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We were having a really good discusion in the "Easiest Road to the Championship" thread on the Pac-10 vs the SEC or better yet USC vs the SEC and it was getting all jumbled up. From what i read, most people here feel that USC would be good team in the SEC but wouldn't dominate. I disagree. Most felt that teams like South Carolina would give SC a good showing and that even Ole Miss would play them tough. I couldn't disagree more. IMO and it is my opinion, the SEC as it stands today, isn't quite as strong as we once thought. We are still very good and probably the best conference from top to bottum but our elite teams have some major problems. Let me break it down so you can understand where im coming from. Lets start with the top 6 teams in the league ( in no particular order):

1. Florida: Right now UF is the best the SEC has to offer. The offense when clicking cannot be stopped and the defense is much improved over last year. The problem is that until they have a running back step up, its Tebow left, Tebow right, Harvin left and Harvin right.  Miami was able to contain them becuase they had speed and It wasn't until the 4th quarter and when attrition set it, that UF pulled away. They have to figure out how to fit all that talent on the field and make it work. Until then that offense will struggle against good defenses. Which means teams like USC or Oklahoma would probably match up very well against the Gators.

2. Georgia: UGA is still a mystery in my book. They have all the pieces (minus a LT and DE) to make a run at the title but they seem lost right now. The o-line struggled to get a push and the recievers drop ball like its hot potato. Maybe its because USC plays them tough every year or they just had a down week, but the # 2 team in the country goes into USC and puts a 30 spot up. Until they show me otherwise they are at best the #10 team in the nation

3. LSU: The Tigers haven't been tested yet and probably still won't be this weekend. They have no QB which means they are predictable. Auburns defense is good enough to keep it low scoring but since AU has no offense, LSU will get the win. LIke i said about UGA, until LSU shows me their QB's can make plays and manange the game, they are no better than a top 15 team.

4. The Barn: Auburn probably has the best defense in the SEC. They are strong, fast and have amazing depth. BUT for the talent on the defensive side of the ball, the offense balances them out. The Spread Eagle will take a few more years to implement and like LSU, a good defense will only take you so far. So with the offensive problems id rank Auburn around the #17-23 area. If that.

5. Alabama: Some what of a surprise this year, Bama has had 2 very solid performances and one, well lets try to forget about the Tulane game. If Wilson plays like he's supposed to and the defense holds up they could be the most balanced team in the SEC. Not from a pure talent stand point, but from both sides of the ball playing at a high level.  Of course with a young team (playing 12-15 freshman a game) we will have our ups and downs. This is why i feel that our Tide will end up in the top 15 at the end of the year.

6. The Vols: I only put them here because of what their expectations where at the beginning of the seaon. But what have they done so far? They got beat by UCLA (who just got destroyed by BYU 59-0) on a missed FG, had an off week to recover then came out flat against UAB. If you watched the UAB game, UT looked terrible at times and looked very ugly in the blow out win. Right now i see the Vols at a middle of the pack SEC team and perhaps even worse.

 

So what the common theme among the elite of the SEC? A lack of offensive fire power. I know I know I know...the SEC is built around defense and defense wins championships! But when one of your elite teams scores only 3 points in a game, and another loses to a terrible UCLA team, you have to start to wonder. Could SC play in the SEC and dominate or would they just fall somewhere in the top 4?

I think right now USC is more balanced and more talented than any team in the SEC. There are three teams that match up well in talent: UF, UGA and LSU but those three have gapping issues that need to be resolved before truely being thought of as a top 3 team. Im not drinking the USC kool aid but that team has five star depth everywhere, probably the best QB Carroll has had so far, and a defense that is just as good, if not better, than any team in the SEC. To win a championshp you need balance and right now SC has balance and the schedule to boot. Im not saying they are unbeatable but with that schedule, the only team that can beat them right now is USC.

Again guys this is my opinion. Take it or leave it but if you look at it from the outside in i feel you'd have to agree.

 

 

 

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I disagree

I think a lot of what you see in relation to offenses struggling is due to the high level of our defenses. I think a team like USC, while very, very good, wouldn’t be hanging 50+ points on most SEC teams. I still feel the SEC is the most dominant conference in sports, and is more so today. Look at the coaching level. Look at the players. You have to look no farther than the past two NCG to see how dominate our league has become. Closest league to us is the Big 12, but they don’t have the D we do. The Pac 10, while usually pretty dynamic, has a couple of top teams that would not have the runs they have had – Oregon, USC – had they played a consistent SEC schedule.

Sorry bro, but just looking at it from an outside view, I still think you are wrong :)

Roll Tide, Bitches!!!

by BamaReturns07 on Sep 16, 2008 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Sure

Like i said the SEC is the dominate force in college football. There’s no denying that. And i also dont think that USC would put 50 spots up either but i still feel they would win either the East or West right now. RIGHT NOW. Maybe by mid season UF has fixed its problems, LSU’s QB’s are making plays, UGA hits its stride like last year and maybe even Bama comes alive. But right now USC would be if not the top but damn near the best team in the SEC.

Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out alive.

by bammer on Sep 16, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

WELL...

 I agree with everything you said about the SEC teams this year but not so much on USC. Simply swap say Bama and USC and you know what would happen. We would dominate just like they do because they play I-cant-beat-u-state teams all year long with maybe a few possible upsets with the help of them playing bad. Take the SEC from us and its like saying….look at Bama this weekend,,,they put up 557 yards,,,,JP for the Heisman,,,there unbeatable,,,they play W.Kentucky teams all year long.

by BAMA.13 on Sep 16, 2008 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with bama 13

the competiton in the PAC 10 has no comparison to SEC!

by larryk113 on Sep 16, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

If thats so true

Why does SEC teams seem to struggle against the Pac-10?

SEC vs. Pac-10 Results Since 2000
2000 UCLA 35, Alabama 24 (at Los Angeles) Loss
2001 UCLA 20, Alabama 17 (at Tuscaloosa) loss
2002 USC 24, Auburn 17 (at Los Angeles) loss
2002 Oregon 36, Miss. St. 13 (at Eugene) loss
2003 Oregon 42, Miss. St. 34 (at Starkville) loss
2003 USC 23, Auburn 0 (at Auburn) loss
2003 LSU 59, Arizona 13 (at Tuscon) Win
2004 LSU 22, Oregon State 21 (at Baton Rouge) WIn
2005 LSU 31, Arizona State 31 (at Tempe) Win
2005 USC 70, Arkansas 17 (at Los Angeles) Loss
2006 USC 50, Arkansas 14 (at Fayetteville) Loss
2006 Auburn 40, Wash. St. 14 (at Auburn) Win
2006 LSU 45, Arizona 3 (at Baton Rouge) Win
2006 Tennessee 35, Cal 18 (at Knoxville) Win
2007 Cal 45, Tennessee 31 (at Berkley) Loss
2008 UCLA 27, Tennessee 24 (at Los Angeles) Loss

So it looks to me the SEC has a hard time with the I-cant-beat-u-state teams either….

Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out alive.

by bammer on Sep 16, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any of those bowl games?

If not, that’s kinda weird. Why wouldn’t the SEC and Pac-10 be matched up in a single bowl game this decade?

"That rug really tied the room together."

by pantsfucious on Sep 16, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

None of those are bowl games . . .

because the bowl games are “tied” to two opponents from specific conferences, and the SEC and the Pac-10 don’t have an arrangement for a bowl tie-in. So teams from the two conferences would basically have to meet in the National Championship Game to play one another in a bowl.

(P.S. – I hope you saw the fanpost I did on the Wall Street Journal quoting you last Friday – here http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2008/9/12/612987/rollbamaroll-in-the-wsj)

by Lawboy on Sep 16, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

HA!

I’ve been sick for the last few days and playing catch-up, so I missed that. Awesome, thanks. And my high school guidance counselor said I’d amount to nothing!

"That rug really tied the room together."

by pantsfucious on Sep 16, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

BUT

two of those losses were against an Alabama program in decline, two were Oregon beating up on MSU, two were USC beating Auburn teams that were terrible, and two were USC at their best waxing Arkansas. I don’t see any Floridas or Georgias. Auburn post-2004 would have probably beaten USC. Basically, I see the three elite teams in the pac-10 beating up medicore, at best, SEC teams.

Further, the early 2000s were not kind to us. Although we were the best conference in the country, Bama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, et al were down for the most part. Now you look at those top four SEC teams and they are all world-beaters, with Bama coming up. UT against UCLA was a fluke, and we all know it. They suck this year.

The argument about the SEC’s schedule being tougher is backed up by these numbers. Why? We beat each other up. Period.

Roll Tide, Bitches!!!

by BamaReturns07 on Sep 16, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

I dont care what you say

Hell, no! A tie is like kissing your sister!

by comer4tide on Sep 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could also argue

That the Wins we had were over the terrible Pac 10 teams. Trying to pick through and make excuses why we won or why we lost doesn’t really prove anything. And really the argument isn’t who’s the best conference. Thats easy. Its could or can SC come play in the SEC right now and dominate ? And how would they do? Which is really an impossible question to answer but if i were. Id say they went at worst 10-2 but probably 11-1 with a NC birth. Same as if they were in the Pac -10. The difference being that they should walk through the Pac 10 with ease and they would have a dog fight getting through the SEC. But the out come remains the same. A NC appearence.

Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out alive.

by bammer on Sep 16, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont see

USC making it to the NC.

Blast away now

Hell, no! A tie is like kissing your sister!

by comer4tide on Sep 16, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would

But its obvious you are smoking crack or are completely distracted by your hot secretary. Either would be a valid excuse and i understand your delusional comment.

Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out alive.

by bammer on Sep 16, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed that it is nitpicking

but your list of bowl wins vs losses doesn’t really factor in for that same reason. And I get the point, it’s just that I personally think you are dead wrong. USC wouldn’t be the “dynasty” some consider them to be today if they played in the Big 12 or, primarily, the SEC.

Roll Tide, Bitches!!!

by BamaReturns07 on Sep 16, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im stuck

on how smoking hot my secretary looks right now to comment on this subject anymore. She came in so the unattractive one could leave for some reason (dont know dont care) but damn…………

Hell, no! A tie is like kissing your sister!

by comer4tide on Sep 16, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are

a good manager

Roll Tide, Bitches!!!

by BamaReturns07 on Sep 16, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

USC

would be a good team in the SEc, but they wouldnt dominate. Lets get something clear. They dont know how to handle the tuff, physical schedule that the SEC has to offer. They played their big tuff game already, has the SEC played one yet. Most have. Will they play 2 or 3, yes.

1. Florida, UGA, UT, and Auburn all play eachother this year. Wow, there are 3 top 25 teams on each one of thier schedules (pre-season ranks).
2. Alabama plays UGA, UT, LSwho, Boogs, Rednecks, Clemson, all of which are tough and only one is at home.
3. USC played OSU, thats it. Oh my bad, they play some ND school this year again dont they? Wow, cant wait for that match up.

USC is talented, but they are not tough. Playing in someone elses house, who hates your guts and everything your school stands for, each and every week, and cant just go and push another team around, thats what the SEC is about. Hell, even Vandy is beating teams, Ole Miss gave Wake everything they wanted, and St gave Boogs more than they could handle.

Hell, no! A tie is like kissing your sister!

by comer4tide on Sep 16, 2008 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

comer4tide

I agree with you. Can you tell me who are the rednecks? That basically is the SEC minus Vandy. Just curious and nice post.

I wouldn't piss off the boys from Alabama . . .

by I hate UT on Sep 16, 2008 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

The Rednecks

Would be the Vols, ever been to Neyland Stadium? Cutoff jeans with an orange wife beeter is the dress code

Hell, no! A tie is like kissing your sister!

by comer4tide on Sep 16, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

teeth are optional

Hell, no! A tie is like kissing your sister!

by comer4tide on Sep 16, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bama 13

hit the nail on the head, trust me i can see where your coming from bammer, but if you let Bama, UGA , Florida, or LSU swap schedules with USC than they would dominate like USC does ! dont get me wrong im not knocking USC they are a very good team even by SEC standards but if they played a consistent SEC schedule they would be good not dominant!!!

by cmyster94 on Sep 16, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Found this over at ESPN

I wrote this thread before i read this article

1. SEC

What we believed: From top to bottom, the SEC was once again supposed to be the best conference in college football. Georgia was ranked No. 1 in the preseason polls. Florida was picked to win the SEC East — over the Bulldogs — by the media that cover the league. Defending national champion LSU and Auburn were supposed to battle it out in the SEC West. South Carolina was a popular choice to be the league’s dark horse. SEC

What we know: For the first time in history, five SEC teams are ranked in the top 10 of the Associated Press Top 25 poll. But the league’s top teams — No. 3 Georgia, No. 4 Florida, No. 6 LSU, No. 9 Alabama and No. 10 Auburn — have serious concerns. Georgia’s offensive line and defensive line have been less than impressive. Florida still doesn’t have a running game — other than quarterback Tim Tebow. LSU has an inexperienced quarterback, and Alabama remains one of the youngest teams in college football. Auburn’s new spread offense has been a disaster, and Tennessee remains a mystery after losing at UCLA 27-24 in overtime on Labor Day night. There are no easy outs in the SEC — Vanderbilt is 3-0, Ole Miss is much better under Houston Nutt and Kentucky’s defense will keep the Wildcats competitive in most ballgames. Defense again rules the roost in the SEC, but many of the league’s offenses are just bad.

Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out alive.

by bammer on Sep 16, 2008 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

actually

Read the whole articel…pretty good

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebook?page=notebook/onthemark0915&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out alive.

by bammer on Sep 16, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

good stuff bammer

i like your style.

Hell, no! A tie is like kissing your sister!

by comer4tide on Sep 16, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Comer

I like your moves!

Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out alive.

by bammer on Sep 16, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

so do the ladies

Hell, no! A tie is like kissing your sister!

by comer4tide on Sep 16, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

...................?

[insert random gay comment here]

And that’s what she said. Or he said. I’m not homophobic…

Roll Tide, Bitches!!!

by BamaReturns07 on Sep 16, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah I do too

even though I disagree :)

Roll Tide, Bitches!!!

by BamaReturns07 on Sep 16, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

My secretary

agrees with me and likes my moves will back me up, so whatever

Hell, no! A tie is like kissing your sister!

by comer4tide on Sep 16, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry she was late this morning

I tried to get her up earlier but I guess she was just too worn out she was stuck in traffic…

Roll Tide, Bitches!!!

by BamaReturns07 on Sep 16, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

So thats why she is complaining

about being sore, she said she started some new workout thing with her girlfriends (let your mind race) and they have been running alot

Hell, no! A tie is like kissing your sister!

by comer4tide on Sep 16, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

gawd

Tell her their is an almost 30 yr old medical fitness general manager with a masters degree and a truck in Birmingham who happens to be married but hey baby that’s not a sticking point or deal breaker so come down here and I will work her out with a special fitness program I like to call the 4-hour tequila stretch…

Roll Tide, Bitches!!!

by BamaReturns07 on Sep 16, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

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