Garbage Time Part Two: Todd Chimes In, Vulgarity Ensues
Brian responds, and he's still a dick:
I won't bother with Issue #1 since it's a personal beef between Cook and the recruiting services, and I couldn't care less about how or why he thinks Alabama shouldn't be considered the #1 recruiting class in the nation until the fall. But Issue #2? Fuck you. He can blather on and on about OTS's "voodoo math" and moronic points since OTS called him out on his haircut (and in this very post I've already referred to him as a "dick") and therefor name calling is fair game, but this is where he's a gigantic ass that should shut his whore mouth:
No fucking reason? How about this fucking reason: mutual commitment is a two way street, asshole. If you get a scholarship offer to play football, you damn well better produce or someone else is going to take your place. Is that mean? Maybe, but I don't see you bitching about kids on academic scholarships that lose theirs because they don't keep their grades up. Produce and contribute, you'll be fine. Screw around and don't live up to your end of the bargain, tough, deal with it.
So by your own admission scholarship offers are (technically) one-year commitments, and that apparently it's okay to not offer a fifth year kid if they aren't contributors. So why is it that you can't "not offer" an underclassmen another year if he isn't a contributor to the team? Again, mutual commitment is a two street (asshole), you're just trying to figure out a way to say cutting a player that can't even manage to get on the three deep is "illegitimate." And what about the natural attrition all programs face, especially ones undergoing a significant change in coaching philosophy, that will more than likely happen at Alabama in the spring?
I'll tell you what: someone gets it right in the ass.
First, fuck you. Don't go leveling accusations of unfair dealings that haven't taken place because you think and want to believe that's what is going to happen. Whatever stick you're getting right up your ass towards Saban, the University of Alabama, and the entire South, jam it up further. Second, again, boo fucking hoo. As soon as this gets posted I'll be headed out to pick up a violin and sign up for lessons, so don't expect a lot of posting from me over the next few days. Let me get this straight, Cook; It is perfectly fine for kids to leave Michigan of their own volition because of the change in coaching philosophy since the great UM really, really wants the little darlings to stick around, but if Alabama's kids want to go elsewhere to seek playing time (even if it is because their coaches encourage them to) because they don't fit in with the new staff and the schems they run, then "OMG$ABAN=3VIL!!!1"? Yeah, cram it further, asshole.
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by bammer on Feb 15, 2008 1:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Todd
Go Buckeyes!
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 15, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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I think for me what is the interesting part is that Saban has not runoff any players. I think it is fair to say that many if not most Alabama fans wanted Saban to do this last year. I still think if we had gotten rid of some of the players we might have enjoyed more success.
The fact is that there are plenty of players who are not doing the right thing at many schools, and there is nothing wrong with getting rid of them. I think it is naive to have this idealized image of CFB players. The kids are not choir boys. He uses an anecdote about one player who had to enroll at UM, this was one of the main cruxes of his argument as to what happens to these poor kids who offered full scholarships to college. It sounded almost too hokey.
Brian can try and disguise his argument however he wants, but this was not some pointed article at looking at a national social ill. This was a short-handed attempt to take a shot at someone he hates, Saban.
by kennybk483 on Feb 15, 2008 1:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well....
Go Buckeyes!!
by SDBama78 on Feb 15, 2008 1:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Questions/Comments
- Let me say first, that you for at least offering a legit argument to Brian's piece. If you read through the AOL comments, there is not one concrete argument worth pointing out. The fundamental difference in view is whether or not you see scholarships as binding (Michigan/Big10) or whether or not its a mutual commitment (Alabama/SEC). *Please note thats not all schools in both conferences, just the general idea.
- In an attempt to grasp a better understanding of the Alabama version, how many of the student athletes are lost for performance on the field? The general consensus (Not just in Big10 country, but around the nation as I lived in Texas for a few years, and am currently on the West Coast) is that most of your cuts aren't necessarily to academics, but several are to players that deservingly would have made a team in many other schools. Those players were left without a scholarship available, and coach so & so of the time had to make difficult cuts (much the same way I do it on NCAA 08). I'm just looking for insight here, not to start a flame war.
- Brian's argument about the "Mallett Transfer" said he would expect 2 or so to transfer. He's not saying its fair for us to have it, but that it is less of a deal when you at least keep his scholarship open. Mallett would have been nice to keep, but if he hadn't left when he did, we would have kept the scholarship open for him. This point is very hypothetical, I admit that.
- Please note these are questions and comments presented in a more civil manner. I do not have a beef with either Alabama or Saban. Nor do I have a beef with the SEC, although many of your fans act like obnoxious assholes, not everyone is like that, and even so, many of your schools have excellent programs.
by formerlyanonymous on Feb 15, 2008 1:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You make slightly more sense, but you still have
Second, you start off the conversation by stating that, in your experience, the entire country is baffled by Alabama's recruiting and cuts made afterwards. That sounds really incredulous, to say the least, and I think it probably comes from a superiority complex suffered by the BIG 10, because the best shots/comebacks your fan base has is to blast education, poverty levels, and general cliche southern cracks. Yea you.
Third, if you have a beef with binding vs mutual agreement schollies, take it up with the system/SEC/Big 10; the continued personal assaults on Alabama - singularly, as no other school has been attacked by Brian the asshole - and Saban make it seem otherwise, that there is a hatred or agenda against one or both of these entities.
Finally, go buckeyes.
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 15, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scholarships
I think in regards to Alabama there are probably players that should have been kicked out of the program. We have had a problem with behavior by some of the players on the team in recent years, sort of a hangover by the previous regime. I do not think there is anything wrong getting rid of the players who are not doing the right things that are necessary. I go back to my original point, that this would have been an interesting point if you were to go back in do a retrospective piece on how, a class that was oversigned ended up working out. When you make blanket assumptions that something is wrong without the necessary research, it obviouly is going to anger people. The problem with Brian's article is that he does not have the proper breadth of knowledge to cover something involving Alabama football.
by kennybk483 on Feb 15, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The crux of all the ire
by TideFaninTN on Feb 15, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy
This is, and has always been, primarily a campaign against uppity Southerners that don't remember their place. When we get these high-falutin' ideas of winning and championships, our massahs in the Nawth are always ready to raise a stink.
by AlabamaGameday on Feb 15, 2008 1:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
blog fight, blog fight
why doesn't brian attack minnesota for signing 30+ players. at least they are in michigan's conference and therefore should be more relevant to him. am i to believe the gophers had 30+ slots open?? or is it just b/c their 30+ players weren't nearly as good as bama's??
by gerry dorsey on Feb 15, 2008 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They are haters man, haters
Screw you Michigan assholes!
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 15, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why
by bammer on Feb 15, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never brought up the appy game
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 15, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please!!!
by bammer on Feb 15, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BLOG FIGHT INDEED
And on a side note, nothing sounded sweeter than 110,000 silent people in the so-called big house when Appalachian State blocked that field goal. Me and the other 20 people in the stands cheering for ASU were the only audible voices in Ann Arbor for the next 30 minutes. Was gorgeous.
Shove that up your ass Brian.
by crbama on Feb 15, 2008 2:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Didn't
by bammer on Feb 15, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
to their credit, the fans afterwards were extremely nice, and I'd recommend a visit there to anyone.
but brian should stick it up his ass either way
by crbama on Feb 15, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please God
by Nose Guard on Feb 15, 2008 2:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Corrections Literary Genious
You are bringing up Appalachian State? Wow, congratulations. You have nothing good to say about Alabama so you are taking shots at Michigan, because some other team beat them? Congrats, guys.
Gerry Dorsey, if you could fucking read, you would know why Brian didn't "attack Minnesota for signing 30+ players." A team is allowed 85 scholarship slots at a time, and while Alabama is going quite a bit over that limit, Minnesota is not. Fucking idiot.
Oh, and:
"Guess this is the flipside of being successful at something [recruiting]."
Yeah, fantastic recruiting season until you guys let go of as many as you need to to meet the limit, and then it's just a good class. You guys still don't have an impact on the season, again.
Roll Tide, you fucking idiots!
by kennybk483 on Feb 15, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Though i
by bammer on Feb 15, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OH yeah
by bammer on Feb 15, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
people in michigan is smart
by gerry dorsey on Feb 15, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is...
by Todd on Feb 15, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No
come back once our roster is finalized and please point out to us the poor kids who were cut and didn't deserve it.
Until then, kindly SHUT THE FUCK UP
by crbama on Feb 15, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, so you are an idiot
Enjoy yourself; thanks to all you Michigan fans trolling on our boards. Appreciate the smell!
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 15, 2008 2:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Kids
You are doing a good job as Brian's mouthpiece, though!
by kennybk483 on Feb 15, 2008 2:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
FtheTide should let others argue for her
And it is a fantastic recruiting class because if we are to accept Brian's argument wholesale as you do (and move closer to the idiotopia that would ensue from that line of thinking) then only the best of the best players will be retained and so when they re-evaluate the class, our rating will improve and angst over what Alabama is doing will wash over Michigan once again, giving you something to talk about instead of why you aren't helping pay for the buyout of the coach you are at the very least co-conspirators with.
by TideFaninTN on Feb 15, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Please draw a picture of the extreme hypothetical
by TideFaninTN on Feb 15, 2008 2:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i'm so glad that
by gerry dorsey on Feb 15, 2008 2:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
then what is the purpose of the 25 limit?
by TideFaninTN on Feb 15, 2008 2:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The sad thing about the Michigan side
by aladambama on Feb 15, 2008 2:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Please show me one indication where this has
by TideFaninTN on Feb 15, 2008 3:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I dont understand
by lawbama1 on Feb 15, 2008 3:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sweet!!!!!!!
Brian ahows a typical Michigan union attitude that players should remain on the roster based upon seniority not production. Next year coach Rod will do exactly what Saban is doing, getting the best players possible for his system. It will nice to watch Brian justify the same actions he comdemns.
by heffie on Feb 15, 2008 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna have to go with Brian on this one
by leftygunns22 on Feb 15, 2008 4:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well,
Notes one more time for some of you:
As for cutting players, Michigan doesn't cut players unless its medical, the player chooses to transfer, the player is in trouble with the law, or the player enters the draft/leaves the team. Our medical losses are still awarded their scholarship (same thing at Alabama I believe), even after being removed and do not count toward the 85 scholarship players.
Minnesota had enough eligible scholarships to have a class over 25. IIRC, 28, could be mistaken. Again, the Big10 forces a school to produce where the scholarships are coming from if you are to over-sign. They have done so.
If you expect anything better than "stupid southern jokes," you are way overrating any comment section on any site. Everyone has their idiots. On that note, I would like to commend you guys for not posting stupid comments on how Michigan is America's armpit or Appalachian state this or that. By the way, saying "Go buckeyes" doesn't actually piss us off.
Last point, AOL Fanblogs are probably the most retarded pieces of sports writing available. The writers, IMO, try to start flame wars. This is the third "blog war" Brian has been in this offseason. Black Shoe Diaries (you think stereotypical Michigan stuff is bad, what until you read Penn State), Black Heart Gold Pants (Brian's sarcasm reader didn't go off), and now Roll Tide. I want to say there were some minute tussles due to some other fan house posts as well. Let me tell you, Montanans love their football and will protect it more than CBS does the SEC.
RECAP: Again, this boils down to the belief that over-signing is binding or a two way street. Or in broader terms, loyalty vs worthiness. However you want to look at it.
Well, I'm glad this is 90% over. Have fun bashing Michigan some more.
by formerlyanonymous on Feb 15, 2008 6:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fine points @formerlyanonymous
by TideFaninTN on Feb 15, 2008 8:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
people who judge saban
Saban's actions when leaving Miami were nothing akin to bobby petrino's action ditching his team mid season, without talking to ownership or players. Saban did both of those things and made his decision after the season with the owners and players blessing.
dikrod is tryin to weasel out of money he ows his alma matter, who he just used bama to extort millions formt he seaosn prior.
Saban has dont nothing wrong from an eithical standpoint, froma PR standpoint, he's now being labeled with the petrino's and rodreguez's of the world and it isn't fair.
finally, football and life are not fair. it's just too bad that we as football fans cant have rational discussions about issues like this.
and it's too bad the big 10 carries enough weight to factor into a disccusion about SEC football.
by tempebamafan on Feb 15, 2008 9:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great post Tempebamafan
A scary trend among sports media is that they have become increasingly soft. All of a sudden a guy comes in with an aggressive approach to recruiting and coaching and he's a dirty cheating jerk. I mean come on, kids sign that letter of intent knowing very well that there is a possibility that they will get cut. Thats why America kicks socialist ass - free market competition. I miss the days at Texas A&M when Bryant could weed out soft players at junction.
by leftygunns22 on Feb 15, 2008 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is an
by bammer on Feb 16, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's about winning!!!
Dolphins fan also and i didn't like the way Saban
handled the whole media problem. Jimmy Johnson the
Dallas Cowboy coach did any thing he could to turn around the cowboys and Saban is going to do
the same thing at Bama. I ALWAYS PULLED FOR MICHIGAN OVER OHIO ST, THAT HAS CHANGED 360###
AND GO BUCKEYES AND ROLL TIDE
by tucker99 on Feb 16, 2008 5:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
vacation destination
by adeleswims on Feb 16, 2008 6:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great point.
by BAMA PHREAK on Feb 16, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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