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NCAA '09: Our O-Line SUCKS

So after playing half the season (I'm at the Ole Miss game now), some initial thoughts on the newest edition:

* I see where the complaints over the ridiculously easy kick returns come from. I've given up at least eight of them so far, and it seems like every opposing offense gets to start from around the fifty. It's frustrating as all hell, especially since every time I get a fairly comfortable two score lead it's inevitably right back to a one score as soon as I kick it off.

* Open field tackles are darn near impossible. I can't tell you how many tackles I've had shrugged off (it seems like all of them) by opposing players. Case in point, every single Georgia player took two or three defenders to bring down, and that includes offense and defense. If you want to make Moreno hard to tackle in the game, that's cool. He's hard to tackle in real life. Stafford? Yeah, he's a big guy, though the six tackles he shook off was a bit unbelievable (couple that with the 60ish yard TD he threw after all that and the controllers start a flying). Still, making him hard to tackle isn't too unbelievable. The receivers? They can shake a DB here and there, but when you need a safety and a LB to come over and help bring them down every time they touch the ball it's getting ridiculous, and Asher Allen is now my least favorite person in the entire world after taking a kick off return back for a TD while breaking four tackles in the process (and juking two more out of their cleats) with only 1:32 left in the game to bring the Dawgs to within a FG of winning (thankfully I recovered the onside kick and ran the clock out).

* Rashad Johnson will pick off anything thrown near him, and then immediately fumble it away as soon as he is hit. This will happen every time the computer needs a long pass play to convert a third (or fourth) down and you think you have them stopped.

* Andre Smith is a punk in this game, spending more time on his back than an Auburn sorority girl. Same goes for Marlon Davis, Antoine Caldwell, Evan Cardwell, Mike Johnson, and Nick Walker, none of whom could block a little old lady with a decent head of steam. Cardwell (who I have at center and Caldwell at RT) is blown up at least 95% of the time, and Johnson is typically flattened right after him, if he's not busy turning and watching the defender run right past him. If this game were real, opposing defenses could literally only rush three every down and still get to Wilson before he has a chance to throw. There was actually one play where I was being sacked the instant I hit X. It was ridiculous.

* The defense is stout, though, holding Arkansas to five total yards and leading the country with a stingy 93 total yards per game.

*Marquis Johnson is almost single handedly winning the games for me, either taking INTs back for TDs himself or at least setting me up in easy scoring (by which I mean FG) range.

* Bobby Greenwood and Luther Davis are my two DEs, and they are absolute studs. Same for Cory Reamer, who I have at OLB.

* Terry Grant will fumble every single time he rushes. I've gotten to where I only use him in shotgun formations where I can throw to him on a swing pass. Anything else and he's a turnover waiting to happen.

* And speaking of running backs, has anyone else had trouble with the running game? Maybe it's because the opposing d-line is five yards into my backfield as soon as the ball is snapped, but the only rushing yardage I can muster is from the receivers on sweeps and option pitches.

* Wilson has something like a 6/15 TD/INT ratio right now, and the vast majority of those INTs are from throwing the ball while being engulfed by three defenders. It's like Bob Connelly got hired by EA to program the pass protection schemes or something. He also has zero accuracy over ten or so yards.

* In the two games I was actually comfortable enough to start subbing players in (Clemson and Kentucky), McElroy was amazing. The digital McElroy has an arm on him, and I've taken to subbing him on long distance downs since he can actually hit receivers in stride on go routes while Wilson invariably throws it out of bounds or short (and subsequently into the waiting hands of the CB or safety).

That's it for now. How is it treating the rest of you?

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I’m playing on the 360, and overall it’s good. I only have a couple of complaints:

  • The kick-off returns are simply not realistic. I do like that you can actually get a return now, but opponents generally start around the 40, and I’ve taken several to the house with Arenas already. It used to be too tough to get a decent return, now it’s too easy.
  • The opposing passing game is too damn good. My guys are always in position, and the coverage is good on the receivers, but nevertheless these guys are completely 75-80 percent of their passes, and these aren’t short throws either.
  • It’s pretty tough to get a pass rush with the defensive linemen. It does happen occasionally, but it is quite rare. You really have to blitz if you want any semblance of consistent pressure. That was a concern during the demos of the game, and it’s apparently founded in the real deal, too.

On the offensive line, maybe it’s just a systems issue. On the 360, my OL tends to do quite well. The only time they really struggle is in playaction, but that’s a glitch NCAA has had for years and years now.

by outsidethesidelines on Jul 20, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

May be...

....a platform thing, cause I can’t get protection or run blocking at all and am also getting good pressure rushing only four or five.

by Todd on Jul 20, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your points.

I subbed UAB – UAB – for Western Kentucky and everytime it was 3rd and longer than 5 yards they make an insane pass downfield for at least 15 yards. Crap.

O-line is good, Wilson will play well and then all of a sudden you cant pass for shit and he throws multiple interceptions (well, actually, that is realistic), returns are way too easy. Defense is great. Grant is good but too small to be effective against the likes of Georgia. Star Jackson is a stud when running the option (which is how I roll). I’ll option strong side all day long then setup a long pass. Or the power O seems to work well.

Roll Tide, Bitches!!!

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 21, 2008 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm on PS3...

and my o-line is freakin awesome. I’ve got Smith, Davis, Caldwell, Johnson, and Tyler Love. If you move Caldwell from RT to C, his rating jumps from a 95 to a 98. He’s a beast at C. And Love is actually really quick for a 6’8” 280lbs guy. I can see where he’s gonna win some awards on my season.

The bit about Georgia being un-freaking-beatable is absolutely true. I’m playing on All-American mode and have had some pretty good games. Won 14-10 over Clemson (thanks to Kareem-a-wheat turning a pick-6 from 60 yards with a minute left in the 2nd quarter), then hammered Tulane 38-10 and Western Kentucky 41-9. Then it got tough against Arky, beating them 13-0. Then I got hammered by Georgia 35-14. It wasn’t that bad, but in the 2nd half, after going down 21-14 with less than a minute left in the third, JPW threw a pick on a slant route to Julio where he threw it so far behind Julio that the cornerback, even in a game, looked surprised that it came right to him. He returned that one, untouched, 80+ yards for a 28-14 lead, and then, midway through the 4th, when I was driving again, JP threw a curl pass long, allowing the safety to easily grab it and run 70 yards for the final margin. Ridiculous, my friend.

But, I did just finish beating Kentucky 38-0, so that made me feel better.

This game really does think we’re gonna be a force this year. Definitely higher player ratings than we’ve had in quite some time. If everything goes according to this game, we could easily be looking at a 9-3 season. I’m thinking, if we can beat Clemson, maybe 10-2 isn’t out of the question. Even with such a brutal road schedule, it’s still fair to assume that Tennessee will suck, LSU won’t be great because they don’t have a QB, and Auburn is at home. All winnable games. Even Georgia could be a win because of where the schedule fits them for us – with them coming off of two consecutive road trips to South Carolina and Arizona State, and then with a bye week after our game.

Man. I rambled quite a bit there. Anyway, the game is much more realistic on PS3 than it has been in quite some time. I’m not killing the WKUs and Tulanes of the world by 70 in this one. It’s actually a somewhat respectable score, which is cooler to me. No more toss sweeps going for 80 yards every play either.

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by memphistider on Jul 20, 2008 11:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Since I have a PS2...

Todd’s experience is making me not want to buy NCAA 09 and stick with my ‘08.

by CaliforniaTide on Jul 20, 2008 11:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts on the Wii

- I guess it’s a good thing this version doesn’t have the breakaway engine if it makes tackling that difficult. Though I still had to watch Perilloux duck attempted sacks by Greenwood and McClain before unleashing a 30 strike off his back foot.

- I have the return problem as well, though it helps me more than it hurts me. Julio Jones has 10 TD returns in 11 games so far with two more called back on holding penalties.

- JP blows. He just does. Now, I’ll admit I’m not the greatest passer, but every time I run a crossing route, he throws behind the receiver, letting the defender jump the route for a pick. 33 interceptions so far. 33. I also seem to have inherited ‘08’s leaping linebackers. Defenders can have their backs to the QB and still jump for the pick. Insane.

- The O-Line is actually pretty good. Smith is leading the Outland race and Caldwell is up there too. My favorite play had an LSU LB get through untouched. But Davis was pulling and absolutely blind-sided him. The decleating animation is by far may favorite in the game.

- I-Form Twin WR Counter Lead. At least on the Wii it’s broken. Absolutely broken. Grant is averaging more than 20 yards per carry thanks to this beast. So long as the defense is in man formation (so both CBs are on the same side of the field) and Walker seals the corner, there will be, at most, one defender between Grant and the endzone.

- 10-1 Auburn vs. 10-1 Alabama for the SEC West championship. Ought to be good.

by rugman11 on Jul 21, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How do you play it?

I’ve got a Wii, and was wondering exactly how you play the game. What all motions do you have to perform to get the wanted actions on the game?

I was looking forward to the Wii edition coming out, but after watching some videos of the gameplay, I must say I wasn’t very impressed.

by outsidethesidelines on Jul 21, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty basic.

Most of the motion control is for the running game. Flick the remote to stiff arm (right or left). Flick the nunchuk to juke (right or left). Motion control is also used for passing and catching. As far as the whole package, it’s basically NCAA 05 with new rosters and controls with better graphics. Plus the updated conferences, teams, BCS formula, etc. Basically, if you’re like me and are still playing NCAA 05 since it was the last game for a Nintendo system, it’s worth the upgrade if just for the new teams and updated conference lineups. Don’t expect anything new or even remotely on par with the 360 or PS3 versions, though.

by rugman11 on Jul 21, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I forgot...

On the Wii version (not sure of the others) there’s a glitch in Bama’s uniforms. The color of the helmet numbers is linked to the color of the jersey numbers. So when you’re playing at home with crimson jerseys with white numbers, you get crimson helmets with white numbers. But on the road, you get white jerseys with crimson numbers and crimson helmets with crimson numbers. It kinda sucks.

by rugman11 on Jul 21, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rosters

Where are you guys getting your rosters from? Did you manually enter them or is there somewhere I can download them? I am on PS3

RTR

by ronniestl on Jul 21, 2008 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love...

...your avatar. I take it you’re in St Louis? Did any of your neighbors comment?

"I hate everything orange"
It's all about Crimson - ROLL TIDE!!!

by bamavicki on Jul 21, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow...

I play on the 360 and some of the things I’ve encountered are:

-o-line is actually pretty good. I run off tackle with Grant a lot and average 6-8 yards per carry. with that being said, JP is constantly gettin sacked…but I don’t blame the line, I blame him. he’s horrible in 09, which is probably based on his performances from last year. in that case, EA Sports is right on. he is constantly throwing behind receivers and it’s a pick almost every time if you go deep, even in single coverage and ya receiver has a 5 yard step. I sub Star Jackson and run the option and it works to perfection. fuckin beautiful. it makes me smile for the future of Bama football.
-defense is ok, I guess. I don’t kno if I’m get into a slump though or the computer is ridiculously good…I play on All-American and I lost to Clemson 27-24 and it would’ve been more but I bitched out and dropped down to Varsity just to make it fair because they were unstoppable. I would be in perfect position, hit stick the player and bounce right off him…I’m an excellent tackler so it was retarded that they would shrug off my attempts like a pillow tap. I’ve been busy so I’m only at I’m just now about to play Arkansas so who knows what’ll happen…I’m tempted to start over because as much as I like to play realisticaly, taking an L from Clemson is not a good look…

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by SpockJenkins on Jul 21, 2008 7:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I HATE THIS FREAKIN GAME

Actually I love it but since I haven’t played NCAA on the 360 yet, I am so out of practice. I got my ass handed to me by Georgia. Naturally, I quit the game before it was over, and need to regroup and rethink my process.

I hate the fact that everytime you get in a third down, no matter WHAT DEFENSE YOU RUN, the computer comes up with this little over the middle short pass bullshit and magically you have no one anywhere near the receiver. 4-4, Dime, Nickel, 4-3, you are screwed.

Roll Tide, Bitches!!!

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 21, 2008 8:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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