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Perhaps it is easy to insulate yourself in an environment where you can put 92,000+ fans in the stadium for a scrimmage, but when you look around the SEC a lot of schools are having trouble filling their stadiums.

Arkansas recently played Florida International in Fayetteville for homecoming. It was a snoozer game to be sure, but nevertheless attendance was very poor. "Official" attendance was listed at 60,750, but several called BS on that one. Most independent reports, however, only have attendance at around 50,000, and some had it below that. Obviously, getting only approximately 50,000 people in a stadium that holds 72,000 is a major disappointment. The following is a picture of the stadium shortly before kick-off:

Ole Miss, too, is struggling greatly to sell tickets. Last week against Northwestern State, the Ole Miss ticket office sold 20,000 tickets to the game for $5 each. There weren't many takers. Tickets were, according to reports, being given away on the Grove for free -- though there weren't many takers for those, either -- and "official" attendance was listed as only around 25,000 people despite the fact that Vaught-Hemingway, which was foolishly expanded in 2002, holds 62,000 fans. The Clarion-Ledger, and other outlets, actually had attendance estimates below that. The following is a picture of Vaught-Hemingway Stadium during the game this past weekend:

For the Rebels, things do not seem to be getting any better. Rival LSU is coming to town next week, and ticket sales are not picking up despite the rivalry and the fact that LSU is one of the country's top teams. Fortunately for the Rebels many LSU fans will come in and eat up most, if not all, of the extra tickets, but the point remains: they can't even sell tickets to their own fans when a highly-ranked rival is coming to town.

And it's not just the conference's smaller programs, either.

Tennessee's Neyland Stadium holds well over 100,000 people. Yet for last week's homecoming game against Louisiana-Lafayette, "official" attendance listed only barely 96,000 people there, and many estimated that there was somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 empty seats. And even though Tennessee currently controls its own destiny in the SEC East and has a key game this weekend against a suddenly hot Arkansas team, they still can't sell out. The UT ticket office announced on Monday that they would sell tickets to the public for face value for the Arkansas game, saying that the tickets were returned tickets from Arkansas and from UT students. Now answer me this: Exactly what in the hell is going on when you can't even sell student tickets when your team is playing at home for a shot to Atlanta against a team that sports the best individual player in the country?

Auburn, too, has struggled to fill the stadium. Even the season opener against a solid out-of-conference opponent (Kansas State) did not sell out. Over 1,000 seats went unfilled for the Wildcats. The following week, there were 5,000 empty seats for South Florida, another 5,000 for Vandy, and 2,000 more for Tennessee Tech. The Iron Bowl is really the only guaranteed sell-out on the slate.

Though fortunately we're not feeling the effects in Tuscaloosa, it seems that a lot of fellow SEC teams are finding it difficult to fill their stadiums.

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I don't know if it was really all that foolish for Ole Miss to expand in '02. They were in the middle of the Cutcliff/Eli mania, and things looked good for the Rebels. It's just that they pulled the trigger on firing their coach too soon, and ended up with a crazyman who isn't supported by most of the fan's as far as i can tell.

My wifes uncle who lives in Oxford, is concerned about real estate values going down, because of the awful football team, that's how serious things are there. And still he's going to get another year. It's amazing really, Cut has one bad year, and is let go, O has been nothing but terrible, and will probably stay.

I'm in no condition to drive...wait! I shouldn't listen to myself, I'm drunk.

by That Other Dave on Nov 7, 2007 5:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bad idea...
I don't think it was a good idea to expand. Expansions are concrete projects that are only a good idea if you can consistently fill the expanded area to capacity -- at a relatively high ticket price -- in the long-term. Just because you were able to fill it for a year or two, as was the case, doesn't mean you should have done it. Of course it may change in the future, but at the moment the Rebels have to be regretting the hell out of that. They are a small program in terms of funds anyway, and it's got to be extremely tough on them having spent so much money on that thing to be getting so little money in return (i.e. ticket revenue).

As for the local economy, I don't doubt it. It's insane, but college football has a massive impact on the economy of these college towns, particularly one as small as Oxford. Just look at 'Bama, there has easily been tens of millions of dollars spent in real estate construction just for gameday condos alone. It's just a whopping impact. If the team suffers, so does the town.

As for 2008 with Orgeron, it's crazy to think he's getting another year, but it's not like they have another viable alternative to turn to. They hired him and now they have to deal with him, for better or for worse. If they could have really hired a legitimate candidate, they would have done so instead of hiring a defensive line coach from USC. And it's going to be harder to hire now, considering they are coming off of four straight losing seasons, whereas when O was hired they were just one year removed from a ten win season.

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 7, 2007 6:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know
the last time Bama's attendance was below 85,000?  I don't...I'm just curious.

by SugarBowl93 on Nov 7, 2007 5:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well...
Attendance was always below 85,000 until 2006. At that time, Bryant-Denny only held 83,818, so that would qualify. And of course prior to 1998, Bryant-Denny only held around 70,000 or so.

Honestly though, thankfully, we've always had great attendance even in the bad years. In 2000, for example, we even had 83,818 for the UCF game that year. The Auburn game in 2000 brought over 85,000 people, which despite being a 3-7 team was a couple thousand over capacity.

There have been some games were we'd be a thousand or two thousand shy of capacity, but 'Bama games have always been attended quite well. Every Alabama game since Tide Pride came into being in 1987 has been a sell-out, and that streak isn't going to change. We've been very fortunate in that sense. We're one of the few schools around that haven't had major problems with attendance in the down years.

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 7, 2007 7:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was at...
...the Auburn/South Florida game in the student section.  You could see there was probably more than 5,000 empty seats there.  At the end of the first quarter people were leaving!!  By halftime hundreds of students had already left and that is when more started leaving.  It was a great game from a college football fan's standpoint.  Why would you want to leave?  

by BigCountry85 on Nov 7, 2007 6:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Autzen
Out here in Oregon, we expanded Autzen Stadium five years ago and have sold out every game since (even for games against teams like Portland State, Montana, and Idaho).  Frankly, Duck fans probably take for granted that there are solid programs around the country that don't sell out every single game.  It is a tribute to fanbases like Alabama, Oregon, etc. that they can fill their stadiums on a weekly basis because it is certainly not the case for most schools around the country.

GO DUCKS!

by oregon4life on Nov 7, 2007 8:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cool stuff
For one, it's cool to see an Oregon fan reading a 'Bama blog.

As for the attendance of your Ducks, it has been pretty good, no doubt about that. And that's really saying something, because the Pac-10 definitely has a lot of teams that struggle to fill already small stadiums. Autzen, though, stays packed from all I can tell, and apparently it's a good gameday atmosphere.

Also, just so you know, the place looked very, very good the couple of times it has been shown on Gameday this year. It's not all that big, but it looks very good.

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 8, 2007 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ole Miss
The attendance for the NW State game was pegged around 23k.  This really points out how few hardcore fans Ole Miss has.  By contrast, during the past 7 season MSU has never had less than 38k at a game even though it was the worst stretch in the history of State.  It must be mentioned however, State never played a no-name team so late in the season.

by hailstate on Nov 8, 2007 12:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ole Miss...
The situation in Oxford is just really dire, and that's all there is to it.

And honestly, I th ink it's the historical struggles that are killing them. For whatever reason, those people think they are the greatest thing in the world, and Ole Miss football hasn't even been particularly competitive -- sans 2003 -- for years and years. Even the "better" days under Tuberville and Cutcliffe were basically nothing better than mediocre-at-best. Seriously, even in those years they were essentially beaten by every good team they played, and lost some upsets to some bad teams (Vanderbilt and Memphis, for example).

Honestly, aside from '03, the last truly good Ole Miss team was probably the 10-2 team that Kinard had in his first year taking over for Vaught in 1972. Billy Brewer had a couple of pretty good teams, but they were nothing great and of course they were later hammered by the NCAA for things that occurred in that era.

MSU hasn't been great, mind you, but at least they've had a couple of decent teams that have made it to Atlanta. Ole Miss is the only team in the SEC West to have never made Atlanta, and what's worse they've really only even gotten remotely close one time (2003). The funny part is how they think they are so superior to MSU when in reality that rivalry has been essentially completely even for the past two decades. In the last 16 games against the Dawgs, they are only 8-8.

The Rebs are just legends only in their own minds, and the harsh truth is that it is a very small program with a limited budget, a very small fan base, essentially no winning tradition outside of the Vaught era, and a program with a bleak looking future ahead.

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 8, 2007 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow..
I never realized how big of a problem Ole Miss was having until I read this.  They never should have fired Cutcliff.. who I just learned last week is related to me, third cousins or something.  But anyway, I am glad to know that Alabama will never have problem with filling the seats.

by rolltidempd3 on Nov 8, 2007 5:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ole miss
I think its really sad that they don't have more support then this.  I feel bad for the boys out there on the field putting so much time and energy into training and they get nothing for their efforts in return.

by tigersgeaux on Nov 9, 2007 10:37 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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