More On Elder
I hate to take attention away from the excellent commentary Todd posted earlier, and originally I had planned to effectively take the day off and allow that to stay up top all day, but I am afraid something major has arisen in the meantime that has changed those plans.
Redshirt freshman defensive lineman Jeremy Elder has been arrested in Tuscaloosa on two counts of armed robbery. Long story short, he apparently robbed two UA students at gunpoint Saturday night as the two were walking to their car in a campus parking lot.
The charges are, of course, very serious. This is not your typical college transgression by any stretch of the imagination. The two charges of armed robbery are considered Class A felonies in the state of Alabama, and in the state of Alabama Class A felonies carry a punishment of, "Not less than ten (10) years and not more than life or ninety-nine (99) years imprisonment in the state penitentiary and may include a fine not to exceed $20,000." Moreover, at this point, the Tuscaloosa News is reporting that Elder is currently still behind bars in the Tuscaloosa County Jail on $120,000.00 bail.
Again, this is not your typical college years transgression. This is a very serious felony offense, and unless there is a massive mistake in identity or a complete fabrication by the two victims -- both of which, of course, are a one-in-a-million shot -- Elder's next stop will be at an Alabama state penitentiary for a very long period of time. Rest assured, this is not the type of thing that will result in some community service, a few months probation, and a relatively small fine, and then everything will go away and be just fine. It's not that type of situation, to put it mildly.
Coach Saban, as of this posting, was not available for comment on the situation, and rightly so. There is really nothing that he can say on the subject, and there is nothing he can do about anything. Elder probably just threw his life away, and there is nothing the Nicktator can do about that one. Moreover, there is really nothing for Saban himself to even decide. The decision and punishment in this situation will be up to a judge and jury, what Saban thinks does not matter the least little bit.
Now, from a football perspective, it goes without saying that Elder is effectively done. Obviously you cannot play football while incarcerated, and it just means that Elder's career at Alabama is almost certainly over.
In terms of talent and depth for the 2008 season, Elder's seeming demise really has no major impact. He redshirted in 2007, and did not play a single snap, not even in the Western Carolina game. For the 2008 season he would have probably played a few snaps here and there -- mainly in garbage time in blowout situations -- but it seems unlikely that he would have seen any significant amount of quality playing time. Our defensive line will feature several players next year as starters or in key situations, but Elder was unlikely to be one of those players. His departure is unlikely to have any tangible impact on our success in the short-term.
Elder's likely departure will also free up a scholarship in regard to the limit of 85 scholarship players. As you probably know by now, we need to free up a few scholarships, and this just puts us one step closer to that point. Moreover, on a more general point, it is largely reasons like this as to why you oversign in the first place. Attrition is a part of the game, and you have to compensate for that accordingly.
We'll have more on this as news becomes available.
Update [2008-2-18 15:18:57 by outsidethesidelines]:
As was first posted by kennybk in the comments, Saban has suspended Elder indefinitely from all football activities. It's a token gesture at best, however. It really does not matter what Saban does with Elder because the judicial system is going to trump whatever he wants to do. Regardless of what Saban says or does, Elder is likely prison-bound.
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Brian Cook was right!
And Pete Holiday is there with the scoop
Saban Made Him Do It: 'Bama DE Arrested
by SweetHomeAla on Feb 18, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
ps. lol Heffie
I came to say what Heffie said....
I wonder about Elder's background. Was he someone Saban picked up after he got to Tuscaloosa or was he one of the 'questionable' guys that the previous coaching staff had gone after and Saban celebrated with Lemsday?
Also, isn't that "Kill me if you can" Ad over on the left margin a little too flamible for a sports blog?
by That Other Dave on Feb 18, 2008 1:46 PM CST reply actions
Notes
As for the ads... you'll have to ask either Todd or Nico. I have no clue how any of that stuff works, and I'm honestly not even sure if they have any control over that sort of thing.
by outsidethesidelines on Feb 18, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
We're looking into pulling it...
Dave...
You should've seen one of the ones I didn't approve last week. There's some crazy ads being submitted lately.
BlogAds' offices....
Come on, Elder...
by Bama philosophe on Feb 18, 2008 1:54 PM CST reply actions
Suspended
http://blog.al.com/rapsheet/2008/02/saban_suspends_elder_indefinit.html
by kennybk483 on Feb 18, 2008 2:08 PM CST reply actions
Take this comment with a grain of salt.....
On a serious note: I have no sympathy for Elder at this time, but I do hope he gets on the right track.
I'm honestly dissappointed in you, OTS.
You all act like the outcome is a certainty, when in fact we know nothing. I hate that our society - spurred on by the media, in particular - is so quick to rush to judgment these days.
Do you appreciate just how often the police are wrong? Do you appreciate just how often "eye witness" reports are COMPLETELY fallacious. It's not intentional, but when someone is holding a gun in your face or otherwise menacing you, chances are you will have absolutely no idea what they look like after the fact. It's just the way the human mind works. (you've heard of 'fight-or-flight'?)
I forget the exact numbers, but since DNA profiling has become prevalent there have been a truly staggering number of exonerations for people on DEATH ROW. Meaning the police and court were so SURE that a person was guilty they sentenced them to death. Wrongly.
Of course he could be completely guilty for all I know, but you know what: none of us know. Maybe the cops found the gun and money in his room? Maybe they took the description the two kids gave to them and started hunting around every dorm in the direction the robber went looking for a black dude that fit the account. (don't think for a second that doesn't happen.)
Just realize that none of us have an alibi for every second of our lives and any one of use could be wrongly accused of any number of heinous acts that we wouldn't even have the slightest idea of how to go about perpetrating. Wouldn't you appreciate the benefit of a doubt from alot of people who don't even know you?
We won't know what the truth is in this case until he's tried (and maybe even not then) so how about we all hold off on the tenuous character judgments and act like we appreciate the novel idiom on which this country was founded of "innocent until proven guilty".
by Cam on Feb 18, 2008 5:07 PM CST reply actions
Interesting Point
by kennybk483 on Feb 18, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Jeremy Elder
Thank you for making this very important point.
This blog is in danger of developing a reputation for going off half-cocked without giving a thought to statements.
by Tideincal on Feb 18, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
Just in case you were wondering...
by Bama philosophe on Feb 18, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
I see your point...
I don't think you see the point
And even if you did have enough information to conclude that he is guilty, do you want to state that conclusion in a public forum, given how much is at stake for Jeremy Elder? It seems that a little restraint is in order. We're no longer talking about football or basketball. This is not like speculating about whether Mark Gottfried should be fired from a $1 million-plus salaried position. (Some might wonder whether Gottfried is "stealing" the University blind. Why don't you write about that?)
I appreciate this blog and check it almost daily. You guys have done a really nice job but you're losing your focus a bit in the last few days. Stick to the sports; cultural analysis of Michigan fans and criminal law are not your strengths.
by Tideincal on Feb 18, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
When did I say...
It's a free country
I'm just saying that the more serious an issue is, the more I appreciate people who show self-restraint in a public forum. It's just good manners. That's all. Speculating in a public forum about the degree of probability of some guy's guilt in a serius crime is just poor taste.
And if I don't like what I find here, I can look somewhere else. No big deal. Just wanted to say what I appreciate about your site.
by Tideincal on Feb 19, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
You need to chill.
While I certainly believe in innocent until proven guilty, and he may well be innocent, it looks like the facts are lining up against him. You also have to give some credit to the police that they have some sort of common sense to NOT arrest the wrong person. And, I may be wrong, but I think that is the general point the staff was attempting to make.
Furthermore, do you think Saban would have suspended this kid because there are no facts in the case; he is also sitting in prison with a $120,000 bail.
Yeah, the Michigan thing got out of hand - on all accounts - but don't come in here holier-than-thou and start criticizing a staff that busts their asses day in and day out to provide YOU with information and high quality analysis of this football team we all love. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. I think Todd already apologized for the Michigan thing - which, IMO, was not necessary - but just because you don't agree with everything that is written does not mean there is something wrong with the site. I agree with you and Cam's points about innocent until proven guilty, but blame Saban and the TPD, who obviously feel there are facts that warrant this kid to be suspended and placed in jail. All these guys are doing is providing news and editorials on THEIR opinions about the situation.
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 19, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
This blog is not a court of law...
With the exception of this young mans family and himself, I doubt anyone here wants him to be guilty. Unfortunately, just because you want something doesn't make it so.
by That Other Dave on Feb 19, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
I agree completely
Any such statements--and yes, I'm distorting for effect--are extremely premature.
And as far as the "well, the cops wouldn't arrest him for no reason . . . " That is simply--and regrettably--false. In the past week here in Mississippi there have been two high-profile exonerations of men (namely Kennedy Brewer) who were wrongfully arrested, wrongfully convicted, and wrongfully held for years.
It's a plague, it happens all the time, and it's terrible to just assume guilt. And yes, Todd, there was a rush to judgment, and the main article is filled with handwringing about how terrible this is. It IS terrible to be arrested under any circumstances, but it's no death knell.
I'm very disappointed, and I think it's important to just give this kid the full benefit of the doubt.
Not to mention that yes, that's the the crime he was arrested under. It doesn't take me being a lawyer to tell you that EVEN IF he goes to trial on such charges--if they stick, if nothing else happens--there are levels of crimes below that are encompassed in that crime. There's always lesser crimes, and many first-timers plead down, plead out, or simply walk.
I'm just surprised by the knee-jerking to guilt. I would much, MUCH rather we knee-jerked towards being hopeful that this isn't what happened.
I totally disagree
I think you guys are blowing the main article WAAAAY out of proportion. I don't think anyone on here "wants" this guy to be guilty, but it just looks bad all the way around. Again, I don't think Saban would have suspended him if there was no evidence of what he did.
I also think that your comment about police is an easy way out. Police tend to be an easy target, and past actions have proved that sometimes, and to some degree, it is justified. But, honestly, do you REALLY think the TPD would arrest an Alabama football player if they did not have solid evidence against him?
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 19, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not seeing a rush to judgement...
Considering the circumstances
If I were Elder's dad I'd be trying to get my son to take a plea to a lesser offense right now to do about 5 years claiming the gun wasn't real or he didn't really pull it etc.--something bogus. Don't know if DA would take a plea, but I'd be trying to get one and quick.
Still he is innocent until he pleads or goes to trial. But the thought that Saban set the thing up is about as crazy as saying that Bush planned 9/11. No, it is even more crazy.
I have noticed that we got a lot of folks
People need to take it easy...this site is supposed to be entertaining and fun, somewhere along the way everybody got there panties in a wad.
Todd, Nico, OTS:
RTR

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