Spurrier questions legality of Alabama's kick methods
Spurrier: "Their holder on extra points and field goals had a little piece of white tape. ... And he put (the tape) down and that was their spot," Spurrier is quoted as saying by The State newspaper. "And the guy kicked it, and occasionally he'd go way over there and grab it (after the kick). I'd never seen that before. So I think we've gotta call the head of officials to see if that's legal."
The NCAA rulebook states that: "Any device or material used to mark the spot of a scrimmage place kick or elevate the ball makes the kick illegal."
Think anything will come of this? I had never noticed it before, nor did I know it was illegal.
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he is only butt hurt since he didn't think of it first
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by TheRedTideConsumes on Oct 20, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't understand
why is this even in the rule book? i guess i can see not being able to elevate the ball, but what gives with marking the spot?
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by LittleSis on Oct 20, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My opinion...
is that this law was put into place to eliminate any possibility of the ball being elevated by any material. If the verbage concerning “no material to spot the ball…” had not been put into the overall rule, there would be loopholes used (e.g. “spotting the ball” with a quarter inch layer of athletic tape). Not to use my engineering terms too much, but its amazing (in terms of friction factor) the difference between the bottom point of the ball coming off a grassy (rough, lots of friction loss) surface as opposed to a piece of tape (smoother, less friction loss). In some cases, assuming identical force put on the ball for a test done using smooth and rough surfaces, I’d bet that difference in friction loss could equate to a few yards of distance.
Basically the same principle applies to rolling a golfball on a glass table vs. rolling it on grass. It’s just a way to ensure no possibility of added advantage.
But that’s just my opinion…
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by TopDaddy on Oct 21, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that....
…piece of tape isn’t going to hover magically on top of the grass. It’s still going to encounter friction, etc. because it’ll have to be in contact with the ground.
by Nico2.0 on Oct 21, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the ball is not touching the gound...
It’s touching the tape, therefore less friction loss due to a smoother surface. Now don’t get me wrong, we may be talking a couple of yards, if any, max. And this would not just be a single layer of tape, but without this verbage, a “ball mark” could evolve into something that would give kickers an advantage.
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by TopDaddy on Oct 21, 2009 4:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
My point being though...
…that the grass is going to be a couple of inches high. Even if the tape was a quarter of an inch thick, it’s still going to have friction off of the grass because it’ll have to be on the ground and not hovering at the top of the grass. The grass will be around 8 to 12 times the thinkness of 1/4 inch. Any advantage there is going to be negligible. I think it’s more for spotting purposes than for lift.
by Nico2.0 on Oct 21, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
if this is true, then its another thing our feather in our increasingly doodoo covered special teams hat, i mean spurrier did go out of his way to say Bama wasn’t a dirty team. Its not like they are going to vacate field goals
by Alabama ManDance on Oct 20, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious Response
Alabama coach Nick Saban on Tuesday questioned the legality of offensive holding South Carolina used to keep the Crimson Tide defense away from QB Stephen Garcia in Alabama’s 20-6 win last weekend. During his weekly press conference, Saban said he planned to contact the SEC office to see if the use of holding is legal.
According to the NCAA rule book, it is not.
Rule 9-3-3-a states that "The hand(s) and arm(s) shall not be used to grasp, pull or encircle in any way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent." Garcia was 20 of 46 for 214 yards against the Tide.
Saban said he noticed the holding while watching the game video.
"Their left tackle on most plays had a handful of jersey," Saban said. "And the guy held, and occasionally he’d go way over there and hold another player. I’d never seen that before. So I think we’ve gotta call the head of officials to see if that’s legal."
SEC spokesman Charles Bloom said the conference was looking into the matter.
Saban said South Carolina linemen would stop holding after the plays.
"I’ve never seen that before. But I’m sure they’ve probably been doing it all year," Saban said. "Maybe it is legal. I didn’t know that."
by M. Johnson Defender on Oct 20, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
honestly..
i can’t tell if that comment was pure saracasm or for real..well done either way.
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by bammer on Oct 20, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the saying goes, "It ain't holding if they don't call it."
And its not like PJ was hiding it — he was doing it in front of 90,000 fans, the officials and the TV cameras.
by wey on Oct 20, 2009 9:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just looked at a PAT and a field goal from the game,
and I can’t see what Spurrier is talking about. Maybe he’s got really good eyes, but I didn’t see it. Not saying it didn’t happen.
by jsholt969 on Oct 20, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Geez Spurrier
Always blame the guys that beat ya. It makes your recent lack of production seem reasonable.
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by DocFumbles on Oct 20, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
the key word here is “elevate.” No a way a piece of tape elevates the ball by any imaginable stretch that is significant. But I’m not surprised at all that Ball Coach would bring it up.
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by Bens4vcobra on Oct 21, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He was on grass?
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 21, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would someone explain to me
the purpose of the tape? what is it supposed to do?
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by That Other Dave on Oct 21, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just read that Spurrier....
also is guilty of the marking infraction. Apparently there is film of his holder doing the same thing last season? You’d think he’d be smart enough to not call someone on something he condones… but the man is slipping in his old age.
by RocksinBama on Oct 21, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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CHEATERS BURN IN HELL! CHEATERS! ALABAMA CHEATS AT EVERYTHING! CHHHHEEEEEAAAAAATTTTEEEEERRRRRRSSSSS!!!!
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 21, 2009 2:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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