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Brillant Strategy or Dumb Luck?

 

When UT made a 1st down at our 27 it was clear what they were going to do...run the clock down and kick a last second field goal.

Everyone sitting beside me at BDS was calling for Bama to use their 3 time outs to leave us about 30 seconds to try and drive down and also get a FG. And, we have all seen teams use that strategy before and even have some success. But Bama strangely decided to just let the clock run. Why?

Well, I have not heard Coach Saban on this but I'm sure he had a reason. So what do you guys think? Was it brillant or just luck?

One thing one of my friends said was that Saban did not call time out for fear UT might run right at us a few times trying to kill the clock and then actually break lose and score a TD as our D was very tired (see LSU & UGA.)

Another idea is that Saban knew their kicker had a sore leg and thought he could not make it from that distance and so rather than risk him getting even a yard or two closer he decided to roll the dice.

A third theory is that Saban was saving his time outs to see how UT was lined up to block for the kick to see how to get a mismatch (like Cody on a little guy.) When UT lined up the same as they had done when we blocked the previous kick (they had made no adjustment) he knew we had a shot and just didn't need the other two.

So what do you think? Why did we not use our time outs? Strategy or luck?

      

  

     



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I honestly don't know...

I was screaming at the TV to call the timeouts and save the clock. On the other hand, if you do that, Tennessee probably gets a few yards closer and maybe it’s not blocked.

I really don’t know what the thinking was behind it. I guess our staff just felt really confident about our block units’ ability to get to a 44-yard field goal, given how low Lincoln’s kicks were.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Oct 25, 2009 11:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just looking at the pic

of “the block” Julio had some major ups and im not sure any kick could have gotten high enough..

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Oct 26, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this.

Yeah, that’s what stood out to me as well. I’d love to see a larger version of the photo, know of one?

by crbama on Oct 26, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would doubt it...

… I understand that Julio jumped REALLY high in the air, mind you, but realistically a player in his position is nine yards away from the spot of the kick, and it has to be a really low kick for that player to get it. And that also assumes that he times it perfectly.

And that, of course, also assumes that he would had the kick lined up right to begin with.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Oct 26, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lincoln was low...

TC blocked that first one with his armpit. Julio might have made it.

by bbbmaker on Oct 26, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

honestly

i was being a little sarcastic. But as bbbmaker said, for Cody to block that kick, it had to be very low to begin with.

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Oct 26, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is why

i say let him use those major ups if they want to throw the ball on the goal line. I don’t think there is a db out there that can guard him on that…McElroy just needs to throw it correctly.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!

by alanbama12 on Oct 26, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One very effective way that "icing" works psychologically

is that if we have 3 TO’s left, the kicker assumes we are going to call one after the other, all at the last second. Having TO’s and not using them ices the kicker even better. He approaches the kick, assuming it is not going to happen and he is not fully focused on kicking—kind of like Charlie Brown does with Lucy. Then when you DON’T call TO, it’s not a good kick, because he didn’t think he was going to kick then. Saban is the master. This kicker was probably acutely aware of how Saban had abused the AU kicker last year. More abuse, different strategy. That’s one of the many reasons he makes (and earns) the big bucks.

marycontrary

by adeleswims on Oct 26, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

That’s a great point

by Watchman on Oct 26, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can only call 1 TO

To Ice a Kicker, I believe.

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by bobo_the_vol on Oct 26, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can use...

…the other two to ice the snapper and the holder.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 26, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like to use my timeouts

to ice my balls. … But, I guess that was actually off point wasn’t it. Sorry, just practicing for my pending vasectomy.

Dr. BamaFrazier is IN!

by BamaFrazier on Oct 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take your meds...

…they go great with beer….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 27, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's actually an NFL rule.

You can’t call consecutive timeouts in the NFL but can unload them all in the college game.

by Paranormal on Oct 26, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Icing

I’m pretty sure there’s a new rule about calling timeouts consecutively..I think you can only call two in a row now or something before being penalized…

"What happened yesterday is history. What happens tomorrow is a mystery. What we do today makes a difference." -Nick Saban

People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do.

by AndrewUA on Oct 26, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You can't in the NFL...

but I’m pretty sure you still can in NCAA. At least that was the case last year when I saw a coach (team escapes me right now) use all three before going into the half. It worked in that case.

"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant

by TopDaddy on Oct 26, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember Joe Kines?

He used all three TOs at the end of the 06 Independence Bowl.

36-0

by Bamabrave4 on Oct 26, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lane Kiffin must..

have went to the Mike Shula School of play calling. i’d thought with 35 seconds you try to run another play to get it closer – i think considering the earlier miss from 47 and the block you take your chanced with a longer field goal and not call a timeout to let tennessee get another play off.

by MDBSax on Oct 26, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Calculated risk, in my opinion...

That kick would have been 44 yds, I believe.

Going into that kick, UT’s PK was 1/4 from 40+ yards, with his one success being a low pressure situation late in the game against Ohio. Two of those misses from 40+ had already happened in our game: one block which wouldn’t have had a chance to begin with, and the other falling short right before half.

I think Saban was confident in this kid’s lack of confidence at this point.

"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant

by TopDaddy on Oct 26, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

at that point

our D looked pretty tired and porous. (they’d given up like 80 plus yards on 6 or 7 plays since the fumble recovery) and you have to consider that Lincoln was 1 for 3 going into that kick having missed from 47 and having a 43 yarder blocked.

i’m not sure is CNS did evaluate those things at the time, but it would seem to me that if he did, he erred on the side that favored us most, and it worked out. so it was either genius, or luck, or both. but i prefer to think of it as fate. The Legend of Terrence Cody simply would not allow us to lose. saban must have felt that somewhere deep in his gut.

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Oct 26, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is CNS...

…we’re talking about here…of course it’s brilliant strategy.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 26, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant because . . .

Saban knew his opponent and knew that in a time crunch and having to think on his feet Kiffin would panic and fail to call the correct play to edge closer to a field goal. Neither Crompton nor Kiffin have shown good game management skills—apply pressure then at all costs, make them beat you.

by MeanBobMean on Oct 27, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs


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