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Why Lane Kiffin and Tennessee Fans Are Stupid (Among Other Reasons)

ed. - We'd like to extend a warm welcome to all of our new friends from Vol Nation, especially PhillyVol and tommyut, who apparently can't read the time stamp of the article which clearly indicates this was posted October 28th, the Wednesday after the game. If there's anyone who hasn't moved on, it's your friend orangetaz for posting a link to a topic that's almost two weeks old.

Believe it or not, there's apparently a conspiracy theory afoot. I don't know if the ol' vaunted REC has finally gotten to the SEC officials or what, but either way Lane Kiffin is talking of "magical" flags appearing, and when SEC Commissioner Mike Slive told him to shut up, that just meant it was time for Ed Orgeron to run his mouth talking about the officials favoring the conference's best teams. And, of course, this all comes against a backdrop of countless Tennessee fans whining about the officiating Saturday.

It all sounds incredibly stupid to me, but even so I want to take a closer look at the penalties called against the Vols on Saturday and see exactly what happened. And to that end, with the help of flaco, we're going to do just that.

From the outset, it should be noted that Tennessee was flagged with eight penalties on Saturday afternoon. Four of those penalties, however, consisted of three false starts and one delay of game penalty. None of those penalties can be seriously questioned. They are all elementary calls that need no further explanation via film review. That alone takes half of the penalties off the board, and leaves us only four for consideration. Those four penalties are as follows:

  1. Pass interference on a ball thrown to Julio Jones on a 3rd and 8
  2. Illegal block on Javier Arenas' long punt return
  3. Holding on Tennessee while the Vols were driving into Alabama territory
  4. Roughing the punter immediately before Ingram's fumble

Let's take a closer look at all four of these penalties, beginning with the pass interference call on the pass to Julio Jones. Click the following clip for the play:


This penalty comes on a 3rd and 8 from the 'Bama 35-yard line, with about two minutes remaining in the first quarter. The penalty results in a 'Bama first down, and ultimately a Leigh Tiffin field goal.

Specifically, the flag is thrown on Dennis Rogan, and it's hard to complain too much about this call. Julio runs a hard slant inside, gets the proper positioning, but there is contact from Rogan the entire way. There is nothing overly egregious here, but again there is a good deal of contact beginning at the snap and continuing throughout the route, and the ball is clearly close enough to be considered catchable, so again it's hard to cite any real officiating error on this play. Any reasonable referee could have thrown a flag here, and this one did, after watching the route develop the entire way.

Star-divide

The next penalty comes via an illegal block early in the third quarter. Click the following clip for the play


Keep your eye on Denarius Moore in this clip. Javier Arenas has open field in front of him, and he is racing up the right sideline with two blockers -- Dre Kirkpatrick and Chris Rogers -- in front of him. With the way this play is set up, this one is going to be a huge return, plain and simple, and perhaps even a touchdown.

Moore, however, changes that by committing a textbook illegal block, i.e. a block below the waist. He clearly lunges for the lower legs of Dre Kirkpatrick, and the move clearly pays off. By doing so he takes both Kirkpatrick and Rogers out of the play, and forces Arenas to alter his route so that his Tennessee teammates can stop him a couple of yards further up field. Naturally, there is a referee watching all of about five yards away from the foul, and he immediately throws a flag. No conspiracies here, this is a textbook rule violation that any competent official would flag. Again, no one could rationally complain about this flag being thrown.

And in any event, two more points should be made here. One, this is actually a great play by Moore, and a classic example of where committing a penalty is actually beneficial to your team. Second, and finally, it should be pointed out that even if this were a blown call, it would have had no real impact on the game. Alabama went three-and-out in the following possession, and the ensuing P.J. Fitzgerald punt sailed out of the back of the endzone.

On to the third penalty...

This penalty is a holding penalty called on Tennessee center Cody Sullins for tackling Alabama defensive end Brandon Deaderick. And, once again, this is a clear violation. Deaderick is playing inside and gets great penetration into the Tennessee backfield, and upon seeing this Sullins grabs him by the shoulder pads and simply drags him to the ground. Regardless of your personal interpretation of the NCAA rule regarding offensive holding, it's clear this play qualifies as a penalty.

Now, to be sure, this was a costly penalty for the Vols. The run resulted in a one-yard gain, and it would have set up a 3rd and 7 for the Vols from the 'Bama 16-yard line. Instead, it created a 2nd and 18 from the 'Bama 27-yard line, and after two incomplete passes the Vols had a field goal attempt blocked by Terrence Cody. Nevertheless, the fact that it was costly doesn't make it a bad call. Far from it, it's as easy of a call as you can ever get for a referee. Offensive linemen cannot tackle defensive linemen. This is football, not Ultimate Fighting. Period.

On to the fourth penalty...

The final penalty for the Vols comes via roughing the punter. And once again, this one is in no way whatsoever a controversial call. Chris Donald comes in to try to block the punt, and clearly makes pretty hard contact with Alabama punter P.J. Fitzgerald. There is no grand acting job by Fitzgerald on this punt, or anything of the sort. He gets roughed up, and the flag gets thrown. Simple enough.

Furthermore, as was the case with the Vols' previous special teams penalty, it should be pointed out that even if this penalty was bogus, it nevertheless actually turned out well for the Vols. David Oku called for a fair catch of the 'Bama punt at the Tennessee 44-yard line, and when Mark Ingram fumbled on the following play, it resulted in Tennessee taking over at the 'Bama 43-yard line. In other words, oddly enough, this penalty actually gave the Vols an extra 13 yards of field position.

And those are the calls, all eight of them, plain and simple. No grand conspiracy theories here, no "magical" penalties, or anything of the sort. These were all easy calls that no one could really rationally dispute, and with that in mind that it should come as no great surprise that all of the puke orange complaints over the officiating have been general in nature, and not specific criticisms of the specific calls. Simply put, they don't have a leg to stand on.

Furthermore, all of this juvenile pissing and moaning completely overlooks the fact that Tennessee had several calls in this game go their way, and unjustifiably so. You can see that just by looking at the film of the last drive. Watch the following clip, and keep your eye close on the tight end who goes in motion:

This play comes with a mere 1:10 remaining in the game and Tennessee facing a 2nd and 10. Tennessee tight end Luke Stocker goes in motion, and is responsible for sealing off Alabama defensive end / linebacker Chavis Williams while Crompton rolls out to the right. But Williams is a quick player -- a linebacker by physical build -- and he shoots to the inside of Stocker, who is expecting Williams to move to the outside, and he gets into the backfield. So what does Stocker do? He grabs ahold of Williams jersey for dear life, clearly committing a holding penalty in the process. Without the holding, who knows? Maybe Williams gets the sack, but at the least he disrupts the throw and likely forces an incompletion, so the Vols would have been facing 3rd and 10 with about one minute remaining. Instead, the hold gives Crompton time, and he founds Gerald Jones for a 14-yard gain, giving the Vols' new life at the 'Bama 45-yard line.

With the penalty, it would give the Vols a 2nd and 20 at their own 31-yard line with only about 60 seconds left, a call that would completely alter the course of the game. But where is the penalty? Where is that "magical" penalty flag for such an obvious infraction? Where is that conspiracy? It's nowhere to be found, and instead the yellow yankie sits in the referees back pocket while the Vols get a freebie to march down field for a potential game-winning field goal attempt. Conspiracy, my ass.

Lane Kiffin may have gone conservative at the end, and he can blame it all he wants on fears of the officials screwing his team over. But such claims have no legitimate foundation, as we see here. At absolute most, he should have said that he went conservative at the end because he had no confidence in his players to not shoot themselves in the foot with boneheaded penalties. But of course Kiffin would rather run his mouth about everything but his own team, and if the truth gets in the way of that, then the truth be damned. Same thing goes for all of the Tennessee fans repeating his propaganda.

And that is why Lane Kiffin and Tennessee fans are stupid, among other reasons.

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Great analysis, but UT fans will still whine that there were Bama penalties that the refs overlooked, et al.

I’m glad it played out the way it did and we broke their hearts.

by brandonh on Oct 28, 2009 1:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I watched the replay today on CSS...

I couldn’t tell you exactly how many missed holding calls I seen on UT. I know there was one toward the end on their only touchdown drive, but after we scored three (due to Julio Jones’ defender PI’ing him all day), on UT’s first possession they handed the ball off to Hardesty and one of their linemen had his arms wrapped nearly all the way around one of our linemen, nearly spinning him all the way around as Hardesty zipped right by him. That was a blatant call that was “overlooked”.

But you don’t hear these brainwashed “conspiracy theorists” say anything about those missed calls, do you?

by rhYno on Oct 28, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone in my section was screaming “holding!!!” at the refs on the last drive. Everyone in the stadium saw it.

We have dealt with the lack of holding calls since Ole Miss.

by brandonh on Oct 28, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/photo?photoId=2366077&teamId=333

Where’s the flag for this one as well? His helmet’s CLEARLY off after the onsides kick.

“Tennessee players Janzen Jackson (15) and Art Evans (25) react after the Volunteers successfully made an onside kick in the fourth quarter of an NCAA college football game against Alabama at Bryant-Denny Stadium in Tuscaloosa, Ala., Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009. Tennessee recovered the ball but failed to score when Alabama blocked a last second field goal and won 12-10. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)”

rolls eyes

by rhYno on Oct 28, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dead the **** on.

I actually was wondering how many were false starts…I thought they had four or five of them, making up at least half of the coconspirators whistles. Three and a delay of game. Can’t really grumble about that. And Chavis’ hold was only the most egregious. Poor Marcel was getting dragged down every other third f’n play.

"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch

by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 28, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU!

best. post. ever.
that no-call hold on that UT play was horrible! I heard my mom screaming about it in DC all the way in NC…

enjoy...

by SpockJenkins on Oct 28, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You were so wrong Kiffinkins.

Good grief they are such a bunch of tools up at UT. I sung “F you rocky top go to Hell Tennessee” all night long.

36-0

"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood."- The Bear

by Bham03UAgrad on Oct 28, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As a great man said recently...

“They’re sore losers, ‘cause they’re not Alabama….”

Shorty Price Lives

by StarStarr on Oct 28, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for this

This really aggravated me, not only because it is Tennessee. But because it is dishonoring the courage of our beaten up team shining through when they were pinned up against a wall. Lane Kiffin and Ed Orgeron can eat it. I am proud of the tide, get some rest and then kick LSU’s A$$.

by JonnyMitts on Oct 28, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey did you hear Tenn.lost 12-10?

I live in the past and I'm better than you.

by Destindune on Oct 28, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you know if Eddie Lacy qualified?

:-)

MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--

BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.

by Bamagrad on Oct 28, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you

I had missed the blatant hold on their final drive and we are the ones with “magical flags”. UT’s magical flag must have been invisible.

Great Game Hokies! What a battle!

by The Voice of Reason on Oct 28, 2009 2:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kiffin and Orgeron are so obnoxious

I hate Tennessee but respect them. I was so upset when they hired Kiffin and Orgeron because I despise both of those guys from their days at Southern Cal. I wish they’d gone to Washington. Tennessee could have hired Mike Leach or Brian Kelly. Anyone would have been easier to stomach than Lane and Ed.

MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--

BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.

by Bamagrad on Oct 28, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Orgeron is still pissed about the illegal touching call against Ole Miss from a few years ago.

even though the refs got that one right. He’s a giant douchebag.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Oct 28, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

8? I heard 10.

I read somewhere else that there were 10 flags thrown against UT, but we declined two. Do you know how those came out?

by tide96 on Oct 28, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Alabama fans are stupid ...

Because they were born that way.

If you think that your valiant team, fighting for their lives and their No. 1 ranking against the team you guys call “inferior” was guilty of ZERO penalties during the second half, then you’re blinded by your crimson arrogance.

There is no conspiracy about the game. You guys won fair and square. Any time we have three opportunities to kick a field goal that would have won the game and fail on all three, we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

One thing I don’t understand: You guys sure have been crowing an awful lot this week. Either you lost to a poor team with a poor coaching staff and you should be ashamed … or … you should be impressed that the Vols were able to hang with such an awesome juggernaut.

Which one is it, Bammers? I’ll hang up and listen.

by The Ghost on Oct 28, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

I was impressed that the Vols were able to hang in there, and almost get the upset.

What i haven’t been impressed with is all the bitching and moaning and conspiracy talk coming from your coaching staff. Man up and take your loss and don’t make excuses for it.

Obviously we didn’t have any penalties during the second half, i just watched the replay and didn’t see anything that jumped out at me.

I'm in no condition to drive...wait! I shouldn't listen to myself, I'm drunk.

by That Other Dave on Oct 28, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So it’s not ok for Alabama fans to defend their team when blatantly wrong and unfounded attacks assail us? We have to just sit there and pretend like Kiffin has some sort of immunity and can spread whatever lies he wants? Ha!

by squinky86 on Oct 28, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you think that your valiant team, fighting for their lives and their No. 1 ranking against the team you guys call "inferior" was guilty of ZERO penalties during the second half, then you’re blinded by your crimson arrogance.

How about you come up with something substantive. Clean games (and of course halves) happen all the time. I haven’t seen any specific complaints of missed calls on UA outside of the timed jump on a snap on your first possession that was close, but I believe on the replay Danielson said it was a good no-call. Our DL just timed your snap really well.

This is just a really pathetic argument unless you can come up with specific examples of bogus no-calls.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Oct 28, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guarantee any suspect no-calls on UA you’ll come up with won’t be nearly as blatant or game changing as the pass interference no call we had with Julio in the endzone or the holding no-call outsidethelines gave video evidence of earlier.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Oct 28, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

he just confirmed exactly what OTS said…

it should come as no great surprise that all of the puke orange complaints over the officiating have been general in nature, and not specific criticisms of the specific calls. Simply put, they don’t have a leg to stand on.

So I’ll have to echo Zoltar here, if you are going to go down this road, it might be a good idea to be a bit more specific about it.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Oct 28, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’re not looking for examples of whining or really weak statistical analysis.

How about examples of plays. Got any of those?

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Oct 30, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

way to show class there

Mr. Third Saturday in Fartober…you sound like the guys over at RTT…“WHINE WHINE WHINE” “WHY AREN”T THE BAMMERS GIVING US CREDIT" “WHINE WHINE WHINE” Jesus man…You’d think you ‘d have other things to do than come here and put together such a lame attempt to "show those bammers who’s boss"…GO back to your shit site and think about this…Your coach….is…Lane Kiffin…Hopefully that won’t make you commit suicide…If it does…I really wouldn’t blame you…

Good day and ROLL TIDE BITCHES!

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Oct 28, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FTW
Or maybe the guy who preaches about doing everything the right way is just coaching up a more disciplined team than the guy who can’t be bothered to even know the rules of the game he’s coaching?

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Oct 28, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lemme second that...

BOOM! Roasted.

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by BamaReturns07 on Oct 28, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think...

… we have been particularly brash. And in fact, far from it, most have said outright — myself included — that we played poorly last week, and that we were very fortunate to win. And in fact, several of us, again myself included, have said that the Vols truthfully deserved to win.

Nevertheless, the point remains you guys choked. There was no “magical” flags, no conspiracy, no bias towards ‘Bama and Florida. You guys choked. End of story. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Everybody chokes sometimes, and the mere fact that you guys were even in a position to choke means you played a hell of a lot better than most expected, including many of your own fans.

That said, though, you still got beat and you still choked. Own up to it.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Oct 28, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they won't

and can’t…They can bitch all day but god forbid we actually…you know…show proof we are right…all they have is mud slinging..

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Oct 28, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nevertheless, the point remains you guys choked.

Absolutely correct. As much as I hate to type this, Mark Ingram handed UT the opportunity on a silver platter. Its not the official’s fault they couldn’t cash in.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Oct 28, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are mistaking Bama fans “crowing” for the whining coming from your coaches’ mouths.

by brandonh on Oct 28, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, the first reply on this page predicted the exact argument you would try to make. Your argument was moot before you typed it, almost like your football program was moot before it’s inception.

by brandonh on Oct 28, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bwahaha

Seriously? The video evidence supports the penalties that were called that Kiffin is crying about. How ’bout this, Ghost? Come up with video evidence of plays that Bama should have been called for in the 2nd half and post it here. Is it really that hard to comprehend a team playing a penalty-free half of football?!

by jgforua on Oct 28, 2009 3:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

UT has stayed

focused on this just long enough to get beat by SC—then who are they going to blame?

Over the years I’ve seen Bama get plenty of bad calls that cost us games. Once in the Bluebonett (sp?) Bowl (1960) against Texas we had a back tackled falling into the end zone and he clearly scored but the SWC ref said he was down at the 1 inch line. We tied that game 3-3. After the game they asked Coach Bryant how he felt about the obvious bad call that cost us a bowl victory. Bryant said something to the effect that if the play had worked the back would have gone in the end zone standing up.

The point is it is the rarest of games where a team really loses because of the ref. Arky lost to UF because their guy missed a FG, or because they played for a FG late rather than a TD, UT did the same thing.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Oct 28, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The point is it is the rarest of games where a team really loses because of the ref. Arky lost to UF because their guy missed a FG, or because they played for a FG late rather than a TD, UT did the same thing.

I think it’s wrong to blame a loss directly on any particular thing. Arkansas lost in part because of missed FG’s, but they also lost because the refs screwed them repeatedly.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Oct 28, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love it!

You had to go back to 1960.

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA.

by The Ghost on Oct 29, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He...

…didn’t have to go back that far; he chose that example to illustrate that this is not a recent phenomenon. If you could take the time to stop trying to slight people, read something more than once, and attempt to think, we wouldn’t have to point this kind of thing out to you.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 29, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There were obvious calls......

against Tennessee that were never made, its call the human element you UcheaT morons. Deadrick was held and almost tackled from behind on the roll out play that got the drive started. Also, Danielson pointed out that the vols should have flagged for an illegal pick on another pass play in the 1st half, and of course the obvious pass interference against Julio in the end zone.
I have been an official, and have blown calls before, but to say the fix is in, is the lowest common denominator for any fan, but inexcusable for any coach at this level.

I don't mind bad news, and I don't mind good news, but I can't stand surprises! Coach Nick Saban

by jtCRIMSON on Oct 28, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

is the lowest common denominator for any fan, but inexcusable for any coach at this level.

Dude…we are talking about UT…of course they are the lowest

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Oct 28, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BOOM goes the dynamite

great post, and very thorough as usual

by refoy009 on Oct 28, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BOOM, indeed!

I was magnanimous—and terrifically drunk—following the game, and spread the love on UT boards. I stood up for Lane Kiffin and Jonathan Crompton, and said they earned our respect by a hard-fought, close game.

But all this whining SURE is making me want to take all that back. Kiffin, particularly, could have benefited from keeping his mouth shut and playing a close game (I feel the same way about Dan Mullen), but he just couldn’t do it.

OTS nail it down as always—and with heavy-duty examples—proving again why RBR is what I read first every day.

Never quit. It is the easiest cop-out in the world.

by gorjus on Oct 28, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

RBR is what I read first every day

.

Here Here!!

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Oct 28, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reason No. 2,317

that I love this site.

"You either have to be first, best or different." ~ Loretta Lynn

by SoundCheckMama on Oct 28, 2009 4:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have never seen...

a team talk SO MUCH SH** after LOSING a game! But I guess that’s what I should expect from Lane Kiffin.

The fact is, every team gets bad calls sometime or another. As far as I can tell, UT DIDN’T get any Saturday. The only reason this is being discussed is because of two games Alabama was not a part of. The crew from those games has been suspended, and every other game I’ve seen has been good. The officials aren’t perfect – but they’re pretty good. And they certainly haven’t been the reason anyone lost their game.

by billycthulhu on Oct 28, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no THATS the OTS i'm used to

solid work.

i cant wait til november 7th!

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Oct 29, 2009 1:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It is sad to see the immaturity

displayed by Head Coaches these days. I guess it is a side-effect of having younger head coaches.

Kiffen is doing a disservice to his team and fans by giving them an external excuse for losing a game that they threw away.

Tennessee should have beaten Bama on Saturday, but they didn’t. Bama had a few guys step up their game enough to make up for some of the falterings of their teammates and some dirty gameplay from UT.

UT just didn’t have it in them to win and it shows in how they’ve reacted to the loss.

by crimson37 on Oct 29, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Saban was being incredibly mature

When he called out YOU GUYS — the BAMA FANS — when you had your butts handed to you by Utah last year.

Saban is so mature and not arrogant at all. I wish we had somebody like Saban.

by The Ghost on Oct 29, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coach Saban...

…was right…it makes a difference. He didn’t blame the loss on the fans, but he did point out that the lack of enthusiasm leading up to the game and during the game had an impact on the team. One thing you probably wouldn’t know is that he also does a great job of showing his appreciation when the fans do their part…or exceed it. See if you can find a copy of his press conference following the win over UT, or the Nick Saban Show, and you’ll see what I mean.

Coach Saban didn’t give an external excuse for losing the game…but your boy did.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 29, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope, for Ghost’s sake, that he’s being intentionally dense.

Anyone who honestly believes that Saban blamed the fans for the loss — or anyone who things Saban equated the UL-Monroe loss to 9/11 — just does not understand English. That’s really the bottom line and the only answer.

Simply reading all of the words in the sentences without trying to make them into something they’re not will bear that out.

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Oct 30, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ghost cannot address the specifics of the argument

so he’s deliberately obfuscating the issue. until he puts up a rebuttal to the points in the post above, his comments are to be treated simply as i’ll informed trolling.

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by kleph on Oct 30, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was such a great article

That I emailed it to Chris Lowe and to Finebaum. I wanted to email it to Gary Dickhead’sson, but he has no listed contact info. Wonder why?

But, anyway, thanks for taking the time to do such a great, rational, cold-light-of-day article. UT has no response, other than emotional gushing, because they have behaved like a bunch of losers. They need a 12 step program, to learn to accept the consequences of their own actions and stop blaming others. " I am Lame Kitten, and I am a loser." Ya gotta start somewhere.

marycontrary

by adeleswims on Oct 29, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but...

Coach K says that the Moore illegal block (infraction #20) was him simply falling down at just the perfect spot to launch his body into the knees of two players to bust up the long run. It was an accident!!! Yeah, right…

by Bobby Bouchet on Oct 29, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

uhh

meant to say infraction #2…

by Bobby Bouchet on Oct 29, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did he...

…really say that? I mean, that sounds like the kind of garbage that spills from his spit hole, but he didn’t really come up with something that lame…did he? Lame…Kitten.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 29, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

QEDMF

If this has already been pointed out then I apologize but I find this consiparcy talk interesting. If indeed the officials were trying to give the game to Bama, why then did the officials NOT over-turn Ingram’s fumble on review. It was pretty close and could have been overturned and would have killed any chance of a comeback.

by JohnG77 on Oct 29, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's irrelevant

Of course it was a fumble, but the point is that this would be the point in the game where the “in the tank” officials could have given the game to Bama, but they didn’t. It doesn’t matter how obvious it was….just ask a Mizzou fan about “5th down” for an example of how badly officials can screw up. Had the officals overturned the fumble it would not have been the worst call I have ever seen.

by JohnG77 on Oct 30, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dan Mullen may disagree...

…but it would be pretty difficult to overturn that call using the video evidence…you know, since it was clearly a fumble and all….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Oct 30, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boise State

After reading from this blog I have totally changed my mind.After you read this I want you to remember this. Your going to LOSE LOSE LOSE,against THE GATORS at the SEC title game.I hate you people now.I didn’t before but I sure as hell do now.You just about got your inbred ass kicked by an unranked team.You didn’t even score a touch down against an unranked team.I pray you have to play Boise State and I hope they kick your ass just like Utah did last year.Your kicker will not beat the Gators.May health and wealth follow you all of your days and never catch up.

by Barry L on Nov 8, 2009 9:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs


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