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Tennessee Hate Week: A Hatred Born of Respect?

The following is an excerpt from my contribution to Rocky Top Talk's Maple Street Preview Rocky Top Tennessee.

This, my friends, is where rivalry gets weird.  We could sit and talk about how much we absolutely hate each other from sun up to sundown, and yet in the back of my mind and in the back of yours, you know it's true.  We hate because we know the other is worth hating.  Simply put, there is only one other program in the SEC that even comes close to touching the history and tradition of my beloved Crimson Tide and, as painful for me as it is to admit, that program is your own Tennessee Volunteers.  Both teams share remarkable achievements throughout their history and have had some of the best players and coaches to ever stand on a college sideline grace their rosters.  For example, Alabama and Tennessee are the only two SEC teams to represent the east in the Rose Bowl before it became a strictly Pac-10/Big Ten (or, at the time PCC/Big 9) affair.  Of course, we went 4-1-1 in the Rose Bowl and, in doing so, put southern football on the map while y'all were 0-2.  Just being invited is an honor, though, right?  Further, Alabama and Tennessee are the only two SEC schools in the top ten in all time wins (#7 and #9, respectively) AND winning percentage (#6 and #10, respectively).  Alabama and Tennessee have more National Titles (we claim twelve, y'all claim six, and Florida is a distant 3rd with three), more conference titles (Alabama has 21, Tennessee 13, and Georgia is a close 3rd with twelve), and more bowl appearances (Alabama with 56, Tennessee with 47, and Georgia in 3rd with 44) than any other team in the SEC.  I'd almost say Alabama and Tennessee have the more bowl wins than any other team in the SEC as well, but UT and Georgia are tied for second with 25 each, so we'll just keep that one for ourselves.


Going beyond the considerable achievements of both programs, look at the star players that made those achievements possible.  With 168 All-Americans between the two teams, one would be hard pressed to name even a fraction of the legends that have squared off against each other in late October.  Just from my own lifetime names like Shaun Alexander, Reggie White, Derrick Thomas, and Peyton Manning instantly spring to mind, and I won't even try to begin to start rattling off names like Joe Namath and George Cafego.  Even beyond the players, though, there are two names left to mention that are the biggest reasons both Alabama and Tennessee are considered two of the preeminent football powers in the history of college football.  I'm speaking, of course, about Robert Neyland and Paul Bryant, two of the greatest coaches to ever walk a sideline.  The SEC is littered with "legends" like Johnny Vaught and Shug Jordan, sure, but no two coaches in the SEC's history have built the kind of juggernauts and secured such high esteem for themselves even to this day that Neyland and Bryant did.  When you take all that into account, there's really not much else to do but tip our caps to one another, wish each other well ‘til October, and then bring the knives out.  Roll Tide.

I post it here today because I think it illustrates a point about this rivalry that has been lost over the past decade; The Third Saturday in October has historically and traditionally been a meeting of the two premier powers of southern football. We measured our strength against each other as worthy (though certainly hated) opponents, not as enemies bent on the destruction of one another. The past decade (or so) has not only seen a genuine, malicious hatred spring up between our two teams, but has also seen a steady decline in national (and even conference) relevance for both programs. But with coaching changes and a renewed commitment to regaining national prestige by both programs, there is hope that our rivalry can return to one where we match strength against strength, not grievance against grievance. In other words, we can still hate them, but let's do it for good reasons.

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I’m to immature. “I hope they fail”.

"There's a lot of blood, sweat and guts between dreams and success." PBB

by Pachyderm Pride on Oct 22, 2009 7:45 AM CDT reply actions  

As much fun as it is to see your rivals fail...

….I’d rather see them all doing well, only to have us crush their hopes and dreams (and in the case of UT, twice per season, once in the regular season and again in the SECCG). Its more satisfying.

Roll Bama Roll - The Champagne of Bama Blogs.

by Todd on Oct 22, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

as usual

You make a fine point. Did you make any orders this week from a certain distributor company based in N.C. mmmm?

"There's a lot of blood, sweat and guts between dreams and success." PBB

by Pachyderm Pride on Oct 22, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Used to feel this way

but Fulmer ruined the whole thing for me. As a boy, I thought of Tenn as I do of Penn State still, a team you respect but love to beat. Now, I just love to beat them.

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Oct 22, 2009 8:26 AM CDT reply actions  

My connections to UT are too close to say I ever hope they do well

Born and raised in TN, graduate of UT, with plenty of old friends that are die hard Viles. Having graduated from both schools I developed a passion for UA and a hatred for UT. This must mean something. I have absolutely no loyalty to my alma mater, the one (UT) where I earned a terminal degree and attended as a freshman. I think it is simple: UT is pure shit, Knoxville is a dump, and east TN is full of hillbillies while UA is a picturesque campus situated in a great college town, granted surrounded by plenty of rednecks, but they don’t scare me like toothless, methed out hicks. I hope we beat the living shit out of them. They are the only SEC team I pull against out of conference.

I wouldn't piss off the boys from Alabama . . . DBT

by I hate UT on Oct 22, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Paul, is that you?

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Oct 22, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a note to RTT.

UGA, GA Tech and Tulane have also been to the Rose Bowl, not just Bama and UT.

I started going to the UT-Bama game in the 60’s. We wanted to beat them, but we didn’t really hate each other. In fact I would pull for UT to beat most everyone else they played. I even liked their head coaches Dickey and Battle (an Alabama guy.) As far as Majors, he was ok I guess.

In the 70’s I can remember scalping/selling two seats next to me to a UT fan & his son. We got along great during that game.

But it all changed with Fulmer and I’m sure Kiffin will continue their tradition of being jerks. If I were going to scalp one of my tickets to UT today I would never sell it to anyone wearing orange no matter what they were willing to pay. I’d eat the ticket rather than let another vol in the stadium.

In a weird way UT has replaced Ga Tech as the out of state team most hated by Alabama. When I was growing up in the 60’s my dad, an Alabama grad, told me I could go to any college I wanted, even Auburn, but if I went to Ga Tech I could not come home for Christmas- he was not kidding.

I told my own kids they could go to any college except UT—I was not kidding.

And I pulled for UCLA to beat them and I don’t like UCLA one bit.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Oct 22, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

nice article Todd and i see your point

but i still hate them more than anyone. yes, ANYONE.

HERE’S TO GETTING MY FAVORITE B’DAY PRESENT – A ‘W’ OVER THE VILES!

ROLL TIDE ROLL!

"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban

by LittleSis on Oct 22, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Fulmer poisoned this well, absolutely.

Growing up, I hated UT in that respectful sort of hatred, very Vader-Obi Wan hate. Fulmer absolutely ruined that, and took all of the pure hate I may have had for a rival and turned it instead to deep, personal animus.

Kiffy is just picking up where Fulmer left off…and I’m uncertain how to turn back that clock, or if it can be turned back.

"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch

by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 22, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

C'mon...

Fulmer was at least a respectable coach in his own right. While I loved to hate him and couldn’t stand to think of him snitching to the NCAA without my blood boiling, he conducted his own team with a certain level of dignity because he knew the University of Tennessee was bigger than he.

Kiffin is the one that really gets me going, though. An ignorant little do-nothing that knows nothing about (1) Southern culture, (2) Southern football, or (3) the University of Tennessee. His approach to the game in general and the SEC specifically leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

I have never wanted the Third Saturday in October (WHEN OH WHEN WILL WE DO THAT AGAIN?!?) to be totally one-sided. The best games I have had the privilege to see were the 5-OT game and the 6-3 Bama victory in 2005. As I figure it, a loss is never desirable, but a loss to UT does not put our goals out of reach since we don’t share a division.

Now, though, I wish for the Volunteers to be pummeled in every single game so that arrogant prick Kiffin can be run out on a rail. Every day spent in Knoxville defiles my home state of Tennessee just a little more, every word that exits his filthy California mouth chips away at the dignity of the Southeastern Conference, and every W he adds to his record is an excuse for coaches to emulate him and do things the wrong way. He and Orgeron have to make up the most pitiful excuse for men that have been seen at an SEC institution in recent memory.

Damn you, Lane Kiffin.

by animalcracker on Oct 22, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i agree overall

it’d be nice for the rivalry to become respectful again like it used to be. gen. neyland and coach bryant thought the world of each other. until then, however…

by hongrime on Oct 22, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

By which I mean “LOL”

Roll Bama Roll - The Champagne of Bama Blogs.

by Todd on Oct 22, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's win.

"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch

by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 23, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

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