Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: The Gift Of The 2003 Tigers

Garbage Time

In the blogosphere, you tend to get a bit accustomed to running across drivel masqueraded as legitimate commentary, but occasionally something comes up that simply takes the cake. Today I ran across one of those pieces. It seems Brian Cook, a Michigan blogger -- and no I'm not sure how in the hell he feels qualified to discuss Alabama football on that basis -- isn't too big of a fan of our latest recruiting class. In this piece of analytical garbage, if it even deserves that high of acclaim, he labels Saban a "Snake Oil Salesman," essentially states that our class is very overrated due to over-signing, and bemoans the practice of over-signing itself.

Let's see if we can delve deeper into this pile of junk, if at all possible. Be warned, put on your bullshit glasses before reading further.

"If you wandered over to the various recruiting sites on signing day you probably noticed big banners proclaiming Alabama's return to power via the nation's top recruiting class. This is due in large part to the enormous number of recruits that put pen to letter of intent for Nick Saban: 32, a full seven more than the NCAA's yearly limit of 25."

Actually, this class really only included 30 signees, not 32. See, this is where, you know, actually following Alabama football closely -- as opposed to following it via the headlines and then heading off to your computer to piss and moan on your AOL blog -- really pays off. Two of our signees, wide receiver Chris Jackson and kicker Corey Smith, graduated high school early and actually enrolled this past January. Those two signees are thus back-counters, and are part of the 2007 recruiting class, not the 2008 class. As a result, just doing the basic math, our 2008 class effectively consists of 30 signees, not 32.

And that is even if you don't consider the fact that Wesley Neighbors may very well end up on a Bryant scholarship -- since he is most likely not going to play in his first two years on campus anyway -- and therefore he will not count against the scholarship limit this year. If that is indeed the case, as many expect, this class suddenly goes down to 29 players.

"Only Miami managed to stretch the boundaries of the rule further, signing 33."

So since Miami admittedly stretched the boundaries even further than we did, why is this article not bemoaning Randy Shannon as a snake oil salesman?

Moreover, you act like Alabama and Miami are the only two programs to sign that many players, completely ignoring the fact that signing 30 or more players is a relatively common occurrence. This year alone, aside from the aforementioned two schools, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Minnesota, Ole Miss, and Kansas State also signed 30 or more players. In 2007, Tennessee, Auburn, and South Carolina all signed over 30 players, just to name a few. In other words, if you really think signing that many players is an aberration, you haven't been paying attention.

And, of course, where is the article bemoaning all of those coaches?

"Both classes are top five but in are overrated by sheer quantity."

Proofreading is fun!

"Alabama's #1 class is actually #6 by star average."

Wow, what a scandal, number six! How will we ever cope?

And for the record, our class is the number one rated class in the country not because of sheer size, but because we signed more four and five star players (20) than any other team in the country.

At bottom, there is a reason why the recruiting services do not base rankings solely off of average star ratings. Bigger classes are inherently better classes because they bring in more football players, thus meaning more quality football players will result. Smaller classes may have higher average star ratings, but once the non-qualifiers and the busts are factored out, the classes literally end up very small and often do not turn out that many good football players. Bigger classes are largely sheltered from such problems, hence why all other things being equal the recruiting services rate bigger classes higher.

Oh yeah, there is also the problem of elementary statistics. Average star ratings are just like every other average number in the universe, they can be greatly influenced by a few outliers and thus become essentially meaningless because they do not adequately represent the entire data set. I remember fourth grade, do you? If you need any more help, click here. Or I guess since you apparently can't spring twelve bucks for a haircut, you should probably click here for the free explanation.

At the end of the day, there are very good reasons why the recruiting services -- i.e. the guys who do this sort of thing for a living -- do not rate classes solely by average star rating. But I guess you've just got it all figured out though, don't you? I bet you are the first guy who ever clicked that sort button right above the average star ratings. You should probably give the recruiting gurus a call, they will undoubtedly be forever grateful for your groundbreaking discovery.

And speaking of such, I suppose that 2004 class that Saban signed at LSU -- #2 in the nation, but with 29 signees and "only" an average star rating of 3.38 -- was overrated by sheer numbers, too, right? Oh, wait... nevermind.

"Both contain large numbers of players with no chance to qualify this fall; it's all smoke and mirrors."

Um, come again?

I cannot speak for Miami -- unlike yourself I'm not going to blather on about programs I don't know about -- but I know for a fact that is not a case with us. If you believe that, either you have no idea what you are talking about, or you have been taking too seriously the opinions of those with far bigger mouths than brains.

There is not a single player in our entire class that does not have a very legitimate chance to qualify. We will have a few players that do not qualify -- and I do mean a few, maybe three or four guys -- but just about everyone in this class is close. The only one that I have heard legitimate concerns over is Jermaine Preyear, who is actually one of the lower rated guys in the class. As for everyone else, we have a few guys still on the fence, but all of them are very close. Most guys only need to improve their ACT a point or two, or perhaps raise their core GPA very slightly.

Again, I cannot speak for Miami, but in our case you couldn't be farther from the truth. Regardless of exactly how you came to that asinine conclusion, though, you are full of it either way. And rest assured I'm saving that absurd comment so you can eat those words six months from now when nearly all of this class has academically qualified.

"That's irritating, but Tim Gayle's piece on the massive 'Bama oversigning is disturbing. Gayle crunches the numbers and comes to these conclusions:
  • Four to six guys are not going to qualify.
  • Four more guys who are marginally useful can plausibly be given medical scholarships and removed from the team.
  • Six more scholarships need to be forcibly extracted from somewhere"

The only disturbing thing I've seen to date is that haircut. Moving on...

Four to six guys are not going to qualify? The bottom end may be plausible, but the upper end of that projection is completely bogus, though I suppose it is only fitting for someone as laughable as yourself to cite a source which is equally ridiculous.

And exactly what is wrong with medical scholarships, or putting players on it? It is a legitimate option for players who can no longer medically play football to continue their education on the university's dime. Every school does it, almighty Michigan included, and we have several candidates on our team that may very well need a medical scholarship. Cody Davis, after several shoulder surgeries, still has a dislocation almost immediately when participating in physical contact. Chris Lett is a diabetic who cannot participate in physical activities in the intense heat that is simply part of the territory in the deep south. B.J. Stabler has a chronic knee condition in both knees, and legitimately cannot play more than a handful of snaps at best. Zeke Knight already underwent surgery for a heart murmur, and may have recently suffered a light stroke. What in the world is wrong with any of these guys possibly going on medical scholarship? Absolutely nothing, contrary to your bogus "concerns."

And "forcibly extracted"? What are we doing here, pulling teeth? It sounds like it, anyway, with terms like that. In reality, players are going to leave and we all know it. Many of the former staffs' previous signees, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, do not fit with the current scheme and may very well end up going elsewhere. I guess since you are a Michigan blowhard, we'll call this Ryan Mallett Syndrome so it will hit a little closer to home. Others will simply leave because they cannot handle the Fourth Quarter Program. Either way, no one is being "run off" or anything sinister of the sort. Attrition is simply a part of college football, deal with it. Stop pissing and moaning about an inevitable thing that happens at all colleges, and stop singling us out in particular as if we are the only one who experiences it.

"Around six guys who are playing for Alabama now or expect to be in the fall are going to be told to get bent by the time fall practice rolls around. But let's all complain about how nasty Rich Rodriguez is, why don't we?"

Who mentioned the nastiness of Rich Rodriguez? Joe Tiller? Do you think any of us really cares what Joe Tiller thinks about anything, much less Rich Rodriguez and his recruiting tactics?

And, for the record, I can assure that no one in our collective fan base has given a second thought to Rodriguez since we sent his wife some thank you cards and hairspray last January when Saban landed in Tuscaloosa. Then again, I imagine that you figure if you are going to go off on a long, baseless rant consisting of nothing more than a bunch of ridiculous assertions, what's one little off-tangent rant, right?

Bottom line, it's simple: You obviously don't know anything about Alabama football, so shut up and stop acting like you do. Your opinion is as unsolicited as it is uninformed, and you are not fooling anyone with any actual knowledge of the situation. Just do us all a favor and stick to Michigan football, you might even know a thing or two about it.

And go Buckeyes.

Comment 30 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Huzzah!
Wonderful, wonderful response to a mean-spirited and shallow commentary on the Bama recriuting class. OTS, you rule!

by jetjaguar15 on Feb 14, 2008 8:34 AM CST reply actions  

AOL
The most surprising thing to me is that people are actually reading AOL fanhouse.  I did not even know that still exsisted.  

by kennybk483 on Feb 14, 2008 8:37 AM CST reply actions  

i'm not super happy about this article, but....
well, first off, there is a rebuttal by another fanhouse poster that counters a lot of what brian says.

second, as much ink that has been spilled about the sketchy nature of how saban does business this is an issue it's valid to level against the program. why? because he did bring in such a stellar class. this is a problem across the ncaa but, obviously, the program that does best is gonna be a lighting rod for the vitrol.

but, the problem is, saying everyone else does it isn't a defense and denegrating the messenger isn't either. that applies in both directions.

but it's a really sketchy way of doing business and not particularly fair to the borderline recruits who are going to get dumped come next fall. hell, even from a completely team-performance perspective it makes evaluation of this class difficult to discern.

as much as i found this particular article distasteful i have a lot of respect for brian's work. and this is an issue he knows a bit about. last year he and orson over at edsbs looked at this last year (intro andpart one, part two) and, the results are not pretty.

yeah, everyone does it and, yeah, the sec is pretty bad about it. which raises a wider question that i'd like to see answered rather than the usual mudslinging at everyone's given program.

by kleph on Feb 14, 2008 8:47 AM CST reply actions  

Explain?
I am not sure what your main point is.  Do you disagree with gray shirting players?  I don't see a problem with allowing players to come in under scholarship a semester later.  It seems to work out in the best interest of both parties.  I have read several players who said they enjoyed the ability to come in late, and not have to worry about competing so early in their careers.  It gives the players longer to physically develop.

The only other point that I got out of this was that Brian thought Saban was going to force players off the team.  I am not sure how well versed you are in Alabama football, but Saban did not do this last year, even though there were many fans who thought he should have.  I do not see a problem with having players leave who are not doing positive things for their teammates and the university.  The scholarship is a commitment by both parties to do the right thing.  It would be naive to think all of these are just kids who are trying to get an education.  

I think the main thing that bothers Alabama fans is that Saban and Alabama are the ones portrayed wrongly.  If someone wants to speak of the greater ills that are going on in the NCAA I think most people would listen, but when you do so as a thinly disguised slight at someone else, people are going to take offense.  I think that is obviously what OTL was writing about.  

Also, if you have legitimate information on what Saban is doing that is wrong regarding recruiting let's hear it.  The only thing I ever hear is so-and-so knows a guy who knows a guy who has seen x recruit in a BMW.  Is there anything substantive that you know?  There is at least some evidence regarding Coach Meyer.  Is there the same regarding Saban, or is it more hearsay?

by kennybk483 on Feb 14, 2008 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

for the love of pete
there is a real question about if it is at all ethical to participate in this practice. that saban and bama are the public face for it this year (and my personal level of knowledge about the inner workings of the team have ziltch to do with this issue).

brian's article is inflammatory but rather than adding to the flames, wouldn't it make more sense to discuss the practice and if it is something we ethically want to be closely associated with? and why do all arguments on these topics have to disintergrate into ad hominem accusations?

(or more to the point, what the fuck does any 'legitimate information' i may have to do with the discussion? i've not said coach saban has done anything wrong in terms of nacaa recruting rules at all. nor has brian, i might add.)

no, i'm not comfortable with 'grey shirting' as a policy and, i can assure you, an anecdote about how players "enjoy it" convinces me otherwise.

but, of course, it's one among quite a few practices in college football that make me more than a little bit queesy. and, on a more practical note, i'd like a better understanding on how the practice actually will affect the so-called 'standing' of this much heralded recruiting class.

i think these are valid questions worth pursuing in a productive discussion without all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, that's all.

by kleph on Feb 14, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

WTF?
I am trying to ask what in particular you are taking offense to.  What is it that bothers you about what is going on in recruiting?  Yes, both of you said something regarding Saban "sketchy nature of how saban does business."  I am assuming this is no longer about how recruiting works, but defending someone else?  I enjoy his blog too, but the article is not about the injustices of the NCAA.  The article is about Brian's hatred for Saban.  I am sure you read his blog regularly, right?  He does not like Saban, which goes back to when Saban was at MSU and was beat UM for certain recruits (T.J. Duckett, Charles Roges, Plaxico Burress, etc...).  Of course, it was evil for them to go to MSU, right?

I am fine with having a discussion about the NCAA, but the original point of OTL's article was a rebuttal to an uninformed article that Brian wrote.  Brian was taking the shots at Saban, and was using one article as his source of information.  I think this article might have had more credence if it was a follow up after the season started, and actually looked at where the players ended up.  He is instead making assumptions about something he is very ill informed.  I do not know how UM does their recruting, but it is my understanding that they oversigned players as well.  Look in the mirror before you cast the first stone!

by kennybk483 on Feb 14, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Garbage Time: Part Two
there is a real question about if it is at all ethical to participate in this practice. that saban and bama are the public face for it this year

Since when did Saban and Alabama become the face of these practices? Hell, even the Auburn people aren't saying that. A ton of teams oversign every single year, and that has been going on ever since scholarship limitations were clamped down in the first place. The "public face" of our recruiting class this year has been nothing but positive publicity about how a great class will help Alabama's return to the national elite. I have no idea where you are getting this from. Hell, even ESPN has lauded this class.

no, i'm not comfortable with 'grey shirting' as a policy and, i can assure you, an anecdote about how players "enjoy it" convinces me otherwise.

Well, it really doesn't matter if you aren't comfortable with greyshirting, so long as the players and coaches involved are comfortable with it. That's all that really matters.

And what does greyshirting have to do with us at the moment anyway? Saban himself has went on the record several times saying that he does not like that particular tool, and we might not even use that a single time this year. If Wesley Neighbors goes on the Bryant Scholarship, we are down to 29 players and thus if four don't qualify not a single person in this class will have to greyshirt.

And even if Saban was a big proponent of it -- which he is obviously not -- then so what? Nearly every school in the country has used greyshirts at one point in time the past few years. If you want to piss and moan about the tool itself, then fine, but don't single out Saban for something that he hasn't even done yet, something he admittedly doesn't like, and something that tons of other coaches have done on a routine basis.

but, of course, it's one among quite a few practices in college football that make me more than a little bit queesy. and, on a more practical note, i'd like a better understanding on how the practice actually will affect the so-called 'standing' of this much heralded recruiting class.

If certain things make you queasy, so be it, but again, don't single out Saban and Alabama.

And if you really want a better understanding of this class, read some of the stuff I have written on recruiting in the past month. I, personally, have tried to cover every nook and cranny of it here at RBR, so go read that. But to give you a short primer, the "so-called 'standing'" of this class won't really be effected at all. Come August, it will still be the number one recruiting class in the country, and it will have very, very few academic casualties.

by outsidethesidelines on Feb 14, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand your point about how...
...you think "everyone else does it" is not a valid argument, but in this case I have to somewhat disagree.  I won't deny that there are coaches and programs out there that are willing to cut corners and take on commitments from guys they shouldn't, then dick them (or someone else with less talent) over later down the road, but there are plenty of schools and coaches that routinely oversign and are able to juggle the load, so to speak, without it being a problem.  As much as I don't want to praise Auburn, they seem to be the masters at it, and I would imagine that every big time program has similar issues of guys who want to go to school there and that they want to play for them but that they just don't have room for, and options like grey shirting are meant for that.  We'll have to agree to disagree on whether greyshirting is a bad thing; I don't think it is, personally, since it gives the kid extra time to develop physically before enrolling, and allows them to go through both spring and fall camp to get a leg up over the freshmen who come in in the fall for playing time.  Also, more often than not, they are aware that greyshirting is going to be a possibility for them before they sign and have to take that into consideration.  What this all really boils down to, I suppose, is that Brian's assertion that Saban is a snake oil salesman who is harming these recruits, the school, and college football as a whole by oversigning is patently absurd, since none of these guys were snookered into coming to Alabama or lied to about their prospects here.  Almost to the man they were sought after recruits by other big name schools, and they chose Alabama fully aware that they might not qualify and have to go the JUCO route, or that they might have to take a greyshirt until a scholarship is available.  So I suppose what we're arguing over is whether or not Alabama should be oversigning classes, and as long as it's not detrimental to the recruits and there is a way, be it greyshirting or taking on kids that are set on Alabama even if it means they'll have to go the JUCO route when they could go somewhere else and qualify right away (it's their choice, after all), then I have no problem with it.  What I did have a problem with, and why we are so upset, is that Brian isn't raising these issues because he really feels like this kids are getting screwed over by Saban.  He's pointing at Saban and Alabama because his own coach is a dick and he's tired of defending him, so he's going on the assault against an easy target.  

by Todd on Feb 14, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

You know, it really doesn't deserve...
...a response kinder than this one.  Brian's whole post was nothing more than mean spirited mudslinging brought on by Tiller's comments about Rodriguez.  Saban and Alabama had nothing to do with it, and the whole reasoning behind the article seems to be "Tiller called out Rod, so I'm going to play the OMG $ABAN=EVIL$!!11 (pay no attention to the dickrod behind the curtain)" card to draw attention away from it.  His assertions are ludicrous, the story they are based on is equally ridiculous, and there was no call for it.  Everyone knows the process of recruiting can get exceptionally sketchy, but there is no reason to call out Saban and this class since it's not like we signed a boatload of two and three star guys "just in case" and are going to dump them when the four star guys who were questionable do qualify, something he seems to be implying, and we aren't going to put guys of "marginal utility" on medical scholarship to free up room solely because we have someone better to take their place now.  OTS correctly pointed out that the guys who are eligible for medical scholarships are guys who either cannot play at all or more than a handful of snaps without getting hurt AGAIN or are guys like Zeke Knight are great contributors to the team but really have serious medical issues that need to be taken into consideration as to whether or not it's best for their health to actually play football.  I want to see Zeke out there next year, but if it's at the possible expense of his LIFE then he needs to hang it up and get his degree.  And the other guys, don't act like we're robbing them of football by putting them on medical scholarship.  As mean as it sounds, their bodies are the ones taking football away from them, not Saban, and it would be the same case no matter where they went unless their coach was a ruthless bastard that would willingly sacrifice their health and well being to get them on the field.  And as for the guys that aren't going to qualify, it's not like these kids don't know their grades and ACT scores before they sign a LOI.  Not a one of them woke up the day after NSD and thought "Oh shit, should have signed with USF, now I'm screwed!"  They're smart enough to make their own decisions on where they want to play ball and to make a decision on whether or not they can qualify and get playing time there, and to say "Saban shouldn't sign these kids if he thinks they won't qualify" takes that choice completely out of their hands. (which, if you read Brian's post about Tiller's snake oil comments you'll see he takes Tiller to task for, so, you know, hypocrite).  Brian might have raised some good points about the sketchiness of recruiting, in the past, but this attempt is nothing more than bullshit mudslinging aimed at a favorite target of just about everyone (Saban and Alabama) designed to draw attention away from the shady actions of his own coach (say what you will about Saban's departure from Miami, but at least he isn't acting like a total pile of douche towards his ALMA MATER), and we call bullshit on that.

by Todd on Feb 14, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly
It didn't deserve a kind response, nor did it get one.

by outsidethesidelines on Feb 14, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

What a load of crap?
"but it's a really sketchy way of doing business and not particularly fair to the borderline recruits who are going to get dumped come next fall."

According to the stats, Vandy is the worst SEC offender in terms of retaining players. Brian was part of the research which brought this problems to light. How many columns has he written about the unfairness of Vandy toward borderline recruits?

by heffie on Feb 14, 2008 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Capstone
The Capstone had a good article explaining more about the author.

http://capstonereport.com/?p=445

by kennybk483 on Feb 14, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

That guy is a genius
[pause] NOT!

Great rebuttal OTS; shows why you are one of the most informed and well-written bloggers out there.  

and I lol'd @ "Go Buckeyes".  Classics.

"FAILURE" - When your best just isn't good enough

by BamaReturns07 on Feb 14, 2008 9:01 AM CST reply actions  

"And go Buckeyes"
LOL!

I have to admit, I stop by mgoblog every now and again. Usually pretty good analyses. But, Brian has lost his marbles on this one. Excellent rejoinder to the half-informed.

by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 14, 2008 9:34 AM CST reply actions  

Also Ratings Entities Don't Count more than
20 or 25 (I'm not sure of the exact number, though one is definitely 20), but one of Rivals or Scout actually has an explanation in their FAQ.  At minimum, neither counts more than the top 25 recruits--specifically to avoid large classes possibly skewing the rankings.  This guy is a class-A idiot.
If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right.

by izntitgr8 on Feb 14, 2008 11:38 AM CST reply actions  

Scout
Scout also re-ranks the classes in September and has for the last 4 years.  This should help
clear up questions on oversigning -

http://recruiting.scout.com/2/727350.html

"Go Buckeyes" was pretty funny, OTS.

by bamavicki on Feb 14, 2008 12:19 PM CST reply actions  

Just sent this to the Wizard of Odds.
Hopefully, it will make the Journalist's Notebook tomorrow. A national smear job deserves a national response, donchya' think? Again, good job OTS.

by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 14, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

Wow...
Does OTS ROCK or what?! Well...information will feed the hate, but I say let the actions speak for itself. In due time we will find out how it all turns out. They can spew that mess all they want. lol

"Go Buckeyes" Love it!!!

Thanks OTS

SDBama78

by SDBama78 on Feb 14, 2008 1:01 PM CST reply actions  

UM
Michigan fans in general, and this punk in particular, have the most nauseating holier than though attitude in college football. As always, outstanding work OTS.

by crbama on Feb 14, 2008 1:34 PM CST reply actions  

In my experience...
I have a couple of good friends that are UM devotees/alums, but by & large if you see a crowd of them at a sports bar on SFB Saturday, they're like the four losers in "Say Anything" thant, in Cusack's words, are sitting on a curb at the Stop-n-Go with no women around ("By Choice, man! It's a conscious choice!")

This douche fits that profile.

by tsmonk on Feb 14, 2008 2:22 PM CST reply actions  

Oy, make that CFB, not SFB
coffee... said I wasn't going to get any this late in the afternoon...

by tsmonk on Feb 14, 2008 2:24 PM CST reply actions  

You should include that
Rivals only counts the top 20 players in a class. I'm not sure what Scout does, but apparently a poster above mentioned that they have a faq on their website that outlines the number of players that count.

Oh, and yea, Rivals and Scout both re-rank the classes after freshmen report in august. So, remember to mock and ridicule this clown again in 6 months.

by Cam on Feb 14, 2008 3:50 PM CST reply actions  

Great Job
OTS- Great job!! I mean super analysis- I'd pay to read your stuff it is that good, but I'm glad it is free. One thing I don't think you mentioned about the star deal is that signing a kicker hurts your average against teams that don't sign kickers as they hardly ever get more than 2 stars---but a good kicker is worth a scholarship and Bama has not signed one in while and no disrespect to PJF- but it shows.

By the way- RR is not going to be the answer for Mich. despite what they may think. Don't think he can recruit the same type of player there he did at WVU, I think he will get good players, but not the same type of players. But, even if he does I don't see it working to the same degree. His O fit the less physical Big E. Something about the Big Ten tells me you cannot  win that one with deception, you have to win it with brute force.          

by 5026 on Feb 14, 2008 4:41 PM CST reply actions  

really?
"RR is not going to be the answer for Mich. despite what they may think. Don't think he can recruit the same type of player there he did at WVU, I think he will get good players, but not the same type of players. But, even if he does I don't see it working to the same degree. His O fit the less physical Big E. Something about the Big Ten tells me you cannot  win that one with deception, you have to win it with brute force."

Signed, Urban Meyer.

by Cam on Feb 14, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't believe I am typing this, but LOL
Of course, I put more stock in Meyer than I do DickRod. His WVU teams always choked away at least one game (or usually two) they shouldn't have.

by Todd on Feb 14, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

kudos
to OTS, that was a terrible piece of ill-informed deliberately misleading garbage.

by tempebamafan on Feb 14, 2008 8:13 PM CST reply actions  

recruiting class
A friend's son has an academic scholarship (full ride)to Auburn.  If he doesn't keep his grades up, will AU be terribly mean spirited to not keep him around for free for as long as he wishes?  Athletes have to meet performance goals, too.  Sad fact of life, college or real world--if you don't do the job for which you were hired, don't expect to stick around. Duh.
marycontrary

by adeleswims on Feb 15, 2008 10:22 AM CST reply actions  

When calculating necessary scholarships
keep in mind that Tyler Love is from Mountain Brook. To translate for the Michigan reader, Mountain Brook means Gross Point. I'm not saying that his family is going to pay rather than accept a scholarship, just that they can.

by TheHeffalump on Feb 15, 2008 11:50 AM CST reply actions  

Wow
Does this outsidethelines guy even know what he's talking about?  He looks like some kind of hack journalist.  lol.

Good job, OTL

Roll Tide Roll

by redtusc on Feb 16, 2008 2:31 AM CST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog covering the Alabama Crimson Tide.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Sg_head_small
The Time A Kentucky Fan Saved Me From Being Raped and Murdered

Recent FanPosts

Crystal_ball_small
Driving While Asian
Small
New Saftey Rules Suggested by Bama Opponents
57lsu_small
RBR " Don't Forget About Hoops" Random 10
Fum_small
OT: Anyone running in the Mercedes-Benz Marathon?
Small
AP/ESPN saying the Big 10 considering a Plus One
Th_squidbillies_small
The Curious Journey of Philon
Mewanee_3_men_in_a_tub_after_small
2012 Post-Signing Day Projected Defensive Depth Chart
Woodymugshot1_small
RBR Random 10
Script-a_small
Recruiting - Looking at who went where - by State

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Roll Bama Roll on Twitter


Managers

Disreputable_small Todd

Miltonf-788904_small outsidethesidelines

Kyp2_small Nico2.0

Editors

Kleph_logo_copy_small kleph

Green_small Matt Dover