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Thoughts on the recent Michigan/Bama war

Before I get into it, let me give a little background information.  When I walked on at the University of Alabama we were a team that beat LSU, Auburn, and Michigan.  By the time I left campus we had fallen apart.  In recent years, as much as it pains me to say this, Alabama became a soft team.  Auburn and LSU know this.  Those in the know, know this.  

Having played with or been coached by several members of Nick Saban's current staff, it is a fact that when Saban became coach in 2007, he stated something to the effect of 33-35 players on scholarship (all of whom were recruited by Mike Shula) were not SEC caliber players.  Saban never would have signed some of these deadbeats, who, consequently, have contributed absolutely nothing to the Alabama team, and he has made this clear from day one.  

Last spring, when 92K showed up, I spoke with one member of the Tide staff who admitted that Bama's team "looked like a high school team" and that the coaches were "extremely worried" about their chances in the 2007 season.  To be blunt, we didn't have a lot of talent.  We had a lot of players just taking up space on the roster, when, as Outside the Lines, Todd, and others have indicated, a scholarship is a two-way street.  A coach doesn't have to renew it, especially when a  player does not live up to his part of the bargain.

This brings me to my list of points:

1. Mike Shula recruited the players in question; Nick Saban OWES THEM NOTHING.  If he wants to force them out, say mean things to them on a daily basis, stand them in the corner of the practice field until they quit the team in shame, he can do so.  They're not his guys.  He didn't recruit them.  They had/have had the option of transferring since he became head coach.  Guys like Jimmy Barnes and Alex Stadler left.  Others have been encouraged to leave.  This is normal during a regime change.

(By the way...as a former walk-on, I have little sympathy for scholarship players, especially some of the ridiculously undeserving guys Mike Shula signed.  They're given a  free ride to play a game we would play in a parking lot while paying our own way.  We were made to work out at five a.m. so the weight room wouldn't be as crowded in the afternoon when the schollies came in.  We were put in the spare room and given all the leftover crap, but we didn't complain because we just wanted a shot.  Many of us never got a look; when we were injured, the coaches said, "Move it up ten yards!" so they wouldn't lose any valuable practice time.  They never looked back to check and see if we were okay.  Despite how the game appears on ESPN (and despite all the moral values, work ethic crap the coaches spit out to sound pious), behind the scenes, there's nothing nice about it.  It is about winning, not making kids feel good.   Everybody knows this.  Football stops being fun for a player in high school.  Every NFL player I know says this and that's not a coincidence.  It's not intramurals, as Dan Hawkins said.  It's not for soft people.)

  1. Let Saban "balance the checkbook" as he put it.  None of us know what is going on behind the scenes until it happens.  He has a plan and he will make it work.  Wait and see what happens.  He knows his roster better than any of us.  The one thing I remember from my playing days is that the majority of information written/said about our teams was usually misinformed.  The divide between what we know out here, and what Saban knows on the inside , is vast.  We'll find out after the fact.  
  2. Regarding the whole 70 + 32 > 85 thing...just because a player signed a letter of intent in 2007 or 2008, does not mean he will be one of the eighty-five on scholarship in 2008.  When I played there were several players recruited by a number of schools who became walk-ons because they wanted  to play at Bama despite the lack of a scholarship offer.  In the 2008 class, there are several players who could pay their own way for a semester or two if need be, until a scholarship becomes available.  
Believe it or not, there are many players in the 2008 class who actually want to play for Saban at Alabama.  If guys like BJ Stabler do not return, his scholarship becomes available.  Others can gray-shirt, walk-on, use federal money for having been displaced by Hurricane Katrina, whatever.  LET SABAN work it out.        

When it comes to recruiting, retaining players, and building a team, the man is second to none.  Others might be as good, but no one is better.  He knows what he's doing.  He will push the limits of what the NCAA allows, but if he does break any rules, both the NCAA and Alabama compliance office will let him know about it.  Have a little faith in the man.  In a game of sharks, he's Jaws.

  1. Michigan guys, we respect your program and your conference because we, as Alabama fans, are football fanatics and follow the game religiously.  But please don't take your frustration at the Big 10's handling of over signing out on us.  As long as SEC teams are allowed to do it, they will.  Football is all about finding advantages.  If the NCAA says players can only have twenty hours of football related work with coaches per week, you better believe that players are going to commit another twenty hours of "optional" (as in, get your ass running, passing, catching while we're not watching) work.  That's the nature of the beast.
  2. Worry about your own team.  Worry about beating Ohio State.  I, for one, am sick of seeing them getting so much hype.  Knock them out.  
What do you care what Saban does?  We've played Michigan three times and all three games could have gone either way.  Great games.  And you won two of them (although if Chris Samuels had played in 1999, I don't think you would have won that game because his replacements combined for eleven penalties).  Don't busy yourselves with babysitting Nick Saban or bitching that SEC teams can over sign.  As long as SEC teams can, they will.

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Thank you for this post. It has valid points without namecalling.  You have a different perspective since you have been on the inside.  I did find distressing the part about the coaches not seeming to care about the walk-ons who were there just for the love of Alabama football. Darren Mustin is a perfect example that I think Coach Saban is different in that respect.  I don't think any of us think Coach Saban is a warm and fuzzy coach and we would not want him to be(your Jaws analogy was perfect).  College football is not all about just having fun playing a game.  It's about winning because with winning comes money.  The difference in a BCS bowl money and the Independence bowl is immense. This is why we hired Coach Saban in the first place.  I have never liked Ohio State and always pulled for Michigan in their games against each other.  Some of the posts might make me rethink that, but let's face it, some of the Bama posts were bad too.  Bear said "we've got class and I know we got it".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3VTk0cEQB8&feature=related

Let's show some from here forward.  

by bamavicki on Feb 16, 2008 9:10 AM CST reply actions  

great post...
I know a lot about football, but beyond HS I never played a snap...so to hear it from a former Bama player is great. I'm in Kuwait and was busy/missed the whole UM vs. UA battle, so that's beyond me. I'm just looking forward to August 30th. ROLL TIDE ROLL!

by SpockJenkins on Feb 17, 2008 3:16 AM CST reply actions  

Good inform!!
Bamagrade,
Great post and you are right on about Saban.
I just do not like people from up north who
think they are smarter and better than us
southern folk!! Sorry for my potting mouth
and hope to read more information from you
about our beloved CRIMSON TIDE!!
ROLL TIDE!! GO BUCKEYES!!!

by tucker99 on Feb 17, 2008 5:30 AM CST reply actions  

Outstanding Post
This should be moved to the front page.

And I agree that Bama fans have more affinity to Michigan than OSU.  Michigan needs to get their own house in order, focus on beeting OSU.  Let's judge Saban's actions after the fact, just as we should withhold judgement on RichRod until his work is done.

by StarStarr on Feb 17, 2008 8:27 AM CST reply actions  

Glad to see some sanity return!
I realize that "fan" is short for "fanatic", but things appear to have gotten way out of hand.  

I appreciate your post!

We have to keep in mind that until things actually happen on the field, when it counts, we don't have a whole lot to brag about.  Besides, it's all about actions, not words.

This recruiting class is something to be excited about and gives us a real reason for hope in the future, but everyone needs to keep things in perspective and forget about the opinion of UM fans, who have nothing better to do than concern themselves with Bama.

Roll Tide and I think we are all looking forward to brighter days ahead!

by JoseBamaFan on Feb 17, 2008 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

GREAT post Grad...
Definitely needs to be front page...

by TopDaddy on Feb 18, 2008 8:13 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks, y'all
I'm glad you enjoyed it.  I honestly never saw what the big deal was about the over signing.  I had heard from a friend with a relative on the staff what Saban was planning on doing and I stopped worrying about it.  Saban even told the writer of the article that got Brian Cook so upset that it wasn't something anyone should worry about.  It's not.

by Bamagrad on Feb 18, 2008 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

'Bama (Saban) vs M blog
'Bamagrad;

Congrats to you and your obvious work ethic and real love of the sport. I grew up watching Coach Bryant stroll the sidelines (0n TV) and I have a copy of a quote of his that from time to time I put up on the whiteboard at my daughters (twins) Cheer gym before a competition. Coach Bryant said the following: "We may not enjoy monday through friday much but we sure do enjoy saturdays more than most". We all want to see 'Bama return to prominense and glory but not at the expense of having cheated to get it done. Coach Pete Caroll has built an awsome machine at Southern Cal, one day in the not to distant future 'Bama will be just as powerful (AGAIN) and we'll all cheer as we did back in the 70's when the Bear prowled!

NorCal

by NorCal BAMA fanatic on Feb 18, 2008 6:25 PM CST reply actions  

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