Come one, come all...
I love how he's still desperately clinging to the mere whiff of unethical behavior in this. "Gaming the system" is like, so totally wrong and stuff, even though it meant Saban found a way for seniors that most other coaches would have normally given the "look, you've got your degree, you're not going to get any playing time, and we need your scholarship..." speech to actually stay on scholarship.
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And while I'm at it, I'll take JCCW to task a little for completely misunderstanding and using some convenient out of context quoting to paint Bama fans as naive over Brandon Lewis failing to qualify. The only thing confusing about a kid who didn't get his grades up in time to report with everyone else, and therefor most likely to be the low man on the totem pole when the grey shirts start coming out, not being in Tuscaloosa right now is that he chose to go to a JUCO instead of Hargrave (a prep school) as was previously reported. Had he gone to Hargrave, he could have joined the team after the fall, but at a JUCO he will actually have to graduate before he can transfer. It's possible Saban misspoke (as OTS pointed out), and that Lewis is still planning on heading to Hargrave, or it's also possible that prep-school just wasn't an option in a financial sense and he and his family decided the JUCO route was the one that best fit their situation. Either way, it's more than a little disingenous to start acting like we are sticking our heads in the sand over why Lewis didn't report with the rest of the freshmen.
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if only...
the saban had the ethics of say…rich rod, the bama program would really be heading in the right direction.
/sarcasm
by gerry dorsey on Jun 26, 2008 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious...
So when it becomes entirely obvious that there will be no roster cuts, now this fatass finally retracts his earlier ludicrous statements, but now questions things on the basis of medical scholarships of “dubious merit.” Well, I’m glad he decided to put on his Surgeon General cap and give us all some medical advice…
Either way, I will say the following
- He’s still an idiot
- He still looks like a candidate for a sex-change operation (and no, I don’t know in which direction)
- He still needs a haircut
- Go Buckeyes!
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 26, 2008 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am going to cut Brian some slack
No, just kidding. SUX to be you!
I am sure every Alabama fan is so happy that Jimmy Johns was caught dealing drugs outside of the football complex. I hear OTL and Todd were the two informants on Johns!
Nothing like getting an arrogant ass to give even a half apology. I was sure there was going to be the typical redneck and inbred comments in there when I was reading it, though I am sure they will continue in the comments section once the Michigan fans stop by our blog.
In the words of Shaq “tell me how my ass taste.”
I am done gloating!
by Kenny483 on Jun 26, 2008 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did John Lennon and Yoko Ono have a son?
If they did, and he sat on his arse all day eating Twinkies and spouting off about shyte he knows nothing about, ... he would look just like Brian Cook.
Nothing against Lennon, I am a fan myself, but that is just the first impression that popped into my head.
BamaFrazier
by BamaFrazier on Jun 26, 2008 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Serious note...
On a more serious note regarding the Fulmer Cup…
Reasons like that are exactly why we oversigned in the first place. It doesn’t take a Harvard grad to figure out that we have / had a ton of character cases on our roster, and Saban, by oversigning, rightly bet that a few of them would screw up in a big way and get kicked off the team, thus freeing up scholarships.
Of course he didn’t know that the Elder / Johns situation would work out like it did, but again, he made a fairly safe bet that we would have a few guys screw up somewhere along the way, and that we would oversign to help account for the lost scholarships from those guys.
That’s not unethical, that’s just a damn good strategy and a very good awareness of one’s on roster, including its problems and shortcomings.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 26, 2008 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously folks...
...I know this blog and Cook have locked horns in the past, but let’s leave the personal stuff out. Counter/attack his arguments all you want, but attacking what someone looks like is childish.
by Nico2.0 on Jun 26, 2008 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Nico
making fun of someone’s looks just smacks of Internet Tough Guy™, and we should be better than that. We don’t tear down goalposts after a big win, we shouldn’t pick on someone because of an internet photo. It’s below us.
I'm in no condition to drive...wait! I shouldn't listen to myself, I'm drunk.
by That Other Dave on Jun 26, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Todd
I had promised not to mention him on our site again, and was close to breaking said promise with Cook’s recent comments. Now I don’t have to.
I really wish he would expound on the medical schollies he thinks are “dubious”, and which of the players are deadweight.
It’s still the height of hypocrisy that he’s going after Saban so hard, yet has all but pledged his first-born to Pretty-Soon-Won’t-Be-As-Rich-Rod
by Crimson Daddy on Jun 26, 2008 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Question...
Does Cook receive money or something from how many hits his website gets? Is that why he stirs the pot, so others will put up the link to his site and we all go over there to read the latest garbage from this ignoramus? Does he need readership so badly that he is willing to let everyone in on the fool he is? Just askin’.
"I hate everything orange"
It's all about Crimson - ROLL TIDE!!!
by bamavicki on Jun 26, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed and...
...good if it helps RBR. On another Michigan note, did you know the M Zone was no more?
"I hate everything orange"
It's all about Crimson - ROLL TIDE!!!
by bamavicki on Jun 26, 2008 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I did...
...and that’s really sad. They were a personal favorite and one of the funniest blogs around.
by Todd on Jun 26, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just goes to show...
...what you guys do is not easy and takes a lot of time. I don’t know how Yost did it alone for so long and had a life too(or maybe he didn’t). I found the M Zone because of those Bear cartoons. Funny stuff.
"I hate everything orange"
It's all about Crimson - ROLL TIDE!!!
by bamavicki on Jun 26, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sucks. The M-Zone
was an awesome blog, even if it was Michigan. Plus, they gave Auburn shit like no other.
As for Cook, I have no idea what he looks like but I don’t care. He is a pompous bastard, almost as much so as Bill Curry, who by the way is an arrogant bastard prick.
Roll Tide, Bitches!!!
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 26, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well.... crap.
M Zone was a great site. yost’s unique voice shall be missed come september.
by kleph on Jun 26, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for those interested...
the hairy one, 2nd from the left
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/homer2931/zoltans-parents-yo.jpg
Enjoy.
by formerlyanonymous on Jun 26, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We are getting upset over what THAT GUY
said?
Roll Tide, Bitches!!!
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 26, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just stopped caring
about anything brian cook has to say b/c he has to go through life as that guy. my condolences.
by gerry dorsey on Jun 26, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Major lol'z
Roll Tide, Bitches!!!
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 26, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judging from that picture ....
birth was the time Cook will ever see female genitalia. Yes, I stole the line from triumph the insult dog at a star wars convention but it sure applies here.
by heffie on Jun 26, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Todd, you’re obviously more than within your rights to take issue with my portrayal of Tide fans’ response to Lewis’s disqualification. It’s not flattering and I don’t blame you for standing up for them.
But I have to say, I don’t see how I’ve “completely misunderstood” OTS’s take on this situation or resorted to “convenient out of context quoting.” This is the passage of OTS’s I’m referring to, in its entirety:
Coach Saban announced that Lewis was enrolling in a junior college for the summer, and that he would not be at Alabama this Fall. And this one really has me dumbfounded, to put it mildly.First and foremost, this one never made sense to me. Everyone thought he would qualify with no problems, and then the news came out that the NCAA Clearinghouse rejected a high ACT score from him because it was too big of a jump, and that he was going to Hargrave. But why? He could have still taken the ACT again at that point, so why not do that?
And now we have Coach Saban saying that he is going to junior college. But of course with him at a JUCO, he must graduate there first. And there were previous reports that he was going to enroll at Hargrave, a prep school. Obviously prep school would be preferred to a JUCO, so why didn’t he go that route? Prep schools give out scholarships, but perhaps he came onto the scene too late for that? Perhaps his family couldn’t afford the cost of a prep school - and they are extremely pricey - and a JUCO was a more affordable solution. On the other hand, though, Saban did not name the JUCO he had enrolled at, so perhaps he simply misspoke?
I’ll be honest, I have no clue on this one.
You say “the only confusing thing” is that Lewis is allegedly heading to JUCO instead of Hargrave, but that second paragraph makes it look pretty clear to me that OTS is confused about why he didn’t qualify in the first place: “Everyone thought he would qualify with no problems” and the point about Lewis not re-taking the ACT, for instance. It’s true that I focused on Lewis’s initial failure to qualify rather than the Hargrave/JUCO decision, but it sure looks like OTS is unsure about what happened on both ends. If that’s the case, I haven’t “completely misunderstood” OTS’s position, have I?
As for the quotes, the three I pulled were “dumbfounded,” “never made sense,” and “no clue.” I read “dumbfounded” and “no clue” as references to the entire situation and I think “never made sense” clearly refers to Lewis’s initial failure to qualify. The point was to illustrate that OTS was confused about Lewis’s situation, and he was, in fact, confused, right? Maybe OTS meant “dumbfounded” to refer to the JUCO decision specifically, but have I really quoted him out of context so badly it’s necessary to “take me to task”?
I couldn’t care less about these kinds of complaints coming from most places, but I think I’ve made clear on multiple occasions that I think enough of this site that if you guys have an issue with me, then it needs to be addressed. If I felt like I’d written something misleading or based on a false understanding, I’d redact it.
But I’ve got to say, I don’t see how that’s the case here.
by JCCW Jerry on Jun 26, 2008 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Lewis
JCCW,
I actually find you rather fair minded. I think the complaint was how you referenced Brandon Lewis’ s inability to qualify. You seemed to infer right or wrong that there was some potential underhandedness. You were inferring that the coaching staff may have forced him to go the JUCO route because of scholarship limits. Without trying to speak for anyone at RBR I think the initial article was much more innocent than that. If you read your article it comes across like you are looking for a conspiracy where there would appear to be none. Is it not much more likely that a player did not get the passing grades or the passing test score, than everything being a massive conspiracy by the coaching staff and the University of Alabama to delay one players enrollment?
by Kenny483 on Jun 26, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought...
I agree with Kenny.
Granted I may have interpreted your entry wrong, Jerry, but it just seemed like you were trying to read something sinister into it, when that was certainly not what I was getting at. Admittedly I do not understand the situation with Lewis, and was very adamant about that, but with that said I don’t see any reason to read anything sinister into it unless you start with the assumption that Saban is evil and we are trying to do something underhanded all along.
I think that’s largely what Todd was getting at, and that’s largely my reservation with it too.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 26, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all...
...I want to apologize for lumping this criticism in with a post about Cook, whom none of us like or respect, as opposed to you, whom we actually do like and respect, and it was for that reason that I almost didn’t throw it in there. Still, though, my choler was up, and he linked to you in his piece so I figured that it should be addressed as well. My point was that the overall tone of OTS’s post (which is how I read it, he can certainly jump in let us all know straight from the horse’s mouth what he meant) was a beffudlement about the way Lewis was treated by the NCAA and then the whole JUCO or prep school thing. With Cook having previously insinuated that Saban would find ways to make sure guys didn’t qualify if their qualifying didn’t fit his plans, as opposed to simply greyshirting them, it’s easy to try and use Lewis as an example of something sinister going on and painting us as “unwilling to put the 2s together” over it, when the simple fact is he wasn’t cleared by the NCAA for whatever dubious reasons the NCAA always seems to have. Maybe the “out of context” quoting accusation was a little uncalled for, but by simply stating “OTS was dumfounded, etc” without expounding upon the whole situation (i.e. the perplexing nature of the NCAA’s treatment and the differences in JUCO and prep school recruits) seemed like you were trying to imply that he and, by extension, we were putting our heads in the sand and not acknowledging what, at least to Cook and to our rivals, should be “plainly obvious, that Lewis was jerked around at Saban’s behest and won’t be reporting in the fall because Saban doesn’t have a place for him, therefor Saban is evil.” Which, I’m certainly not above saying that since Lewis wasn’t cleared quickly enough, he didn’t take the ACT again to try and qualify and instead took the JUCO (or prep school?) route instead of greyshirting, but the fact remains that the biggest amount of confusion regarding Lewis is the Man…or Astro-Man? JUCO or prep school issue here since it isn’t confusing that he isn’t qualified. That’s just plain fact. Why they rejected him might not make sense, but it’s done, and that’s where the confusion begins. Anyway, hopefully my objections are a little clearer here.
by Todd on Jun 26, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off...
No need to apologize for responding to me in this post. It’s the same subject, it’s the same post of mine Brian quoted. It’d be silly to spend a whole second post airing a grievance with me and as I said, I’ve got no gripe with the “Hey, we we’re not naive” aspect of it.
Kenny, I would certainly agree with you that it’s much more likely that Lewis simply flunked in some fashion—that’s exactly what I wrote, in fact, though Brian didn’t quote that part of it.
My point-and it’s one I stand by, even if I could have explained it more clearly-was that whether there’s been any “sinister” doings or not (and again, I agree the likely answer is “not”), the scholarship crunch is going to create the appearance of them whenever a scholarship is freed up by means that aren’t easily explained. I would argue this looks like a “2 and 2” situation, though-as I said-I don’t blame ‘Bama fans for not seeing it that way.
If you want to argue there’s no “2 and 2” to begin with, that’s of course fine with me. Fair game. That’s what I would expect. But I’m not pretending there’s any evidence of anything “sinister” and I’d like to think I haven’t misquoted or misunderstood anyone’s position. That’s it.
by JCCW Jerry on Jun 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate...
...the clarification.
by Kenny483 on Jun 27, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oversigning
The other thing that irritates me, especially from Auburn fans is the fact that Auburn has done the same thing. Auburn has oversigned nearly every year over the last 6 or 7 years. They even signed 30 players in 2007. These same insinuations could be made about Auburn as well as many other programs.
by Kenny483 on Jun 27, 2008 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But it is in fashion now
to say things like that about Alabama and, especially, Saban. It isn’t a matter of what’s right, wrong, or fair, it is how quickly guys like Cook and other Bama/Saban detractors can dig up dirt (when there isn’t any) and plant conspiracy theories (again, when there isn’t any).
This isn’t the CIA, ladies and gentlemen. It is Alabama football. Leave the conspiracy theories at the door and how about some of these media and blog-authors look for and report the truth, as well as editorial, without trying to destroy a program that, for some reason, they seem to be out to get.
Roll Tide, Bitches!!!
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 27, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll see if I can find it,
but Brian did call out Auburn in 07 (as an avid reader of his, I remember seeing it, I’ve just got to find it). It didn’t turn into as big of an issue for a few reasons:
1) AOL didn’t demand as stupid of topics then
2) No Auburn blog either read it or cared to comment, resulting in no blog fight.
by formerlyanonymous on Jun 27, 2008 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Merit
There is some general merit to the idea that there are college students who get promised a scholarship, and then have it yanked at a later date in time. I am not going to try and rehash the original argument that was started by Cook’s column. I think people took exception in the manner and his tone, but I think that is definitely a dead issue now. If you find the article, provide the link. I would not mind reading it.
by Kenny483 on Jun 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite the same thing
FA, IIRC Brian’s 2007 beef wasn’t with Auburn so much as it was with the recruiting services who ranked Auburn’s 30-person class so highly despite the fact that a third of it would eventually fail to qualify. I can’t speak for any other Auburn bloggers, but I happened to think he had a point.
Kenny, it’s the potential for scholarship-yanking you mention that’s the real sticking point for both Brian and myself rather than Alabama oversigning in this one particular class. To paraphrase something Brian wrote, it’s not that 32 > 25, it’s that whoever qualified/didn’t play baseball of those 32 + the players left over from 2007 might be > 85. In Auburn’s case, we’ve “fortunately” had so many players fail to qualify over the past couple of years that it hasn’t become a serious issue for Tubby despite his oversigning. Hoo…ray?
The reason Alabama’s had to face so much heat for Saban’s 2008 class is explained pretty well by the chart at the bottom of this post by SMQ. Not that it matters at this point—with the developments of the last couple of weeks, the Tide are in the clear.
by JCCW Jerry on Jun 27, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously...
...our #1 signing class and how they will fit is newsworthy. But at the end of the day all of the stories from Cook, SMQ, JCCW, Rapoport, etc is pure conjecture at this point. Coach Saban has been around the block more than a few times and nothing in his past would lead anyone to believe that he ever got rid of players with existing scholarships. He is certainly not a stupid man. Would he ever be able to sign a #1 or even top 10 class again if he did this at Alabama? I think not. Not one of us is on the inside of the Alabama football program and so we have no idea really what is going on behind the scenes that led Saban to oversign. He did not do this without any thought to the consequences. The fans are going to trust that Coach Saban has and has always had a plan to make the numbers work unless we find out any different. Our rivals are always going to look for something sinister to be going on. It’s the nature of the beast. And then there are those that are just beasts like Brian Cook.
"I hate everything orange"
It's all about Crimson - ROLL TIDE!!!
by bamavicki on Jun 27, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oversigning...
Though oversigning might create some controversy from people, it should not be that way until you actually end with a situation where some returning players flat-out do not get their scholarships renewed. To say that it will happen six months in advance is nothing more than gross speculation on behalf of whomever is doing it.
Moreover, in our particular case it was an even more ridiculous situation because the people who were complaining (i.e. guys like Cook) had no intimate knowledge of our roster situation and our signing class. The truth of the matter was that our class was never that big to start with - it was really only 30 players, and only 29 when you consider that Neighbors could have been put on a Bryant scholarship; we really only had to have like four or five casualties - and we have a lot of attrition destined to happen within the ranks. We had some guys looking to transfer, some guys headed for medical scholarships, and frankly we had several character cases, and that was going to almost certainly result in people screwing up and getting kicked off of the team. Again, if you really knew the roster, it was never going to be a major issue in the first place.
And even if it will create some minor skirmishes from some outsiders getting fired up over it, nevertheless it was still something that we needed to do. The last two years have made it painfully obvious that we are down on talent and depth, and a big signing class will help relieve those pains. Had we done something like signed 25 kids, had a few drop out, and then only brought in 21 kids, then no guys like Cook wouldn’t have gotten fired up, but it would have been a bad move on our part. It was the right thing to do.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 27, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And let's not forget...
...that this all started when Joe Tiller attacked Rich Rod’s recruiting practices, prompting Cook to throw a fit over Saban instead of just defending Rod. As another fairly prominent blogger who shall remain nameless since I’m sure he has no desire to get dragged into this e-mailed me:
Point: “Rich Rodriguez has some dubious recruiting practices.” Counterpoint: “Yeah, but . . . SABAN! SABAN! SABAN! S.E.C. STUPID! BEAT FLORIDA! AGGGGGHHHH!”
If that doesn’t sum up the situation, I don’t know what does.
by Todd on Jun 27, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all...
...sounds so logical and reasonable, doesn’t it? I don’t see us wearing Crimson glasses on this. It’s just so many wish to see evil in Tuscaloosa, they are the ones wearing eyepieces-blinders!
"I hate everything orange"
It's all about Crimson - ROLL TIDE!!!
by bamavicki on Jun 27, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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