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  • All in all, a major disappointing loss for the Crimson Tide. Obviously, LSU had a lot more talent and depth that we did, but nevertheless we led most of the game. We weathered the early storm, led at halftime, led by ten with a quarter left to play, and had a seven point lead with the football, near mid-field, with less than five minutes to play. We had this game won and just suffered a complete meltdown late.
  • LSU is a good team, but they are not great. Their talent is great, but the coaching is very suspect, and they consistently beat themselves with penalties, turnovers, and execution breakdowns. It's really hard to believe these guys are 8-1 and currently the favorite to get to New Orleans, considering Alabama, Auburn, and Florida had them beat before giving them the game late. Though highly ranked, these guys haven't played good football since the South Carolina game, and if they hadn't had three games given to them, they'd be 5-4. These guys have to be massive overachievers in Pythagorean Wins.
  • The Alabama running game was absolutely non-existent. We turned to Lowe, and honestly I think the main reason was simply that we tried to use his speed and elusiveness because the coaching staff saw that whoever had the ball was not going to get any openings whatsoever. It was just very, very frustrating. LSU wouldn't even be playing the run and they shut it down easily.
  • Speaking of the running game, or lack thereof, we obviously have a lot of progress to make. We've got to get much better up front, and the backs have to play a lot better. Some of that, arguably, might not happen until we get in some new recruits. We have some decent backs, but none of them are that great -- sorry -- and the offensive line was just manhandled today. The only lineman we had that held his own today was Andre Smith. The rest spent most of the day as little more than glorified blocking dummies for the LSU defensive line.
  • As much as we struggled up front, though, our wide receivers did pretty well against the LSU secondary. They got open and made some very big plays. The problem was that we struggled up front so much that we could not get the ball down the field like we needed to.
  • Not trying to toot my own horn here, but as I expected, Dorsey played and he was essentially 100 per cent. He moved very well and honestly just showed no ill effects from the knee sprain. As I said earlier in the week, that was just all a bunch of hoopla that had no effect on the game. There really was no legitimate doubt about whether or not he was going to play.
  • Speaking of Dorsey, he was one of five players who went down with an "injury." Glenn Dorsey, Darry Beckwith, Herman Johnson, Matt Flynn, and Andre Smith all went down with "injuries." Not a single one missed more than two plays with their "injury." Sorry, but you're either injured or not. You don't blow out a knee / break a leg and suddenly be fine 49 seconds later. If you're truly hurt, fine, but don't just lay on the field holding up the game every time you scratch up your knees. I don't mean to be insensitive to legitimate injuries, but these are obviously nothing serious. This is football, not an overly dramatic soap opera.
  • Our defense, as a whole, played fairly well. They gave up a lot of yards, but they did generate three turnovers, had two more taken away from the Replay Gods, and overall kept us in this game. Those guys were definitely down on talent, but they played pretty well.
  • Simeon Castille was the one who really killed us late on defense. With a ten point lead, he gives up a long touchdown pass where he was easily beaten by Byrd. And that's the last thing in the world you would want there. If they score, that's fine, but at least make them march down the field and take four-to-six minutes off the clock. The last thing you want to do is allow them to make it a three point game in a mere ten seconds. Castille's blown coverage there was really a major changing point in the game.
  • Kareem Jackson is our best defensive back. Oh sure, when Castille graduates after this season many will talk about how much it will hurt to lose our top corner, but our top cornerback is Kareem Jackson, end of story. And you can see it just from watching game film, he's almost always lined up against the opposing team's primary receiver. Oh, and after Castille was burned by Byrd, guess who was over Byrd the following possession? Kareem Jackson.
  • Going back to the offense for a moment, Wilson has eventually got to get the ball out on hot routes. We protected him fairly well for the most part, but he was hanging onto the football entirely too long, and you can't blame the protection. The truth is that LSU was choosing to blitz big-time, and when they do that you must throw the football quickly. If the opposing team brings heavy pressure, you're going to have to throw it quickly and that's even if you have an NFL Hall of Fame line. Wilson, unfortunately, all too often didn't do that, and it resulted in a lot of negative plays for us. We've got great skill players on the outside, and there is simply no excuse not to get them the football when the opposing team brings so much pressure.
  • Wilson's two turnovers really hurt us. The first was just a terrible decision to throw into double coverage, and the second was just him trying to make a schoolyard play. Both combined to give LSU fourteen easy points, and that was really what doomed us. And unfortunately, it's just a sign that Wilson continues to beat us with dumb turnovers. He did the same thing against Florida State, and that was a major problem on several occasions last year. At some point, that must cease. You can't beat teams like LSU when you are beating yourself with turnovers deep in your own end.
  • The officiating was... gah. I don't think any single team has suffered from officiating more in a game against a particular team than we have against LSU the past four years. We all remember the assault on Keith Brown in the end zone in 2004, the bad officiating in 2005, and yesterday we got two turnovers in the second half in LSU territory, and a first and ten inside the LSU 20 reversed. The initial Arenas interception, I think, was the right call, but I'll never be convinced on the "fumble" or the "incompletion." The only overturned play that went our way all day was the LSU incompletion where the ball clearly hit the ground, and honestly it was a joke that thing was called a completion in the first place. The Caddell catch, in particular, happened right in front of us, and he got it. I didn't get very excited though, and explained that they were just going to review it and call it incomplete anyway. Three minutes later, big shock, it was overturned. If we can just get one of those calls upheld, and at least two of them should have been, we win. Considering the officiating crews have given us the shaft in three of the past four years, I think we're just going to have to come to terms with the fact that if we are to beat these guys, we are going to have to beat the refs too.
  • You talk in football about the "hidden" yards, and chief among those come on special teams. And with that said, punting the football was a major problem for us yesterday. Fitzgerald averaged 33 yards per punt, and LSU responded with a 46 yard average. Long story short, they gained 13 yards every time we swapped punts, and in the aggregate, that's huge. And it wasn't a bad day from Fitzgerald, the harsh truth is that he's just not that good. The punting position is one where we desperately need an upgrade, as it just doesn't look like Fitzgerald is ever going to become even an average punter.
  • All in all, heartbreaking as it was, it's hard to complain too much. We played a better team and really had it won after leading almost all afternoon. We're 6-3, and honestly we have a shot at winning out and finishing up 9-3. If we do that, we probably head to the Cotton Bowl, and it's just a bright outlook all the way around. It hurts now that we've lost five straight to a team we've historically dominated -- make that five straight to two teams we've historically dominating -- but there is nothing we can do about it. Hopefully year two will bring a much different result given all that LSU will lose this off-season and all that we will return.

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Given to us???
how was the game given to us???? We scored the touchdowns....we caused the fumble.  Hell if anything your team should have been able to take advantage of some of our screwups and they weren't able to. You had what 2 or 3 penalties the whole game.  LSU couldn't sneeze without having a penalty called on us but yeah we were given the game.  We played for 60 minutes just like BAMA did.  Why are we No. 2 because we play the whole time the whole 60 minutes and don't give up at any time during the game.

by tigersgeaux on Nov 4, 2007 5:47 PM CST reply actions  

How awesome are you?
Instead of spending your day being happy about beating a rival (well, you guys call us a rival, we call you just another game), you come to the LOSING board and gloat about a bunch of BS that you know, deep down in your heart, your team is lucky and that pure talent - Saban talent - won the game for you yesterday.

Geaux away!

"FAILURE" - When your best just isn't good enough

by BamaReturns07 on Nov 4, 2007 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm freaking awesome that's how awesome I am.
Saban may have recruited some of this team but he did not coach many of the recruits.  Chad Jones that causes the fumble at the end of the game is a Miles recruit not Saban.  I came to the losing boards to read what ya'll had to say about the game.  and I don't have to Geaux away from a public board.

by tigersgeaux on Nov 4, 2007 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Funny little man
BTW, 17 starters were Saban's recruits.

OOOOOOOOOH 1 Miles recruit did something.  He tackled the QB, who lost the football when he rolled over.  WOW!  You win, I am amazed!

"FAILURE" - When your best just isn't good enough

by BamaReturns07 on Nov 4, 2007 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Funny little man....nope funny little woman
Damn right 1 Miles recruit did something.  A freshmen at that.....who not only caused that little fumble that resulted in a touchdown but also sacked your quarterback several times.

17 starters were Saban's recruits but he did not coach them.  Recruited is one thing but coaching them is another.  No matter what you try to say he coached them to a win.

From now on all I read that you type is blah, blah, blah, excuse, excuse, excuse.

come to the dark side and cheer for us during the SEC championship game and the NC game....:)

by tigersgeaux on Nov 4, 2007 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Well...
Sorry there Boudreaux, but when you lead by seven with under five minutes to play and the ball near mid-field, the only way you lose is when you give it away. You guys won when we wiffed on a tackle -- and apparently that ball on fourth and three wasn't even intended for Doucet -- and when Wilson fumbled. You guys didn't cause the fumble, he dropped it on his own by -- just being honest -- being an idiot. And yes you guys scored the touchdown, but that's not saying a whole lot considering you got the ball at the three.

I get the whole "LSU is the greatest thing ever" deal and all -- and yes you guys made a ton of mistakes, as you do every week -- but we were firmly in control of that game until we gave it away. Get your panties in a wad if you want, but that's the truth.

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 4, 2007 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

had to go there
don't understand why you have to resort to being ugly.  I never called you a name....guess I could have called you a gump, but I wouldn't do that.  We were in control of the game until 4 minutes into the second quarter.  Then you guys gained control.  Then I would say control went back and forth in the fourth quarter.  No, your idiot being tackled caused a fumble.  Why is it that you want to downplay what happened?  If one of your players would have caused Flynn to fumble the ball and then you got it on the 4 yard line your stadium would have erupted.  Your defense had the chance to keep us from scoring that touchdown but they didn't.

by tigersgeaux on Nov 4, 2007 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

honestly..
you were trying to be ugly or you wouldn't have come over to read the losing boards and reply to everything an Alabama fan says.  I understand you are trying to stick up for your team or whatever, but why don't you gloat about your victory on an LSU board?  Congrats on the win. Miles is a good coach, but I don't see how you could consider him to be a great coach yet.  A coach has to discipline his team, and a well-disciplined team does not have 13 penalties in one game.  I also understand that he did coach that enormous amount of talent that Saban left for him, but it is a lot easier to coach players with that much potential.  Until I see him show a disciplined team with talent he recruited, I won't be convinced he is a great coach.  We also did kind of give the game away, but LSU was the team that jumped on the opportunities.  So great for you and the rest of the LSU fanbase, but go celebrate with them.

by rolltidempd3 on Nov 4, 2007 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

First off
I have a lot of LSU buddies--more than Alabama friends, actually (my family is nearly all Alabama).  Universally speaking, none of them are sorry trash-talkers.  We texted during the whole game, and  nobody's mad, nobody's flipping out.  I send a "all respect due" text at the end and the calls and texts we traded later were all basically two things:  1) whoosh, we're exhausted and 2) Jacob Hester is awesome.

There's a concept called "honesty"--the ability to look deep inside and admit where there are strengths and failures.  I can honestly say that Bama should have won, given LSU's constant and terrible play (Jacob Hester inexplicably not getting the ball, the frankly IDIOTIC 4th and inches "call" by your Coach which led directly to a touchdown by us, the constant lack of discipline by LSU which led to CONFERENCE HIGH number of penalties).

Conversely, I can also admit that we have NO running game--being nearly negative the whole time--and that without a few amazing catches by DJ and Keith we wouldn't have even been in the game.  We just don't have offense right now (despite our drubbing of Tennessee).

Frankly, we are a rebuilding team in a transition year, coming off years of lackluster underperformance.  AND WE ALMOST BEAT YOU.  There should be no gloat on that--YOU WON BY ONE SCORE, with minutes to spare.  Again, a transition team ranked 14 spots below you almost knocked you off . . . because you were giving the game to us on penalties.

Welcome to you needing to ADMIT that these Tigers are not a legendary team--that doesn't mean you won't win the Championship, or head to Atlanta, but it does mean that you can't sit there and pretend they're just so awesome.  Kentucky showed what could happen (and State showed it to them).  Sloppy play loses games, and y'all are sloppy.

So quit lying to yourself.  It's bad faith.  We admit the strengths and weaknesses of our team, and celebrate them nonetheless.  You're not a bad fan for being honest with yourself.

And jeezy creezy--STOP TROLLING, already!

Never quit. It is the easiest cop-out in the world.

by gorjus on Nov 5, 2007 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice breakdown
As I heard said yesterday/today, I am much happier on our side looking up than on LSU's side, on the way down and needing dumb luck through three games to win.  Miles is not a good coach other than just being lucky, so whatever.

I am excited as we will be a top team once we get another recruiting class or two in. So after the initial dissappointment of having the game won and losing it at the end, I am being optimistic and still probably going to end up better than most expected this year.

Roll Tide!!!

12>2>1

"FAILURE" - When your best just isn't good enough

by BamaReturns07 on Nov 4, 2007 5:48 PM CST reply actions  

Fitzgerald is not a great punter, but...
...your stats are misleading.  When you factor in the return yards, LSU was only about 3 yards better per punt...not 13.  Plus, Fitzgerald had a really good punt downed on the 5.

by AirHarper on Nov 4, 2007 10:43 PM CST reply actions  

Just to clarify...
The raw punting stats are not really misleading. The net numbers are close because Arenas did such a good job returning punts. If you factor out his punt return for a touchdown -- something obviously not of Fitzgerald's doing -- then the advantage is again massive.

Essentially, it's great punt returns on our part that make the net averages look close.

LSU didn't get many return yards, and honestly that is largely due to Fitzgerald. His punts were so short, there was really no room for a return. Obviously, a punt that only goes 29 yards isn't going to generate a lot of return, but then again it's not like it needs to either.

The downed punt, though, was a great punt. It was the only good one he had all day.

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 4, 2007 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm all honesty today
The punts were killing us.  We need a kicker.  29 yards in a game like this--one or lost on defense--doesn't give them the tools they need to fight.
Never quit. It is the easiest cop-out in the world.

by gorjus on Nov 5, 2007 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey tigersgeaux...
First of all- learn to spell y'all.  "Ya'll" is "ya will".  Y'all is "YOU ALL".  Make a note of it!

Also, Y'ALL should horse whip your coach for the trick play and putting your QB in danger...your only QB.  Good for him, he wasn't hurt but what a dumb call.  Miles lack of discipline and control was obvious by the personal fouls and the dumb ass who pulled off his helmet after jumping offsides.

We exposed A LOT of weaknesses on LSU's team.  It'll be interesting to see what Miles will do if Carr retires in Michigan.  Hopefully, he won't wear such a Goober looking cap on the sidelines where ever he ends up.

by UofAin83 on Nov 5, 2007 7:45 AM CST reply actions  

Another good point
The two huge, not-ready-for-primetime errors:
  1. The trick play with Flynn as receiver.  It worked, but why do it?  As '83 says, you made him eligible for getting smeared.  Why do that so early in the game when the offense was working well?  Maybe it was a momentum thing, but it was shocker, unless Baton Rouge just loves Jason Lee.
  2.  The 4th and Inches is the worst call I've EVER seen.  Why do that?  Jacob Hester proved over and over with Florida that he can mash people for yards.  Why give that up?  Why try to "trick" us into giving you the first down?  Pathetic, and led directly to us getting a TD.
Seriously:  you can quibble with #1, but every LSU fan in America had to have reacted with horror at the 4th and Inches call.  And . . . thanks to #71, for being a crybaby and yanking his helmet off to protest a call!  
Never quit. It is the easiest cop-out in the world.

by gorjus on Nov 5, 2007 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, there ya go....
I've got the seniors that will be graduating from LSU posted over at memphistider.com, along with John Parker's "habit" of turning the ball over.

I only focused on the fumbles - i didn't get into the interception against Miss St and Florida, etc, just yet.  :-)

- G Money in M-Town

by garymatrixx on Nov 5, 2007 12:09 PM CST reply actions  

My only regret
is that Tuscaloosa will smell like corn dogs for a few days.
Cause bama's pluck and gritt has writ her name in crimson flame.

by pluckandgritt on Nov 5, 2007 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

Sore losers
You guys are unbelievable. Keep telling yourself that you deserved to win the game. I'm sure that's what Saban is telling the team! (Actually, he knows Bama got whipped. It's part of what makes him a great coach - he doesn't see the world through, in this case, crimson-colored shades.)

It takes a lot of gall to complain about the officiating after a game in which your team had 2 penalties and the other team had 14. Or was that just the result of great coaching by Saban or great playing by the Bammers?

The only reversal that was at all questionable was the Caddell play.

Oh, and I'm not a regular on this board, but in the name of logical consistency, I'm sure you noted that Arkansas "gave" that game to Alabama.

by bamablows on Nov 5, 2007 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

Caddell Catch??
I don't know, guys. What do you think? Check out picture number 23 at http://www.annistonstar.com/slideshow/alabamafootball110307/ If the guy was wearing a different team's uniform, would we consider this a catch?

by dke63 on Nov 8, 2007 10:01 AM CST reply actions  

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