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The RBR Weekly Poll: Week Seven

Last week we wanted to know what regular season record would signify sufficient progress in year two, and the biggest majority was in the 9-3, 8-4 range.

Full disclosure, I voted 9-3 since I see nine winable games on the schedule (Tulane, WKU, Arkansas, Kentucky, Ole Miss, UT, Arkansas State, MSU, and Auburn) and three that, at least right now, I don't feel so good about (Clemson, UGA, LSU). I've said it before, and I'll say it again here; sufficient progress, at least to me, is beating the teams we should and being competitive with the ones we shouldn't. We didn't do so bad last year with the being comepetitive against teams we shouldn't beat, needing maybe three plays total to go our way against UGA and LSU to have been victorious, but we also played way down to the level of competition against Ole Miss and Houston, two teams we should have dog whipped but needed last second miracles to beat, and MSU, ULM, and Auburn, teams we should have beaten but still couldn't put away despite having several opportunities to do so. Stepping up and ending those kind of shenanigans is the first step towards returning to elite status in the league, and I really feel like a 9-3 (maybe 8-4) record would reflect that. Anyway, on to this week, and credit where credit is due time. We received this very cordial e-mail from public enemy #1 Brian Cook over the weekend concerning our participation in the blogpoll:

You can tell me to go to hell if you want, but: both of your blogs obviously meet the requirements for the poll and if you would like to participate the poll would be better for it. I'd like the poll to be a community exercise that encompasses the best of the college football blogosphere because I think it helps all of us.

OTS has been pretty set against our participation with anything Cook related after all the kerfluffle, and I'll admit to wavering back and forth on it as well. On the one hand, the blogpoll is one of the best parts of the college football blogosphere and I know I thoroughly enjoy putting together a ballot every week. On the other hand, it is Cook's creation and we both feel like our involvement is, at the very least, a tacit approval of Cook in spite of the hard feelings we have towards each other concerning Nick Saban and his recruiting practices. At some point today, though, I decided that it is, after all, a "community endeavor" and that, since we'll be doing mock ballots throughout the season anyway, we might as well at least ignore the hatchet (as opposed to actually burying it) and take part. All that being said, this week's poll concerns the sorts of things one should take into account when deciding rankings, namely "quality wins vs embarassing losses." Last season I got into a bit of a scrape over at Dawg Sports for ranking Kansas ahead of Georgia in my final ballot, a decision I stand by to this day. It's not that I thought that Kansas was that much better of a team than Georgia, whom I truly thought was playing the best ball in the country at the end of the season, but that I thought Kansas had the better overall season based on the fact that they handled every team they should have while only losing once to a damn good team in it's own right (Mizzou) while the early losses to SC and UT were so inexplicable and ugly that they stained Georgia's season sufficiently to mar their great end of season run. So clearly it's my opinion that, when looking at the results of a team while trying to put together a ballot, quality wins mean a lot towards upward movement, but at the same time inexcusable losses also weigh a team down and limit just how high they can advance relative to the teams that may not have the same quality wins but at least have handled their business. Bearing that in mind, the purpose of this week's poll is to get y'all's opinion on whether or not I should continue using this kind of thinking when preparing my ballots.

Poll
When ranking teams, are quality wins or embarassing losses bigger factors in determining their position each week?
quality wins
107 votes
embarassing losses
176 votes

283 votes | Poll has closed

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Quality Wins

I think quality wins should mean the most. I would much rather see a team that played a tough schedule, and had good quality wins over top ranked opponents; as opposed to a team whose win total was a reflection of the schedule it played. This was the case with Kansas last year before the bowl game, and a fairly convincing win over VT. Before the bowl game they had beaten exactly one team in the top 25, KSU. I would have ranked UGA ahead of Kansas as well.

I too agree with the decision to participate in the Blog Poll. I do not think that Brian Cook’s irrational hatred of Nick Saban should prevent anyone from participating in it. I think it is probably one of the more fun things blogs do as a whole. Besides, if it (Blog Poll) is going to have any credence than it would most assuredly need a Crimson voice.

by Kenny483 on Jul 14, 2008 6:11 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a curiosity...

How does he expect you to participate in the blogpoll if he knows that Alabama fans can’t read?

Hmmm…

by PeteHoliday on Jul 14, 2008 6:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS

Always begin arguments about how good your team is by talking about its wins. If you don’t have any quality wins, there is no proof you’re a quality team. None. This was the downfall of Kansas last year. Sure, there were no questionable losses on their resume, but you’d be hard-pressed to name a good team they beat in the calendar year 2007.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Jul 14, 2008 7:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But we aren't talking about how good...

...our team is, we’re deciding on how good other teams are. I guess a lot of this is coming from watching Alabama teams of the last few years repeatedly play down to their competition and suffer for it, so maybe it’s that bias against that that makes me want to punish it more than reward quality wins?

by Todd on Jul 14, 2008 7:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two points:

1. I don’t think I made that big a deal over your decision to vote Kansas over Georgia, although I did (and do) disagree with that decision. I believe the posting of mine to which you linked (a) pointed out what I considered an unfair distinction drawn between Pac-10 co-champion U.S.C. and S.E.C. East co-champion Georgia, and (b) was a general survey of what seemed to be a general anti-Bulldog sentiment extant in the blogosphere rather than a particular indictment of any one person or posting.

2. More importantly, you should vote in the BlogPoll. Having criticized Brian (here and at his own site) where I thought he was wrong, I ought to give him credit where it is deserved, and here it is: Brian’s e-mail was a classy act on his part and it should be reciprocated in kind. You give as good as you get when the exchanges are acrimonious; I believe you should do the same when, as here, an olive branch has been extended.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 14, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was more referring to...

...the comments section of that post than the post itself. And I agree, it was a classy move of Cook’s to set aside the blogger sissy fight long enough to extend an invitation to us, especially since he would have had every right to say “screw you guys, this is my blogpoll and I won’t have you in it.” As I said, it doesn’t bury the hatchet by any means but it does give us a reason to overlook it in exchange for inclusion in one of the better aspects of the cfb blogosphere.

by Todd on Jul 14, 2008 10:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Received and understood

I had forgotten about the back-and-forth in the comments (which I still regret, by the way).

I don’t think your participation in the BlogPoll would stop Brian from criticizing Nick Saban and it certainly wouldn’t prevent you from defending him, but it would at least ensure that your interactions with one another would not be wholly acrimonious, the way they are now.

Besides, he’s right: your participation would be a good thing on its merits, all other considerations notwithstanding.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 14, 2008 11:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Without a playoff

the controversy will continue. Division 1-A football is the only division that doesn’t use a playoff to crown its champions. If that doesn’t show the idiocy of the system, I don’t know what would.

by Bamagrad on Jul 14, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm against a playoff...

...since it won’t do any better at producing a “legit” champion than the current system, just a team that happened to get hot down the stretch. Besides, do we really want to see the college game get professionalized with the playoff? You know coaches will be resting starters and sacrificing games once they lock up playoff berths just like the pros, and that would destroy the game for me.

by Todd on Jul 14, 2008 10:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, it might,

but I look at it from a favorable perspective since high school, small college, and the NFL benefit from this system. It really stinks that a team can lose a game or two and be eliminated from winning a championship. I honestly think, and I hope I’m wrong, that for a team like Alabama to have a chance at winning another championship a playoff system will need to exist.

It’s going to be nearly impossible to go undefeated in the SEC and even the best team will probably lose two games. Most years, LSU would not get to play for the title.

by Bamagrad on Jul 14, 2008 10:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But at the same time....

...it really stinks that a team can have an amazing regular season and wind up losing out in an early round of the playoffs.

by Todd on Jul 14, 2008 10:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Both teams

in that first playoff round would have had great regular seasons. Sure, the one with the lesser season might win it, but in order to get there (if the playoff is designed correctly), both would have had to have had pretty good regular seasons.

I do agree that it would be a shame to see coaches start resting starters, etc. because they already have the playoff berth locked up. Surely there is a way to put incentives in there to keep that from happening, though…I don’t know what I want!

I bleed crimson and white...I puke Vol puke orange. RTR

by SugarBowl93 on Jul 15, 2008 1:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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