Is Auburn more dangerous now?
Lets be honest about something here. There were 2 scenarios Alabama fans did NOT want to see happen: 1) Auburn somehow, someway clicking with Tony Franklin's spread, 2) Tuberville coming to his senses and returning to the traditional power offense. So now the second scenario has come true and a question begs to be asked, are they more dangerous now? I know there has been some discussion of running some spread stuff but lets be honest here, Auburn is going to look alot more like the 1st quarter of the Vandy game. Looking at it objectively, this was a top 10 team and picked to win the west. Now its true that there was some assumption that the spread woudn't be this bad, and Auburn would have a decent offense and be able to put up a fair amount of points with it, at leats enough for the defense to win the game. But given the fact that the defense has been as good as advertised so far, is the fact that they are going back to power football a cause for concern? A week ago you couldn't find an Alabama fan who didn't think with some certainty we were ending the streak this year. What about now? Is Auburn all the sudden a wild card?
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Nope...
…the spread failed because they didn’t run it and wouldn’t let Franklin do the kind of things that have worked so well for him in the past. The fact that the crew that is in charge of the offense now are the same guys that had Bobby Lowder on a plane to Louisville should tell you something about how well they know how to coach an offense.
by Todd on
Oct 10, 2008 11:04 AM CDT
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Jetgate
was primarily a function of unrealistic preseason expectations and lop-sided losses to LSU and UGA. Auburn only scored 7 points in each of those games. You can also throw in the dropped pass in the end zone against Ole Miss. AU’s offense did manage to put up points against some lesser teams (putting up 45 against both MSU and Vandy and 73 against LA-Monroe), something this years team has not been able to do. They also put up 28 against both Bama and UT. But jetgate occured before the Iron Bowl and of course we all know that story. Tuby wins and saved his job. I guess that brings me to my point – could we be seing a similar scenario? Tuby must beat Bama to save his job?
by Bens4vcobra on
Oct 10, 2008 2:18 PM CDT
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tubbs is not...
returning to the power offense. He has said in numerous interviews that they are sticking with the spread.
As a Bama fan, I have never worried about Auburn clicking with the spread or them returning to the power offense. And as far as I have seen their defense is vastly overrated and I guess that is because nothing else is clicking on their team so people must say, “Well their defense is force.”
I don’t think that the Iron Bowl is in the bucket by a long shot. But I do believe that our chances of winning have certainly improved.
by brandonh on
Oct 10, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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Better
I am more worried about them now than before. They couldn’t get any worse. I have never understood why Todd played over Burns, ; he looks to have a middle school arm and no running ability. I expect to see Burns eventually get all of the playing time and the offense to improve. As for the defense, I think they are as good as anybody in the conference.
by JTMagnum on
Oct 10, 2008 12:15 PM CDT
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will improve but it will be a one dimentional offense. The problem they have is the fact that there skill players suck. They are just not that good. Our current strengths match up very well to the barners. As long as we keep there defense from scoring we should win that game. If we don’t…….I may kill a few of them as i work my way out of the stadium.
Auburn fans are like slinkys... not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
by IHC800 on
Oct 10, 2008 12:56 PM CDT
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You have to remember
there is a nearly 400 pound answer to the power running game directly over center.
by Nose Guard on
Oct 10, 2008 11:40 AM CDT
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Bring it on
Cody is hungry. … He LOVES tiger meat.
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by BamaFrazier on
Oct 10, 2008 12:18 PM CDT
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A few thoughts...
First and foremost, I do think you have to keep in mind that Auburn was by no means running Franklin’s offense. The mere fact that Tuberville and company were willing to fire Franklin mid-week right in the middle of preparations for a must-win game for them — and a game that portends a degree of vendetta, too — then that should tell you that Franklin was really nothing more than a figurehead at best.
From here, without Franklin, Auburn will probably run something a bit more traditional, and it might be slightly better, but there is absolutely no reason to think it will be anything particularly good. Auburn is nowhere near as good on the offensive line as they once were, they don’t have the same caliber of tailbacks, the wide receivers are just about all below average, and they have no proven passer at quarterback. When you put all of those things together you just aren’t going to score many points, regardless of who is OC or who is calling plays.
As I’ve said on the RBR Radio Hour, it should be noted that Auburn couldn’t score any points using the traditional scheme in 2006 or 2007. Again, that is why Borges was fired in the first place. If Auburn could have really been able to produce points in the traditional sense, Al Borges would still be the offensive coordinator on the Plains and he’d have a big, fat contract extension by now; Tony Franklin would still be at Troy.
To make things perfectly clear, I don’t think things will really get any worse for Auburn in terms of offensive production — seriously, how could they legitimately get any worse? — and things may slightly improve. However, again, they have an average-at-best offensive line, below average quarterbacks, below average receivers, and slightly above average tailbacks. When you put all of that together, combined with all of the great defenses you see in this league, you are struggle greatly to put points on the board regardless of who is your OC, what the scheme is, and who happens to be calling plays.
by outsidethesidelines on
Oct 10, 2008 2:21 PM CDT
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your opinion, knowing what you do, if Alabama happens to embarrass Auburn (something in the ballpark of 38-10) does Tuberville survive that?
by Bens4vcobra on
Oct 10, 2008 2:27 PM CDT
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OTS is the man
but let me give my two cents. If Auburn loses half the games left on his schedule, and one of those is to Alabama, I don’t see him surviving.
"With a female-IHOP, With the guys-Waffle House. With a female your pulling Wingman on-Taco Bell" ~ Comer4tide, on his favorite place to eat at 3 AM
by BamaReturns07 on
Oct 10, 2008 3:16 PM CDT
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I
say they give him one more year to turn it around. I bet they make him clean house (for real this time) on the offensive staff and bring in these 2009 recruits and see what happens.
by Bens4vcobra on
Oct 10, 2008 3:44 PM CDT
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A few more thoughts...
First and foremost, I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on Auburn football and the situations that they may face, so I cannot say anything in any definitive manner. However, a few thoughts:
From an analytical perspective, I think it would be almost impossible for anyone to objectively determine what would happen with the Auburn coaching situation from the outside. It’s just such an odious situation with its history. Everyone knows Lowder and company tried to fire him in 2003, then came ‘04 and the massive buyout… but of course everyone knows there is still bad blood galore down there, and clearly Tuberville has been interested, at the very least, in other jobs the past year or two. As odd as this situation is, I don’t know if you could ever even predict anything with even the smallest degree of accuracy. It’s basically a crapshoot.
Now, moving on, if the bottom does fall out on Auburn, I could see there being some movement there, depending on how things go. I think you have to say that, unless things change, they will at least lose to Alabama and Georgia, so that would put them, at best, at 8-4 and probably playing in the Liberty or Music City Bowl. However, unless the offense really starts to show some life, I could see a slip-up against someone like WVU or Ole Miss, so I wouldn’t be overly shocked if we saw something like 7-5. Now, if they end up 7-5 and we beat them pretty good, I could very well see some movement. I’m not sure that Tuberville would be fired, per se, but I could see them working out a situation with the buyout to where Auburn waives it and allows Tuberville to take another job.
If all of the aforementioned happens, I do think that would be a legitimate possibility. Of course, possibility does not mean guarantee, or even probability, so Tuberville may very well be back next year. I would, actually, think that would be the case, but again I do think it could go the other way too.
One thing, however, is crystal clear: Tuberville has got to reverse things quickly or his time will be drawing near. I know the Auburn people cannot get enough of six straight, but it’s obvious that the two programs are heading in divergent directions. Last year saw a solid 8-4 campaign by Auburn, but it was the worst season since 2003, and this year is likely to be no better and perhaps worse. Moving beyond this year, as exciting as the start has been for Alabama, it’s only the beginning for the Tide, and with the struggles Auburn has had the past couple of years on the recruiting trails, they’ve got some struggles looming just from a talent and depth perspective. It was 8-4 last year, likely 8-4 at best this year, and frankly the future years do not look any more promising.
Bottom line, Tuberville has to do something to reverse this trend, or his time is drawing near. Now I don’t know when that means, or how it will all work out, but the end result, I feel, is pretty clear.
Finally, as for a blowout in the Iron Bowl, don’t bank on it. The Iron Bowl is probably the most physically punishing game played in all of college football, and those guys on both sides go all-out. Even when you have one great team and one bad team, it’s a close game. Our 1992 national championship team, for example, went into halftime tied 0-0 with an Auburn team that didn’t even make a bowl; their undefeated 2004 team was trailing our 6-6 Mike Shula team in the third quarter. Again, no matter how good we are or how bad Auburn is, you can almost bet the farm it will be a close game. Truthfully, in the post-Bryant era, there has really only been about one legitimate blowout in this series (2001), and frankly I don’t expect to see that change this year. I imagine it will be another extremely hard-fought game that goes down to the end.
by outsidethesidelines on
Oct 10, 2008 3:56 PM CDT
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am definitely in agreement with your logic on the Iron Bowl, but I do think a blowout is more possible this year than most years in the post-Bryant era. The ‘92 team rode its defense that year and didn’t really blow anybody out. And given the trend of Alabama jumping on opponents early and couple that with Auburn’s mental health as a team and 6 years of built up frustration in front of a home croud salivating for an emotion release, it could get ugly…
by Bens4vcobra on
Oct 10, 2008 5:13 PM CDT
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I agree
I think if we go up on them Saban will green light to pour on the gas. If you want to dominate an opponent 365 and especially your top enemy on the recruiting trail, it could get VERY ugly. And I will laugh and sing Rammer Jammer into the wee small hours…
by Nose Guard on
Oct 10, 2008 7:42 PM CDT
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If we are healthy...
…Bama wins.
by NiceLittleSaturday on
Oct 10, 2008 10:42 PM CDT
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I will say, after the
shit-pie they served up against the Hogs, that -umm- they are the third LEAST dangerous team left on the scheddie: In order of difficulty
1. LSU (but, hey, look what the Gators are doing!)
2. Ole Miss (scary game)
3. UT/AU (both suck, but both are rivals)
5. MSU (vandy got, well, Vandy’d today…doesn’t mean MSU is worth a shit)
6. ULL (Sun Belt? NoooooooOO
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O!!O)
by Stuck in the Plains on
Oct 11, 2008 8:32 PM CDT
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I agree...
Things can change, and you do have to consider the rivalry factor, but right now I think you can objectively say that Ole Miss is better than either Tennessee or Auburn.
LSU is clearly the best of the bunch, and frankly we’d have to lay an egg to lose to either MSU or Arkansas State. Both should be wins, barring meltdowns in our own right.
by outsidethesidelines on
Oct 11, 2008 8:46 PM CDT
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Well
After this loss to Arky…..the question is how long will tubby last at AU?
Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out alive.
by bammer on
Oct 12, 2008 7:07 AM CDT
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So...
Does anyone still think Auburn is more dangerous now?
by outsidethesidelines on
Oct 12, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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Nope
I thought that by just running the ball they would improve. WRONG, I read somewhere that they are on record to score the fewest pts in there history, or SECs can’t remember.
Auburn fans are like slinkys... not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
by IHC800 on
Oct 12, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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Wow
so running the Tony Franklin system without Tony Franklin wasn’t a good idea afterall, who would’ve guessed that?
by Bens4vcobra on
Oct 13, 2008 5:42 AM CDT
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