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I rarely listen to Finebaum, but OTS e-mailed wanting to know if any of us had heard Hurt so I downloaded and listened to it and think y'all should as well (link above is directly to the mp3 file of his segment) for two reasons.

1. The best commentary on the officiating being part of a conspiracy I've heard yet. If there really was a conspiracy going on, the "running into the kicker" penalty would have been a fifteen yard automatic first down "roughing" call instead of the "five yard, make 'em go for it on 4th" kind.

2. McElroy almost pulled? This one is a little mind boggling, but Hurt claims at half time there were rumors among the press guys that McElroy was this close to getting pulled. The mind boggling part is that there was talk he was getting pulled for McCarron. I sincerely doubt that was the case (as does Hurt) since McCarron is a true freshman and we've already had Jackson running the offense in a game (played almost half of the UNT game), but McCarron was the one calling the signals on the sideline, which is usually the backup's job. Strange indeed.

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There's absolutely no way that Saban pulls the redshirt off of McCarron

barring about four injuries. I think we’d run the Wildcat full-time before putting AJ in.

by rugman11 on Nov 10, 2009 8:22 PM CST reply actions  

You better believe it would happen...

… if the coaching staff really felt that McCarron is needed to pull us through — with a division, conference, and national championship clearly on the line — then you can rest assured we would have put him in the game and not thought twice about it. We wouldn’t do that in a normal mop-up duty situation, but if our staff really thought he could legitimately come in and lead us to the promised land, he’d be in there, redshirt be damned.

I’d bet my life that our coaching staff would have burned that redshirt faster than a hippie would burn a flag at a Vietnam protest. That shit would be burnt to ashes in a couple of seconds.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 10, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Lee Corso: How would you describe tailgating at Alabama?
Kirk Herbstreit: Barbecue and Ralph Lauren

by animalcracker on Nov 10, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I’m just working on the fact that I hadn’t seen or heard anything so far this season that would suggest that McCarron has moved ahead of Jackson or Darrah on the depth chart. Obviously, him calling signals on the sideline was a surprise to me. I know that the coaching staff would do what they think is best in order to get the win, I just hadn’t seen anything to indicate that they think AJ would do a better job than Star at this point.

by rugman11 on Nov 10, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, you're right...

… we have certainly head nothing on that front, but then again why would we? Saban doesn’t allow assistants to speak to the media, and we haven’t seen a back-up quarterback come into a game since North Texas left town. And, of course, Saban doesn’t really release depth charts, so again we have no way of knowing.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 10, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep...

…faster than you would burn Leigh Tiffin for missing a 58-yard chip shot…
…faster than Todd would burn my eyes with one of his ‘sweetheart’ pick’s pics…
…faster than Nico would burn the midnight oil watching two Asian teams play soccer…
…faster than Kleph would burn you a copy of ‘Repo Man’…
…faster than Pete would burn bridges with any human who dared interact with him…
…faster than comer would burn his knees on a coed’s dorm room carpet…
…faster than tempebamafan would burn a free blunt…
…faster than BR07 would burn any statement or act by our President…
…faster than Spock would burn up the dance flo’ wit his sick moves…
…faster than Bix would burn another brain cell…
…faster than the responses I’m anticipating any day now….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 10, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

whats from the earth

is of the greatest worth…

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Nov 11, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

...the pipe...the pipe...

…just pass the pipe….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 11, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Have you seen Spock dance?

eh….

It is important to find someone who allows you to fulfill your dreams. It is luck if that person finds you, too - Isaiah Zagar

by BamaReturns07 on Nov 11, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll reiterate what I wrote earlier in the aforementioned e-mail...

McCarron was the one signalling in plays from the sideline (which is almost always done under Saban by the back-up QB), and I’ve also read several people saying that in fact it was McCarron running the second team offense in pregame warm-ups. Regardless of the potential veracity of the rumor that McElroy was this close to getting pulled, I feel 100% confident that McCarron was indeed the back-up against LSU.

Now, given the physical skill set of Jordan Jefferson, I’d bet good money that Star ended up drawing scout team duties in the two weeks we were preparing for LSU. That’s fair enough, but even so that doesn’t totally explain why McCarron would have gone in the game instead of Darrah. If we were really interested in saving McCarron’s redshirt, Darrah would have gone in, not McCarron.

Now, in normal mop-up duty situations, I’m 100% certain that either Jackson or Darrah would go into the game. We aren’t going to burn McCarron’s redshirt just so he can play a few series against UTC when the game is out of reach. However, that’s not to say that in a critical situation where a big game is on the line that we wouldn’t bring McCarron in.

Obviously it is all speculation, but based on what I have read, I would speculate that McCarron has looked really good the past several weeks — keep in mind that he got pretty sick at the start of Fall camp and that slowed his progress early — and now he is legitimately the back-up if we in fact need a back-up to come in and play in a meaningful situation.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

by outsidethesidelines on Nov 10, 2009 8:30 PM CST reply actions  

I assume...

you’re including a major injury to McElroy as a “meaningful situation?” Wow. I don’t know what to think. Should I be encouraged that the staff might have that much confidence in McCarron or piss my pants that McElroy is that close to getting pulled?

by Espyonage on Nov 10, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

For what it's worth...

The order I saw in warmups was left to right: McElroy, Jackson, McCarron, Darrah. There was a line of QBs just tossing, getting loose. And that was the order they were standing in.

Terrence Cody didn't like what time the sun came up today. So he reached up, and smacked it down.

by TennesseeTide on Nov 10, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions  

Morgan Ogilvie was the last in that line I believe. Had to look him up.

Terrence Cody didn't like what time the sun came up today. So he reached up, and smacked it down.

by TennesseeTide on Nov 10, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

What's with him...

continually calling out McElroy for being “sensitive”? He seems pretty solid to me.

I did like the bit about the ridiculous nature of the conspiracy theories with the refs, and how LSU was on both sides of the situation, but only squawked when it affected them adversely.

by Queen of the Universe on Nov 10, 2009 9:39 PM CST reply actions  

The whole "conspiracy" thing is as preposterous . . .

as the socalled coach that started espousing it. So the SEC sends a memo out to the officials saying to favor Alabama? Or they orally tell the officials? How long would it take either to get out publicly if they did? And what would they tell them — wait until the 4th quarter to start favoring Alabama but don’t favor them on the roughing the punter penalty? Blown calls affect games — remember Caddell’s catch in 07 and the Keith Brown mugging in 04 — they were more decisive than the Peterson call. But, favoring Alabama — that’s a losers lament if you have ever heard one.

by wey on Nov 10, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Any speculation on the "national" writers . . .

they were pointing out were snoozing in the press box and then got all excited and started twittering during the interception review. My money is on Dennis Dodd — one of the biggest cheapshot :jounalists" going.

by wey on Nov 10, 2009 10:44 PM CST reply actions  

Matt Hayes...

…would be my guess. He was the first one to pretty much come out and say it was a conspiracy. I thought the really interesting part was listening to the sort of “inside baseball” chat between Cecil and Paul. It is pretty clear that the storyline that everyone came into the game wanting to write about is the SEC referees. As soon as the call was made, it was clear what the story was going to be the next day.

In all honesty this is going to be the story, as if everyone did not know, for the rest of the year. Anytime Alabama or Florida get even a questionable call to go their way the storyline is going to be about the referees. I almost wonder if it will cause referees to be overly cautious and may result in calls going to go the other way.

by Kenny483 on Nov 11, 2009 6:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Blast from the past

Wow, I’d forgotten that Cecil existed. Good work, T-News.

by rtr on Nov 10, 2009 11:16 PM CST reply actions  

Seriously...

…you take one of the most gifted sports writers and try to force a business model that has failed everytime it has been used.

by Kenny483 on Nov 11, 2009 6:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I would not have

been shocked to see McCarron come into the game if McElroy had not driven us down the field at the start of the 2nd half.

I know the thought is “Why waste a red shirt year?” I can tell you why, to win the SEC West. I think Saban is the kind of coach that wants to do whatever is necessary to win the game we are playing right now.

I’d even go this far. If we remain undefeated and GMac is killing us against UF I would not be surprsied to see Saban send McCarron in even then and give a whole red shirt year for a chance to win the SEC.

I think in Mike Shula’s freshman year they put him in for about 5 plays in a mop up roll and it cost him a year, now that was a waste. But, to put a guy in to try and win a game is no waste.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Nov 11, 2009 7:46 AM CST reply actions  

McCarron went to St. Paul's

in Mobile and some friends of his family said last week, before the game, that he had been moved up to #2. Some people said, in response no way they would burn that red shirt this late and others, like OTS, said oh yes, they would. My thought was whether he would snap like a skiiny twig if hit pretty hard. He has very litle padding on those bones, so I hope he is very flexible and very fast, if it comes down to it. Hopefully, it won’t.

marycontrary

by adeleswims on Nov 11, 2009 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

What happens...

…in the SEC Championship Game? Do the officials call a perfect game, do they favor Flordia/Alabama, or do their heads explode?

OMG SEC CONSPEERASEE!

by Bama philosophe on Nov 11, 2009 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

Conspiracy theory

For it to be valid in the last game, at least two officials had to be in on it—the one calling the no-interception and the guy in the replay booth, approving it. Human beings are lousy for keeping secrets. My police clients tell me that 95% of murders are solved by the killer telling someone. They say, if you want to kill someone and get away with it, do it yourself and don’t tell your wife, girlfriend, cell mate, etc. So, bribing two and keeping their silence is hard.

What would be easy is sabotaging equipment, as in the replay equipment. Like what happened to our non-reception, at the start of the game. So, really, the more credible theory is that Verne and Gary, in keeping with their Tebow/Meyer obsession, poured coffee into the replay equipment, right after that reception (that was called out) so that we couldn’t get it reviewed. The real conspiracy is by CBS against us, so that FL will win out in the East and won’t have to play us (the better team) and will have an easier time winning the SEC Champs and going on to Pasadena against Boise (that is still in the planning stage). Just see what happens to Texas soon.

marycontrary

by adeleswims on Nov 11, 2009 9:45 AM CST reply actions  

"just see what happens to texas"

you mean bo pellini? i’m starting to think if nebraska wins out they could give texas a serious run for their money, not because nebraska is any good mind you, but because texas is a phoney. a big fat phoney.

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Nov 11, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought

it was interesting to learn that they aren’t using HD monitors for replays. With all the money the SEC is raking in, you’d think they could splurge on some HD monitors. I know that HD Production monitors are more expensive than normal TVs but still….

I'm in no condition to drive...wait! I shouldn't listen to myself, I'm drunk.

by That Other Dave on Nov 11, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions  

McCarron is backup...

I know I’m gonna sound like every other person out there who thinks he’s way more connected than he really is, but I did hear from a pretty reliable source that McCarron was seriously being considered to play Saturday.

Apparently at the beginning of the season he was quite an arrogant prick and the coaching staff told the defense to “RUN HIS ASS IN THE DIRT” as much as they could, and they humbled him a lot, completely changing his overall attitude and, therefore, his style and level of play.

I hear he’s the best pure quarterback on the team right now and the coaching staff seems to agree. I’m not saying it’s 100% b/c it was a second-hand source, but it is interesting nonetheless…

by bama12nat on Nov 11, 2009 2:01 PM CST reply actions  

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