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Initial Impressions from the MSU Game

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A few thoughts from the initial aftermath of the Tide's 31-3 win over Mississippi State:

  • From the outset, you really could not ask for anything more than we did against Mississippi State last night. Considering that we control our own destiny, all we really needed to do was find a way to win, stay healthy, and if we could win in a route then that was all lagniappe. And, sure enough, we found a way to do all three of those things against the Bullies. Again, you really couldn't ask for anything more.
  • Credit Mississippi State for showing up ready to play with an intense crowd. It was the biggest crowd MSU has ever had in Starkvegas, and it was a very good atmosphere from the outset. Moreover, MSU came out firing on all cylinders and gave us some legitimate troubles early. We obviously took control as the game moved on, but it certainly wasn't from a lack of effort on their part. 
  • Defensively, we had a really slow start to this game, and for whatever reason MSU gave us a lot of trouble. On their first two possessions, Mississippi State had 85 yards on only 11 total plays and had a few legitimate big plays to boot. I still don't know exactly what happened, but they gave us a lot of problems early and we were fortunate that they ultimately shot themselves in the foot on both occasions. Fortunately, though, after Mark Barron's interception, the defense simply became dominating. After that, MSU had four possessions the rest of the way in the first half, all of which resulted in three and outs (twelve plays combined for a net of four yards).
  • Speaking of Mississippi State shooting themselves in the foot, that was something they consistently did all night and it was to our great benefit. They had a touchdown on the first play of the game with a decent throw, they stopped themselves on the fourth down try on the first possession, and the interception was a terrible throw by Lee. And that was just in the first six minutes of the game. From there, it really didn't get any better. Bumphis stepped out on a would-be kick return for a touchdown, they missed a chip shot field goal, and had a busted coverage that led to an easy touchdown for 'Bama. All in all, we played pretty well for the most part, but MSU did a lot to help our effort.
  • Offensively it was really a boom-or-bust night. Overall things look very good -- 31 points, 440+ yards of total offense, and 7.7 yards per play -- but those numbers are inflated by a lot of big plays. We had five really big plays in this game that combined to generate at least 21 points and about 230 yards of total offense. Outside of those five big plays, we really had very little success offensively... around 53 snaps offensively for about 200 yards (fewer than four yards per snap). We were basically either hitting huge plays or getting shut down.

Star-divide

  • Largely the same story goes for Mark Ingram. His raw stat line of 19 carries for 149 yards and 2 touchdowns looks great, but he earned it the hard way last night. The big 70-yard touchdown run inflates everything, but when you factor that out he had 18 carries for 79 yards (only 4.3 yards per carry). He played very well, as is usually the case, but the stat line doesn't really do his performance justice. This was far from an easy romp for him, and far from it he had to fight like hell to get everything that he did.
  • And not surprisingly, the same thing goes for the passing game. We had three big plays in the passing game, but aside from that we had 15 passing attempts net only 57 yards (3.8 yards per attempt). Again, the general theme of the night offensively was that we were basically either getting huge plays, or MSU was shutting us down. No real in-between to be found.
  • The touchdown pass to Darius Hanks was a blown coverage by Mississippi State. We had two receivers to the left of the formation -- Hanks and Julio Jones -- and they blitzed a cornerback from that side. That left two defenders matched up against our two wide receivers, and for some reason the Mississippi State safety just kind of lingered out there in no-man's land and didn't really cover anyone. That left Hanks wide open, and a good throw and catch resulted in a touchdown.
  • Hat tip to Trent Richardson for good pass protection on that play. He came across from the other side of the formation and did a good job picking up the blitzing defensive back, and that allowed this play to develop. Without that, this play likely ends in a sack.
  • The touchdown pass to Julio Jones was a blown coverage, too, but it honestly wouldn't have mattered one way or the other. Even without the blown coverage, Julio would have been manned up on a safety and McElroy delivered an absolute strike. The blown coverage made it easier, of course, but in reality this would have been a touchdown either way.
  • Both touchdown passes came on a variation of the same play, and in both cases Mississippi State blew it. It was a post / corner route combo in both situations, and they couldn't cover it either time.
  • Marquis Maze had another good night, and we targeted him more often than any other receiver, something that is becoming a bit of a trend. His long catch and run was an absolutely incredible play, and it alone gave us three points. Even with Julio, he may very well be our best playmaker on the outside now.
  • Offensively, I really don't get why we aren't throwing the football down the field more often. We only threw the football beyond 15 yards from the line of scrimmage a grand total of two times all of last night -- both of which came on busted coverages -- and that really had a very big effect on us offensively. Mississippi State compressed the hell out of everything, and that was really the big reason that we struggled to move the ball outside of those big plays. I just don't get it at all, really. It's one thing to not be able to throw the football vertically, but to not even try to throw it vertically? That I don't understand. 
  • One of the biggest positives for the offense was that we had a complete lack of negative plays. We didn't commit a single offensive penalty, did not turn the football over, and did not give up a single sack. Any time you can do that, particularly against a team with a struggling offense, you move a lot closer to victory.
  • Defensively, Anthony Dixon had a fair amount of success, but as a unit we did what we really needed to do. Any time you face a team with very few weapons offensively, all you really need to do is relatively limit what little weapons that they have, and we did that with Dixon. He had a decent amount of success, as expected, but again we did what we needed to do.
  • Something to keep in mind, we spent a lot of time in nickel package defending the Mississippi State version of the spread option. Keep that in mind when we face Florida.
  • Marquis Johnson played a fine game last night and made several big plays. Interestingly enough, though, MSU kept going after him time and time again, something we should all keep our eyes on. It is clear that opposing offensive coordinators generally consider him the weakest link we have at corner, and they try to go at him accordingly. That means that he will have to step up and get the job done in key situations, and that is exactly what he did against MSU. It's really just shows you what kind of a defense we have when a player of this caliber is the nickel back.
  • Kareem Jackson... I don't think MSU threw a single pass in his direction all night long. I think that speaks volumes about his level of play.
  • Justin Woodall had a rough night, and I hate to say it but he has struggled in recent weeks. We're going to need him to play better football against Auburn and Florida.
  • Mark Barron, on the other hand, is becoming an absolute standout at safety. He gets better and better each week, and his amazing athleticism is showcasing itself even more as he gets more and more comfortable with his role. He's already one of the best safeties in the conference, and at this point the sky is the limit for him.
  • Kick coverage... what kick coverage? We effectively gave up the equivalent of two touchdowns on kick coverage breakdowns, yet MSU shot itself in the foot to the point that they didn't get a single point out of either one of them. Again, MSU was its own worst enemy for most of the night. As for us, well, we'll never beat Florida giving up yards like that, and they've got a much better returner than anyone the Bulldogs put on the field last night.
  • P.J. Fitzgerald did a nice job punting last night. He netted over 40 yards per punt, had no touchbacks, and downed two inside the twenty yard line. 
  • Another 10-0 start for the Crimson Tide, it's 17th in school history. If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about our tradition, nothing will. It's incredibly hard to win football games in this conference, and to reel off 15 straight wins in regular season conference play really is an incredible feat.
  • All in all, it was a good night for the Tide. As I mentioned from the outset, all we really need to do until we get to Atlanta is to win and stay healthy, and we did that against Mississippi State. Tennessee-Chattanooga won't seriously challenge us -- the only thing that can get us there is injuries -- and that really leaves only Auburn left. I do think that Coach Saban is right... our best football is still out there, and we're going to have to play up to that level if we are indeed going to knock off Florida in Atlanta. For now, though, it's all a matter of positioning, and we are doing the things we need to do in order to put ourselves in the position we want to be in come the first week of December. 
  • Final thought... Again, it's hard to win football games in this league, very hard. And any time you can start off 10-0 and go on the road in conference play and spank someone 31-3 in a game that their entire program had marked on their calender, that's just a great night. Again, it's very hard to win in this league, and it's even harder to do what we're doing. We basically wandered the wilderness for eleven seasons from 1997-2007, so just be glad that we are back where we want to be. Enjoy the spoils of success while they last.
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    you're dead on regarding kick coverage

    Brandon James will tear us apart if we don’t do something. OTS, what do you see as the problem? Missing assignments, leaving lanes, poor execution, wrong personnel, bad coaching? I’d just like to know what the problem is so we can discuss its solution

    "Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

    by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 15, 2009 2:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

    sadly...

    it seems we’ve regressed back to the horrid state of affairs at the start of the season.

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    by kleph on Nov 15, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    I miss...

    …this guy:

    "High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

    by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 15, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Yeah, the kick coverage was pretty crappy...

    It seems that we’re truly becoming the team we were earlier in the year: Better offense with more vertical passing, and really terrible kick coverage. I prefer it to the middle of the year team, but I’d like it better if we took care of that problem.

    And I agree about the lack of vertical throws. We ought to give more opportunities to McElroy to make big plays. It was especially annoying when we were up 17-0, and we seemed to be trying to run the clock out for one of the drives in the 3rd quarter. I realize we have a very good defense, and MSU was not going to overcome that score, but I was pretty aggravated we weren’t trying to bury them until they made it 17-3.

    by crimsontsunami on Nov 15, 2009 2:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

    no kidding

    Greg’s vertical ball was supposed to be on of his best assets, whatever happened to the depp ball to Maze that was supposedly unstoppable. We’re gonna have to stretch the field in order to beat Fla and keep them from stacking the box for Ingram

    "Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

    by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 15, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    an i promiss i can spel, i jus nead a dikshonarie to lok at

    "Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

    by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 15, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Dont werry aboot et

    "High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

    by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 15, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    aboot?

    damn, I always liked you, but now that I know you’re Canadian, I’m not so sure…..

    "Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

    by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 15, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    "Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

    by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 15, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Offensively it was really a boom-or-bust night. Overall things look very good — 31 points, 440+ yards of total offense, and 7.7 yards per play — but those numbers are inflated by a lot of big plays. We had five really big plays in this game that combined to generate at least 21 points and about 230 yards of total offense. Outside of those five big plays, we really had very little success offensively… around 53 snaps offensively for about 200 yards (fewer than four yards per snap). We were basically either hitting huge plays or getting shut down.

    This is a pretty good sign of a defense that was gambling. State was running some crap that has no place on a SEC football field. I think they pretty much jsut sold out to stop the run with whoever they could use. One of the corners constantly played half the distance between the receiver and the end man on the line of scrimmage. That’s Mickey Mouse.

    Anytime you play a defense that is going to play like this you are going to have negative plays and big plays. A lot of credit should go to our offense in that our negative plays where still going for 2,3, and 4 yards.

    by deaux68 on Nov 15, 2009 2:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

    Blitzes

    Good call on that, State was blitzing on seemingly almost every play. Obviously when you do that it can leave you vulnerable. It also seemed we shutdown the offense early as we did not do much in the second half.

    by Kenny483 on Nov 15, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    A perfect football weekend.....

    …..Bama wins with a solid performance on both offense and defense, and….
          Auburn loses,
                Tennesse loses big (got the crap kicked out of them)
                        Notre Dame loses…….
    It doesn’t get any better than that!
    Roll Tide!!!!!!!!

    by AtlBamaGuy on Nov 15, 2009 3:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

    dont forget usc and miami lost too

    plus ND’s loss covered a bet i made against them at the start of the year. (reg season win total 8.5)

    welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

    by tempebamafan on Nov 15, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    damn, this meltdown thread is gonna be the best ever

    esp. TN’s section

    "Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

    by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 15, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    yep...

    I’m excited to see the Notre Dame and Auburn posts too…Reading the Meltdown Tuesday Post makes me happier than a new pair of shoes.

    by Queen of the Universe on Nov 15, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    The most impressive thing to me

    is that we came out really flat (looked slow to react, slow off the snap, quiet on the sidelines, etc.), survived their charge and still managed to win by 28 points. This had all the makings of a letdown performance considering we just beat LSU, clinched the West, and had to go on the road for a night game at MSU. They were coming off a Bye, had this one circled as OTS mentioned, and had a raucous, record crowd.

    To be a little flat (as any team would probably naturally be in these circumstances) and still win by 28 while gaining over 400 and holding the opponent under 225 is spectacular. Hopefully we can put UTC away early and get ready for Auburn. Last night was just one more step in the road and we managed it safely.

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    by Bamagrad on Nov 15, 2009 3:21 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

    +1

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    by outsidethesidelines on Nov 15, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Good pick up.

    The start of the game looked like a train wreck waiting to happen. However even though we did not have our A game to start we soon got into the game and then it was no contest.

    Just think back to 2007. We were not ready for MSU in 2007 after LSU and we lost a game we should have won easily. But this time we managed to not do the stupid things.

    I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

    by 5026 on Nov 15, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    The early part of the game wasn’t just us being flat, MSU was hyped through the roof and really had the adrenaline flowing. Once the emotion wore off, we dominated.

    by zeke2029 on Nov 15, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Justin Woodall...

    …had a very bad game. He did not show any effort in trying to tackle Anthony Dixon. I saw at least two times where he just tried to lean a should into Dixon to tackle him, and Dixon ran right through that. Also, Marquis Johnson saved him a few times. Woodall was supped to be the deep help on a few of those passes and took horrible angles, but was fortunately saved by some great plays by Johnson.

    by Kenny483 on Nov 15, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

    we had quite a few missed tackles,

    particularly early in the game…..seemed like half our guys were going for bs arm tackles

    "Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

    by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 15, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    If JW can't learn to play the option...

    …he better just focus on hitting #15 whether he has the ball or not!

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    by animalcracker on Nov 15, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Kareem Jackson

    I agree with the content of the article on our thumping of the guys in the black shirts. I do however disagree with the overall assessment of Kareem Jackson. You are right he was not thrown at for this game. He has been beat time and time again this year on inside slant routes and on some long routes. This has been the common theme of his career and I am not one to criticize our players on message boards. I am just not impressed with his coverage ability although he seems to be an above average tackler. I am hearing he may go pro but he would be wise as Cody did to stay for his senior year. I have not seen a mock draft for the later rounds but I can’t see him being picked until the last round or as a free agent. Just one persons thoughts what are others?

    by gatider on Nov 15, 2009 4:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

    On Kareem

    He’s a 3 year starter for perhaps the best secondary coach in the nation. If you aren’t impressed with his coverage ability then you aren’t paying attention. The only balls I can remember being caught on him this year are fade stops and a back shoulder slant last week.

    There is no basis in saying he has been beat time and time again on slant routes this year. I remember him overplaying the slant against UT this year (thus the back shoulder slant against LSU) and batting that pass away on the long drive.

    Are there balls completed on him? Yes, there sure are. Maybe even a few deep balls. We need to realize that these guys are locked up in man coverage more times than not. They aren’t going to get a lot of interceptions and they are going to get beat from time to time.

    As for his draft status, Mel Kiper has him in his top 5 draft eligible corners.

    by deaux68 on Nov 15, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    I'm sick and tired...

    of seeing Tiffin whiff on tackles during kickoff returns. One one of the long returns (not the one where the returner stepped out of bounds), I saw Tiffin running down the field and then literally step away from the returner while extending his arms, pushing him slightly. It’s pathetic. I don’t want him to get hurt, but damn, son. Do your part.

    by Espyonage on Nov 15, 2009 5:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

    I think a bigger problem...

    is that the other guys on special teams are whiffing on tackles.

    by crimsontsunami on Nov 15, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    +1

    Tiffin’s attempts at tackling are embarrassing. They’d be funny if they didn’t always result in 50+ yard returns.

    by Bama philosophe on Nov 15, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    It's more than 50+

    His whiffs usually occur about the 50 yard line – the tackle at the 20 last night that saved the TD was the first time this year to my memory that Tiffin whiffed and the run didn’t break open for a touchdown. It’s pathetic.

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    by SugarBowl93 on Nov 15, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    why the hell are the returners making it to tiffin in the 1st place?

    i guess since we cant call him consistantly inconsistant we gotta find SOMETHING to dog him about.

    would you really trade him for another? are we at 10-0 without him?

    "You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
    Coach Nick Saban

    by LittleSis on Nov 15, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Seriously?

    Thank God for Leigh Tiffin and his foot, but are you seriously making excuses for him on the returns? Other people are of course messing up and not doing their jobs correctly, getting out of position, leaving their lanes, etc., but there is absolutely no excuse for getting out of the way of an opposing returner when you have an opportunity to make a play.

    In Saban’s post-game presser, he talked about how he challenges his players:

    Do you have enough honor in yourself to be responsible for what you’re supposed to do and do it the best you can? Do you have enough courage to do it in any circumstance? And do you have the perseverance to do it all the time? If you’re gonna be a champion in anything that you do… you need to do those three things.

    Do you think Tiffin does that when he moves out of the way instead of even attempting to tackle a returner? I sure as hell don’t.

    by Espyonage on Nov 15, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    i am not making excuses

    nor am i trying to get into a pissing contest – i just have extreme heartburn over our seemingly incessant need to point out individual players shortcomings (and yes, grammar police, i know i need apostrophes but that particular key on my laptop is inop). i simply choose to acknowledge (and applaud) leighs positive contributions and let Coach decide if and when to deal with the negatives.
     
    i am sure the non-tackling situation shows up on film and that CNS is perfectly aware. nothing has changed, so it would appear that it is not as huge an issue with the staff as it is with us.

    "You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
    Coach Nick Saban

    by LittleSis on Nov 15, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    I'm not big on constantly pointing out shortcomings...

    but a player standing there watching when they could make a play is a different matter entirely. I’ve defended Tiffin several times this year when others questioned his “consistent inconsistency” with his kicking. He has more than proven himself in that aspect of his game. But even half an effort on many of those plays at least slows the returner down so that someone else can make a play – the video clearly shows that. I don’t know if it’s that he hasn’t been given the proper instruction on how to tackle (highly doubtful), or if he just doesn’t want to get physical on those plays, but something needs to change.

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    by SugarBowl93 on Nov 15, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    if he doesn't kick it either into the end zone or away from quality recievers

    his job most assuredly is to keep the other team from scoring on the play.

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    by kleph on Nov 16, 2009 7:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    I will miss Tiffen because he has really become a robot out there on fieldgoals...

    …but you are correct his tackling is frustratingly horrific…at least when we get Cade Foster on the team we know that his tackling will be spectacular….that usually comes when you are a kicker and a middle linebacker….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9DQoC5UxhM

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    by The Voice of Reason on Nov 16, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    and it's not that he has to even make the tackle itself...

    as long as he can impede the runner’s progress sufficiently for someone else to tackle him, that’s enough.

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    by kleph on Nov 16, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    exactly

    cade foster and lane bearden are two different animals altogether. count me as anohter Bama fan eagerly awaiting the arrival of a kicker/MLB

    welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

    by tempebamafan on Nov 16, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    you dont want him getting hurt while trying to make a tackle though

    he’s up there witha QB after an interception, sure please try to make the tackle or slow the guy down so others can complete the tackle. but we dont want him trying to take a bull by the horns and breaking a collar bone.

    welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

    by tempebamafan on Nov 16, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Does anyone else remember...

    Lane Beardon, gimp legged, lowering his shoulder and knocking down a punt returner? Don’t remember the game, but it was at BDS. I remember thinking he must have a huge pair.

    by RocksinBama on Nov 15, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    That's how a punter...

    …gets his handprint beneath Denny Chimes.

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    by animalcracker on Nov 15, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    shit remember him running a fake punt for a first down @ oklahoma on that gimp leg?

    he straight up smashed a dude at the line of scrimaage to win the battle for the first down. what a bad ass.

    welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

    by tempebamafan on Nov 16, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    I wish

    Tiffin would run off the field after kicking off. If he gets hurt in kick off coverage we are in major trouble…major trouble.

    That being said we should have more than enough guys to stop their return game without Tiffin.

    By the way…next years kicker, Foster, will probably lead the team in kick-off tackles.

    I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

    by 5026 on Nov 15, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Tiffin had two concussions last year making the tackles on kick returns. I don’t know who our 2nd option is if it happens again this year.

    by zeke2029 on Nov 15, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Exactly.

    I’ve watched our #2 guy warm up. I don’t even know his name. I don’t want to know his name. I’m sure he is a nice guy but we are in trouble if he comes in.

    We have actually been fortunate that someone has not taken a cheap shot at Tiffin on kick-offs. Oh wait, I hope an Auburn coach doesn’t read this.

    I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

    by 5026 on Nov 15, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Ugh.

    It’s a simple choice. Make a tackle and save the play, thereby putting yourself in a situation with a small percentage chance of injury, or possibly allow a touchdown. If we lose a game because we allow a kickoff return for a TD because Tiffin jumps out of the way, you’ll all change your tune.

    by Espyonage on Nov 16, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    To your point...

    …do you think that the MSU game was ever in question? even with the slow start?
    The Special Teams deserve the black-eye if they leave their tackling to the kicker in those types of games.
    Because sometimes the game isn’t at risk and it isn’t worth losing your kicker, when your kicker accounts for more points than the rest of your offense in other games.
    The exception could be the SECCG or the NCG, but even then, it depends on your offense’s production.

    by crimson37 on Nov 16, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Last time i saw

    Tiffin lower his shoulder in an attempt to tackle a return man was against UF last year…As i remember, he got his bell rung on that play and wasn’t able to go for the FG attempt. Thus forcing us to try an obvious fake FG…big turning point in that game…

    Tiffin isn’t the problem on KO’s. Perhaps he should try harder but if you’re counting on your kicker to make tackles…then damn we we really are in trouble. If he’s to be blamed for anything, its the fact that he has the ability to kick it into the endzone but rarely does.

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    by bammer on Nov 16, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

    I was...

    …thinking about the UF game as well while reading this thread. And here’s one thing that I have absolutely no inside information about, yet I think it is plausible: our coaching staff may be telling Tiffin to get out of the way so he doesn’t get hurt and put us in a situation like the one we were in vs. UF last season…or worse. If I were CNS, that’s exactly what I would do. I’d also be chewing Bobby Williams’ a$$ every time the other ten men on the field let the return get anywhere near midfield. But I definitely would do whatever I could to protect our leading scorer, especially when there’s no one behind him you can trust to perform. Again, I don’t know this is happening…I just think it’s feasible.

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    by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 16, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    OTS

    you are dead right. We had 4 big plays that were largely busted assignements on MSU’s part. All four lead to either a TD or (Maze run) a FG. Take these away and our offense would have probably put up around 13 points and not 31.

    The problem is I just can’t see the Gators missing assignments and leaving Julio or Hanks wide open, just not tackling Maze, or in the case of Ingram having no safety in the picture.

    The point is we were basically afraid or unbable to take what MSU was giving us…the 15 yard pass. UF is going to probably give us the same thing as they will crowd the line to stop Ingram. If we can’t consistantly strech the field vertically we are going to have to win with a tough D, Tiffin FGs, and some turnover/penalty/ref luck.

    We really do need to play better. We can not line up and run smash mouth against UF. We are going to need a down the field passing game to open up the Ingram 10 yard runs. If all our passes are little underneath routes their DB’s don’t have to back up at all.

    The best thing for me last night was how we did get in the end zone in the 2nd QT when we got inside the 20. Richardson had some very powerful inside runs down there and Ingram’s short TD run was very good.

    I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

    by 5026 on Nov 15, 2009 8:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

    No doubt...
    The problem is I just can’t see the Gators missing assignments and leaving Julio or Hanks wide open, just not tackling Maze, or in the case of Ingram having no safety in the picture.

    …. clearly, things of that nature are the benefit of playing a bad opponent. The new regime in Starkville has done a good job this year, but they are still the 11th best team in the SEC, and it showed a fair amount last night. Again, they beat themselves in a lot of ways, and it directly benefited us.

    And you are right, Florida (or Texas) won’t make those same kinds of mistakes against us. They won’t miss the assignments, they won’t get zero points after taking a kick back 80 yards, they won’t throw dumb picks to end promising drives, etc. We’re clearly going to have to play better to beat a team like Florida, no doubt about that. If we play like we did against Mississippi State against Florida in Atlanta, we’re headed back to New Orleans to play another mid-major…

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    by outsidethesidelines on Nov 15, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    The USC Trojans have had a many games like this

    Ever since I moved out here and went there for my MA, I’ve watched their games and even in their most dominant seasons they’ve had several games like this each year. Statistically and score-wise, the games are blowouts. But if you really analyze it, they played their opponent evenly with the exception of three or four long plays that went for touchdowns (many of these came after turnovers).

    That’s how they’d give up well over 300 yards and win by three or four scores. It’s just like a couple big homeruns in a close baseball game. YOu could limit a team to six hits, but if they get two three run homers with two outs the game will be a blowout.

    Heck, look at the Utah game. Offensively, they burned us big time on several third and long plays. I think they had about 340 total yards. About ninety of those came on third and long plays. If we bat the ball down for an incomplete pass on three or four of those, Utah does nothing offensively and we probably win that game, 17-10. These are the little things that make a big difference in a game. Utah converted at least three big third down plays and that really was the difference.

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    by Bamagrad on Nov 15, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    But...

    a baseball team that lives by the long ball will die by the long ball- see this years Phillies. And a baseball team that lives by solid pitching, solid defense, sound base running, and consistant hitting will win- see this years Yankees.

    All I’m saying is if we are counting on UF leaving Julio wide open or Ingram going up the middle untouched for 70 yards we are going to lose. We can’ t count on those things. I think we can count on the same things SC used to move the ball against UF, 10-20 yard passes. SC gained almost 200 yards passing against UF but did not have a throw over 24 yards—but they had very few 3 yard pass plays. On the ground SC had less than 100 and no long runs.

    Now Ingram may be a few 10-15 yard runs but I would be surprised to see him go 30-50 yards on UF. Likewise our 3 big receivers- Julio, Mays, and Hanks could get a lot of 10-15 yard passes, but we would be lucky to hit 1 30+ pass play and we had 3 of those 30+ against MSU which was a big chunk of our pass yards.

    So, UF’s offense is not the beat down machine it was last year, but we are going to have to step up our offense if we are going to score more than the 14 pts. SC put on them. Anyway, we have a better chance than last year, but we will still need to be better than are right now.

    I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

    by 5026 on Nov 15, 2009 10:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

    Baseball analogy does not fit

    We are not a home run hitting team. Miss. St. was risking the big play to try to shut down our workmanlike offense, and it costs them. I am puzzled by the assessment that we didn’t play well on offense because the majority of the production was on a handful of plays. Our offense played exactly how they were supposed to play. Florida will not play us the way Miss. St. did. Florida will force us to hit the 10 to 20 yard pass. I think this will enable Ingram to hit more of the 8 to 12 yard runs, and if GMac can hit those medium range passes we should beat them.

    by M. Johnson Defender on Nov 15, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Agree.

    If we hit the 10-20 pass the run opens up. But, if we throw the little dink pass all the time we are lost.

    And you are right. The way MSU was playing the big play was there to be had. I don’t know what their safeties were doing but maybe they had the night off.

    Oh yeah, when I saw MSU come out in black I felt our chances were real good. By doing these little things to get your guys pumped up I think you actually put more pressure on themselves. MSU was pumped up, the problem is they needed to be loose to beat Bama.
    They were not going to get jacked up and run faster than us or hit harder than us… we are quicker and stronger. BUT…they could be loose and just go out and have fun and who knows maybe throw it around or Dixon get’s lose and they hit the big plays and maybe Bama would be flat or choke as we did with JPW in 07. But getting all pumped up does not work if your opponet is bigger, faster, and stronger than you.

    I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

    by 5026 on Nov 16, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    i think you are alluding to OTS' observation

    that we have to stretch the field to win at the next level. we know we have an elite run game and so does everyone we will face. if all they need to do is key on it, we’ll not have the opportunities to score given us by an opponent such as miss state.

    but if we can stretch the field, the short yardage passes suddenly become very open and the holes for no. 22 and no. 3 to run through suddenly get that much wider.

    this is also probably what coach saban means when he says our best football is “still out there.” without that deep threat we’ve had an offense playing with one hand behind its back. if we get that back suddenly teams have to contend with a dominating defense and a damned good offense.

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    by kleph on Nov 16, 2009 8:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    Offense

    I think it is also worth noting that we shutdown the offense relatively early in the second half. We were looking just to burn out the clock, especially on Ingram’s last touchdown run.

    The fact remains that you need big plays to score points most of the time. It is not particularly easy to go 80 on 12+ plays too often. The lack of big plays was literally the complaint we were having a few weeks ago. Outside of the kickoff coverage, there is really nothing to complain about with this game.

    Alabama went on the road and won by 28 points. Alabama may need a better effort to beat Florida, but by the same token Florida is going to need a better effort that what they provided against South Carolina to beat Alabama.

    by Kenny483 on Nov 16, 2009 6:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    yes

    that first down was a thing of beauty. we were starting to scream that he made it with his forward progress (because he wound up gettign knocked back across the yellow line) but then his final effort led to him leaning and reaching the ball right across the first down stick, right at the refs feet. he left no room for erro ont he part of the blind ass refs. beautiful. ignram is a hell of a running back, but traent may turn out to be even better. so far he looks that way to me at least.

    welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

    by tempebamafan on Nov 16, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    I really can't get over

    how much Marquis Johnson has improved since last year. Ya gotta give the kid props. Other than the first play of the game, he was on his assignment like velcro.

    by CousinEddie on Nov 16, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

    Yeah...

    Maybe im just freakin crazy but Saturdays performance might be one of our best in years. Yeah yeah yeah…we didn’t have those grind em out TD possessions…but the fact that we came, out weathered the storm, took advantage of their mistakes and womped a fellow SEC’r by 28 is always nice.

    Ill say that again…We took advantage of their mistakes….thats what good teams do. They were obviously playing the run in the 1st three quarters and were playing the short passes…hence the miscues on WR screens. We were just taking what they gave us. And again, thats what good teams do…

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    by bammer on Nov 16, 2009 9:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

    hmm

    why have the last two post by CousinEddie and me been italicized?

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    by bammer on Nov 16, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    how about trying it now.

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    by kleph on Nov 16, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    I think it's because

    there’s an extra italics start tag, but no closing tag, in The Voice of Reason’s post.

    by rco3 on Nov 16, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

    i thought i sorted this…

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    by kleph on Nov 17, 2009 8:37 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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