'Bama Demolishes the COI in Rebuttal
Today the University of Alabama released its rebuttal to the NCAA Committee on Infractions' response to the University's appeal. The story you're likely reading from the major news outlets this afternoon is one like this:
According to documents released Tuesday, the NCAA in responding to Alabama's textbook appeal called Alabama a "serial repeat violator" with an "abysmal infractions track record" and an "extensive recent history of infractions cases unmatched by any other member institution in the NCAA."
Most of the articles that I've seen on the topic have been couched in thinly-veiled (some more thinly than others) "ha ha, those cheating Bammers" type language. The reason isn't any sort of media conspiracy, though, it's just laziness on the part of reporters rushing to get their story out.
If you're not up to speed on this whole deal, go check out A Primer on the NCAA Sanctions and The University's NCAA Appeal. The executive summary is this: a small handful of Alabama players thought they were taking advantage of the University by getting some extra textbook rentals. The NCAA imposed sanctions well in excess of anything that they had in the past for similar violations and the University took umbrage with that.
The Appellate Process
The NCAA's appellate process is one with which I have only a passing and academic familiarity with, I'm not your compliance attorney, keep that in mind when reading what follows. A common sentiment I've seen from 'Bama fans in the wake of these news reports is adequately summed up by DocFumbles in this fanpost.
I think we made some very good points, although when you appeal to the NCAA, I find no reason to believe they'll do anything about it. They have no oversight and seem to blindly do as they please, as with the Florida State case.
In a sense, this is accurate, but it misses a subtle distinction in the NCAA infractions process that you might or might not believe is important, depending on your level of cynicism. That distinction is this:
The NCAA's appellate body is separate and distinct from the Committee on Infractions. Which is to say that while, in a certain sense, we're appealing the NCAA's decision back to the NCAA, that is much like saying that when you're found guilty of a crime, you appeal that decision back to the state. Technically true, but it misses the point.
The bottom line is that the appeals committee is a different group of people from the COI and the group that handles the appeals has no reason to defer to the COI in any way, shape, or form. They improve the station of the NCAA not by backing the Committee on Infractions at every turn, but by keeping the COI in line.
The order of events goes something like this:
- COI releases findings and sanctions
- Alabama files an appellate brief, asking the appeals committee to take certain action
- The COI files a response brief, attempting to defend the claims made by Alabama's response
- Alabama is permitted to file a rebuttal to that response
- The appeals committee reads all of the relevant documents and renders some decision
Right now, we're talking about the documents produced by steps #3 and #4 while we wait for #5.
The COI's Response
I'm having a difficult time locating a copy of the NCAA COI's response to Alabama's appeal, but what I can infer about it from Alabama's rebuttal and the news stories is not pretty. From what I can tell, the bottom line is that the COI must have realized, after reading Alabama's appeal, that they completely botched the sanctions portion of the case and that Alabama's compliance department had made them look awfully silly.
So, instead of attempting to salvage some semblance of fairness and rebut Alabama's insistence that the penalties were an abuse of discretion, the COI resorted to using 25-cent words and calling names.
Alabama's rebuttal to this response is beautiful, on-message, and really does a marvelous job of not only reiterating its main points from the appeal but also exposing the COI's response for what it is: an attempt to distract from the real legal issues present in the University's appeal.
(If I happen to find a copy of the response, I'll update this post)
The University of Alabama's Rebuttal
Alabama's rebuttal can be found here in PDF format. If this issue is even remotely interesting to you, you should take some time to check it out. It is only 14 double-spaced pages, and really does (in my opinion) a good job of putting things in perspective. It's really a fantastic read.
In fact, the first two paragraphs accurately sum up the major issues with the NCAA COI's response:
The brief submitted on behalf of the Committee on Infractions ("COI") in this matter is distinctive in two respects: an omission and an addition. First and most strikingly, the COI Brief omits any discussion of other textbook cases that have come before the NCAA, a factor which is both relevant and necessary for the determination of whether the penalty in this case is an abuse of discretion. The fact that no vacation-of-wins penalty was entered in any prior textbook case is a fact which cannot be avoided, and a fact which warrants a reversal of that unprecedented penalty in this case.
Second, the COI Brief compounds its initial error of omission with an error of addition, adding a justification for its vacation-of-wins decision beyond that set out in the Public Infractions Report. That purported justification -- the University's status as a repeat violator -- is not a stated basis for the actual decision of the COI; is contrary to the statements made by the COI during its oral explanation of its decision; and, even if supported by the decision, would be further evidence of an abuse of discretion, as it ignores bylaws and precedent addressing repeat violator penalties.
That's how you absolutely dismantle a response brief in two simple paragraphs. The rebuttal goes on for 12 more pages to go over these things in detail -- including directly addressing the allegation that the University's history of infractions is "unmatched by any other institution" (turns out that's not even close to accurate), pointing out that the COI completely ignored the biggest problem with their initial sanctions, and generally making the folks who wrote the COI response look like they had no idea what the hell they were doing.
I'm not sure what has changed in our compliance department since 2002, but in a lot of ways the change is not dissimilar to the change in the football program. Even our lawyers have gotten their swagger back.
Conclusion
I've said before that I really believe that the appeals committee has to reverse the vacation of wins. I was concerned that the COI would, upon having their precedent issue exposed, come up with a good justification and give the appeals committee an out to come down on their side. After seeing all this, though, it seems pretty clear (at least to me) that the appeals committee can't possibly find against Alabama without establishing new precedent for all future infractions proceedings. The COI in this case was so far out of bounds, that to uphold their decision would essentially be giving them carte blanche to do whatever they want, and that's something I find it difficult to believe that the appeals committee would actually do.
That said, attempting to predict what any branch of the NCAA will do is a dangerous endeavor, so don't go adding those wins back to your stat books just quite yet.
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great read
glad you included that hack Chris Low’s reporting, I have unbelievable contempt for that man. And you’re absolutely correct, that brief is a great read and a metaphorical middle finger to the COI, serious props to our lawyers. Let’s cross our finger the money train doesn’t flow through the appeals committee, bc we really do seem to have a legitimate case here
by Thomas Walker Esq on Oct 13, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent analysis.
You beat me to this point:
I’m not sure what has changed in our compliance department since 2002, but in a lot of ways the change is not dissimilar to the change in the football program. Even our lawyers have gotten their swagger back.
I was just about to comment on how I’m glad The Process applies to our compliance department as well.
by Espyonage on Oct 13, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Only halfway through, but
According the NCAA’s database, at least 27 (of the 120) Division 1, Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) institutions have experienced the same number or more major infractions cases than the University. Characterizing the University as “abysmal,” therefore, maligns almost a quarter of the schools in the FBS, including half of the PAC-10, half of the Big 12, 3 schools in the ACC, and 4 members of the Big Ten.

by rugman11 on Oct 13, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Also,
The NCAA’s rule book does not include vacation-of-wins as a repeat violator enhancement, thereby further highlighting the COI’s arbitrariness in this case.
by rugman11 on Oct 13, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The money quote:
In conclusion, the vacation-of-wins penalty assessed against the University in this case is not based on its repeat violator status. The Public Infractions Report did not make that assertion. The COI chair’s statement rebuts that assertion. In addition, the rules themselves, and COI precedent, do not even make vacation-of-wins available as a repeat violator penalty. The COI Brief’s argument that such penalties were justified by repeat violator status is, at best, a revisionist history of this case, the NCAA’s rules, and its own precedent.
by rugman11 on Oct 13, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“At least 27 institutions have experienced the same number of more major infractions cases than the University. Characterizing the University as ‘abysmal’ therefore maligns almost a quarter of the schools in the FBS, including half of the Pac-10, half of the Big 12, three schools in the ACC and four members of the Big 10.”
Holy Jesus, the UA compliance department took the COI to school. They really did put on an appellate brief writing clinic with their rebuttal and I am extremely impressed.
"LOSE HIS COOOL?!?!? I DUN LOST MY COOOL!!!!"
by brandonh on Oct 13, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great job!
Much better than anything I could do lol
Fumbles. It was always Fumbles
by DocFumbles on Oct 13, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Zap yo dumbass...Yeah, bow down to a true pimp, bitch....
See the following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgAPFKDL6Sg at about 2:15
Bama’s made of laffy-taffy, muthafucka!
by Bama philosophe on Oct 13, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just roll with it.
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by kleph on Oct 13, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously....
you’re not a golfer.
Also, I like beer.
by Bama philosophe on Oct 13, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a related note, this video is made by the same guys and is full of win.
"LOSE HIS COOOL?!?!? I DUN LOST MY COOOL!!!!"
by brandonh on Oct 13, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Public Release
The COI’s reply has not been publicly released, at least as per Gentry Estes, so not to rain on anybody’s parade, but we really can’t completely evaluate the validity of their argument without seeing their brief. One party’s brief can look pretty good until you fully contrast it with the other party’s response. All we have right now is UA’s characterizations of the COI’s brief., although it does look very well written.
by Paranormal on Oct 13, 2009 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s no way their brief can be any good unless the UA brief has some outright lies in it.
The whole issue on appeal is that this is an unreasonable ruling because it didn’t take into account other cases of textbook infractions, and they didn’t even mention those cases in their response? Ridiculous.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Oct 13, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NCAA is a rogue organization.
This is pathetic. UA should really sue them for $100 million. A good investigative journalist could have a great time with those egomaniacs. But, of course, no one would care because the NCAA is just punishing those rednecks down in Alabama.
by wey on Oct 13, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Alabama's Representation
Does anyone know who wrote the brief or who, either individually or as a firm, is representing Alabama in this matter?
by jasonpointer on Oct 13, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bama attorneys
If I’m not mistaken, the rebuttal was written in-house. Willing to bet it was Chad Tindol—guy was hired in 2006, Yale JD, seems to have bona fide litigation experience. Have had some interaction with him, and he’s a sharp fellow.
by PNG1983 on Oct 13, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmmmmm Yale
I want a Yale JD.
by Bama philosophe on Oct 14, 2009 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Yale Jelly Donut?
I'm in no condition to drive...wait! I shouldn't listen to myself, I'm drunk.
by That Other Dave on Oct 14, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
And also a Juris Doctorate degree if they have any of those around.
by Bama philosophe on Oct 14, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donut may be worth more right now. Just sayin'.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Oct 14, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lightfoot represents Auburn. To my knowledge, they’ve got nothing to do with UA. Gene Marsh’s wife has a heart attack every time his name is mentioned on WJOX, he certainly doesn’t represent them now. UA has a pretty good compliance office with some good attorneys, I’m sure they do some of the work. I believe, though, that Starnes Atchison does most of UA’s litigation, particularly athletics. Maybe some Haskell Slaughter too? I’m not for sure how much Ralph Smith (general counsel) or Stan Murphy (Murphy & Murphy, former general counsel) have to do with this, probably no involvement at all.
Also, the reason you are having trouble finding a copy of the COI brief is because they refuse to make it public. Same thing that is going on with Florida State. Troy king is too busy prosecuting the fornicators and all things abominable to file a similar “sunshine law” action against the NCAA. You would think the guy would want to get re-elected wouldn’t you?
by BufordTJones on Oct 13, 2009 10:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bond, Schoeneck & King
Their name has been on our previous documents in this case.
They are not a local firm.
by Paranormal on Oct 13, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good analysis.
The problem is that you are making an assumption that the NCAA will be fair. We have nothign to elad us to this assumption.
You are also forgetting one important fact, this is Alabama. I believe the NCAA has two sets of rules. Rules that apply to everyone else and then rules that apply to Alabama. If this were USC nothing would have happened in the first place- period. If this were UT then they would have been asked to vacate on meaningless volleyball win.
But this is Alabama and our coach is “Nick Satan” and before that we had Coach Bryant of whom I think the NCAA was jealous and afraid.
So, although the case made by the University would seem to be good enough to get the wins back I would bet the NCAA says “appeal denied.”
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
by 5026 on Oct 14, 2009 7:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
in summary:
there is injustice, therefore there is no justice…
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on Oct 14, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The CFA ....
Coach Bryant was instrumental in the formation of the CFA, and I believe that was done to send a message to the NZAA when they had the TV monopoly (and the revenue to dole out). It worked. Maybe that organization needs to be strengthened to counter the NZAA. They seem to have lost their way and the rulings could be interpreted along regional lines. When Roy (the Vol) Kramer was in the SEC office, they left Bama ‘twisting in the wind’ on several occasions. I think Bama could have gone independent and negotiated their own TV contract if ND can with their abismal team the last ten years or so. That would have put the fear of G_D in the SEC office!
by ramabama on Oct 14, 2009 8:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks to all you lawyer dudes
for bringing this to the blog AND providing understandable commentary.
"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban
by LittleSis on Oct 14, 2009 8:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The bottom line is that the appeals committee is a different group of people from the COI and the group that handles the appeals has no reason to defer to the COI in any way, shape, or form. They improve the station of the NCAA not by backing the Committee on Infractions at every turn, but by keeping the COI in line.
this is probably the single most insightful thing i’ve read about the appeal process to date. it cuts to the heart of what this process actually means for the NCAA and the true impact of what their decision entails. it pains me that pretty much every observer in the traditional media – even the more insightful among their ranks – has passed this over in a clamor to put the name calling as high as possible in their stories.
we like to think about this matter in terms of it’s import for alabama athletics but what is really at stake is the credibility of the NCAA as a governing body going forward.
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by kleph on Oct 14, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Even Hinton screwed it up today, which is a shame, because he’s smarter than that. Jon Solomon at the Birmingham News doesn’t get it, either, but I don’t really expect much out of him.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Oct 14, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm a big fan of dr. saturday's work...
but his analysis simply has not been up to it’s usual level of excellence this season, for some reason.
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by kleph on Oct 14, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One Word
SECEDE! The NCAA is almost as bad as the Federal Government. Let’s organize a movement & secede from the NCAA. If we can get other big-name programs to join us, we’ll create our own association. What do you think??
I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER
by birthgoat on Oct 14, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that the NCAA comprises a bunch of big name schools already that get to vote on the rules, right?
So if there were a bunch of schools that hated what was going on, it would change.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Oct 14, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vol fan and Bama fans agree on something
Normally, we just plain don’t like each other when the subject of football comes up. Great rivalries will do that to otherwise sensible and kind people. And, the Tennessee-Alabama rivalry is one of the great ones. Thanks to the Bear and General Neyland and everyone else who helped build it.
We may give you a hard time about this subject in the next couple of weeks leading up to the “Third Saturday in October”, but -rest assured – in our heart of hearts nobody thinks that the NCAA has any credibility on this issue. Most of the NCAA rules are downright silly.
So from one Vol fan to the Bama Nation, we agree deep down that the textbook thing wasn’t like “real cheating” and it just needs to go away.
Please know that the only vacating any of us really believe in has more to do with being on the beach somewhere with a cold beverage in our hand.
by memphispete on Oct 14, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well, at this point the question isn't wether or not it was "real" cheating or not...
…it is a matter of “does the punishment fit the crime.”
alabama self reported the infraction just like tennessee did with the hailstorm of secondary infractions kiffin incurred in the off season. no-one ever argued that the substance of what happened in any of these cases or the fact they went afoul with the ncaa’s guidelines.
this is why alabama, like any other major university, has a compliance department entrusted with keeping in line with the ncaa regulations. but what incentive does a university have to self report if they know the punishments will be completely arbitrary? why should i take the risk on a draconian punishment since there seems to be no underlying logic to the manner in which these infractions are penalized?
pete’s point above is that, when pressed, the infractions committee resorted to name calling. but those comments were pretty much all that the media reported not the fact alabama’s appeal was penned to reveal their lack of substance.
while it’s perfectly understandable that rivals might find the idea of alabama as a rogue program appealing, one should expect the body entrusted with oversight on the matter to look beyond the boilerplate accusations and act on the individual merits of the case itself. their clear inability to do that bodes badly for the whole of the NCAA, not just Alabama, regardless the outcome of this appeal.
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by kleph on Oct 14, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are essentially saying the same thing - minor cheating resulted in massive unfair penalties
Students finding a loophole in the system and giving/selling textbooks to friends is not a serious offense, in my opinion. Not brilliant because you might get caught but also not a felony at a night club, either. (Yes, Florida trolls, that was for you).
It’s equally true that Kiffin’s secondary violations are minor as well. Mentioning a recruit’s name on the radio, doing the Miami smoke screen entrance into the stadium, and that sort of thing just aren’t that big a deal. Do you realize that UT only had 6 secondary violations when the SEC basically said stop? (And, little known fact, he has.) Do you also realize that Ole Miss had 5 secondary violations for their football program over the same time period? Which program got the headlines and the bad boy rep? Not saying it didn’t benefit Tennessee but a little perspective would be helpful.
In any event, neither Bama’s nor Tennessee’s minor infractions are as serious as Calipari’s use of Worldwide Wes to garner top recruits (someone’s gotta be getting paid there, don’t you think?) or having recruits falsify SAT tests. Yet, Bama and Memphis both vacate wins while Calipari nets a contract worth multiple millions and garners a top recruiting class at Kentucky.
How is the NCAA right in all that?
by memphispete on Oct 14, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the main point i want to make clear...
is that whether the cheating is major or minor is irrelevant. cheating is not permissible and should be subject to punishment. every action taken by the university clearly underscores this. none of the legalese can be taken to be arguing that because it’s a “minor” infraction it should be overlooked.
the point here is that when cheating is discovered and reported, that the punishment is 1) in proportion with the act committed and 2) in accordance with the precedent set by the association in treating similar offenses. it was along these lines that the atheletes were punished by the university itself.
but at no point is the university arguing that punishment is unwarranted because the offenses are “minor.” this mistaken perception of the case is one of the many reasons the general understanding of what is at stake has eluded most casual observers.
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by kleph on Oct 14, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
once again
I am not saying anything different. Cheating should be punished and the degree of punishment should fit the crime. The degree of infraction is absolutely relevant because that determines how hefty the discipline should be. Textbook infractions break the rules and they should be punished with a reasonable amount of discipline. The NCAA was unreasonable, in my view, as the punishment did not fit the crime.
I never said that Bama or Tennessee or Kentucky or Memphis shouldn’t be punished if they break the rules – no matter how silly some of those rules are.
My argument centers around the lack of enforcement against some (Calipari, personally) and the lack of proportionate punishment for others (Bama) and the lack of perspective in the media about minor infractions for still others (Tennessee).
by memphispete on Oct 14, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you look back at my posts...
…i’ve been clarifying my position, not attacking yours.
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by kleph on Oct 14, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries. As I look at mine, my tone isn't right.
I was trying to make sure that I was clear but the “once again” lead in was completely the wrong way to start in retrospect. More self-frustration at my own work.
I thought your posts were clear and well stated, and I wanted to strive for the same clarity of presentation. Didn’t happen.
by memphispete on Oct 15, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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