Going Deeper On Jimmy Johns
I think it's fair to say that the news on Jimmy Johns hit us all like a freight train, myself included. Personally, I could barely even believe what I was reading when I first saw the news posted here on RBR. I think we all new that Johns had some character concerns, and those who follow the Tide closely are sure to know that he spent time in the doghouse of both Shula and Saban, but no one would have ever predicted anything like this. It's hard to even know where to start on the subject, but we'll start with the facts of the situation and try to work our way from there.
According to Captain Jeff Snyder, commander of the Alabama Narcotics Task Force, the investigation into Johns began a few months back, though he never gave an exact date. The task force had apparently received information from several different sources that Johns was involved in the distribution of cocaine, and this put the wheels in motion. Finally, a couple of weeks ago, undercover officers began attempting to purchase drugs from Johns, and were successfully able to do so on five different occasions. Two sales occurred at Johns' residence, two sales occurred on the campus of the University of Alabama, and one sale occurred via a car-to-car transaction at an undisclosed location.
Yesterday, Johns had been participating in the off-season S&C program at the UA Athletic Complex, and once he finished his workout he headed home. On the way home, Johns stopped to get gasoline at a gas station near his apartment, and it was there that officers made the arrest. He accompanied the officers back to his apartment where they executed a search warrant, and it was there that they found more cocaine and eight or nine ecstasy pills. After the arrest, Johns was charged with five counts of distribution of a controlled substance, and one count of possession of a controlled substance. Johns is currently being held in the Tuscaloosa County Jail on $120,000 bond.
According to Snyder, Johns had been selling cocaine mainly to University of Alabama students.Moreover, Snyder expressed surprise at how quickly they were able to buy cocaine from Johns, and also expressed surprise that they did not find out that Johns had been selling cocaine at an earlier date. Snyder also stated that Johns was not reluctant to sell drugs to new customers.
However, Snyder also did say that he went out of his way to ensure that his Alabama teammates did not find out about his illicit activities. To date in the investigation, there is no evidence whatsoever that any other Alabama football player had any explicit knowledge of Johns' activities, much less were involved in those activities. According to Snyder, Johns' source was apparently someone outside the UA community.
Those are the facts as we know them to date. But what does all of it mean?
For Johns, it means very bad things. The distribution of a controlled substance is a very serious charge, and at this point it seems like a foregone conclusion that he will spend many, many years in prison. Yes I am aware that you are innocent until proven guilty, but that's pretty much a meaningless concept when you sell illegal street drugs on five different occasions to undercover police officers. As sad as it is to say, Johns will probably be doing fairly well if he sees the light of day again before he turns 30. It's just a terrible situation for him, and the consequences will be unimaginable.
And things for him may get much worse. At the moment all of these charges are state charges, but they could very easily turn into federal charges, where the punishment would be much tougher and where there would be no chance of plea bargaining. In this day and age, even the slightest interstate contact -- such as, for example, a phone call placed by Johns to a contact in Mississippi regarding the distribution of cocaine -- could easily be enough to invoke federal jurisdiction. I imagine that if the Feds want to get in on this case, they can easily do it. And, making matters even worse, the sale of drugs in a school zone will only bring tougher punishment. Again, things for him may very well get much worse. For better or for worse, we do live in a society today where it is relatively common to see drug distributors get even longer prison sentences than murderers.
Coach Saban acted quickly once the news broke. He was gone on vacation but he quickly dismissed Johns from the football team. It was obviously the right move by our beloved Nicktator, but it was also a pointless one. The situation with Jimmy Johns is completely above and beyond the control of a mere football coach, regardless of how well-known and highly-regarded that football coach may be. It wouldn't have mattered if Saban had came out in full support of Johns and talking about how he would be starting against Clemson... that would not have changed the harsh reality that Johns faces by one iota. Saban's dismissal of Johns was a needed gesture, but also an ultimately meaningless one. Again, multiple accounts of distribution of a controlled substance far surpass the realm of a mere football coach.
On the football field, the loss of Johns is likely a relatively small loss, and perhaps not even a loss at all. A couple of weeks ago I stated in the first RBR chat that I expected Johns to start this year against Clemson, but his absence probably doesn't change anything in terms of production. With Johns gone, the starting job will now just pass on, likely, to either Donta' Hightower or Jerrell Harris. Bottom line, we'll replace a highly talented but wholly inexperienced linebacker with yet another highly talented but wholly inexperienced linebacker. And it may actually help us. I don't know if I would go as far as to say that Johns was a cancer, but he clearly did have some character problems, and any reduction in the overall number of character cases that we have is a positive for the program as a whole.
But it seems quite shrill to talk about football in a time like this. Football is a wonderful game, but at the end of the day it is just a game, and you should never lose sight of the fact that there are real people lying underneath those helmets and pads. Considering that this young man may have lost his freedom until the time his hair starts to turn gray, I think we should just leave the football talk at that. Regardless of the impact on our 2008 season, it's just a game, and in the big picture it really does not matter one way or the other.
And call me a homer if you want, but I really don't think Johns is a bad kid. He has never done anything violent, and to my knowledge -- despite a suspension for not attending class -- he actually kept his academics in order as well. Moreover, there has been no evidence whatsoever to state that he was actually a drug user, and in all honesty he probably wasn't. As someone pointed out in the comments of the earlier Johns thread, dealers actually tend to stay away from consumption because it cuts into profit margins. Usually drug dealers aren't in it for the drugs, they are in it for the money -- the drugs themselves are generally nothing more than a way to get the money. Again, call me a homer if you wish, but I figure that Johns was nothing more than a dumb kid who was attracted to the big money that seemingly comes so easy in the drug trade. It's hard to imagine how he could have been so naive to think he would not get caught, considering how high-profile of a figure he was, but apparently he was. At the end of the day it's all just hard to believe, it's like one bad dream.
To close, I'll say this: I still support Jimmy. At one time we all expected him to be a legend at Alabama, and obviously that did not work out. He made some terrible decisions, and he will pay for them in ways we cannot possibly imagine. With all of the problems that he has right now, he doesn't need me or anyone else making matters worse by spewing pointless vitriol. He was a naive kid who made an unbelievably dumb mistake and nothing more, let's just leave it at that. A lot of people will certainly criticize him and further demean him, but you won't hear it from me. I am truly saddened that it ever came to this, for Jimmy or anyone else who has faced his plight, and I sincerely hope he can get his life back together. For all of his faults and all of his mistakes, I still support Jimmy.
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sad sad day
Basically the kids life is ruined, additionally his youth is ruined, All the wonderful experiences that would lie ahead of him are lost, When he gets out he will be old, and virtually unemployable. He has only himself to blame, I have to wonder if he is mentally healthy as there was virtually no chance of someone as famous as him selling drugs and getting away with it.
Great Write Up
And I agree in general. However, when you got to, “Moreover, there has been no evidence whatsoever to state that he was actually a drug user, and in all honesty he probably wasn’t.” I thought that was odd. It seems like you are saying that while he may have been a drug dealer, at least he wasn’t a drug user. Like being a user is worse than being a dealer.
Well said OTL
I don’t think I could add any words to what you have already said. Your are completely right, and I hope people will look past the football aspect of this, (which hearing from other CLASSLESS fans in this state, they won’t do), and remember a young man just ruined his life with very bad choices. I too am still hoping this man can be rehabiltiated after paying his debt for his crime. My prayers go out to him and his family.
The perception of the school
I have two concerns with this situation. First, I hope that the icy fingers of this run no deeper into the football program. Second, from a parent’s point of view I would hope that the Narcs in place will bust heck out of all those who are selling drugs on the campus or in Tuscaloosa period. I would hope this not have a negative impact on future recruiting, who wants to send their son to a school where there is the perception of easily obtained drugs, even for regular students!
Bad link
Sorry guys, that was a bad link. Try this one www.jimmyjohnspitbulls.com . When you get there click on the logo to access the site.
I saw that...
The side is down now, but I did see it. I’m not really sure what to make of it.
Pit bulls are often, obviously, used for dog fighting, but that’s not always the case. A lot of times they are just raised to be pets and people enjoy them in that manner. So, I don’t know.
That said, it’s all a moot point now.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 25, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You are right
It doesn’t prove anything or really say anything for that matter. It just seems like it would be an NCAA problem considering he is clearly using his player status to promote a private enterprise. You are right though, it is a moot point and I don’t really see any reason to just keep kicking a guy when he is down. Even if he put himself down. You and I would have to agree to disagree regarding support for JJ. I, like you, hope that he gets his life together AFTER he pays the piper. That kind of sounds like what you meant anyway. I, like many, have been affected by the bystander’s results of drug addiction. Family members get addicted and the ones around them tend to pay the price so I have very little use for drug dealers.
I know that the person to blame is the user first however I have seen first hand the tactics these dealers use when a person is trying to get off of it. Not me, a family member. I am only addicted to football… well cigarettes, and maybe midget porn but the point is you have people trying to get off of this stuff and dealers are continuously bringing samples so that they don’t lose a customer. I guess I am a bit biased though. I am a little bored with this continuously being called a “mistake”. A mistake is when you bounce a check. This was an ongoing diliberate act.
I would like to say while I have your attention that I love your commentary and analysis. I have been visiting RBR for some time now but only signed up yesterday. I would love to see you get a contract type job sports writing because your analysis is very informative. Most sports writers today are just keeping this Jerry Springer kind of crap going and that just gets old. I would much prefer to read your analysis than say Finebaum or anything on ESPN. Keep up the good work.
by LifelongBammer on Jun 25, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
After...
Right… after.
I certainly do hope he gets his life together, but he has to pay the piper first. On a political note, I am not a supporter of must drug laws (it’s the libertarian in me, I suppose), but even so the law is the law, and it must be obeyed. Those who violate must pay society, and that goes for Johns. Again, I hope he gets his life back together, but he has to serve his time first.
And thank you for the compliments on the writing. They are much appreciated.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 25, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me see if I've got this straight...
HE’S A FREAKING DRUG DEALER. But I’m sure he feels secure in the warm embrace of your support. I’m sure that, if your son or daughter (God forbid) sought out his services, or hopped in a car with Kenny Stabler, they’d both remember that the Bama Nation supports them and understands their plight and would be immediately deterred from their self-destructive behavior.
As far as his “plight” goes… If you throw in a free education and a chance to make more money than he’s ever dreamed of in the long term, weighed against his current desire (note that I didn’t use “need”) for money, you might be able to dry out his “plight” and fertilize your yard.
Lots of kids from crushing poverty play college sports and manage to scrape by without slinging the rock (pun intended) A couple of them probably play in Tuscaloosa. Stop acting as enablers for criminals that make those kids look bad.
And while we’re on the subject of looking bad, please define “bad kid”, since federal drug charges don’t seem to make the cut.
i'm gonna be a pedant
He wasn’t slinging rock; the charge is selling powder.
I support the kid getting his life back together. I don’t support selling drugs. I don’t support having him on the team. I support not acting like he murdered somebody. I also support not feeding the trolls, but I’m not very good at that . . . (joined RBR on 6/25 just to comment, slams Kenny Stabler, etc.).
Never quit. It is the easiest cop-out in the world.
I'll know next time...
I didn’t realize that I needed to be vetted by the regulars before I called a drug dealer a drug dealer and an alcoholic an alcoholic. I signed up because I wanted to comment on all the “support” good ‘ol Jimmy seems to be pulling together.
I was just hoping you (collectively) would be incredibly P.O’d that this clown would take the amazing passion and abundant goodwill of Bama Nation and crap on it. If this guy had been arrested down the street from a school in your town, for the same crime, and had no connection to the University, would you be as supportive? Would you be as hopeful for his rehabilitation and return to society as a productive citizen? In the Christian sense, I hope so, but in reality you’ll have to forgive my skepticism .
I also didn’t really expect anyone on this post to look at this objectively, but I’ve been surprised by a few of y’all (bamavicki) and not so surprised by others. “Slingin’ the powder” just doesn’t have the same ring to it. At least he’s a shrewd bidnessman. Gotta know your customers. Rock don’t sell to the Greeks…
Hope for Redemption
You take your point too far. No one said he was a victim. No one said he shouldn’t serve time. No one has made excuses for what he did or attempted to downplay the seriousness of his actions. He will deserve the punishment he gets, but I hope that one day he can at least partially redeem himself and live a worthwhile life.
Jimmy will get his deserved punishment from the criminal justice system, but condeming him to the 9th ring of hell serves no productive purpose. We should wish well even for people who do terrible things, and hope that they can some day redeem themselves.
This is old news to most in Tuscaloosa...
although the frequency of his dealing is somewhat staggering. Having spent the last seven years in Tuscaloosa, drug dealing is certainly nothing new to the football team. Not to mention that anyone who has gone to the Downs pool in the last three years has seen Johns hanging out with his entourage and leaving every 30 minutes or so to conduct business. At some point, though, I really thought that maybe he would stop with the new coaching philosophy.
While I’m on it, most people are using this as an opportunity to blast the discipline of Saban and his staff. These claims are ridiculous. Ignore them. Anyone who thinks that their coach can stop someone who is slinging cocaine on a federal level probably also thinks that their team doesn’t violate NCAA rules.
I don't know...
...who Stan34 is, OTS, but I have to agree with him. I am the biggest homer alive and I would NEVER say I support Jimmy Johns. You have a totally misguided thought process going on. You can’t just say he made a mistake. This goes way beyond that and there is no possible circumstance to justify what he did. Yes, I would like for him to someday get out of jail and lead a productive life, but I don’t feel sorry for him. He made a conscious choice to screw up his life and in the process embarrass the university that was giving him a free ride and an opportunity to have a successful life. I saw a few interviews with Jimmy and thought he seemed like a polite, sweet kid who was trying his hardest to find his place on our football team. I’m sure he was frustrated to have so much raw talent and yet not see it materialize into productive play. You use the word “naive”. Come on, he was downright f*ing STUPID. He was very well known. This was the only way his dealing could ever end up. What is surprising, based on MANY reports of knowledge of his activities, is that it didn’t happen sooner. There’s also no way some others on the team were unaware and you can take that to the bank. Buying or using, though, I hope to God not.
"I hate everything orange"
It's all about Crimson - ROLL TIDE!!!
Support...
I hope you all keep in mind that I am not condoning what Jimmy did, or making excuses for him. Obviously he messed up in a huge way, and he will get the punishment for it, end of story. I am just saying that in terms of getting his life back together, I support him and wish nothing but the best for him from here on out.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 25, 2008 2:56 PM CDT reply actions
Just curious...
OTS,
Did you ever make jokes about “Robert Baker the License Plate Maker”? He was only charged with one count of trafficking cocaine and two counts of distribution of cocaine.
Just wondering if your “support” is peering through crimson glasses…
Bear in mind here that I’m actually a UGA fan… I’m just glad our players prefer drinking and driving scooters. Not condoning, just happy no narcotics trafficking has been uncovered. Drinking and scooter driving is bad, mmmkay? Seriously.
Dude, I would so talk smack to you...
but the fact that you guys are gonna kill us this year is reason enough for me to keep my mouth shut. I do think you are taking what OTS said out of context, as he explained in his post a few moments ago. And thinking that this sort of thing does not go on at most schools is, well, naive. Just like drinking and driving scooters. You’ve been watching Scrubs, huh?
Roll Tide, Bitches!!!
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 25, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you ever make jokes about “Robert Baker the License Plate Maker”? He was only charged with one count of trafficking cocaine and two counts of distribution of cocaine. Just wondering if your “support” is peering through crimson glasses…
I felt the same way about Baker. It’s a shame to see anyone throw their life away, especially one filled with so much opportunity, regardless of what color or jersey he wears, or if he’s even a football player or not. That doesn’t make the least bit of difference.
At this point, Johns just has to hope he is as fortunate as Baker was. He was sentenced to 15 years in prison, but barely served a year before being released. He actually ended up playing several years in the NFL and the CFL, and he’s now pursuing a career in rap. Not bad for a guy who wasn’t expecting to get out of prison until 2013.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 25, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I got what you were saying, OTS.
It is a sad situation, because this isn’t someone just getting into trouble at the club, or not going to class. This is a completely different circumstance, an absolute life-altering event.
That being said, Vicki is right. He is f*cking stupid. While never at the poverty levels he came from, I had a rough start in college but made it through fine without resorting to federal crime. Most college students are content getting by on ramen noodles and natural light, but in today’s society of instant gratification, it is all about satisfying ourselves immediately with what we want, rather than what we need. JJ seemed to have some mental/attitude issues, and was not able to see the whole picture of what he was getting out of the experience (education, name recognition). Regardless, he definitely will get what he deserves, for throwing away athletic ability, a free ride, and embarrassing millions of fans, many who supported him over the past three years.
While I am schocked and embarassed, I am not surprised. It is the result of the general lack of discipline our program has endured over the past ten years (starting with Dubose). Saban is a tough cookie, but it will still take another year for the remnants of those horrid years to be purged from our celebrated tradition.
Roll Tide, Bitches!!!
i gotta disagree
Trust me. This is not a lack of discipline. We’ve had Coach Saban for well over a year . . . and Jimmy Johns has, as far as we know, been doing it AT LEAST the past two weeks.
So it ain’t discipline. We can’t code-pin this on Coach Shula. This is character.
Again, I support the kid-and he is just a kid-in getting his life back together. But there are things bigger than him. Number one, the law. Number two, the Crimson Tide.
Never quit. It is the easiest cop-out in the world.
I agree that it is his character
but look at his attitude issues with Shula. And you gotta admit there was not much discipline from Shula, and that with Saban it is completely different. I am not code-pining anything on Shula, in fact, where in my post did I point to Shula as the problem for JJ? I will say that it is apparant, and history has shown, that Shula didn’t worry too much about character. And it shows with ten arrests the past year.
The point is JJ has been given chance after chance, and yet he still did some stupid shit. That is on him. The coach doesn’t matter in the sense they cannot follow these kids around. Point being, a kid with these kind of character issues would have not been recruited by Saban.
Roll Tide, Bitches!!!
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 25, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what "support" means in this context
I find that I, too, am embarrassed by Johns’ actions. But that’s just my ego, I reckon.
I do find it interesting – this question of discipline. Of course Saban can’t stop anyone from selling cocaine – but I wonder about a team that’s allowing one of their starters to distribute drugs. I really find it difficult to believe that nobody else knew; by its very nature, the drug trade relies on word-of-mouth.
Whups - About this being "just football"
Sorry – forgot about this part.
I actually find Johns’ actions more objectionable because he’s a member of the Crimson Tide, rather than seeing that as a mitigating factor.
One’s circumstances are one’s own business. If Mr. Johns wants to throw his own life away, that’s entirely his affair – and if others want to buy his powdered poison, that’s their business as well. However, to besmirch the good name of the team, and to impair its functioning is to impact the innocent – which includes, BTW, a gazillion fans.
I’ll shut up now : )
I Believe....
1. JJ is an idiot, plain and simple. You’ve been handed and gift most of us true fans would give anything for, a chance to play for Bama, not to mention the awesome God given abilities of an athlete, and he pissed it away. For what, powdered poison.
2. Yea, it ticks me off because we are short handed at linebacker and this looked like his best opportunity to finally contribute in a positive way and I believe we all hoped he would.
3. Yea, it ticks me off further (STAN34) because I have to read and hear this crap on the radio and from aubies and the rest of the SEC, about it. Things like the Miami connection has come to Tuscaloosa, he and Nick must have been working this together.
And endless mindless dribble for feeble minds with nothing else better to do than talk, talk and blah blah blah. So yea, I’m ticked.
4. It’s one more embarrassing moment that I believe we have all had ENOUGH of.
5. JJ is and was a drug dealer, and by the Judicial System he will get whats coming to him.
6. My support for his comes as a Christian and I want him to serve his time and make a life for himself after that.
7. That others should not confuse support as a human being as condoning, enabling or looking past his actions. They are dispicable and if any other player is involved in any way, then he should be gone also.
8. It is time to clean up, clean out and move forward. GOD, when do we play football.
A rant on Tradition
I agree with thronedoggie, who eloquently states the way I have often felt about recent Alabama football scandals dating back to the Juwan Simpson affair, but I would also include some older scandals that I really just tried to ignore like Dubose’s entire time as head coach, Mike Price, Sylvester Croom (not being hired, and the stupid mistake of changing that Spring award), Albert Means and the NCAA scandal. Come on, people. These things are indicative of the lack of respect for the dignity and tradition that is a marvelled program like Alabama. I remember Bear, and I thought about starting a thread when RollBamaRoll had that thread. Alabama had a powerful mystique. Steely Dan was writing songs about the team, and I remember seeing John Hall of Hall and Oates wearing an Alabama sweatshirt. We were loved by the entire nation. And what has happened over the last 25 years, is that college football players now don’t remember it, and with no awareness of it, have no respect for it. The internet and information is pervasive, and with every new sin, our programs inches another step towards complete and total deterioration. I implore the rest of the fans here at RollBamaRoll, especially of to those who are students, or may actually be players. Stop this slippery slope. You are living my dream. I remember Peter Kim saying that he grew up his whole life hoping that he would one day come to Alabama and play football for Coach Bryant. I remember when Auburn had the Eric Ramsey debaucle and Alabama fans could proudly say that Alabama had never been investigated by the NCAA.
Perspective Jimmy Johns was only 5 years old when Gene Stallings won our last national Championship.
What I lament most about Prothro’s injury is that I really believed that we were back that year. I was so happy for the first 3 hours of that Florida game. We had a great year, and I was proud of the team.
I’m glad Shula’s gone, though, and I am elated that we have Saban. But it really doesn’t sound like he is able to get into Shula’s players heads. Those players are dwindling, and I hope he will have total leadership. And with his ambition, I believe he won’t stop until he gets that blank space for the next statue.
As for Jimmy Johns, Stan34 is right when he says we would feel differently if he was just a guy down the street. I wouldn’t even be aware of the guy down the street because I don’t have a daughter, and frankly I don’t care enough to watch the local news on that subject. However, I hope all drug dealers get their lives back together. I believe that Jimmy Johns got lost in the coaching change (DJ, also).
The reason that we are all upset is because he is soiling the image of our beloved, revered, program. That was the only problem I had with Clinton when he lied under oath. Same problem when Tyson bit that guys ear and completely ruined boxing.
Saban needs to get through to the players that this thing is bigger than their indiviuals needs, but if they give it everything, it will reward them ten times over. I wonder if another Alabama quarterback will ever win the Superbowl. Is our program no better than Mississippi State? Are we going to beat Auburn this year? Phil Fulmer is laughing at us. How much more do we have to take?
We really need a good season, and I, too, can’t wait for football to start.
I think one of the biggest reasons everyone is so upset...
...besides the “soiling of the tradition/image of the Alabama” aspect is that we all had such high hopes for Johns and, for whatever stupid reasons, we were all kind of emotionally attached to him and really wanted him to succeed. Then we find out he’s been a drug dealer this whole time, and it feels like a personal betrayal as opposed to “stupid football player done bad.”

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