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The fall of the SEC and the rise of the Tide

ed.- bumped from the fanposts.

Saturday night I was posting in the RBR GameDay Open Thread and as the Tide started putting away Croom and his minions attention began to turn to the growing possibility of a brutal upset in Baton Rouge.

A number of folks thought the possibility of the Bayou Bengals going down to such a lesser opponent was a delightful possibility. Posters like Gerry Dorsey seem to feel that Alabama holds its own destiny in the coming games and the fates of our enemies is not our problem. Thus we can unleash the hounds of schadenfreude with impunity.

This is a pretty good point but I’m not in complete agreement. In fact I felt the contest in Death Valley was an immensely bad omen and some of the observations around the college football blogosphere seem to bear my concern out…

Yesterday, over at EDSBS, the esteemed Orson Swindle examined the aftermath and proclaimed it "further proof, too, that the snarling SEC of 2007 that went 7-2 in bowl games is short a few thousand megawatts of power this year." And it’s not just his usual eloquent bluster, it’s a solid point.

The deeper problem is pointed out by Georgia partisan Hey Jenny Slater:

Yet the fact remains that LSU is probably still the fourth-best team in the conference, which leads to another unpleasant admission: The SEC just isn't that good this year. Probably the second-best league in D-IA, but well behind the Big 12, in terms of both the number of elite teams and the depth behind them.

That’s seems correct and  T Kyle King takes it the next logical step and uses that assessment to create Dawg Sport's offering for this week’s S.E.C Power Poll.

There’s a good-sized gap separating the top two teams from the third-best team, and at least that large a chasm separates the third- and fourth-best teams. Below that, there’s a jumbled muddle ranging from the merely mediocre to the truly bad, particularly on offense. It pains me to say that this is how the Southeastern Conference stacks up right now.

The big boy on the block this year seems to be the Big 12 and that perception is evidenced by the elevation of that conference’s no-loss doyenne into the stratosphere of the polls. The vaunted blogpoll even has Texas Tech at the top spot and I have a hard time arguing they don’t deserve to be there.

So why do we care?I think all this is worth considering this as we try to realistically assess what is happening in this most delightful of years for our beloved Crimson Tide.

There a lot of very good reasons this team has come this far that I’m overjoyed to see - freshmen stepping up, solid play from the running game, an elite defense coming together – but I can’t say I feel the assessments of this team during preseason are that far off either.

Phil Steele, to cite just one example, based part of his pre-season assessment of Alabama’s chances in light of the schedule – particular in terms of our most hated rival.

Alabama, every other year, plays a tougher schedule — Alabama and Auburn's schedules switch. So Alabama plays the tougher of the schedules this year, they have to play teams like Georgia, Tennessee, LSU all on the road.

But LSU struggled, Georgia sputtered and Tennessee collapsed completely. Auburn – a team Steele considered a darkhorse MNC contender, let’s just say, and isn’t having a year it’s likely to want to repeat any time soon.

So as the ill winds have blown through the SEC they’ve been particularly vengeful on the West and it’s mighty fortuitous that our house is the one built of bricks. As wonderful as the season has been and as powerful as we have appeared at points it’s difficult to look at this team and say it’s at the acme of its potential.

I felt at the start of the season that we would win 8 or nine games and garner a slot at a nice bowl. That we have been undefeated and locked up the SEC West has me ecstatic beyond belief. There is one thing and one thing only I ask of this team explicitly – beat the beejesus out of Auburn. Everything else, is just cream.

Ironically, that actually makes us even more dangerous down the stretch. As Pete Holliday pointed out last week on AOL Fanhouse:

What you're seeing from the Crimson Tide this season is the clearest possible demonstration of the difference between a Nick Saban team and a DuBose team, a Franchione team, or a Shula team. Those Alabama teams folded like a house of cards upon even the slightest momentum shift. Alabama has been given ample opportunity to pack it up and quit, but they haven't.

That dovetails nicely with his assessment in Todd's excellent pre-season magazine "Yea Alabama" that this year’s team is a work in progress but one with a clear goal in mind.

There can be no doubt… Alabama is in a better position today, looking forward, than it has been in the past 10 years. The oft-maligned head coach is as known for brining in quality athletes, training them well, and putting together a solid cohesive team as he is for being short and vague with reporters.

This is still the truth. I’m less interested in Saban hoisting a crystal ball in January than I am in his creation of a crimson clad machine of football playing mutants who devour anything and everything in their path. Season in. Season out.

We still have problems with depth and consistency of play. Our offense is serviceable at best and our defense has a strange tendency to ease up at inopportune times. But these are clearly points Saban has identified and is working to address.

As I said earlier this week... It’s all part of the plan, man. It’s all part of the plan.

So, not matter what happens from here on out, it should be remembered that the REAL legacy of the 2008 season is that this is the first taste of what this team can do and it’s as delicious as I have dreamed but it’s just the beginning – and if you didn’t take advantage of us this year, I’ll promise you, you won’t have another chance quite as good for quite some time.

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great post...

RBR's KING of HIP-HOP...

by SpockJenkins on Nov 18, 2008 9:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I don’t know about a National Title this year, or our QB and offensive line situation next year, but the future is bright.

by Bobby Briggs on Nov 18, 2008 10:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not to toot my own horn but...

ive been saying this for a while.

When you are an Alabama fan you have to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because i want to.

by bammer on Nov 18, 2008 10:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2008/9/16/615435/the-sec

When you are an Alabama fan you have to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because i want to.

by bammer on Nov 18, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

toot away, my friend...

…because it’s the context of your posts that prompted mine (i actually went looking for that post when penning this but couldn’t find it). what struck me this week is how this observation has become the general consensus. which is fine. but the concern i have is how a mis-perception of the situation is creating a warped view of this team and what it’s accomplished.

by kleph on Nov 18, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Expectations almost always bring disappoitment!

The problem with that statement is that the SEC has indeed been the most dominate conference for at least 5 years running, if not more. So why not think this year also? Who could have predicted that UT would be this bad, that AU would have all the troubles they have been having and that LSU would take such a large step back? The only one that could have been predicted would have been LSU and the only reason for that would be due to their QB situation. The SEC is having a down year and thats ok. Its going to happen everyone now and then. But why complain, barring some crazy upset, there will still be an SEC team winning the NC game with year! (crossing my fingers, crossing my fingers)

Expectations is what i fear with the Alabama fanbase. Next year, will we understand if this team takes a step back due to the QB situation? Will we have patience and continue with believing in the process? Or will we be the fans of the past that can’t handle a team losing a couple of games? This year is amazing and even Saban has been surprised with the way this team as performed. I mean for christ sakes! I go away for three days and i come back and what do i see? Two post talking strictly about next year! I know this is an off week but come on! IDK….I just worry that this fanbase will start to “expect” NC games and SEC championships every year and when we don’t make it, hell will be raised….

But yes…the SEC is having a down year.

When you are an Alabama fan you have to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because i want to.

by bammer on Nov 18, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Next Year

Great point bammer. I get a little tired of the talk about next year. I am just enjoying this season immensely, and will really enjoy the 29th when we kick Auburn’s ass.

Sit back and enjoy the awesomeness of this year. I do think Alabama fans will be able to stay patient in the years to come. You will surely see some segments of the fanbase go up in arms when things do not go exactly as planned. This is common to all fanbases (see UGA 08 and LSU 08). One team was the preseason number 1, and still has a good shot at finishing 11-2. You would never know it from listening to their fanbase. The other team just won a BCS championship last year, and is starting their 3rd string QB, coming into spring practice, and yet they are complaining over the poor QB play. You would think both seasons have been a disaster, because of the preseason hype.

I cannot wait the Iron Bowl, and number 7 (5-7 for Auburn)!

by Kenny483 on Nov 18, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am sort of divided on this. There was a very good post on And the Valley Shook yesterday looking at the response of the LSU faithful to the win over Troy last Saturday. While much of it is calling out the Tiger faithful for a) leaving early and b) booing the team toward the end, there was a "let’s put this year in perspective" observation as well.

And yes, this is one of the better seasons in LSU history. It’s not going to be our best season, but most seasons at LSU have not been quite this good. Since 1936 (since the AP poll was started), we have finished the season unranked in the AP more often than we’ve finished it ranked. Since 1950, when the Coaches’ Poll was started, we’ve finished unranked more often than we’ve finished ranked.

My feeling is we want Alabama to be a program that does expect double digit wins each year and has a realistic chance at playing in the SEC title game. For too long we’ve been so desperate for success we’ve clutched anything that seemed even like it. But, as ATVS points out, the other side of that coin are the evils of inflated expectations. As fans, that’s our responsibility to keep in check, we can feel confident that Saban will take care of the process of building a beast of a team to exceed them.

by kleph on Nov 18, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

all expectations are mostly good for...

…is getting head coaches fired…“goals” on the other hand are a different breed…

"That's the paradox of success. The moment you stop to enjoy it, you are in trouble. You have to keep moving forward. It's not what you have done that's important. It's where you are going."
— Alabama coach Nick Saban

by DJackson on Nov 19, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly my friend, exactly...

When you are an Alabama fan you have to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because i want to.

by bammer on Nov 19, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

This season will be remembered for what happens over the next few seasons. The thing that should really scare the rest of the SEC is that this will be probably the least talented team Alabama will field in awhile. I am not saying this will be the worst team that we will produce over the next few seasons, because I do not remotely believe that. It is amazing the confidence and togetherness that this team displays.

There are a total of NINE seniors on the entire two deep roster. Some of these guys do not even see significant playing time. We have played the second most freshmen out of any team in the country. I know these are all points that we have made before, but it is simply amazing to think about.

I am with everyone else. Let’s beat the hell out of Auburn; I am taking the over in that game!

by Kenny483 on Nov 18, 2008 10:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

This:

“There is one thing and one thing only I ask of this team explicitly – beat the beejesus out of Auburn. Everything else, is just cream.”

was my favorite part. I completely agree with the spirit of this post. I’m unbearably sad this season is almost over, and I don’t want to think about anything other than handing Auburn’s ass to them next weekend. I’m enjoying the hell out of this year. It’s been a long, cold winter of Alabama fandom the last few years, so I, for one, am going to relish this awesome season as long as it lasts.

by Queen of the Universe on Nov 18, 2008 11:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not convinced...

…that this is such a down year for the SEC. 5 teams are up, 6 teams are down, and I still can’t tell about UGA. They have only lost to the #1 and #4 teams in the BCS and were seriously wounded (physically and psychologically) by the beating we put on them.

It looks like the conference may be a little down, but I’ll hold my opinion until after the bowls…especially those that may match the SEC and Big 12. Right now, I’m taking your advice and soaking up this season…and focusing on beating the boogs. RMFTR.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 18, 2008 11:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The SEC is down

but it’s far from a terrible conference. If we had to play through a conference schedule again at this point the only conference I would be more afraid of is the big 12. And lets not forget that while the SEC may be down this year, Alabama looks in good shape to run through the regular season unbeaten which is something that none of the recent SEC national championship teams have done. And with 3 different teams that all consider us to be their main rival, that’s not a small feat.

We have 2 teams ranked in the top 5 (Alabama & Florida). Georgia is a pretty solid team. They’ve been hit pretty hard with injuries and have had a couple of bad games, but still solid. LSU is a pretty good team, but they have a huge consistency problem and terrible QB play. Ole Miss is a solid team. They beat Florida and a couple of their losses were very close ones against great teams. Kentucky could have been a quality team, but they were hurt by a ridiculous number of injuries.

What’s really hurting the perception of our league is Tennessee and Auburn. But other conferences have their versions of Tennessee and Auburn. Look at the Big 10. Michigan is having its worst season ever. Even though Notre Dame is an independent, they are rivals and play against Big 10 teams. Notre Dame is still terrible (though improved from last year). The Pac 10 has two of the worst teams in football. UCLA is terrible. Oregon State is poised to win the conference and is 7-3 with a loss to Stanford and a 31 point beat down by Penn State.

The ACC might average out to be the best conference, but they don’t have any dominant teams.

by Zoltar on Nov 18, 2008 11:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cause and Effect

This is a great post about something that is very relevant, and that basically asks the question “is Bama good this year because everyone else is down?”

But the more relevant question might actually be “is everyone else down because Bama is good?”

If you look at Bama’s dominance through SEC history, it has always come during periods where the rest of the conference is weak (e.g. 60’s and 70’s), but the periods of SEC conference dominance come when Bama is weak (e.g ‘50s, mid to late ’80s, and certainly the ’00s). As much as I love to promote SEC pride and dominance, the reality is that our rivals are so pre-occupied with beating Bama, that they fall in disarray when they can’t.

It takes both hands to count how many coaches were cycled through LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, and a lesser extend Miss St precisely because they could not beat Alabama during the 70’s. Dooley stuck around at Georgia by the skin of his teeth (pre-Herschel) simply because he did not have to play us every year, and when he did (‘76) it was our one down year in the ’70’s. I know that was a long time ago, but Fulmer bought himself additional years at Tennessee by getting us on probation.

Sure, let the pundits belittle this team’s accomplishments, because it sets us up very well for the SECG, but don’t overlook the fact that it has ALWAYS been about beating Bama for Tennessee, Auburn, and LSU. Maybe I drank too much kool-aid, but I really think Saban’s dominant recruiting class at a program that knows how to dominate has been a big factor in bringing about the disarray at our rival programs.

At then end of the day, the rest of the SEC will look weak when we pound on them, and that’s just fine with me. It’s part of The Process.

"We will empty your stadium before the 4th Quarter"

by StarStarr on Nov 18, 2008 11:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I should note for anyone checking my math, that the ’70s ended precisely on January 26, 1983.

"We will empty your stadium before the 4th Quarter"

by StarStarr on Nov 18, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True dat...

…but we’ve gone a little retro this year, don’t you think?

by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 18, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Alabama fan, not SEC fan

Southern pride and the fact that strength of schedule plays into the BCS rankings compels many to root for our opponents when they’re not playing us. As I’ve said before, I root for what is best for Alabama regardless of my personal feelings for that team. Beyond that, I don’t give a crap about the rest of the sec or which conference is considered ‘the best’. Our so-called SEC bretheren sure have gotten a big kick out of kicking us when we were down and didn’t mind telling us about it. We have been ‘living in the past’, become ‘irrelevant’ and ‘no one in their right mind would want to coach there’.

Fact is, I’ve enjoyed au’s and ut’s demise almost as much as our rocket ride. I laughed my head off when ut lost to Wyoming. To me, the more disgruntled the fans of the other sec teams are, the better. It doesn’t matter how ‘strong’ or ‘weak’ the rest of the conference is, if the Alabama Crimson Tide wins it’s games we WILL be winning championships.

by yellowhammer on Nov 18, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well, that's certainly all well and good...

..but the fact is the majority of our schedule each year is against these teams so we have a vested interest in them as presenting quality opponents. if we just beat the crap out of horrible teams each year we’d be in the same boat as any non-bcs cinderella of your choosing.

by kleph on Nov 18, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Like USC?

I understand your point, it makes us look better, but there’s always going to be good teams and not-so-good teams in the SEC and the conference champion will be in the mix no matter what.

by yellowhammer on Nov 18, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

there are so many unknowns and freaky variables in the bcs...

… that is is always better to control your own destiny if you can. waiting for some other team to drop one or the goofball poll voters to get drunk enough to actually cast their votes in a rational manner are things you can’t control. and if the bulk of the sec is perceived stronger all we has to do is go out there and collect as many wins as we can. the fickle finger of fate has nothing to do with it.

by kleph on Nov 18, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Florida and Alabama are both in the SEC

Even though the conference is not as good as advertised, it hasn’t seemed to have any affect whatsoever on the perception of Florida as the ‘best team in the nation’ right now. The rest of the league is never going to completely suck, but if Alabama was beating the dog mess out of other sec teams like Florida is, we would be unanimous #1 right now regardless of the rest of the league. And it would be true next year and the year after and so on..

by yellowhammer on Nov 18, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and keep in mind...

… i’m also thinking about next year. our performance this year will have a hell of a lot to do with our pre-season ranking which, in turn, has a hell of a lot to do with how good our chances are for making a stab at the MNC (which, i think, is a lot more likely in 2009 than 2008). poll inertia is a bitch and we want to be on the right side of that from the start but how well your competition is perceived has a lot to do with that.

but i’m not of the mind we are “good because everyone else is down.” i certainly think that’s a factor for our incredible production but i think the progress this team has made aside from that is substantial and the foundation of what we will accomplish in the future.

by kleph on Nov 18, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not a part of the “plan”, kleph, it’s a part of the process.

PS: “Holiday.” One ‘l’… how my Mom is ever going to find this stuff if y’all keep misspelling my name is beyond me.

by PeteHoliday on Nov 18, 2008 11:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

sorry about that...

…but nobody ever spells “Schexnayder” right either so i just gave up using it out here on the interwebs.

by kleph on Nov 18, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t envy that name at all. I’m actually used to it… something about the southeast leads people to use all kinds of bizarre spellings. Never had any trouble anywhere else, but who knows. Thanks for the link, though.

by PeteHoliday on Nov 18, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you'd think...

…if it was good enough for madonna…

by kleph on Nov 18, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is why I love RollBamaRoll

This post and related commentary are why I love this blog, guys. Well thought out, reasonable and rational, and intelligently communicated. Makes me even more proud to be a Bama fan!

One thing I will add, though, is that we should probably wait until after the bowls to decide which conference is down and which one is up. For the most part, all the conferences beat each other up during the regular season. And, it’s only in the bowls when we get a chance to go at each other that we see which conference is really tougher. I, for one, think we’ll do just fine.

Roll Tide!

Dr. BamaFrazier is IN!

by BamaFrazier on Nov 18, 2008 11:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

All the posts

and no one points out that Troy is actually a pretty good football team. Their only losses are to Ohio State, Oklahoma State, ULM (us last year), and now LSU. So three out of the four teams theyve lost to were ranked in the top ten at some point last year, and the other they lost to when they were down to third string QB, 2nd string ROLB, 2nd string OL, missing their no 1 WR and it still came down to just a missed field goal.

Troy blew out Oklahoma State last year, almost beat FSU two years ago, put 31 pts on UF’s starters last year, went late into the 4th quarter with UGA last year, toe-to-toe with Arkansas last year, nearly beat LSU in 04 (24-20 final), beat Miss St, beat Mizzou….

I mean yeah, it wouldve been an upset, but maybe you guys just havent been paying attention. Troy is a darn good team and the only reason teams like UGA and LSU haven’t already loss to them is because they dont have much depth and the Sun Belt’s self imposed roster limitations for away games.

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Nov 18, 2008 12:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

the concerns i have about lsu's performance against troy...

…are almost exactly the same ones i had about our performance against tulane.

by kleph on Nov 18, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

honestly

troy is a better team than Tulane, IMO

Larry Blakeney is a great coach.

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Nov 18, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Switch our record with Auburn, and Goergia's with Florida, and

and there’s less, much less, talk about this being a “down” season for the SEC. You’re hearing a lot of that (so much that it’s become a meme) mostly because national pundits DO NOT WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE that Alabama deserves its rank. If you denigrate the SEC, you denigrate the team at the top of the SEC, which is most of the point of all of this (at least at ESPN!)

Let’s play what if. If Auburn has steamrolled Georgia (who had beaten every other team they played including Florida) and cruised to a relatively easy victory over every opponent they faced, and they were ranked #1, and Georgia was ranked #4, would we be hearing all this talk? No, because everyone expected Auburn and Georgia to be good, and when they weren’t everyone repeated “Well, the top teams of the SEC aren’t as good as we thought this year, that’s all.”

Instead Alabama and Florida are great, and no one wants to stand up and say “Hey, these are two of the best teams in the country! They could beat any team they faced right now!” No, it’s instead a lot of “Alabama is winning in a down year” nonsense.

On another note, who has the Big 12 played this year besides each other? Their top teams only have the boast that they have beaten a lot of really, really bad big 12 teams. What top non-conference teams has the entire slate of them beaten? I looked, and didn’t find a single top 25 (currently ranked) team that any of them have beaten. So why no talk about a down Big 12 year? What do they have to boast of??

The real story in the SEC is that some teams we thought were going to be great aren’t, and some we thought were going to be just ok are great. Besides that, we have good, bad, and ugly teams, but you cannot make the case that overall the conference is bad.

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Nov 18, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The SEC is way down this year

But so is every other conference, except for the Big XII, that’s why the SEC might sit at number 2 (might). But look across the conference, and you will see that the league should be downright scary the next couple of seasons. Tebow’s coming back to Florida, Alabama will still be strong, Ole Miss is going to be decent, LSU’s QB will have a year under his belt, Georgia should be better…heck, even Vandy will be tough. Miss. St. and Tenn might be the only stinkers, though with Tenn’s talent I don’t see them losing 7 or 8 games next year.

by The ArchDawg on Nov 18, 2008 12:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting that Aubarn...

…was not mentioned in The ArchDawg’s post. Ummm….can you say irrelevant?

"I hate everything orange"
It's all about Crimson - ROLL TIDE!!!

by bamavicki on Nov 18, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Auburn should be more experienced, and better, as well next year.

I didn’t feel the need to go down the SEC team by team, but with more experience and a dedicated system on offense, they should be much better than the 5-7 they’ll probably go this year.

by The ArchDawg on Nov 18, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

From an outsiders point of view, sort of.

I have been an everyday reader of this blog from last July when I found it and just finally decided to sign up today. First off, I was born in south Alabama and grew up a Bama fan. I since moved off to college (OU) and am still in Oklahoma. (Actually still live in Norman) I am a Bama fan first and Sooner fan second. No real problems since they don’t play that much. I do get a bit different perspective than people in the south of both SEC and Big XII teams.

My perspective. I see this Bama team as alot like the OU championship team in 2000. (moved here in 2001, so I wasn’t here at the time) I can remember thinking the same things about that OU team that they are saying about Bama now, since I had no alleigence to them. Nobody wants to give Bama any respect because they haven’t been there before and hopefully it will turn into what OU has accomplished over the last 8 years (except for the BCS Games)

By the way, OU played Cincy and TCU and both are in the Top 25.

by DurellT on Nov 18, 2008 12:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'd missed that

both ranked in the top 25, indeed. Ranked #16 and 19.

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Nov 18, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

…if you’re still around, DurellT, but…I’ve been thinking that everybody but OU and Texas better hope TT wins their game with OU this weekend, and here’s why. I keep hearing that SEC defenses look better because the QB play is weak. While I don’t totally agree with that, couldn’t it be posited that Big 12 QBs look better because the D is weak? I mean, OU gave up 45 to Texas, Harrell was 40-50 vs. OSU, etc. Whattya think?

by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 20, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

kleph...

This was a well thought out and well researched post. I’m hoping we see some great match-ups in the bowl games to help determine the question of conference superiority. I will be surprised if the SEC dominates the bowls as in previous years, but I think even the lower tier SEC teams will be competitive.

Regarding the LSU-Troy game, it is true that Troy has a good team. I thought at first that an upset would be awesome. Then WE could say LSU loses to a lot of teams from Alabama. However, I doubt our coach would ever say something so classless. My rational mind then took over and I knew it would be better for us if LSU got the W.

This season has gone so fast. I see the headlines of “Alabama #1” and “Alabama Heading to the SEC Championship Game” and it still seems unreal. It’s almost been hard to savor the success because there’s always the next game to concentrate on. We’ve had wrongs to right and streaks to break. A couple more streaks to break BAMA fans and as Pete Holiday said “we will be where we are SUPPOSED to be”. I think the true enjoyment of this season will come later when we think back on what we saw on the field, what this team accomplished and most of all, how this team made us feel – that once again Alabama is “King of the World”.

"I hate everything orange"
It's all about Crimson - ROLL TIDE!!!

by bamavicki on Nov 18, 2008 1:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

great post

Having been around in the 70’s and then taking for granted that we would win 9 or 10 and always be ranked, to see a hint of that coming back to the Tide is a true joy. Yes there is still work to be done and it won’t be 11 -0 every year but the foundation is being put in place to get back to the top.

Roll Tide Tom

by tlock999 on Nov 18, 2008 1:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I remember...

…saying, in the 1980s, that fans of MSU or Ole Miss would be thrilled with 8-win seasons, and that’s what made it so hard to be a Bama fan. Now, it’s still true that fans of MSU or Ole Miss would be thrilled with 8-win seasons, and that’s what makes it so great to be a Bama fan. Roll Tide.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 18, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

memories of the ray perkins era...

…still wake me screaming in the middle of the night.

by kleph on Nov 18, 2008 2:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I dont agree the SEC is that down

Last year the 2 top teams were phenomenal – LSU and Georgia down the stretch
2 years ago – Florida and LSU

Georgia and LSU only look bad because they got creamed by the two best SEC teams this year – Alabama and Florida.

Auburn is down- but Alabama is up. Tennessee is down (but they were last year). Georgia is down- but Florida is WAY up.

The sec looks weak right now because GA and LSU got thumped. USC, Vandy, and Ole Miss are all better. (Tho we dont have a Kentucky like last year).

I guess we’ll see during the bowls tho.
Chuck

by chucktrukk on Nov 18, 2008 6:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No the SEC is clearly down

Florida and Alabama is all we have. The reason why we never have a SEC Championship showdown between top 5 teams like this year is because the SEC is normally so good from top to bottom.

KAREEM JACKSON!!!! THATS MY BOY!!!!

by Bamabrave4 on Nov 18, 2008 7:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Whatchyoutalkinabout, Willis?

The SEC may be down, but we’re clearly better top to bottom than last year, when you could count on Vandy being Vandy and Ole Miss losing every friggin’ game. MSU is not a good team, but they overachieved last year (especially vs. schools with poor OCs), and they have beaten a then-top-25 team (Vandy) this year. Speaking of the ’Dores, they are going to a bowl for the first time since 1982 (before you were born, no?). Auburn has struggled mightily, but still almost beat #11 UGA last week. If UGA beats Ga. Tech and their bowl opponent, they will end up with the same record they had last year. UT is lousy yet loaded with talent. UK is down, as are Arkansas and LSU. SC is at least as good as last year, probably better. UF is way up, as is Alabama. Ole Miss is almost as impressive in terms of improvement, due to a new QB and a head coach who, while crazy, has an IQ dozens of points higher than poor Coach O. The conference is stronger, top to bottom, than any in the country, and stronger, top to bottom, than last year.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 18, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think so...

Auburn sucks this year. Tennessee sucks this year. Kentucky is worse. Vandy only has a better record because the conference is down. Arkansas is a LOT worse. LSU is worse. Miss State is worse. Georgia, despite being #1 in the preseason, is worse because of injuries and suspensions. You see where I’m going with this?

KAREEM JACKSON!!!! THATS MY BOY!!!!

by Bamabrave4 on Nov 20, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

While I think the SEC

might be a little down, I agree with what StarStarr said.

Blockquoted paragraphBut the more relevant question might actually be "is everyone else down because Bama is good?" bq. Blockquoted paragraph

Some of our rivals do not look as good because Florida and Alabama have been so dominant. If we had two or three losses in conference, some of those opponents would have an extra win or two, which, combined with a little momentum/confidence (never overlook the human factor, guys) could mean an extra win or two for those teams.

Also, the SEC does have the best out of conference record of any major conference. I know you can argue all night about the quality of the out of conference opponents, but that’s worth a little something. We have eight bowl eligible teams; last year we had nine, but we didn’t have a team with fewer than two conference losses. I don’t know if it would be possible for the conference to be balanced with an 11-0 team and a 9-1 team leading the respective branches.

Look at the bright side. Auburn, LSU, and Tennessee, the THREE BIGGEST BENEFICIARIES OF OUR PROBATION/PROBLEMS/STRUGGLES/ETC. have returned to earth.

Beat Auburn!!!

by Bamagrad on Nov 18, 2008 10:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

While I agree...

…with your overall message, I should point out that we actually had ten bowl-eligible teams last year (SC had nowhere to go ‘cause the Independence Bowl chose us). However, Arkansas and Auburn aren’t dead yet…they just look dead.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 18, 2008 10:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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