Random Thoughts From Around The SEC
Usually at this time I run the Initial Impressions piece, but quite frankly the Tennessee-Chattanooga game was all of the uneventful blowout that the UA administration hoped it would be, and I really don't think enough is there to have a good piece on the subject. So, in its place, before Iron Bowl week kicks off with full force, I offer a few random thoughts from around the SEC:
- The Les Miles time management fiasco was the worst coaching meltdown I have ever seen in my life. Even worse than Hallman against Auburn in 1994. And it's not just one bad decision, either. One mistake happens, but this is like eight mistakes all rolled into one. It was dumb to (1) throw the football on first down following the LaFell screen, (2) throw the football on second down that led to the sack, (3) throw a bad screen on third down, (4) not calling timeout with 26 seconds left, (5) not having the field goal team ready, (6) not having another play called beforehand, (7) having absolutely no contingency plan in place if you caught the ball short of the end zone, and (8) trying to spike the ball with one second left. Again, one bad decision happens, but eight bad decisions in the final minute of a game? I'm not kidding... that was the worst coaching meltdown I have ever seen in my life. And then throwing gasoline on the fire, apparently Miles lied about the whole thing afterward. At one point in the postgame he said that he didn't know who called the spike at the end, but apparently at the end video shows him calling the spike. If I hadn't seen this whole fiasco with my own eyes, I would have never believed it.
- Readers of the meltdown piece will love the LSU meltdown this week, as it is arguably the greatest meltdown I've ever seen. Truthfully, though, every bit of that meltdown is completely and totally justified. It's not so much a stupid meltdown as it is an appropriate response. I tell you, had an Alabama coach pulled that stunt, I would have literally gone through the roof.
- Now, as dumb as that decision was, that's not really what LSU fans should be concerned with moving forward. The real problem moving forward is that team continues to dramatically underachieve relative to its talent level, something that it has been doing for more than two years now. Since the 2007 Florida game, this team is now 10-10 in conference play and there is far too much talent on this team for them to be only a .500 team. And that was exactly what we saw against Ole Miss... outgained by 200+ yards, needing last-minute touchdown drives, two-point conversions, and onside kicks just to try to force overtime against a team with a fraction of the top-end talent and quality depth that LSU should have. In the grand scheme of things that is the real problem for the Bayou Bengals. Having a coach with a complete lack of time management skills is merely a secondary problem relative to that.
- On a macro level, the worst coaching decision of the year has to go to Mark Richt. Joe Cox should have been benched weeks ago in favor of getting one of his highly-touted young quarterbacks but it never happened. Instead, Richt tried to win now -- but didn't -- and now he still has to break in a green quarterback next year. It's simply the worst-case scenario. And making matters even worse, A.J. Green will probably turn pro after the 2010 season, and the Dawgs will never be able to take full advantage of his incredible abilities.
- Is there a more improved team in the SEC than Arkansas? I don't think so. With a win over LSU this weekend, the Hogs will move to 8-4 with likely a berth in the Cotton Bowl, despite playing arguably the toughest schedule in the entire conference. And not only have these guys improved relative to a year ago, they have also improved over the course of the season. I'm telling you, Arkansas is going to be a major threat in the coming years.
- It's a shame that it took Houston Nutt more than half of the season to figure out how to properly use Dexter McCluster. If Nutt figures that out at the beginning of the season, Ole Miss is probably a 10-1 team right now and McCluster is likely the favorite to win the Heisman. Even so, it's hard to believe that after all of the Ole Miss criticism through most of the season, Ole Miss should nevertheless finish up at 9-3, the #3 team in the SEC, and with a berth in the Capital One Bowl. And, realistically, that is about as good as it gets for Ole Miss.
- Is there a more underrated coach in the modern history of the SEC than Rich Brooks? As if three consecutive bowl appearances at Kentucky wasn't enough, he follows it up with a fourth consecutive bowl appearance. And even more impressive -- after road wins this year against both Auburn and Georgia -- Brooks can get his team to 8-4 and second place in the SEC East with a win over Tennessee. And oh yes, he's doing this with a true freshman at quarterback. Again, is there a more underrated coach in the modern history of the SEC than Rich Brooks?
- Bowl selection in the SEC is going to be an absolute nightmare. The winner of the Alabama v. Florida game in Atlanta will play in the BCS Championship game, the loser will play in the Sugar Bowl, and Ole Miss will play in the Capital One Bowl. But the other seven SEC teams that are bowl eligible? Who really knows? You are looking at having about five or six teams that finish up at either 6-6 or 7-5. Good luck sorting that one out.
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I find it highly amusing...
….that Georgia could very well wind up in the Papa Johns bowl at Legion Field. After playing in “nice” bowls for the last few years, that’s just going to be punishment.
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One nice...
…effect of an LSU win next week would be to lengthen the tenure of one Leslie Miles in Baton Rouge….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 22, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
they got no other options
and “he” brought them a BCS title, so i expect they’ve put up with this shit for at least one more year. here’s to hoping he averages 7-5 and keeps his job for at least 2 or 3 more…
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Nov 22, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
"they've"='s "they will"
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Nov 22, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Amen.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 22, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
No matter who they've got as coach...
it won’t matter, because we’ve got ours.
by crimsontsunami on Nov 22, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
So much craziness
yesterday in Oxford and even in Athens. Miles is clueless, clueless. A middle school head coach would have done better. Mark Richt is a nice guy but he does not get his team fired up to play. How do you blow a 14 pt. half time lead to UK at home when they don’t even have a their qb? Just ask Richt.
The funny thing is I expect both of these coaches to be back next year and next year will be no better for UGA or LSU.
As far as the bowls I really hope UK beats UT and get’s to the Tampa game. UK deserves something good. IF that happens, and an improving Arky beats LSU, then I think LSU may drop all the way to the Music City. That would be hilarious.
And I agree that Arky could be tough next year but that depends on Mallet returning. He is the best QB in the conference and might be wise to get the money right now.
SC, who did not play bad against UF, could jump to the Peach if they beat Clemson and that could happen. You could see Auburn, UT, and UGA fighting over the bottom 3 bowls if all three lose on Sat while SC wins.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
Barring...
Barring an upset victory over Georgia Tech, I don’t think there is any way whatsoever that the Peach Bowl could justify picking a 6-6 Georgia team over an 8-4 LSU team, especially considering that LSU beat Georgia in Athens. I’m not even sure that they could legitimately justify picking Georgia over them even if they upset Georgia Tech.
I know that the Peach Bowl is creaming themselves over a potential match-up of Georgia v. Clemson, but I’m just not sure I can see it happening. And I know they don’t want to see LSU there for the second year in a row — and the third time in five years — but even so I don’t see how LSU can fall past the Peach Bowl.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman
by outsidethesidelines on Nov 22, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I think SC
could jump to the Peach if they beat Clemson and then have a SC and Miami.
I just the Peach would want anyone but LSU since they went last year and with the economy I don’t think their fans will show in big numbers.
And UGA – Clemson would be a sell out but I don’t think the contract will allow them to pick 6-6 over 8-4.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
I agree...
…on Ryan Mallet…especially after watching the deterioration of Snead, last year’s ‘best QB’ in the SEC….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 22, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
LSU is loving Miles, I'm sure.
LSU’s SEC record 2008/09: 7-8 (with one to play).
Bama’s SEC record 2008/09: 15-0 (with one to play).
LSU’s best 2009 wins are either UGA (6-5, 4-4) or AU (7-4, 3-4). Their other 6 wins are against teams with a combined record of something like 21-45, with ULL the only one with a winning record.
Also, not to pour salt in the wound, but remember that this article was posted this week: http://smartfootball.com/game-management/nick-saban-on-preparing-for-all-possible-circumstances
Had fun in T-town with my 8 year old. Nice to see that all the usual suspects (Ingram, Julio, Trent, Javy, even Cody in the backfield) showed up.
RTR
Not to be nitpicky...
…but we did have that one little SEC loss.
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by animalcracker on Nov 22, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
How Miles
ever won a BCS NC is beyond my comprehension. You’ve already talked a bunch about the clock management at the end of the game…but what about the call to throw two fades in a row for the 2 pt conversion attempt. I know they had no RB’s they could trust but thats the best you got??
Auburna delenda est!
They won because the teams ahead of them (Missou and WVU) lost their last game
and got bumped down in the polls. That left Ohio State as a one loss team and a bunch of two loss teams and LSU was determined to be the best of that group after winning the SEC. The got in under a scenario that I doubt we will see again in the near (or far) future.
by UAinPHOENIX on Nov 22, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
That's basically it...
… 2007 was really something that had never happened before and honestly it is something that will probably never happen again. Pretty much all of the non-Kool Aid drinking LSU fans said that at the time, but most of them wouldn’t admit it. Of course, though, the past two years have done a lot of to change that thinking down on the Bayou.
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by outsidethesidelines on Nov 22, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, they got lucky.
They needed Kansas, Missouri, West Virginia, and USC to ALL lose in the last two weeks, and they all did. The other reason they got the nod was because they had that early season pantsing of Virginia Tech, who ended up 10-2 and number 3 in the final BCS standings. That gave LSU a huge boost
yeah i get
how mathematically they won the BCS CG but just the sheer fact he got them there at all is crazy. He’s obviously the most overrated coach in the SEC. Every other coach in the SEC would do twice as good with the same talent.
Auburna delenda est!
can you imagine what rich brooks would do down there
they’d be unstoppable. hell brooks DID beat miles in 07. we dont even have to use hypotheticals do we?… wow. miles is a fuckin loser. i hope for brian cook’s sake, that UM lures him away afteral.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Nov 22, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
If you want to know...
…how ‘Miles ever won’ a BCS NC, you have to start by looking at the big, fat gift he received by walking into a program recreated by CNS….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 22, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Just thought I'd throw this in here
Deadspin has a nice video juxtaposing Les saying he doesn’t know who called for the clock play with a video of him running down the sidelines, clearly motioning for Jefferson to spike it. Liar? Or idiot?
Liar? Or idiot?
Yes. And yes.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 22, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Rich Rod
I know you didn’t cover the Michigan / Ohio State game here, but i’m curious if anyone else saw what I’m pretty sure is Rich Rod crying after Ohio State recovers that fumble for the first TD. they cut to him, and he’s got tears running down his face then he covers his face with his hands, and i swear he makes those hitching movements that only come from hard sobs.
AM i crazy? Did anyone else see this?
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by That Other Dave on Nov 22, 2009 12:16 PM CST reply actions
rich brooks is the man
i remember watching him in press conference during his first season @ UK. i was certain he wouldn’t last through his second year. he was so honest and not hopeful about his teams prospects for success against U of L and then later against us, and his presser after i think the loss to tennessee was priceless. it was like he was just waiting to get axed, expecting it, he was disgusted with his team. and shit, 4 years later he’s completely turned everything around (it started in 07 with that bad ass QB they had and the big last second win over U of L… they’ve been building momentum since that day for sure).
and yes, the LSU meltdown was just precious. I’d like to add that calling the same fade pass to the left corner of the end zone, on two consecutive 2 point try’s was probably a bad decision as well. afterall they were ont he 1 yard line for the second try. miles had that game absolutly given to him, and the only way he coulda fucke dup worse woulda been to just left the final 26 run off instead of calling the final time out with 9 seconds left. i mean why bother at point anyways? right? what fucking buffoon. i wonder how many red stick dwelling corndog packin tigah fans still think they have a better coach than us?
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
By the way
I made these same kind of honest assement comments about Miles on the LSU site ATVS without the cuss words and I got banned for life.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
your comments may have been honest
but they were crass and rubbed salt in the wound. i really dont understand why any of our regulars (a few exceptions withstanding) think that any of the folks on the other sec blogs give a shit about what we think about their current situations.
PLEASE let us take the high road in the coming weeks and refrain from acting like the type of fans we are accused of being, and focus on fridays task at hand: another auburn beat-down of epic proportion, this time at Jordan-Hare.
"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban
by LittleSis on Nov 22, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You have got a point
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
what did you say over there?
got a link? cause i couldn’t resist the temptation and i went and posted something pretty reasoned and well thought out. no cuss words, just truth. and i imagine i’ll be banned soon enough…(FWIW i have been a member of ATVS for 5 months…)
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Nov 23, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you...
although I haven’t seen what 5026 said, and I don’t accuse him in particular of anything. Trash talk is the cheapest talk there is. There’s no point to it, even if someone’s talking trash to you. Alabama has a winning tradition and it speaks for itself. We should speak by winning and our opponents, after their destruction, will have nothing more to say. Also, I’ve seen some thin-skinned reactions to so-called trolls on this site that I think are hypocritical if we look at some of the things a few of our members have written on rival sites. Either we should stop whining about rival fans coming here, or stop adding salt to wounds on other sites. I know that when Alabama loses, I don’t want to hear trash talk, backhanded compliments or anything like it. Let’s do other teams’ fans the service of letting them weep in private.
by crimsontsunami on Nov 22, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
I completely disagree.
Do we have Ahole fans? yes . Do our rivals have Ahole fans? yes. Am I an Ahole fan? Sometimes. At the end of the day this is a connection of College Footballs blogs that are interconnected for a reason, so that their is interaction between the fan bases. I cant stand the fans that act like it is the worse thing in the world to razz your opponent some. Get over yourself. We have 92,000 at each game alone, not all fans need to act like good sportsman robots. Am I condoning horrible trash talk? Absolutely not. Am I guilty of it sometimes? you better believe it. I am always quite clear though that I am in no way a reflection of our entire fan base. In fact I am …….that guy
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 23, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
Do whatever you want...
Personally, I would find telling a bunch of strangers how Alabama crushed their team—and then going through the foolishness of responding to their complaints about me—kinda boring, especially over the internet. It isn’t my thang. But if it’s your thang, then go ahead. Nobody’s stopping you from being that guy.
by crimsontsunami on Nov 23, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Was not refering to you or complaints about you....
just at the notion that if you go to another site you are this troll and it is sooo horrible. I actually like SBN for the fact that all the sites are connected. Also, nothing against any of you but you can only dissect and pat your own team on the back with fellow fans so much. I also enjoy discussing/debating issues with rivals. You can actually learn a lot from them. However, I am not defending going there just to talk mess and act like a jerk.
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 23, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Nor am I denying that I have ever done that.
But hey I am working on it and getting a lot better. In fact I have even been Unbanned at RTT by Hooper and the gang for improving my etiquette.
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 23, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Oh I totally agree...
People whine too much about so-called trolls. Whenever a rival fan comes on a different blog, even if he/she has just a slightly different view from the regulars (which should be expected), he/she gets called a troll. But if a regular has a slightly different view, we accept it and debate respectfully. It makes no sense. This is true of all these blogs: the herd mentality. We ought to not take these things so seriously. We’re not a herd. We can handle differences of opinion no matter who they come from.
by crimsontsunami on Nov 23, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
i have a feeling this is going to stir up some additional debate
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Nov 23, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Auburn Ole Miss Question
OTS, looking back on the lsu/ole miss game and auburn/ole miss game, how do you think auburn had so much success against ole miss’s defense? If I recall, maybe Snead was a huge part with interceptions but auburns defense is or is known to be porous and ole miss’s defense is supposedly stout. The boogs had their way with that defense and I just wanted to get your opinion of the boogs based on ole miss. Granted Houston nutt is notorious for losing games he shouldn’t, I just cannot figure out how he lost to Auburn. Are we underestimating their offense? Defense? What are your thoughts man
by robalo216 on Nov 22, 2009 2:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Auburn scored on big plays.
They didn’t systematically move the ball into the endzone. They won with a big run on a busted defensive play, a pass out of the wildcat, and a pick six, all of which came in one quarter of play.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Nov 22, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
OTS, looking back on the lsu/ole miss game and auburn/ole miss game, how do you think auburn had so much success against ole miss’s defense?
A few thoughts on that…
(1) Auburn didn’t exactly light up the scoreboard with Ole Miss. Nine points came on special teams and defense, so the offense "only" put up 24 points offensively. That’s not a bad showing by any stretch, but not exactly a blitzkrieg either.
(2) That said, Auburn has a damn fine offense. Malzahn has easily been the most valuable assistant in the SEC this year, and just look at the production. Todd is going to throw for 2,500 yards with a 4-1 TD-to-INT ratio. Tate is going to rush for 1,300+ yards. All three of the leading tailbacks average over 5.5 yards per carry. It’s one of the better offenses in the league.
(3) LSU is just really, really bad on offense. They are weak at the point of attack, injuries have completely destroyed the tailback rotation, Jefferson is still learning, and the offensive coaching is a problem. It’s one of the worst offenses in the league.
(4) Ole Miss beat themselves, really, more than anything else. They gave Auburn an easy long TD on a busted assignment, a pick six, and a blocked extra point returned for two. Those three plays alone constitute a 16-point swing.
And honestly that’s really the difference between the two games. Auburn has a better offense than LSU, and Ole Miss beat themselves to a larger degree against Auburn than they did against LSU (though they beat themselves against LSU too, but Les bailed ’em out).
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by outsidethesidelines on Nov 22, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Also
It looks like Auburn’s offense does best when it attacks the edges/spreads the field. If you remember, Ole Miss was able to stop Auburn when Auburn tried to run it up the middle to convert a 4th down. Ole Miss has the heavies to play power football. But I think that they lack lateral speed – the ability of their linebackers to move sideline to sideline – to combat offenses that spread the field. Looking ahead to the Iron Bowl, this is a deficiency that I do not believe Alabama has. McClain and Company seem to be able to get to the ball very quickly, no matter where it is on the field.
Also, it is a wonder that Auburn didn’t score more against Ole Miss. They had 4 Jevan Snead passes bounce off Auburn DB hands before they finally picked one off on a fluke. Even then, it took some Ole Miss beating themselves, as OTS pointed out, for Auburn to really capitalize.
by Go Hide in the V-berth on Nov 22, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
I wasn't able to watch the end of the LSU game live yesterday...
…but my brother had his iPhone and he started noticing that everyone’s facebook status was mentioning what an idiot Miles is/was and so we got ourselves to a TV and then saw it. It was worse than what everyone was describing. Mind blowing.

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