Nick Saban and Making Noise...Literally
This blog started about two and a half years ago, just a few weeks prior to the start of the 2006 World Cup. Though some of y'all have teased me mercilessly about my love of soccer (aka "The Beautiful Game"), I won't back down from defending its awesomeness and I even occasionally cover it on RBR in the fanposts. Anyway, soccer fans are all about doing all they can to help create home field advantage. Noise, chants, visuals (tifo), etc. They're all about creating a raucous atmosphere that makes things difficult for opposing teams and they take it to levels that I haven't seen in other sports (which isn't always a good thing.)
I got to thinking about all of that because of Coach Saban's recent calls (NSFW YouTube) for the fans to step up and make a difference. He believes it makes a difference and so we, the fans, deliver. People attending in person and those watching on TV have claimed the last few games to be much louder than normal games at Bryant-Denny Stadium. I'd certainly say that's been the case in general since Saban's arrival at The Capstone and would go so far as to agree with the general assessment that the last few games have been really loud.
There were times under Shula and others where you would've thought you were at a PGA Tour event instead of a football game. BDS did not have a reputation for being particularly loud (and placed seventh in the SEC for home field advantage in this unscientific poll from a couple of years ago), but that's another part of Alabama football culture that Saban appears to be putting his stamp firmly on. He wants it loud and the fans are responding.
During the Auburn game, I noticed a few instances where Kodi Burns was having to yell in the ear of each individual lineman due to the din being raised by the fans. Auburn was really rushed to get the play off in time in those instances and it can't be easy to operate under that level of noise repeatedly, especially for an inexperienced QB. It's obviously difficult for a crowd to sustain that level of noise throughout the game, but it seems to be beneficial in the sense that it can visibly disrupt concentration and communication.
Some people though, dismiss the notion of home field advantage and say that great teams will win regardless of where they play and that crowds don't really have that much of an impact on the game. I can see it from both sides. I like the Romantic notion of me doing my part to lift the squad to victory. I do realize though, that Alabama won five games away from home because they're a damn fine football team and that no amount of black clothing or noise from opposing fans was going to stop them. If noise doesn't matter though, then why is trying to create it so important to Coach Saban? Believe me, I'm not one to question The Process™, I'm just bringing this up for debate. I give it 100% when I'm in the stands and am a firm believer, but I'm curious about what y'all think of it all.
Personally, I like the notion of BDS being a place where opposing teams don't want to play; not only because of the opposition they'll face on the field, but because of the noise. I'm obviously not talking about Ali Sami Yen level stuff (intense YouTube), but making a ton of noise and being behind the team with everything we have seems like a noble goal.
That leads to the change in poll question. Do you believe making noise impacts the outcome of the game?
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It makes a difference
for the visiting team when they are on offense for sure. I think the Auburn game was as loud as I have heard since we beat Notre Dame at Legion Field the day Bennett made “The Sack.” It was also pretty loud when UF played in BDS in 2005 and you see what happened that day. We will only have 1/2 or less of the dome, but it is easy to make noise inside. I think Clemson this year was pretty loud, but we can do better.
by 5026 on
Dec 1, 2008 10:10 PM CST
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Of course it does...
five yard delay penalties; early snaps; linemen jumping; failed audibles; failure of the opposing team to know what the D is calling…all of these matter.
by Stuck in the Plains on
Dec 1, 2008 10:53 PM CST
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I've read a lot of people try to play down...
…home field advantage/noise so I figured I’d throw it out there since Saban’s been bringing it up so much lately.
by Nico2.0 on
Dec 1, 2008 11:00 PM CST
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Overall penalties don’t matter; situationally they do but in general they don’t. Noise is kind of like that too; it can rattle young or inexperienced players, but since nearly every SEC stadium is very noisy, the players get used to it.
Most good offenses practice silent counts and hand signals for audibles, so sheer noise is probably a bit overrated. The biggest impact it can make is forcing the visiting team to waste a timeout it otherwise wouldn’t have taken, especially in a close game.
My guess is Saban made a big deal over noise to get the fans psyched and to help them feel a larger sense of ownership. Noise also probably makes his team feel better, even if it doesn’t necessarily give them a big tangible advantage. The man is smart and understands the psychology of football better than almost anyone, so I think he was looking for a mental boost within the Alabama tent more than anything else.
by Year2 on
Dec 1, 2008 11:14 PM CST
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Considering the way
that we played at home most of the year, even if it was a psychological ploy for the fans/players, it certainly paid dividends the last two home games. But, I agree, siutational penalties matter the most, esp at home.
by Stuck in the Plains on
Dec 2, 2008 6:58 AM CST
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wow...
this makes Rammer Jammer look like a lullaby…
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by SpockJenkins on
Dec 1, 2008 11:14 PM CST
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Ali Sami Yen Stadium...
…in Istanbul. The fan’s unofficial slogan for the stadium is “Welcome to Hell.” It’s one of the stadiums on this planet I want to visit most.
Red Star Belgrade’s stadium in Serbia is another place high on my list. Check out this video about 25 seconds in. The 4:02 mark is also rather impressive.
When I was in Greece this summer, they were having their basketball league finals, I was STUNNED at how rowdy they get at basketball games: check it. I watched it on TV in a bar and they were amped in the bar too. That country loooooooooooves basketball.
Serveral years ago in Turkey, Fenerbahce’s stadium caught on fire during the game and they just kept on playing until it got totally out of hand and then a fire truck showed up.
Fenerbahce also did a really cool thing with sparklers.
by Nico2.0 on
Dec 2, 2008 1:39 AM CST
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I actually used to live in Turkey...
but on the east side, near Syria…
I’d love to go back and visit Istanbul…
Nico, if you go to that stadium, I wanna go with you…
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by SpockJenkins on
Dec 2, 2008 5:08 AM CST
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^^^^^great reaction...
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by SpockJenkins on
Dec 2, 2008 5:08 AM CST
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Suddenly..
I am thankful for our Bama old-timers who will sit on their hands and butts in their season ticket seats until they die! Somehow I don’t think this is what CNS has in mind!!! lol Yeah, THAT is truly frightening. I guess the sparklers could be really cool, but catching BDS on fire is just NOT my idea of fun!
by crimsongirl on
Dec 2, 2008 8:40 AM CST
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What Nico neglects to tell you...
is that soccer fans are so damned bored they have to set crap on fire and chant for 2 hours straight just to keep the somnolence at bay. “Futbol”, where every game is Auburn-Mississippi State :)
by Stuck in the Plains on
Dec 2, 2008 2:50 PM CST
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hahahaha...
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by SpockJenkins on
Dec 2, 2008 3:48 PM CST
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Now you're putting it in terms I can understand!
Through an ugly turn of events, I was “forced” to watch the AU-MSU game this year and I would have set something on fire to get my heart rate up! I kept disappearing into the bathroom to check out the Bama score on the kiddie radio in my purse, and to keep from opening my mouth about the spread with the room full of AU grads I was sitting in. So I could imagine this group of guys setting a stadium on fire after a few like that! Scary.
by crimsongirl on
Dec 2, 2008 7:11 PM CST
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You do realize
that 3-2 in soccer is 21-14 in football. Soccer is only “low scoring” because the goals don’t count for seven times as much. :p
by Nico2.0 on
Dec 2, 2008 8:49 PM CST
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Yes!
That much I DO realize….the rest is just a lot of people running around, doing things similar to football but not the same at all! And DO NOT try to ask someone to explain the rules to you while you are there….they are not nice people! You just stand there and pretend like you know what is going on, and I have only been to girls 10-12yr. games!! I can’t imagine what these firebugs would do to me if I asked them for a rule! Pour gasoline on me and light me up??
by crimsongirl on
Dec 2, 2008 10:20 PM CST
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Here are the REAL rules of Soccer for :
approximately 39 people per side, break the field down into 7 zones. Then, they stand around, and occasionally trot about if the ball comes into their zone…mainly to look busy. When all that exertion has taken its toll, they kick it out of bounds, or, for the hell of it, kick it as far away from their end as possible. Occasionally, the ball reaches the opposing team’s net, where one of three things happens. 1. The phenomenal athletes will kick the ball about 30 feet to either side of the goal. 2. the phenomenal athlete playing goal will make texas tech’s defense look solid. 3. They will kick each other in the shins until one of them falls on the ground and cries. The referee will then come and give the offending player two cards. A yellow demerit card, or a red timeout card. At the end of all this, if there is a goal scored (two if you’re damned lucky), the scoring players will run about the field, screaming and tearing at his clothes in the most self-aggrandizing histrionic fashion possible.
Yea, I can see why it’s the “world’s game”
by Stuck in the Plains on
Dec 3, 2008 5:10 AM CST
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Actually Barn-State in Soccer is
1-1…one fluke side kick and one own-goal. :P
by Stuck in the Plains on
Dec 3, 2008 5:16 AM CST
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So all of the over-dramatic kicks/jumps/etc...
are just personality traits and NOT part of the game? I mean, if an 11yr old girl has no need to be a drama queen, I can’t see that these guys do unless it is required!?!
by crimsongirl on
Dec 3, 2008 8:02 AM CST
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if Saban says it matters...
then it probably does…
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by SpockJenkins on
Dec 1, 2008 11:15 PM CST
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It makes...
…a huge difference. It encourages the home team while often confusing and/or disheartening the visiting team. A no-brainer, but always good to revisit (especially if you have a big upcoming game at a neutral site with a fan base that travels well and likes to wear crimson…hypothetically speaking).
by NiceLittleSaturday on
Dec 1, 2008 11:25 PM CST
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Don't Forget...
The way it makes OUR players feel. After a great play, when they hear 92,500+ go crazy, do you think they think their hard work has paid off?
I think THAT’S why Coach wants us to cheer loudly; for support for the team. After the hell he has put them through while getting ready for the season, a night like Saturday was their reward.
Keep the volume high….
Roll Tide Roll
If it was easy, everyone would do it...
by SouthernComfort34 on
Dec 1, 2008 11:42 PM CST
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"After the hell he has put them through while getting ready for the season, a night like Saturday was their reward."
^nice…
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by SpockJenkins on
Dec 1, 2008 11:45 PM CST
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not to mention
Being loud in the stadium probably helps recruit too. If our stadium is louder and has better intangibles than that will have some impact on where players decide to play. I like to think that me being loud is doing a little part to win now and to win in the future.
Cause bama's pluck and gritt has writ her name in crimson flame.
by pluckandgritt on
Dec 2, 2008 4:09 AM CST
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i agree
with everyone. i definitely believe its important. i’ve thought it was a part of the process before we knew about The Process. i am a yeller from way back. As a matter of fact i often offer the following verbal disclaimer to the folks i sit around “i’m a screamer and often come down with a case of turrets during the game. any problem with that?” if they do, i try to move. I think it’s good for the team, good for recruiting as P&G mentioned, and dangit it makes ME feel good. I WANT to be a part of what makes our team great and yelling, participating in the cheers, singing the fight song, and doing rammer jammer at the top of my lungs makes me feel like i contributed. i love that today is tuesday and i still don’t have my full voice back. AND i was at Egan’s, not the stadium. (the girl in front of me is very glad she wore earplugs).
on a side note, i hate booing. i wish we were totally silent when another team enters our turf or just sang the fight song as if they didn’t exist. JMO!!
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by LittleSis on
Dec 2, 2008 6:24 AM CST
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yes!!! I'm glad I'm not the only one who's still struggling to talk...
but, then again, I was right next to you screaming…
fun times btw Sis…
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by SpockJenkins on
Dec 2, 2008 6:37 AM CST
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oh yeah!
2008 Iron Bowl Bumper Sticker: Shut DOWN, Shut OUT, now SHUT UP!
Alabama 36 - Auburn 0
by LittleSis on
Dec 2, 2008 7:39 AM CST
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Add me into the group that still can't talk
I sat up in the North Endzone upper deck and me and my girlfriend well yelling every second Auburn had the ball. A funny thing happened up there, since we were making so much noise and with that section of the crowd being pro-barn, the people around us tried to drown us out pre-snap while Auburn had the ball. I just smiled and thought to myself, they’re helping us make noise to distract Kodi.
If I do recall correctly though, Coach Saban said something about making the stadium a hostile environment that opposing teams feared walking into at a speech for Tide Pride members before A-Day. I would have to say mission accomplished.
by penno on
Dec 2, 2008 8:42 AM CST
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Booing when opposing teams enter
I agree with you on the booing when another team comes in…although I think it’s rude for the visitors to run in at the same time that the home team is making their entrance. I did think it was courteous of the Plow-Pushers to wait until our team was done with their entrance before they ran in on Saturday.
Try to spread this around…in 2010 when the aubies come to visit, instead of booing them, our fans should make barnyard noises. Imagine 92,000+ mooing, clucking, oinking and cock-a-doodle-dooing. I think it would be hilarious.
-D.
by DMaguire27 on
Dec 2, 2008 10:18 AM CST
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i like it!
plus it would be one think the barn couldn’t copy (e.g. rammer jammer & the kickoff cheer). what they gonna do? trumpet like an elephant? we’ve got the jumbotron for that!!
2008 Iron Bowl Bumper Sticker: Shut DOWN, Shut OUT, now SHUT UP!
Alabama 36 - Auburn 0
by LittleSis on
Dec 2, 2008 10:50 AM CST
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I love it!
Definitely barnyard noises for ’10.
I think this has a bigger impact on both our team and opposing teams than most people realize (Saban not included). Even in high school, hearing the fans chearing for you can pump you up and I can’t imagine what it’s like to not be able to hear your QB if your the opposing team. We never had hand signals in high school though so perhaps an experienced team would not be impacted.
by Bama_95 on
Dec 2, 2008 10:59 AM CST
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I remember...
…my first Iron Bowl (when it was still the Iron Bowl) in the 1980s. The AU band and students started to play/sing their alma mater, and all the Bama students around me started singing ‘Old MacDonald had a farm…’. Good times.
by NiceLittleSaturday on
Dec 2, 2008 11:30 AM CST
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And of course
we won’t need the barnyard noises for ‘09 because we’ll actually be on the farm…
Obvious, but I just thought I’d point it out.
I bleed crimson and white...I puke Vol puke orange. RTR
by SugarBowl93 on
Dec 2, 2008 2:26 PM CST
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I know it does...
its all about Momentum.
When the crowd can pump up your team and overwelm the other, the answer is simple. If we could get BDS to the level CNS wants it, and play like we have been playing……we would be a scary team to face.
I think some of the problem is the brats in the student section that don’t even show up and leave empty seats but won’t give their ticket.
by BAMA.13 on
Dec 2, 2008 8:52 AM CST
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The son of a friend of mine
is one of those brats in the student section that didn’t even show up and left seat empty and didn’t try to sell his ticket til saturday morning about 10 am. People like that make me want to rip their heads off and $hit down their necks.
by Fatback on
Dec 2, 2008 9:15 AM CST
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Now that we have the technology to fix the student section...
I say we fix it! Student ID cards all scan now, the section can be a first-come-first-serve as it once was, years ago. It seems like they let a certain # of seniors in first, then juniors, etc…Independents ALWAYS filled up the student section. They can even have the ticket charged on the card, I believe! There is just no excuse for these seats to go empty when there are plenty of students who would like to have them. The university made efforts to get people to give their tickets back this year, but obviously that didn’t work…..something else will have to be done!
by crimsongirl on
Dec 2, 2008 9:54 AM CST
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Those of ya'all
that voted no or don’t care are the ones continuesly going back and forth blocking my view of the game or your flapping your gums during the game. Ya’all just need to give your tickets to someone who enjoys the game and stay at the country clubs!
by Fatback on
Dec 2, 2008 9:09 AM CST
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SEC CG
I suggest all in attendance this weekend do our best rendition of BDS from this past weekend and see how it turns out. :-)
RTR!!!
by Bama_95 on
Dec 2, 2008 10:59 AM CST
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Ali Sami Yen
I’m a Turkish bama fan (two kinds of crimson, really), and it was kind of weird to see someone referencing Turkish soccer on a bama board. Awesome, but weird. That being said, Galatasaray (the team that plays at Ali Sami Yen stadium) went undefeated at home for several years because of their crazy fans… I’m not sure if that means we should start lighting flares and flipping out, but it couldn’t hurt.
Also, this may just be me, but I’m really happy everyone keeps picking Florida to win… CNS knows how to motivate people, and the entire world picking you to lose even though you haven’t all year is more than enough material to get our boys going.
Roll Tide.
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by kguner on
Dec 2, 2008 3:36 PM CST
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I think we should just start with the flares at BDS...
what’s the worst that could happen???
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by SpockJenkins on
Dec 2, 2008 3:50 PM CST
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I don't know...
sounds like a perfectly sensible idea to me…just like:
1. Cop Rock
2. Pepsi Clear
3. Lawn Darts
4. Bus Surfing in Sao Paolo and
5. Lane Kiffin
by Stuck in the Plains on
Dec 2, 2008 3:54 PM CST
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Do you think...
…somebody might lose an eye? Or a tooth?
by NiceLittleSaturday on
Dec 2, 2008 4:36 PM CST
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Ali Sami Yen...
…that is? (sometimes this “tree reply” format makes it confusing to see which answer is being replied to.)
by Nico2.0 on
Dec 2, 2008 8:53 PM CST
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No, unfortunately...
I’ve only visited during the summers and my family lives pretty far away from Istanbul. It’s on my life’s to do list though.
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Dealer: Motherf****r, you shaq.
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Dec 4, 2008 1:43 AM CST
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