He had command of his pitches, if he was a baseball pitcher. He was throwing the ball in the right place. He was throwing on time. He did a good job executing what he was supposed to do in the game. So we're pleased with that, very pleased with it. I think that's how we want him to play."
Gentry Estes: 'A better outlook' leads to a rebound performance for Tide QB Greg McElroy
I found this quote from Coach Saban very interesting. When you average only four yards per attempt over the course of roughly 30 passing attempts, you have to think intuitively that your quarterback didn't play well. Yet Saban gives a pretty glowing review of McElroy's performance.
From the sound of things, it seems like we were just trying to play dink and dunk against Tennessee and not turn it over, and McElroy obviously did just that. On the other hand, though, with Saban talking later in the presser about how we needed to be less risk adverse offensively, I'm thinking we probably will open things up a bit more against LSU.
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I honestly
didn’t think McElroy played too bad against Tennessee. He had some drops by the recievers and McElwain was only calling short passes. I think we take some deep shots against LSU with Maze and Hanks.
This upcoming season I'm gonna refer to Julio Jones as "The Magic Man" and Trent Richardson as "El Diablo"
by AlabamaTitans2009 on Oct 29, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McElwain must
have been scared that McElroy would throw some more picks like he did against South Carolina. I hope we open the offense back up.
This upcoming season I'm gonna refer to Julio Jones as "The Magic Man" and Trent Richardson as "El Diablo"
by AlabamaTitans2009 on Oct 29, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if that's true
What kind of signal does that send to your young QB who just suffered through a pretty tough game vs. So. Car.? That you cant trust him to be integral to the gameplan and that you just hope Leigh Tiffin the running game magically puts points on the board?
Finally, even if that was the thinking from McElwain, how on earth do you open up the running game by letting Rogen squat on all the short routes (and, by proxy, Berry crowd the line).
If that was the gameplan, it was piss poor, not only in execution but in conceptualization.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 30, 2009 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could very well be that
Saban sees that McElroy executed the game plan given by Coach McElwain, but that he wasn’t satisfied with that game plan.
How much do you think we changed things up to avoid Eric Berry?
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by animalcracker on Oct 29, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not much...
Don’t get me wrong, Berry is a great player, but you aren’t going to drastically alter your game plan based on one defensive player.
I think the bigger issue was just how poorly that McElroy played against Tennessee.
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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 29, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
south carolina
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Oct 30, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was that hit by Berry that changed McElroy's path for the rest of the game....
How did he come thru the line so cleanly?
Got that winning feelin'
by skycaster on Oct 30, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the stats...
LSU is dead last in the “Sacks by” category.
Hopefully this will help us be “more aggressive” in the passing game.
by STLbama on Oct 29, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right...
… only 9 sacks this year for LSU on 216 passing attempts. That’s an Adjusted Sack Rate of only 4.16%, which in any given year is “good” for worst in the SEC.
And keep in mind that they have done that against a schedule that is far from impressive. Florida is a hell of a team, obviously, but no other team on LSU’s slate to date will get north of 6-6. And, in fact, looking at their official web site, they went four whole games without a sack (ULL through Florida). They’ve legitimately had a lot of problems getting after the passer.
Like I said earlier today, I think this is the weakest that LSU has been up front since Saban really got them going.
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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 29, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand...
… Tennessee was basically in the same boat. They’ve gotten a mere 10 sacks on the year on 214 passing attempts, so their ASR is only 4.67%. That’s just fractions of a percentage point higher than UT.
On the other hand, with that said, Tennessee ultimately got 0 sacks and 2 QB hurries on 29 passing attempts against the Tide. Hopefully we’ll get a repeat of that performance this year against LSU, and hopefully we’ll take advantage of it more in the passing game than we did against the Vols.
Last year LSU didn’t sack Wilson a single time, and we need that to continue this year.
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by outsidethesidelines on Oct 29, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thought I had throughout the UT game
Why don’t we take any more shots down the field when opposing defenses are in man coverage? I guess I am just remembering the Shula years where we tried it at least twice a game. It seems like Julio Jones and Mike McCoy would both be able to come down with the ball at least half of the time.
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by animalcracker on Oct 29, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
right
under shula at least once a game we’d run a madden-style play action fake to a streaking receiver, problem is the only receiver who ever caught that was prothro. We still do this from time to time with Julio but he’s usually blanketed. to me when you are playing single man safety (as Tenn was for some/much of the game) you’d think you could attack the deep corners consistently – make berry pick a side and shoot the other way, but you know that’s just a layman’s opinion, fwiw
by cjbama on Oct 30, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saban talking later in the presser about how we needed to be less risk adverse offensively
When he first made that comment after the game, he did not sound happy at all with Mcilwain.
by Crimsoncaller on Oct 29, 2009 11:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been thinking that maybe the plan was to use a short passing game to try to get McElroy into a rhythm to build his confidence and help him get out of the funk he’s been in. And there was some success in that: while he obviously wasn’t great, I thought for the first time since North Texas he improved from the previous game. I thought his throws were for the most part accurate. Unfortunately he still rushed his progressions some, had his receivers drop a few, and Tennessee DBs had a few good PBU’s or his numbers would have been a little better. This quote also sounds like a coach trying to build McE’s confidence.
I’m also hopefull on the offense improving going forward. I don’t think anything physically has changed from when we were averaging 35 points per game. We haven’t lost a Prothro or an Andre Smith or have a lot of people playing significantly less than 100%. Besides playing better defenses, I really think the struggles the last few weeks are mental in nature, both in our OC’s playcalling and our QB adjusting to faster and better Defenses. As such, they are correctable with time and effort. The speed at which the corrections come will determine what if any hardware we end up with this year. The good thing is that we have a bye week now, and if we can get past LSU the remaining teams on our schedule shouldn’t be able to beat us unless we beat ourselves. So, we’ve got five weeks with only one major challenge to get the kinks worked out before we really need to be clicking in the SECCG.
by zeke2029 on Oct 29, 2009 11:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Overall
I dont think McElroy had a bad game at all….I certainly think there were chances where it would’ve been more appropriate to take a chance down the field instead of hitting the drop down read (i.e., 4 and 5 drop off to Upchurch instead of hitting Julio wide open on a slant)….but when you look back at the film out of 29 pass attempts…he really only had 3..maybe 4 actual bad throws…the other incompletions were nice PBU’s by a steadily improving UT secondary, drops, or the one pass interference call….the 2 bad throws that really caught my eye was the pass to Maze in the 1st quarter where he badly overthrew it to the sideline…but to be fair it was a harder throw than it looked because we were lined up on the left hash and the route brought maze all the way to the right sideline which is a decent amount of grass to cover…..and the other was the TE out route we threw the Smelley that should’ve resulted in a 1st down….McElroy threw it early and behind Smelley, and Smelley never even saw the ball…I’m not sure if Greg was too anxious or if he thought Brad was going to make his break earlier….either way, it was not a very good throw. Concerning our “dink and dunk” passing attack last game…..while it is important to take what the defense gives you and to be very wary of turnovers (especially in a tight game, with the lead, and with Eric Berry playing centerfield)….it is equally important too, as I stated in a previous post, to put “air in the defense”….by taking deep passing attempts down the field early in the game, and occasionally throughout the game you create a lot of things that benefit the rest of the offensive gameplan as a whole….1) you generate a larger degree of separation between the WRs and DB’s in the pre-snap alignment 2) You force the safeties to play the pass first, giving your RBs more time to reach the 8 and 9 gaps (outside lanes), and on inside runs, get farther up the field before reaching the 3rd level of the defense….3) it makes defensive coordinators extremely hesistant to call Safety/Corner blitzes, which in turn makes pass protection that much easier. In summary, even if the deep throws are for the most part unsuccessful (and with receivers like Julio, Hanks, and Maze we have proven deep-threats), it is incredibly important to take the deep shots to open things up and make the defense cover a larger portion of the field. I’m sure Saban is well aware of all of this and I wouldn’t be suprised if we take a couple shots early in the game and then fairly regularly throughout the rest. Roll Tide
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by InTheShadowOfMtCody on Oct 29, 2009 11:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Two words: kid gloves.
No good can come from Saban rattling his junior QB the week before a big game against LSU. For all we know, McElroy could be sharp in practice, but for whatever reason he hasn’t been able to duplicate the performance on the last few game days.
by Lawboy on Oct 30, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
with Eric Berry only 7 yards away...
from breaking the NCAA record for interception return yards, maybe that was a good descision…
enjoy...
by SpockJenkins on Oct 30, 2009 8:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LEAVE GREG MCELROY ALONE!!!

Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
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