Look out in 2009 (but not for SUC)

by BamaFanInCA on Feb 4, 2008 5:30 PM CST Comment 22 comments

i'd say 09 is the year that BAMA can be dangerous (depends on Star's development too). but the team is still young this year and has a tough road schedule. but lets not forget, Saban coached a less talented team (with a below avg qb) to a 7-5 record this year. and all 5 losses were by 7 pts or less. i'd say that's good coaching. and possibly a #1 recruiting class coming in.

but Nico, why would you put SUC at the top of the list (they're questionable at qb. who knows how good sanchez or mustain will be). and bammer, don't start comparing teams to SUC and what type caliber team they are. please don't fall for the media hype for SUC. they're OVERRATED! they're a slightly better version of ohio st with slightly better talent. they play in a weak conference every year (just like osu) and no conference championship. and don't gimme the argument that SUC plays a tough non-conference schedule.

let me show you their non-conference schedule from '03 till now:

'03 - auburn, byu, hawaii and notre dame...all unranked.

'04 - va tech, colorado state, byu and notre dame...all unranked except Va Tech.

'05 - hawaii, arkansas, fresno state and notre dame...all unranked except notre dame (who was overrated like they are every year and got pounded by ohio state in a bcs bowl).

'06 - arkansas (ranked but didn't have a healthy mcfadden at the time and their qb in that game was later converted to a wr), nebraska (unranked), and notre dame (ranked but overrated again and got pounded by LSU in a bcs bowl).

and finally '07 - idaho, nebraska and notre dame (all unranked) with a loss to stanford. yes they creamed illinois. so what? they beat a 3 loss big 10 team. wow, that's impressive.

their only impressive win is in '04 over oklahoma in the title game. and even that's questionable considering OU loses to everybody in a BCS bowl. and yes they beat auburn and arkansas on the road, but it's easy to get up for 1 tough SEC game (especially with all the talent they get out of SoCal). try 3 in a row.

but every year is the same story. SUC walks through a cupcake pac-10 (where road games are as hostile as a neutral site) and beats up on a mediocre big 10 team in the rose bowl (including michigan in '03 and '06). i'll respect them when they play against 3 ranked teams back-to-back-to-back (in a hostile environment like the SEC), in a conference championship and a team not from the big-10 in a bowl game all in the same year. DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!

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I take it you do...

not like So Cal.
I agree with some of your points, but they have been recruting top notch classes for a while. So Cal's talent is superior.

After a couple more classes like this years, and the TIDE should be on an even level with So Cal's talent.

tubs sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!

by BAMA PHREAK on Feb 4, 2008 8:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

BamaFan

If you honestly believe what you wrote, then you really need some help. The debate on who's conference is better is tired and needs to be put to rest. USC right now is leaps and bounds ahead of Bama. Did you see how many 5 star recruits they had last year? It will take 3-5 years of solid recruiting to gain the depth of talent they have at every position. One damn strong class is not going to be enough. Some of these kids might be able to come in and produce but most will be red shirted. Im sorry to tell you that Wilson will be the starting QB in the fall. He's a senior and they will give him his shot.

The one thing i did agree with you on is the overrated mess that is OSU and the Big 10. To compare USC to OSU is laughable and honestly ignorant.

I am just SSSOOO sick and tired of the SEC rules argument. Yes we have a very tough league, there is no denying that. Lets just put it to bed and talk about things that are actually relevant to college football.

Thank You....

by bammer on Feb 5, 2008 8:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

No, than you bammer!

I don't know if it takes guts, intelligence, or both. But THANK YOU for saying what needs to be said bammer.

It's OK to hate, but when disseminating a topic such as strength of conferences, schedule, and "overall" team abilities- it's retarded to just flat-out discount (the vast and insidious) "mainstream media" and their 2-cents on the whole matter. Not only that, when talking about "the only game" that mattered in their previous 6 years of playing was the Oklahoma beat down in the Orange Bowl being their "only significant" victory. Homegrown? Please.
But just to entertain that though- so 'SC beat OK? Dude, I'm not sure if you were paying attention- but EVERYBODY was so sure the Sooners would crush 'SC that day. They too were talking about the same tired points you brought up. Schedule. Conference. Talent. Coaching. SHAD-DUP already. Oklahoma got smoked. (people would NOW say that maybe the Sooners were overated that year?) You can't have it both ways. Prediction and hindsight are a beyotch. Trying to have both? Well you'd be arrested for being a crying-manbaby in some states. And just because OSU gets smoked 2 years in a row doesn't make the entire Big 10 a weak conference. They were definitely weak this past year, but in '06 they weren't all that bad. Florida was just THAT freaking good. And then this year? Same (Florida, that is) personnel (somewhat), same coaching (somewhat), same tough conference schedule (totally) and THEY LOSE TO A WEAK BIG 10 school who had (earlier in the year) gotten beaten by a Div. 1AA Appalachian State?

But go on. Have it both ways if you want.

You won't convince me of your argument though.

USC might not be the BEST program. That's gotta (IMHO) go to LSU this year. For all intents and purposes, you can't call USC over-rated the past 6 years. You can't call them the best by no stretch of the imagination. What you can do is give them their due and put them up there in the upper-echelon of the CFB landscape and keep retardation to a minimum.

by tapout on Feb 5, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

meant for bammer

my reply was meant for bammer but seeing that you (tapout) want to stick your head in the argument...i'd would say that calling people "retards" to get your point across kinda makes you ignorant. i think you have me mistaken as a southerner who only views things through SEC tainted goggles. but FYI, i'm born and raised in los angeles. i get to see, hear and read about SUC and how "good" the pac 10 is every year. so don't try and make it out like i'm just a biased observer.

as far as the game against OU goes...the talent level was pretty equal in that game. OU just got severely outcoached. hence, what have they done since norm chow and ed orgeron left? so does that make SUC the best? or maybe it's boise state since they beat OU in a bcs bowl too. or maybe it's west virigina since they beat OU in a BCS bowl as well. i honestly don't understand how in '03, SUC gets a share of the title for beating a 2-loss michigan team in the rose bowl. SUC beat another big 10 team in the rose bowl. whoop dee do. and how does awbarn not get a share of the title in '04 when they go undefeated in the SEC. i'm not saying awbarn would have beat SUC, but i'm pretty sure they could have competed. just like the giants did against the patriots in the super bowl. not to mention, awbarn had 4 players drafted in the 1st round that year.

and your michigan argument...i don't know what it proves. florida basically had the same personnel? they lost 9 starters on defense! if you watched that game, florida's offense did their part (except for maybe tebow holding on to the ball too long at times). it was the defense that got worked. lloyd carr's last game factored with florida's D being young...is it really that surprising they lost? and it's not like they got blown out. they were in it till the end. did you not see the big 10's record in bowl games this year (3-5)? that michigan game proves nothing. i think if you can't see the Big 10 is weak, YOU'RE obviously blind.

and the 2 conferences that don't want some sort of playoff system...the big 10 and pac 10. gee, big surprise. other than the fact they get lots of $$$ for playing in the rose bowl together, they obviously don't want to compete with other conferences for a title.

we can agree to disagree but get your facts straight before you open your mouth

by BamaFanInCA on Feb 5, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't call you a retard

Only said that your line of reasoning is retarded.

by tapout on Feb 5, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I could care less where you were born

Doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is that in your original diary post, you spouted off how "SUC" is over-rated.

Go on. Read my posting. You can do it.

Never talked about which conference is better. Never said "SUC" is the #1 team in the nation.

Did you read it?

Only said USC is not an over-rated program overall. They deserve some, not all the accolades the mainstream media, college coaches (I think they know a little more about football than you or I), and fans and non-fans have bestowed upon them.

You brought up all your tangential points yourself. You masturbated CFB facts solo. (hope it was fun???)

All I'm saying is chill.

I'm a 'Bama fan by way of my Uncle Junior graduating back in 1979. I was 1 year old and have been wearing 'Bama-gear since as long as I can remember. Was read Bear Bryant stories like they were Greek myths of a byegone era. I graduated from USC Keck School of Medicine recently and although I'm not an uber-rah-rah of all things Trojan, I'm still an alumnus with strong ties to the football program. (Chris Carlyle was my mentor, is my friend)

Don't hate. Is all. Again.

by tapout on Feb 5, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

BTW

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree that the Alabama Crimson Tide will be A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH. This past CFB season put a HUGE smile on my face.

Saban makes not only 'Bama football shine once again, he makes the entire SEC LANDSCAPE all that much better.

I agree with you, 'Bama recruiting will put them heads and shoulders above the rest of SEC competition in years to come. Next year is still within our grasp. A BCS bowl? It's not entirely out of the question. With Saban, ANYTHING can happen. He's a winner (Miami notwithstanding, the pro game is not his forte'. And for sure not his forte' so long as it resides in Florida) I have so much high hopes for Alabama football. My future progeny depend on it! (that ain't happening- kids- anytime soon. I got BILLS these days)

If it wasn't for me attending "SUC", I'd take my 1/8-Choctaw blood back to the South and play me some Toli !! Eat me some Waffle House. Get my game and grub on in the beautiful Mounds of Alabama.

by tapout on Feb 5, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

MTN WEST>PAC10

the pac 10 is overrated. and USC over the last 6 seasons has to be one of the most overrated teams of all time. they won just one championship against a weak opponent, yet they get treated like the f-in chicago bulls back in 96. all cause they've managed to win 47 out of 58 conference games since caroll took over. and have gone 0-1 vs the mtn west, 1-1 vs the big 12, and 4-0 vs the big 10 in bowl games. those teams btw, utah, iowa, oklahoma, tejas, illinois, and michigan x2.

by tempebamafan on Feb 6, 2008 2:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

(correction) No, thank you bammer

was supposed to be my subject title from above

by tapout on Feb 5, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not the point buddy

my whole post wasn't about which conference is better so calm down. my post was regarding how overrated SUC is. nobody's denying how good they are. they're a powerhouse program that is a top 10 team year in and year out. but to say they deserved to play for the title this year and to pick them as the favorite or #1 at the end and beginning of each season is ridiculous. their starting qb is gone. their #1 option in fred davis is gone. sanchez is still unproven. yes, they'll reload. they always do. nobody's denying they have talent. if you want to set SUC as the standard as far as depth of talent, i'll give you that. i KNOW they had the #1 recruiting class 3 years in a row from '04-06 and have been in at least the top 3 from '03 to '07. but talent isn't everything. it's a BIG part of it, but last time i checked, SUC hasn't won a championship since Norm Chow left. last time i checked, SUC lost to Stanford (who lost to notre dame by the way). at home no less. last time i checked, their toughest road game this year (vs oregon) they lost. oh what...you're gonna say they pounded arizona st on the road on national tv. arizona st was undefeated through their first 8 games playing a light schedule and then lost against their first real opponent in oregon. kind of like kansas losing to missouri. and then they again lost to another decent opponent in SUC. and then AGAIN got destroyed by texas in their bowl game. and oh, you gonna bring up the rose bowl game? seriously, a 3 loss team from the big 10? i'm supposed to be impressed by that? i'd say SUC is a top 10 team again next year. but putting them ahead of georgia? georgia's returning nearly all their starters including qb. SUC is losing booty, fred davis AND sedrick ellis. so YOU tell me why i should believe SUC should have played for the title this year. and last year. and next year.

and nobody's denying that SUC is ahead of BAMA right now. of course they are. and i'm not picking BAMA to win the title in '09. poised to have the #1 recruiting class this year, i'm saying they'll be a darkhorse team in '09 with most of the tougher games shifting back to BDS. and i think 3-5 years of solid recruiting is kinda inevitable seeing how CNS did in his first full year recruiting.

and who said JPW won't be the qb this year. i said '09 depends on how Star does. JPW won't be around in '09

by BamaFanInCA on Feb 5, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Easy, easy

I never said they were anything as far as #1 this year (did you read my post? LSU is the deserving national champion). I never put them ahead of Georgia. I never said they didn't lose to Stanford. Where did you get all this? Where did all this heat come from?

Dude, I only said that IT'S FOOLISH TO CLAIM THAT USC is, or has been, over-rated the past 6 years.

They've accomplished what they've accomplished on the field. They've lost some, yes. They've won some, yes.

You can question their OOC schedule or that they're playing in a weak conference all you want. Fact is, they are a solid program. Fact is, they beat a few SEC teams, Big 10 teams, and lost to a very good Big 12 team in Texas (but have won vs. OK and Neb).

They didn't belong in the BCS championship this year or the year before. The PAC 10 isn't the strongest conference, the SEC is HANDS DOWN! But even you have to admit, playing teams in conference isn't the easiest thing to do. I'm not excusing losing to fUCLA in 2006, and you won't hear me defending the loss to Stanford 2007- both losses eliminated them from BCS-title contention, no doubt about it. I'm saying don't discount a good team, with decent coaching just to try to make yourself sound intelligent. You don't. Not saying you're not, overall. I don't even know you. But "hating" isn't healthy. Peace be with you BamaFaninCA. Peace.

by tapout on Feb 5, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

peace

i see...you're one of those. an SUC alumnus. well...i guess we're one in the same. i'm a lifelong BAMA fan that's a UCLA alum (rooted for BAMA of course when they played out here against UCLA back in 2000. was a very sad day. stupid deshaun foster). haha. but hey man...no love lost here. i admit it, like i said in my last reply, SUC is a top notch, solid program with great recruits/athletes. cheaty petey has done a fine job (not much competition out here though...till now that is. neuheisel, chow and walker are gonna be dangerous. cheaty petey is already pissing his shorts).

and of course i come off as "unintelligent" in my post. it's natural since my post is fueled by hatred. not only do i have to hear every nat'l and local media outlet drool over them every year (like you said, they deserve SOME of it), but i have to endure their pompous, arrogant, obnoxious fans and alumni (like reggie dush, fatt leinart and meshawn johnson) out here every single year. walking around like they own the city. parading down to westwood all the time because there's nothing to do in south central (btw, it's funny to see SUC students pay all that money to go there, only to come and hang out in westwood). not to mention, half their fans are bandwagon fans. where the hell was will ferrell when they were losing?

anyways, i was hoping to share this hatred with "fellow" BAMA fans. but obviously, seeing that you're an SUC alum, that can't be done.

as for me, i don't enjoy watching SUC, notre lame or the OU spooners doing well...ever.

most nat'l titles since 1936 (inception of AP Poll):

8 - notre lame (although '66 and '77 should have gone to BAMA or at least should have been shared)

7 - Alabama, SUC, OU spooners

i for one want to see BAMA claim the most. but here's to CNS bringing in the #1 recruiting class on both rivals and scout. and nat'l titles in the future. i'm sure both of us can revel in that.

and btw, i didn't masturbate those nat'l title facts in case you were wondering. if i were to masturbate to anything, it would be girl fight '08.

by BamaFanInCA on Feb 5, 2008 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wastewood?

Why would anyone go to Wastewood? Who goes there and for what?

All there is are guys looking at guys?

Clean your pipe out dude. And don't mix your mix. It'll f_ck you up good.

by tapout on Feb 6, 2008 12:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And. . . .

. . .I AM NOT YOUR BUDDY!

LA dude.

by tapout on Feb 5, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hey genius

you're obviously having trouble keeping track of the posts. look at the parent comment before you start blasting off. my comment labeled "not the point buddy" is directed towards bammer. all my arguments in there are to refute what bammer said. i posted it before my response to you, labeled "meant for bammer".

by BamaFanInCA on Feb 5, 2008 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Understood

Question?
Why did you respond "meant for bammer" to my post?
Hit the wrong one? I'll buy that.
You still referred to me (for bammer) in your drivel.

Enough already.
Agree to disagree. Hell yeah!

I formally [UNSUBSCRIBE] to this nonsense. I've said what I need to say. You've said enough.

We good?

I can only hope so.

by tapout on Feb 6, 2008 12:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It helps if you actually read the comments

Read bammers.
Read mine.

Where does one differ from the other?

Have yourself a time-out and get back to me.

Over?

by tapout on Feb 5, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh i'm reading the comments

i think you're the one having trouble figuring out which comment/reply goes with which post. maybe your masturbating is affecting your train of thought?

my "tangential" points as you call them are always directed to a specific point in your response. cause you see, when i reply to a comment, i make sure that i'm reading the comment as i'm typing my response. you do know that the comment you click "reply" to is shown above the section where you write your response, right?

by BamaFanInCA on Feb 5, 2008 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're funny

Next time come up with your own put-downs and stop humping off mine.

Get off my nuts already. I'm not that freaky. (now if you saunter on down to my thighs???? they like to be kissed when you finish off things up there)

Dude, I'm tired. You're irrelevant. And I haven't finished watching TiVo'd fucla LOSS to 'SC a few weeks ago.

Agree to disagree, it's a phrase that can also be your friend dude.

[UNSUBSCRIBE. AGAIN]

by tapout on Feb 6, 2008 12:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

BIG day

i'm fine ending it here. you got in your last shots, let's leave it that. in the end all that matters on this BAMA blog site is that BAMA will have the #1 recruiting class today. hopefully we can both be happy with that.

by BamaFanInCA on Feb 6, 2008 2:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

SOS

I think it was pretty well said above. I agreed that USC was a little overrated this year, but you cannot discount what they have done since Carrol got there.

You also want to speak about the strength of schedule. I would take the out-of-confrence schedule that USC is putting out over the one Alabama is putting out any day of the week. Is there anyone who would not love to see UA go and play a big time program from another confrence? USC and OSU will be playing against each other this year. It will probably be one of the most hyped games of the year. It would be awesome to see Alabama do the same. I will say that it looks like Alabama is starting to take the necessary steps to improve our out of confrence schedule now that Saban is there.

by kennybk483 on Feb 5, 2008 10:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs