Initial Impressions from the South Carolina Game
Another weekend and another win for the Tide. A few initial impressions from the aftermath:
- Ugly win last night, and I mean ugly. Any time you average 4.6 yards per passing attempt, have over 100 yards of penalties, miss a kick, and turn it over four times, your performance has all of the aesthetic appeal of a Roseanne swimsuit calendar. Thankfully, though, the defense was impenetrable as usual and Mark Ingram took over the game, carrying us to victory. Had either one of those two slipped up any last night, we would probably be lamenting our first loss of the season.
- Another bad night for the offense. I know South Carolina is generally considered to have a good defense -- and in all fairness Lorenzo Ward and Ellis Johnson had them prepared -- but they are not that good. Thirteen points on the night offensively, and our previously unstoppable offensive juggernaut has put up all of two touchdowns in nine quarters.
- The extremely frustrating part of our offense's overall performance was that South Carolina never really stopped us. We averaged over 6.0 yards per play, and only punted three times all night long. On six of our drives, we moved the football at least 30 yards, so again, South Carolina never really stopped us. We moved the ball well, but as usually is the case, we continued to beat ourselves. Leigh Tiffin missed a field goal, we failed to convert touchdowns in two first-half red zone opportunities, and we turned the football over four times. We only had 10 possessions in this game -- short game last night, mind you -- and when you are so inefficient that literally half of your possessions end in missed field goals and turnovers, you simply aren't going to score many points. It's just frustrating as hell... opposing teams aren't stopping us, but we continue to stop ourselves. We are our own worst enemies.
- Greg McElroy was the biggest problem offensively, and his performance just gets worse and worse with each passing week. Again I know South Carolina played well defensively last night, but that still doesn't change the fact that McElroy was ungodly terrible. He couldn't hit a wide receiver if his life depended on it, and our "passing game" -- and I say "passing game" loosely because in all actuality we had no passing game whatsoever -- consisted of dump-off passes to the tailbacks. He threw two interceptions as it was, and had it not been for great wide receiver play (see next bullet), he would have probably thrown at least three more. The stat line says it all... 10-20 for 92 yards, 0 touchdowns, 2 interceptions. I do not say this lightly, but I nevertheless stand by the following statement... for all intents and purposes, we had Spencer Pennington at quarterback last night, and quite frankly Pennington rarely played worse than McElroy did last night (and in terms of QB rating, I don't know if Pennington ever had a rating this low). I don't remember the last time we had a quarterback play this poorly.
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"we are still inconsistent kicking field goals"...
…Leigh Tiffin is 16 of 19 (80%), and his only miss last night was a 49 yarder…if that’s inconsistency, I’ll take it. P.J. Fitzgerald has also stepped it up this year.
I definitely agree that our coverage and return units (sans Javy and Julio) generally suck a$$, and I’ve been skeptical of Bobby Williams as a coach since his name was announced (especially following Ron Middleton, who was simply bad a$$)…but we are more consistent kicking field goals now than we have been since, what, Michael Proctor?
The rest of the post, per usual, rawks. So thanks.
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
I agree with NLS
there were a lot of things to criticize last night, especially on special teams, but Tiffin’s lone miss was a 49+ yarder on a cold night. It’s not like that was a 20 yard chipshot.
On returns, we would have been better off not blocking anyone.
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by That Other Dave on Oct 18, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Kick returns...
…I know we want to generate big plays and get good field position from our kick returners, but the last few weeks I would have been happy if the coaches had just said “fair catch it no matter what” because even if we do get a big return there’s a damn good chance it’s coming back anyway.
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And the thing that infuriates me further...
is that half the time the block/hold for which the flag is thrown wasn’t even going to help on the return. We’re a very unintelligent team team when it comes to returns.
Couldn't agree more...
when it comes to our ineptitude in utilizing Juilo. It seems like forcing the ball into double or triple coverage on the out or fade pattern has become our only means of throwing to him. Whatever happend to the slant and curl routes we used to have success with?
Though Gmac had a bad game. South Carolina did contribute to it. Two words
Pressure and Coverage. They have a great pass D fifth in the nation and it showed.
36-0
"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood."- The Bear
re: Gmac and Julio (ie OTS. you're crazy)
BS – Greg McElroy’s… performance just gets worse and worse with each passing week.
Yes GMac has gotten worse the last 2 weeks. That’s not every week tho (we’ve played 7 you know). I’ll explain one reason at the bottom of this.
BS – Harsh reality here, folks, we’re wasting a once-in-a-generation player.
Once again BS. We’re not wasting him. He’s a blocking machine, a better receiver than McCoy, and is the reason Peek, Hanks, Alexander, and Maze have single coverage.
How to fix GMac’s head.
GMac’s problems are in his head. But he’s still better than JPW. Defenses are now playing pass first most of the time (as OTS noted against Arkansas). Opposing defenses know we want to be balanced. If we throw once on every set of downs and the defense is planning for it and stops it, it makes the runs needed for first down longer or puts us in another passing situation the D can scheme for.
What we need to do
Run the ball until the opposing D sells out to stop it. Then pass it. Since the opposing defense is playing pass almost all the time, we need to force them to reconsider. Once they know we’ll run it down their throat until they stop us, then we can play action, bootleg, etc. In effect, we need the same gameplan (until defenses change) that we had against VT last year with JPW.
What happened here?
The first few games, opposing defenses focused on stopping the run and dared us to pass to beat them. We did. We obliterated them with the pass.
The reason I say that...
BS – Greg McElroy’s… performance just gets worse and worse with each passing week.
Yes GMac has gotten worse the last 2 weeks. That’s not every week tho (we’ve played 7 you know)

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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 19, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Excellent analysis........
Like the first poster, I am a little inclined to ease up on the Tiffin harpoons. Between last week and this, he’s, um, winning games.
Agreed everywhere else. I especially like this:
“Harsh reality here, folks, we’re wasting a once-in-a-generation player.” The solution is clearly not to force the ball to Julio, as McElroy tried last week, but I am not sure what it is. Play design and calling? Not sure. Thank god we went with what was working last night on that last drive. What a machine Ingram was.
You can't win. You can't break even. You can't get out of the game.
put him on defense.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
can't we just screen to Julio on every play?
the dudes catching skills have fallen off, but he does his biggest damage after he gets the ball…
enjoy...
by SpockJenkins on Oct 18, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
the dudes catching skills have fallen off
Due to lack of practice? I mean, if you don’t know what it feels like to have the ball in your hands, it’s gotta be weird the one time a game you have a chance to make an uncontested catch.
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By the way,
OTS, it would probably be good to do a meltdown post on us this week. : )
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Lol...
… we could do that EVERY week.
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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 18, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but you have to admit McElroy’s performance has everyone a bit spooked. As we all know (from years of mediocre qb play) a good running game and strong defense will only get you so far…
i'd agree to spooked might describe it...
but its not like anyone is ready to describe him as crompton-esque.
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Agreed
He ain’t winning any national POTW honors after that performance ;-)
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by bobo_the_vol on Oct 19, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
offense struggled, but when the team needed it, Ingram put 'em on his back...
and the D…omg, this Bama D is amazing…they are BEASTS!!!
I’m so proud of this team and their hard work…no team is perfect but true winners get the job done and that’s what these kids and this coaching staff is doing…OTS, I respect you, but sometimes I think you get too cerebral and focus on stats, when the true heart of this team cannot be measured or matched…IMO these kids could go up against anyone and beat them right now…Florida isn’t scary…neither is Texas…I’m actually more afraid of Georgia Tech than anyone…their offense would do damage to us, I think…
but anywho, great post OTS…
and damn I hope our team can get hyped and stay strong for one more week…Tennessee is not going to just lay down for us…it’ll be a hard-fought battle, as usual…just get past this game so we can finally have a break…these kids need to rest…
and oh, who else is looking forward to Florida at South Carolina on Nov. 14th? that game just got VERY interesting…
enjoy...
yeah...
If GMac played just a little bit better that game was a blowout. In fact, our last three games should have been straight massacres…I really believe this team has what it takes to be something special but if GMac doesn’t get his head out of his ass, i think we will be left disappointed when its all said and done.
Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler
well... consider the flip side of this coin...
the miscues and mistakes are taking a severe toll on us, that’s for sure. but that also implies there is a raging beast of a team still waiting to emerge. what chance does any opponent have against us if we sort this stuff out? we are a very very good unit with all the warts and whatever… imagine the degree of domination if we finally sort out these nagging issues?
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I was
just talking about this very thing with my dad just about an hour ago. We both said that if we ever play lights out, we’d be unstoppable.
I haven’t lost faith In GMac just yet but my confidence in him is fading. The thing is he doesn’t have to throw for 250+ yards and 4 TD’s every game for us to win. He just needs to make completions and get the ball into our play makers hands. Those are two things he’s struggling to do these last three games.
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NOT IF KLEPH ...................NOT IF
WHEN !!!!!!!!!!!!! ( THATS RIGHT 13 COUNT EM!)
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Oct 19, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
There was nothing undeserved about the criticism Johnson received last year. He’s much improved this year, but he just wasn’t a very good corner last year, and that’s pretty much the bottom line.
I'm wrong all the time.
True...
…which is a big reason I loved his play last night. I’m high on redemption for our players.
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
100% Agreed.
I think the criticism he received was justified, but I’m absolutely thrilled that he rose to the occasion. I would much rather him shut his detractors up than prove them right, and I hope he keeps it up every time he’s on the field.
Don’t get me wrong — I’m not “against” any of our players, but it’s silly to pretend like Johnson was a world-class cover guy last year and call the criticisms “undeserved”. Doubly silly to suggest that his play this year somehow invalidates criticisms of his play last year.
The greatest thing, to me, about that last night is that there are some SEC offensive coordinators who are now looking at our defensive secondary and thinking “Wait… now we can’t throw to Johnson, either? WTF! To hell with it. Let’s just punt and hope to score on defense!”
I'm wrong all the time.
it was simply delightful last night
to watch spurrier’s brilliant plan to target johnson go up in complete flames before his eyes.
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I feel like
This is exactly what this team needed. Gmac will improve i know it, he’s to smart and versatile not to. It seems every since he was criticized for not getting Julio the ball he has stopped going through his progressions; also he has been pressured a lot. I’m glad these things are happening now instead of later.
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by Pachyderm Pride on Oct 18, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions
How much of GMac's woes
are due to a porous O-line? On occasion it looks like he’s holding on to the ball too long, but at other times it seems like he’s being harrassed before he’s even had a chance to look downfield.
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by That Other Dave on Oct 18, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions
i believe it has been pointed out...
that while a lot of notice has been given to ingram’s monstrous after-the-intital-hit yards, when you subtract them out, he still had one hell of a game yardage-wise. and that seems to indicate a good effort on the part of the offensive line.
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Agreed...
…not that the O-line doesn’t have room for improvement…they are not as solid as last year’s line…but most of GMac’s mistakes lie squarely on his shoulders.
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly...
Any time you, as a tailback, get over 100 yards on the ground before contact — especially when you are a bruising, 220-pound runner — then that is all the sign you need to tell that your offensive line kicked some serious ass down in the trenches.
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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 18, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
the downside of that...
is that it adds to the degree of culpability mcelroy must bear for the poor passing performance.
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Leigh Tiffin...
I expected that the Tiffin comment would get this reaction, so this is not unexpected. Here is my reasoning:
Tiffin is obviously having a great year overall, converting on 16-19 opportunities. Obviously no one is complaining about that fact, and that is not my reasoning here.
My point is you need to look closer at the data, particularly at how short the overwhelming majority of those field goals have been. Tiffin is 9-9 on field goals under 30 yards, and 6-8 on field goals 36 yards and shorter. In fact, he’s only tried two field goals of longer than 36 yards all year. One of those was a hit against Virginia Tech on a 49-yarder — indoors, obviously, in perfect kicking conditions — and the other was an ugly miss from 49-yards last night against South Carolina in admittedly bad conditions.
So, my point is that while Tiffin has a great overall conversion rate to date, he really hasn’t done anything but kick a lot of easy, chip-shot field goals. It’s certainly nice to see him converting at a high rate, but realistically any even half-way decent kicker ought to convert a high percentage of short field goal kicks, so that’s not saying much. That’s about like saying you have a good quarterback because he is completing 80% of his passes when the throw is under five yards.
And if anything, what Tiffin’s numbers really tell you is that our offense is pissing away touchdowns in the red zone. Any time your kicker is basically averaging three chip-shot field goal attempts per game through seven games, that just tells you that your offense keeps shooting itself in the foot and generally unable to put the ball in the end zone when they have a golden opportunity.
At any rate, my point is that Tiffin is untested at this point. He has generally been inconsistent and unreliable during his time at Alabama, and there has been nothing of date this year that should rationally make you think he is anything else right now.
Do you really have confidence in Tiffin to come in, during a very close game, and make a kick of moderate-to-high difficulty? I can honestly answer no to that question, hence my comment.
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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 18, 2009 7:45 PM CDT reply actions
Re: special teams
One thing I will say (trying to be positive) is that our kickoff coverage has made significant imrovement since week one. As far as our return game, last night was the first night this year (I think) that we’ve been that atrocious with penalties, but generally we’re pretty good. I tend to think that return penalties tend to have a “snowball” effect: meaning that with every time you’re flagged on a kickoff return, the subsequent returns get scrutinized more closely….I dunno, just a theory. The one thing that pisses me off about Tiffen is that he does ANYTHING he can to avoid making a tackle on kickoff returns…literally running away from ballcarriers. I don’t expect you to be superman, son: just don’t be a pussy.
If I’m not mistaken, our punting game has made improvement over last year, both in length and coverage…so, PJ is carrying his weight.
Oh, and awesome points about Julio. Even if he had bricks for hands, he’d be a first round pick on blocking ability alone.
or, to put it even more simply...
our offense’s shitty red zone play is making tiffin look good.
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Ding, ding, ding...
… we have a winner.
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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 18, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh...
…so when you said “we are still inconsistent kicking field goals,” what you meant was that we have been inconsistent kicking field goals in the past, and since there’s not enough data from this season to confirm that we are or are not still inconsistent, since the close kicks don’t count, you’re gonna assume that we are still inconsistent kicking field goals. Is that what you meant?
I just think your point, that he’s essentially been untested so far this season, is better served by saying that.
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Sort of...
My basic comment was that Tiffin has been inconsistent in his field goal kicking from 2006-2008, and with his ugly miss last night he has really done nothing to show us that his field goal kicking is any more consistent this year.
My wording in the original post may not have been what I needed to effectively convey the general point, but nevertheless that is it.
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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 18, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
That's cool...
…and thanks for clarifying.
I’d also like to reiterate that I think the rest of the post is stellar. I appreciate you breaking it down for us the way you do. So, thanks again.
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Good deal...
… glad you enjoy. Always great to hear positive feedback from the readers.
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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 18, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
And about Julio...
… I know he has had a couple of drops occasionally, but that still doesn’t change the fact that we are wasting him. For example, last night he couldn’t hang onto a difficult catch on a 3rd and 9 that would have put us about two yards short of a first down. Big whoop. Even if you catch those, not much is really changing one way or the other.
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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 18, 2009 7:46 PM CDT reply actions
OTS what is your take on playcalling right now. To me it is fairly confusing, too cutesy at times, and its not doing anything to get McElroy’s feet under him. I know we’re undefeated but that’s not by virtue of any brilliant offensive scheming. And it seems this is the second year in a row we’ve regressed on offense as the year has gone by…
Honestly...
I liked the playcalling last night. I think you all know my opinion on the playcalling against Ole Miss in the first three quarters, but I was pretty happy last night.
I thought we went in with a good mix of things. We tried to establish both the run and the pass, and were balanced early. We gave McElroy every chance to prove that he could effectively throw the football, and once he showed us he couldn’t, McElwain and company wisely turned the “passing game” into an attack that featured about 75% or more of the passes going to the backs on dump-off passes. And then, after the fumble when it was obvious that we could not throw and we just needed to ride Ingram to the end, we went into the Wildcat and marched down the field on an effective game-ending drive.
I would obviously like to see Julio more involved in things, but I’m not complaining at all about last night. We tried to do things right from the start, in my opinion, and then we adjusted accordingly when McElroy’s struggles continued. Eventually we played to our strengths with the game on the line, and in many ways I think that’s all you can ask.
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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 18, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
100% agree.
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 18, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I
also thought the play calling was very solid. It was clear the coaches knew McElroy was struggling, and calling those short dump off passes to the RB’s was good to see. Not ideal, but still effective at the time. I was also glad to see Roy Upchurch getting his usual 3rd down duty. He played well when he was in there.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
Took the words right out of my mouth
I thought Saturday’s playcalling was a good example of both playing to our strengths in the game, as well as taking what the defense was giving. Sorry to mix cliche’s. I just thought it was in stark contrast to some of the playcalling from recent years which, when we were struggling, seemed to be relegated to ineffective running plays and trying to throw deep. In contrast, McElwain found a way to grind out yardage (if not big points) against a pretty good defense.
One other contrast: McElwain kept going with the Wildcat in Q4 because it was working. Spurrier kept trying to beat Johnson with the fade even though it wasn’t working. Practicality vs. insanity.
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by BamaFrazier on Oct 19, 2009 12:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I've never dropped so many f-bombs during a game we were winning
I was cursing McElroy all night.if he didn’t try to force the ball into triple coverage to Julio all night maybe Julio would be open sometimes. There has got to be someone else open when Julio is bracketed.
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by Ghost of seven in a row on Oct 18, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions
G.Mac and OL
I think our main problem is Greg has lost his confidence. Last week he threw to Julio over and over (into double and triple coverage), this week he hardly threw to Julio and when he did he was covered. We best hope Greg gets his head straight because next week he may face the best defense (as far as scheme) he’s faced yet. If he doesn’t improve we are bound to lose a close game. I believe our OL is better at pass blocking this year than last year. In fact in the two games w/out Andre Smith last year we were whipped at the line, this year I think we are more balanced up front. I will also say that our guys wear down the opponent every game. So I am impressed with them. It is also interesting that three weeks ago (Arkansas) we had to pass so we could run, since then our run has carried us to victory. Great game Ingram. ROLL TIDE!!!
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RE: UT's bye week
How about an article re: the Vols off week the week before the Bama game ALMOST EVERY WEEK in recent memory. How does the SEC arrange the schedules and how does UT seem to always have a week off before they meet us? Something stinks in ATL and I used to say it was Roy Kramer, is he still to blame?
The stench
would actually be coming from Birmingham, if you were to buy into that conspiracy.
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by That Other Dave on Oct 19, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Well...
…we do have horrible air quality here….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 19, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Just how the schedule falls
Used to be Florida got a bye week every time they played the Vols, or so it seemed.
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by bobo_the_vol on Oct 19, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Question:
There are a lot of assumptions here, but bear with me.
Assuming Tennessee’s offense shows some level of crompetency this Saturday like they did last week (And I don’t mean a 4-1 TD/INT ratio for J Crompton, I mean him actually throwing the ball on target) and assuming Alabama has as down a day passing the ball (USC’s defense is alright, but I would put them up against Tennessee’s and think it’d be favorable anytime) — how do ya’ll feel about the game? Obviously, ’Bama’s defense isn’t even in the same league as whatever that thing was Georgia tried to play with, but still.
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If all of those things hold true...
… then I don’t think there is any doubt that we will see a very close game, and one that could easily go either way. If Crompton is competent and McElroy plays like he did Saturday night against South Carolina, this one is almost certain to be a nailbiter.
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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 19, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is the best I can hope for, I think.
I think my Vols will win. Yes, I’ve got absolutely very little basis in fact for that, more than I am a homer (I’m a fan, after all, I’m allowed that!). I think our Defense will play very, very good. But your defense? Yikes. That’s what has me worried sick.
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by bobo_the_vol on Oct 19, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions

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