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Am I the only one that is completely pissed off by the whole "the lofty, some would say unreasonable, expectations of Bama fans" bit that keeps getting thrown around?  Give me a break.  We're not talking about the Akron Zips here, this is Alabama!  Programs like Bama, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Michigan, Texas, and etc., that have a long and proud tradition of winning should NEVER be excoriated for expecting their coaching hires to produce consistently.  Yeah, Bear Bryant is dead!  I know!  There's no way to forget SINCE IT'S THROWN AT US BY EVERY IDIOT THAT COMES ALONG!  But just because he's dead doesn't mean that Alabama died with him!  Alabama was a proud and powerful program before him, and if I'm not mistaken there's a statue of Gene Stallings outside Bryant-Denny, and last I checked GENE STALLINGS COACHED AFTER BRYANT'S DEATH!  Don't tell me that we should be settling for mediocrity!  That's fine for you bums, but this is Alabama!  Shut UP!

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Tired of the same stuff here.  It's not a Bryant thing.  It's just having standards.

by Steve Dave on Nov 27, 2006 10:11 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Odd that you didn't hear...
...comments of the "Rockne's dead!" of "Parseghan's dead" variety when ND fired Willingham a couple of years back.

The expectation of excellence is what has produced so many championships, bowl appearances, and bowl wins over the years.

I have so pretty serious issues with the way this was handled. But that it was done? Few if any.

by turnover on Nov 27, 2006 10:27 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Auburn fans and Creamsicle fans...
...would love to forget about Stallings.

Who has a better record...Richt, Dye (at AU), Tuberville (at AU), Stallings, or the Great Pumpkin?  Answer:  Stallings.

Stallings OWNED the SEC West.  5-2 against AU and 6-1 against LSU.

by AirHarper on Nov 27, 2006 10:56 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Note of Truth on Stallings
Remember:  He won a national championship with BILL CURRY'S recruiting class.  Then the Lee Roy Jordans and Paul Bryant Jr.'s of the Alabama Athletic Self-Righteous Elite canned him for not beating Auburn.  Unlike Shula he won consistently while at the Capstone, and did it with more class than ANY coach Bama has EVER had.  Stallings leaves Bama with violations and investigations pending.  So don't EVEN brag about Stallings.

by russellc on Nov 27, 2006 11:11 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're clueless...
...the "impending violations" were about Gene Jelks, who played for Perkins.  The '93 forfeits were because Langham had signed with an agent, and Stallings suspended him when he found out.  None of the later violations (Memphis) were related to Stallings.

Stallings went 30-7 the last three years of his tenure, with HIS recruits...a winning pct equal to his first four years.  He owned Auburn, 5-2.  He was not fired...he resigned.  

If you're going to comment, you should do your homework and bring something to the table.

by AirHarper on Nov 27, 2006 12:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pay attention to article........
Bill Curry was let go....
Stallings won with Bill Curry's recruits....
I never mentioned or implied "Memphis"....
I never said Stallings was fired, duh....
Talk about reading into something and running with it....

by russellc on Nov 27, 2006 12:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unreasonable Expectations
I'll bite.  The team has not yet come off probation (not until February).  Shula took over after spring practice, which meant his first season should be disregarded.  He had all of fall practice to implement his new season, and a 4-9 record is about as good as you can expect under those circumstances.  With scholarship limitations, depth is an issue.  Mix depth problems with injury problems (of which no one can foresee and no one is to blame) and you get a pair of 6-6 seasons.  When he had a senior-laden team and some depth, he wins ten games and the Cotton Bowl.  

He had a 26-23 record over his four seasons, of which 14 of his 23 losses were by one score or less.  Coincidentally, 14 of his 23 losses were to teams ranked in the top 20 at the time of the game.  If you ignore his first season, considering it a loss from the beginning due to how and when he took over, he went 22-14 and has set up this team to really compete in the next couple of seasons.  

The fact that he didn't beat Auburn or LSU or win 9 or 10 games in back-to-back seasons is the reason he was let go, and to some that might seem unreasonable.  It has nothing to do with the Bear, it has everything to do with impatience.  Where is my folly?

by imarealist on Nov 27, 2006 3:18 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We should have beaten...
...Arkansas (had the game won, thrice!) but lost because we played for a field goal with a kicker that had already missed twice.  Tennessee, but lost because we couldn't score from the two yard line.  Mississippi State, but again the offense was unable to move the ball when it mattered most.  Auburn, but again not being able to score in the red zone and indecisiveness in the coaching decisions gave Auburn every ounce of momentum.  It isn't unreasonable to expect a head coach to win games he's supposed to and a few he isn't every now and again.  Shula has shown that not even the gimme wins are gimmes for him.  It's not unreasonable to expect a head coach to be able to get his teams prepared for every game, but the Duke, FIU, and Mississippi State debacles showed his lack of ability to prepare his team and come up with a viable game plan week in and week out.  It's not unreasonable to expect a head coach to make adjustments, if not during a game at least as the season goes on, but Shula proved time and again that he was either unwilling or unable to make any changes in his coaching philosophy.  It is not unreasonable to expect a head coach to realize that certain players (Chris Capps) are unable to do their job on the field and remove them, but Shula insisted on starting Capps against Auburn and gave up two sure scores to the Teagles because of it.  These aren't unreasonable expectations for any head coach anywhere.  The fact that we are 6-6 when we had a very real chance of being 10-2 if only the offense wasn't so miserably terrible isn't unrealistic.  Any decent offensive mind would have been able to go 10-2 with the talent at Alabama, but instead we got stuck with the "three up the middle and a field goal" time and again.  So I don't think our expectations of Shula this season were unreasonable.  

by Todd on Nov 27, 2006 3:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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