Kiffin Dismisses Richardson and Edwards

And just to pre-empt the “ZOMG THIS IS A ’BAMA BLOG, QUIT WRITING ABOUT TENNESSEE” comments: if you’ve got something better to write about on our near-bye week, I’m sure Todd (et al.) would be thrilled to front-page a well thought-out and well-written fanshot about something directly related to the team.

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by PeteHoliday on Nov 16, 2009 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

ZOMG THIS IS A BAMA BLOG, QUIT WRITING ABOUT TENNESSEE

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'd like to know more about the scholarship limit and the ncaa rules committe appeals process plz

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by kleph on Nov 16, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

how did it affect our scholarships when

we dismissed Jimmi Johns and Jeremy Elder?

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

quiet you

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Nov 16, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

2 Names?

What is the deal with Janzen Jackson?

by TideInTex on Nov 16, 2009 1:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wrong place wrong time.

Some things I’ve read seem to say that Jackson just happened to be in the store but had no idea what was about to go down.

by REG233710 on Nov 16, 2009 1:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

that's bullshit and everyone knows it

he just happened to be at the gas station at 2 am? what a coincidence. Also, he didn’t go up to the car and say, “what the fuck are you guys doing here?” he said, “we gotta go” and jumped into the prius with them…..he’s just as guilty as the other 2 thugs

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have to disagree

I can see they were hanging out, and he rode along, then it went bad. I didn’t think Jackson would be involved anyways

"What can clean puke off a door and carpet"- Shank

by morri029 on Nov 16, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

also, take into account his suspension the previous week

for a failed drug test. the little things begin to add up

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe not. After all, he goes in to grab a drink and Richardson looks at Edwards and says “Hey, man, let’s go rob the guys in that car over there!” and they do.

Of course, who rides around with a pellet gun in the car? That’s asking to get shot by someone.

Then again, the witness isn’t going to help make the case against Jackson so if Richardson and Edwards are willing to fall on the grenade, he’s unlikely to get hit with anything here, giving Kiffin a perfect opportunity to chalk this up to “time served” and get him back for the bowl game.

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by PeteHoliday on Nov 16, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

found this post by a TN fan at GVX

“It really doesn’t matter whether or not Jackson failed a drug test. He was still in the doghouse for a week and suspended for a game. That punishment obviously didn’t mean anything to him, since he was out with a crack ho at 1:30AM on a Wed night. Obviously, he’s not too concerned with classes or game prep. Kiffen needs to get rid of him now and send the message that there’s no double standard at work when it comes to enforcing team rules and standards.”

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure, sure...

But, frankly, I want Kiffin to keep players around that are going to be discipline problems and bad influences. If Jackson is that cocky/stupid, he’ll hurt the team more than his athletic talents can help it.

I’m just talking about Jackson’s involvement with the criminal charges, which is looking more and more like it’s going to be “none at all” by the time it’s said and done.

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by PeteHoliday on Nov 16, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i think you're right

the female in no way will testify against him, and edwards and richardson will likely fall on the grenade so as not to look like “snitches”

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't worry

Someone making this many bad decisions will surely screw up again.

by 12NationalChampionships on Nov 16, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

my bare minimum:

make him a Legarrette Blount example and run him till he pukes for weeks, then use him as a glorified cheerleader on the sidelines the rest of the season, but in no way do I think he should be allowed to return to playing time this year. Just MO, that’s why I’m not paid millions to be a coach

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

keep in mind that he'd already gotten in trouble for drugs, and he had

to have known there were drugs in the car.

by jsholt969 on Nov 16, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Be serious. He didn’t have to know anything like that. You don’t perform a body cavity search of everyone in a car before you get in.

They weren’t sitting on the dash, they were in the girl’s pocket.

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by PeteHoliday on Nov 16, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

c'mon pete,

take off the attorney hat for a minute and think like a college student at 2am. He knew the weed was in there, they werent riding around that late for no reason, and she sure as hell wasn’t holding out on them

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

my guess is he

was in the station buying the blunt wrap to roll the shit up in….sure wasn’t buying cigarettes, and any water/gatorade/etc could have been purchased in their athletic dorms

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

from a legal standpoint,

you’re right. “I didn’t know there were drugs/weapons/ill intent in that car” deny everything, admit to nothing, and always counter-accuse, but common sense tells a different story, you gotta at least see that

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Common sense tells me there are a million possible, equally-plausible explanations which don’t include Jackson knowing a damn thing.

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by PeteHoliday on Nov 16, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

fankly,

I don’t give a damn if he knew or not. The point is, he place himself in a horrible situation less than a week after a suspension for a failed drug test. That shows a flagrant disrespect for team rules and authority (ok, so he has a great role model in that aspect in Kiffen) and no respectable coach who truly controls his program can allow talent to get in the way of punishment for repeated offenses of this magnitude.
On a side note, next time I get a bootlegging charge in Maplesville for possession of high gravity beer, you sir, are receiving a call from me.

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

fankly...tee hee....

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 16, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pete, do you really think she was hiding the grinder and weed from him?

Do you really think that she didn’t light up in front of him? After already getting in trouble for drugs, I imagine he knows what weed is. I don’t think he would have had to do a cavity search to know she had drugs.

by jsholt969 on Nov 16, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My bad...

I didn’t realize they made watching someone get high a crime.

But, seriously, unless you’re the the biggest goody-two-shoes to ever walk the earth, you’ve probably been in the car with someone who was carrying drugs or paraphernalia whether you knew it or not. Did he know that she smoked? Maybe. We don’t even know if he even knew that girl before Friday night. Even if we assume he did know that, do we know he knew what she had in her pockets? No. Even if we assume he did, there’s no way to get from there to “he knew they were gonna try to rob someone.”

If you never had a situation in college (or, hell, high school) where your night ended up having a different set of events and participants than you were originally planning, I feel bad for you, because it happens all the time and can lead to some great fun.

You can come up with a million explanations where Jackson knows nothing about any of this, but some folks want to focus on “Oh, man, he MUST HAVE known” because they can’t take the crimson-colored glasses off for 30 seconds.

I hate UT as much as the next ‘Bama fan, but "He was within 100’ of two guys who tried to rob a car with pellet gun, there fore he’s guilty of SOMETHING, DAMMIT" is a little weak for my tastes.

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by PeteHoliday on Nov 16, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

question for lawya pete...

lets say kiffin cut janzen loose and it turned out he was totally and completely innocent here. would he then have some kind of legal case against UT for getting rid of him on spurious pretenses?

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by kleph on Nov 16, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dunno . . . as far as I know, a school can dismiss a player from the football team for damn near anything. Getting arrested for attempted robbery (even if not charged) is likely enough given the embarrassment the university faced.

That said, you can sue for anything, so…

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by PeteHoliday on Nov 16, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i was just wondering how much that might go into the decision making process

when the athletic department considers these situations. it would seem to me that the scholarship represents some kind of contract between the student and the university. we always think of it in terms of the university but it might be interesting to find out what legal grounds it provides the athlete – if any at all.

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by kleph on Nov 16, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whatever it provides would need to actually be in the contract, as I’m sure they provide a HUGE breadth for dismissal for just about anything.

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by PeteHoliday on Nov 16, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

which is what i assume as well. but it might be interesting to look at what details are available one day.

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by kleph on Nov 16, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the only thing they are entitled to is their scholarship, and that is on a yearly basis. They can be kicked off the team without having their football scholarship taken away.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Nov 16, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Guilty

I don’t know if he’s “guilty” of a crime, but there’s got to be something said for a player having just served a suspension, being out at 2AM 2 days before a game with classes assumedly the next day, and being in a car with hoods, a pistol, and drugs. And finally, with characters who aren’t above robbing someone. If you have a scholarship and are a member of football program, there can be consequences for judgement that poor, regardless of being guilty of a crime or not.

by Bobby Briggs on Nov 16, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't call myself the biggest goody-two-shoes

to ever walk the earth, but I don’t hang out with that kind of crowd. Sure there might have been one or two people I’ve been with who had drugs, but the people I hang out with, I know based on their character that they’re not those type of people. That kind of thing doesn’t interest me, never has, and hopefully never will, and I don’t want to hang out with those types of people either.

Anyway… As Bobby said below, sure he might not have known, but honestly, what are the chances? He’d just gotten in trouble for drugs. He knows the character of at least the guys he’s with (maybe even the girl), and he’s out at 2 in the morning when he should be on campus. If nothing else, that is an extremely dumb decision to make. For doing that, that alone deserves more suspension. If he’s trying to learn his lesson like he said he was going to after his most recent suspension, I’m not sure why he was at that gas station.

by jsholt969 on Nov 16, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As Bobby said ~~below~~… above

by jsholt969 on Nov 16, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

c'mon holt,

you’ve never gotten completely baked with some buddies, jumped into a hybrid and gone joy-riding at 2am just to wind up robbing some rednecks with a pellet gun? then you sir, simply have not lived

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I suppose not. :)

by jsholt969 on Nov 16, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You got that right!

You make a good point. Discipline from this incident with Janzen should not come from the legal system, but from Kiffin. He will have to live with the consequences of whether the punishment fits the crime. Since the guy was already in the doghouse, he really doesn’t seem to care what Kiffin is telling him. A standard conversation would be, “Keep yourself in the dorm and quit smokin those doobies.” He then gets caught out at 2:00am with a pot smoking crew jackin fools. Sounds like Kiffin’s speach put him in place, huh?

by danbama on Nov 16, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

god damn pete, if i ever catch a criminal charge, i hope it's in a state your bar certified to represent me in

cause you know how to represent your argument like no other.

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Nov 16, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The dirty little “secret” of our criminal justice system (and life in general) is that lots of it is luck.

You look at jsholt969 up there saying “Sure there might have been one or two people I’ve been with who had drugs” — so if that car stops somewhere for gas and while he’s inside grabbing a cola, one of those unsavory characters gets out and does something stupid all of a sudden he’s arrested to, even though he didn’t know anything about anything. But that didn’t happen . . . because jsholt969 is a good person? No, because he got lucky.

So, in a sense, there’s some luck involved here. It’s very possible that Jackson just got unlucky. Sure, there’s also the chance that he knew what was going down and was inside distracting the cashier to provide cover and when the cashier saw what was going on he came out to tell them to get out. But we don’t know one way or another.

The hypo that keeps circling my head is like this:

Jackson stops by Richardson’s dorm room to ask him about some team-related meeting or something. While they’re making small talk, Edwards and the chick (that Jackson has never met) show up and ask if Richardson is ready to go.

Richardson: Hey, man, we’re gonna run to the Pilot to grab a coke, want to go?
Jackson: It’s late, I probably should stick around.
Richardson: Well, we’re just going there and coming straight back, but alright.
Jackson: Well, if that’s all, sure, I’m thirsty.

There are a ton of scenarios like that in which the only mistake Jackson made was leaving the dorm at 2:00am with some folks he didn’t know very well.

What really irks me is you people making me defend a damn Tennessee player.

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by PeteHoliday on Nov 16, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

as tough a cross as that is to bear...

i’ve always appreciated when we have had these issues and our foes took a time out from mocking us and gave an objective assessment of the situation.

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by kleph on Nov 16, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure, it’s possible that he didn’t know what was going down, but the anecdotal evidence and common sense seem to indicate to me that he did. First off, he was just suspended for drug use. So his character is suspect. Secondly, you have the time of night that they were out. More importantly, you have the fact that he was with them. Now they don’t seem like they’ll be giving Lex Luthor a run for his money any time soon, but generally if you’re going to commit a robbery I don’t think you would want to one of your party inside a store with no idea that it’s going down. Generally you want to leave the scene of the crime asap, not wait while your buddy is looking for a bag of chips. And finally, you have his reaction. Reportedly, his first reaction was to say “We gotta go”, and then to jump in the car. That doesn’t seem like the actions of a young man who is surprised that his friends are commiting armed robbery.

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-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Nov 16, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

by jsholt969 on Nov 16, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Generally if you want to commit a robbery

You wear more than a hoody, get a real gun, and actually take something.

And you don’t have a Prius.

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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 16, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And generally

When you get a gun shoved in your face, you don’t tell the media the assailant should play football for your team that weekend. We don’t know what to believe regarding you crazy bastards

"Well Eli, Smokey just came out of the tunnel, and he's about 100 yards away from me now, and if I had my deer rifle I believe I could drop him, back to you Eli" -- Jerry Duncan's comments to Eli Gold just prior to kickoff against Tennessee

by Thomas Walker Esq on Nov 16, 2009 7:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

I was only pointing out that you can hardly look at this like a super-crazy “z0mg!!!!” robbery. It’s more of a stupid, stupid, stupid (emphasis: stupid) prank. Tennessee players have, in the past, shown a much better knowledge of how to effectively commit crimes.

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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 16, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t buy that Bobo. First off, unless you’re going to use it, a real gun doesn’t do anything but potentially get you into more trouble. They couldn’t have known that the victims wouldn’t have any cash on them, and ski-masks would just make what you were doing obvious.

Sure, it was a stupid crime, but bringing an unsuspecting friend along for the ride and let him meander into the store while they pulled off a robbery is beyond stupid. It’s just unbelievable IMO, especially given the other circumstances.

I would almost guarantee you that Jackson knew something was going down.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Nov 16, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I completely understand

the “Jackson was involved” mindset, and there’s nothing solid to pose as a counter-point, which is why we have the legal system. I’m sure the testimonies will sort out — for the most part — if Jackson had some involvement, and it certainly depends on what all evidence there is.

Remember, though, that Janzen was released from prison on his own volition, he didn’t have to post a bond, which means that the cops either love him or they don’t have anything to pin on him, which means that he probably wasn’t in the store trying to distract the attendant, or the testimonies (for what they are worth) claim that isn’t the case.

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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 16, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

gosh... I hope this doesn't sound horribly racist... but its NOT

pete… you are thinking like a preppy white kid in this scenario… black kids just don’t think like that.

so easy... even an Auburn fan can do it!

by K. brevis on Nov 17, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

though...

the prius does has preppy white kid written all over it hahaah

so easy... even an Auburn fan can do it!

by K. brevis on Nov 17, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

damn it

I wish we could edit our comments… I misspelled a word

so easy... even an Auburn fan can do it!

by K. brevis on Nov 17, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually I'm kinda

surprised Kiffin took action at all. But, inspite of his boasting, the way they are running UThug is even worse than Fulmer and it was out of control then. In the long run this team will implode. It may be a year or two but it will happen.

Can’t believe Bryce Brown hasn’t caused any problems yet. He will.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Nov 16, 2009 3:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Because sometimes

Facts and evidence just goes right out the window to bring baseless statements to bear. Well done, 5026, for giving the stupid statements a place to be heard!

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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 16, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We will see what

happens in the next few years.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Nov 16, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Playing football at Tennessee

eliminates the “innocent until proven guilty” rights. Fry the bastards!

by J Tadpole on Nov 16, 2009 3:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

My Mother,

a smart lady, and no doubt your Mother, too, said “Nothing good ever happens after midnight.” Every lawyer in that courtroom and certainly the judge, will know they were all 3 up to no good. It’s just a question of whether he/she wants to cut him a break.

If they were going out for a coke break, it most likely wasn’t the liquid kind.

Most any judge is going to make him do probabtion for a year, at least, and the threat of peeing substance free into a cup every month or going to jail might be the best thing that ever happened to this would-be perp.

marycontrary

by adeleswims on Nov 16, 2009 5:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Your mother was somewhat mistaken

Many, many good things happen after midnight. Many of them are legal. Even the ones that aren’t legal aren’t all bad, either. Being out after midnight is not automatically indicative of criminal activity OR intent. Some of the best times of my life occurred between midnight and dawn. I was even sober for a few of them.

Now, if your mother had told you that nothing good happens when you ride around in a car with a weapon and two people willing to use it in a robbery, she’d have been dead on.

by rco3 on Nov 16, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what would your mom say about the prius?

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by kleph on Nov 16, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

MY mom?

She would wonder why anyone cared. After I explained what a Prius is, I mean.

by rco3 on Nov 17, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So far

There’s nothing in the reports that suggest that any of them were doped up on anything, just that they had some in the car — inside, as Pete noted, somewhat hidden areas. A judge won’t do anything to a kid just for being out late, they’ll do something if they have facts that Janzen Jackson, specifically, was up to no good being with those two.

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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 16, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Did anyone watch

the video interview of the 2 guys that got held up. Classic Red Necks

by Fatback on Nov 16, 2009 5:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

He should be cut as well

For the most part guilt by association.Vols would close the chapter on this incident.

by Crimsoncaller on Nov 16, 2009 9:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

honestly, i could give a tinker's damn at this point...

i’m just glad these idiots decided to go on their crime spree after the alabama game so we wouldn’t have to listen to all the vol fans bitch and moan about how they were at a disadvantage due to missing players. their complaints about the officials to explain away the fact they got beat have been insufferable enough.

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by kleph on Nov 16, 2009 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs