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Thoughts on Auburn and Florida

  • If anyone saw Saban's interview on ESPN, he said the short week hurt the defensive game preparation and that the team had little to no intensity going into the game, which he couldn't understand.  I hate to say it, but I think we probably have helped contribute to the lack of intensity.  Of course winning 36-0 last year, combined with having Ingram on the cover of SI and Auburn losing four of their last six games (especially in dominating fashion to LSU) gave our players a false sense of security.  They've probably been hearing about how great they are and how much better they are than Auburn and it almost really cost us today.  I know we make a difference with our support, but maybe it would have helped the team if so many of us weren't so blase about the game.  I'm not referring to anyone on here as much as I'm thinking of a couple of my friends who've been very vocal about how badly Alabama would beat Auburn today.  I think this mindset might have permeated the team today because the intensity level was not what it should have been from start to finish.
  • Eryk Anders looked terrible a couple times (especially against the first reverse that went for a touchdown...if he'd stayed home he could have strung that play out for at most a minimal gain).  I know Auburn's offense is tricky, but hey, there's NO NEED for an edge player to chase a wide sweep to the opposite side.  He really needed to play more disciplined on this and a couple other plays.
  • On the onside kick, I was screaming at the funky huddle and trickery before the kickoff.  It was different from how they'd kicked off before and it was obvious something was up.  Our guys weren't ready for that and I was shocked.
  • I don't know if it was cover two or three, but Mark Barron absolutely bit and fell asleep on Auburn's third quarter touchdown pass.  Arenas was hugging the flat and Barron let the receiver streak right past him.  In either cover two or three, he can't let that happen.
  • Did anyone notice how much we were hurt by either our players or the football hitting the line judge?  That happened a couple times in important third down situations and I found myself screaming, "Get out of the F'ing way!"

As for Florida...

  • A telling sign of our chances in this game will be how well Florida gets a push on Mt. Cody and our other interior linemen.  Last year, after the Mi'ssippi game, in which Cody was injured, LSU and Florida both ran the ball effectively against our defense.  Next Saturday we should have a very good idea of how well our defense will do based purely on what happens in the middle of the field at the line of scrimmage.  If Florida gets a good push on Cody, we will probably not win the game.
  • Can we blow up Florida's option fake shovel pass play?  I'm talking about the one where Tebow starts down the line like it's an option.  His eyes are on the pitch man behind him, meanwhile either Hernandez or Demps slide in front and then catch the shovel pass.  I think Florida burns somebody almost every game with this play and I'd really like to see someone read it, jump it, and blow up the receiver. 
  • I think it's imperative that we DRILL Tim Tebow every zone or option play.  I'm not talking about running up and giving him a little push, I'm talking about treating him like a running back because Florida uses him like a running back.  When he runs the zone option, I think it would be worth a chance to have the first man through tackle Tebow.  Against Florida, it's better for someone else to carry the ball IMO.  I know teams are often told to make the Quarterback keep the ball on certain plays, but I think Florida benefits greatly from this because Tebow is such a great runner.  Why not try to take him out of the game. 
  • When tackling Tebow, it's best to hit him low.  Teams have had success this season tackling him around the ankles in the open field.  In the open field, we should do the same.
  • I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but we have struggled offensively when he try to run first.  Today, we tried to pound the ball on Auburn and they had 8 in the box most of the game.  They shut our run down for the most part, so I think we will need a gameplan similar to what we used against LSU if we are going to move the ball on Florida.
  • Finally, I don't know if our players looked past Auburn or just assumed they would win and didn't give Gus Malzahn's offense enough credit.  I don't know if Auburn really exposed us or not (I don't think so because there were some very BASIC fundamental defensive errors on two of Auburn's long touchdowns and some huge reaction errors on Auburn's onside kick recovery).  Anyway, I know this:  Florida has had their time.  They've won two championships in three years.  They've dominated the conference.  They beat us last year and ruined our season.  They are probably responsible for the Sugar Bowl against Utah.

Beat them.  It will take a tremendous game.  They've got NFL talent at every level of their defense.  Their offensive line is good.  Their quarterback is legendary.  Their skill players are faster than gnats.  But WE ARE ALABAMA.  WE owe these guys something.  Win.  This is the game we've wanted since we lost in 2008.  We got our rematch.  Now let's win it.

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Amen.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 27, 2009 8:09 PM CST reply actions  

I hope we are underdogs and UF goes in thinking we have been exposed.

by brandonh on Nov 27, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

Anders

was routinely biting on the inside draw. I can’t remeber the exact count but when they had success running outside, it was because he crashed down. He also got beat early on the deep pass. IMO that was his worst game of the season and he can’t have a similar performance against UF. If he does that game might get ugly.

Auburna delenda est!

by bammer on Nov 27, 2009 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

The Ump...

…has been in the way of quite a few plays for us this season. They do not seem to be able to get out of the way. He could not have got out of the way of the first pass but the pass to ingram, he went over Ingram’s back when he could have side stepped. Maybe we need more athletic refs.

Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs

by bamachine on Nov 27, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Does this have anything to do at all with play design?

Obviously the refs start in the same positions, and it’s clear that a team can’t always tell which way they’ll move, but it would seem that where the refs stand would be somewhat a part of a play’s design. Does anyone in the know have info on this?

I bleed crimson and white...I puke Vol puke orange. RTR

by SugarBowl93 on Nov 27, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you see Javy get even?

He straight up busted a ref in the face passing him the ball.

"Only the strong survive , but the strong still get their [fannies] whipped." Coach Nick Saban

by RocksinBama on Nov 28, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

LET'S GO

I’m still pumped up about the game today and I CANNOT wait until next Saturday. I think what happened to us today will actually benefit us. Our team will be completely focused on Florida this week, and Saban will be all over them. I can’t see us losing again to Florida this year, it’s just in the cards. As Bamagrad pointed out, Florida has had thier time, and they beat us last year. It’s tough to win the rematch if you won the first time also. And the close calls against Auburn and Tennessee just make it seem like we are the team of destiny this year. This will be a defensive battle that comes down to which offense steps up. Hopefully Ingram will be healthy and ready to go. McElroy grew up today, Julio has been awesome, Peek is getting back to 100%, and overall the offense is looking better.

36-0

by Bamabrave4 on Nov 28, 2009 12:26 AM CST reply actions  

Yep.

It’s tough to win the rematch if you won the first time also.

Case in point: Iron Bowl 2009.

by Espyonage on Nov 28, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Good analysis ....

I don’t know where ole Joe Kines is, but he would have been proud of this defense! It was as much ‘read-and-react’ and ‘arm tackling’ as I have seen since ‘Shulaball’!
Could anyone go through Checkdowns any slower than Gmac? The boy is as slow as a Neil Young song. The Lizards are gona love that better than nibblin’ on a dead cow! This victory felt about as good as the one afte rthe Tenn game. It’s a win, but it don’t put a ‘shut-up’ on their fans.

by ramabama on Nov 28, 2009 6:30 AM CST reply actions  

we've definitely had some discussion here about offensive play calling

and i just want to know why we can’t do some of that ‘harlem globetrotter’ offense the Barn used yesterday. i mean we have elite personnel at key positions and i woke up this morning really scratching my head over this.

i understand that we don’t want trickery to be our fail-safe plan but come on, aren’t we capable of using some offensive schemes that other teams would have a hard time replicating in their preparation?

"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban

by LittleSis on Nov 28, 2009 6:55 AM CST reply actions  

We have used some of that kind of play calling.

Ingram had a sure TD pass if he had just put a little touch on the ball – it went off Julio’s fingertips. Earlier in the season we hit Julio from a McElroy pass out of the wildcat after Ingram gave Greg the toss. We almost hit Smelley (sp? I’m as bad as Verne!) the same way. We’ve got a few of those plays up our sleeve, but timing is so important on those type of plays, and I don’t know if I’ve ever seen better timed trickeration than the Auburn coaching staff used yesterday. When the first series got them a TD, they knew that a bit more trickeration might just blow our doors off, and it almost did. The only trick play they ran more than once that I noticed was the end-around that scored them the first TD. Everything else was one different look after another. Gotta give them credit for that!

I bleed crimson and white...I puke Vol puke orange. RTR

by SugarBowl93 on Nov 28, 2009 7:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Everything else was one different look after another

exactly – and i definitely give them credit which is why i am questioning why the hell we don’t do MORE? everything ‘different’ thing we did yesterday we have done before so it’s not really different is it?

all i know is that auburn – i mean seriously AUBARN – had an awesome offensive and defensive game plan while being a pretty huge underdog and it frustrates the hell out of me that we made their coaching staff look like freaking geniuses.

if the boogs can do that to us with inferior players, damnit, why the hell can’t we turn that shit on someone else – namely FLORIDA.

"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban

by LittleSis on Nov 28, 2009 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

ok after re-reading my own post i sound mad as hell

and i’m really not. i am very proud of our team for overcoming all the adversity they did.

i just don’t want that game to be roadmap for urban on how to confuse us. i want to do that to HIM.

"You have to create 6 seconds of hell each play..."
Coach Nick Saban

by LittleSis on Nov 28, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure we'll do some of that against Florida...

And you’re right. We did make Auburn’s coaches look like geniuses. They called a great game with lesser talent, and almost beat us. I will concede that we got outcoached for at least the first quarter. (For example, we should’ve been prepared for the onside kick throughout that game. I and probably many others were yelling “watch the onside” even before they came out with the weird formation. And did anyone else think that Julio caught the pass that was called incomplete on the first drive? I thought that warranted a challenge.)

Urban will try to take advantage of our confusion in coverage. If we blitz Arenas, they’ll probably try to take advantage of our safeties this time, as opposed to purely targeting Marquis Johnson like they did last year. We must do a better job of sticking to our assignments. But I don’t think their pass or run game will be nearly as effective as they were last year simply because they have less weapons. And our defense has more.

I’m certain we’re going to come out with some trick plays. And we’re probably going to do a lot of vertical passing early on.

by crimsontsunami on Nov 28, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I will also add...

after watching the Gators this year, that they have the same problem when they blitz the corner. We can exploit them in those situations if we react quickly enough.

by crimsontsunami on Nov 28, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Auburn Front 7

I thought what was more telling is that Auburn did not have to load the box with 8-9 guys throughout most of the first half. Alabama’s offensive line got whipped, and Auburn got excellent penetration in the middle. Coleman gave Carpenter all he could handle. Coleman did a really good job of keeping the plays from bouncing outside.

The thing that was unbelievable to me was that Josh Bynes was simply never accounted for when we were running the ball. I am not sure if that is credit to Auburn’s defensive line for clogging up multiply blockers, but he never even had to shed a blocker. Needless to say, not blocking Spikes would lead to disastrous results next week.

by Kenny483 on Nov 28, 2009 7:28 AM CST reply actions  

They moved around a lot pre-snap

and they did roll their coverages to bring guys close to, if not into, the box. For this reason, I think it’s imperative that we come out throwing against Florida.

We need a gameplan like the one we used against Virginia Tech and LSU. If we come out running (the old run, run, pass series) we will struggle. We have been a dominant offense when we’ve been unpredictable.

The fact that McElwain called a run for the 3rd and 3 play from the four yardline is amazing. Passes like the one GMAC threw to Upchurch are almost always open in those situations. I think part of the big reason our offense struggles in the red zone is because our playcalling isn’t too well-conceived at all times. We often pass when we should run and run when we should pass. I’m glad Saban changed it last night. That was great strategy to bring Cody in and then throw a Play Action pass.

MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--

BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.

by Bamagrad on Nov 28, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Especially about the part of throwing the ball. We attempted one down field pass over 20+ yards all day. I thought that really changed the way LSU played us in the second half of that game, but we did not do so here.

I guess the encouraging thing you could take away from this game is that Julio probably had his best game of the year. He has had more yards, but never as many important catches.

by Kenny483 on Nov 28, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

It was a great

strategy- but wow was it risky. If the ball is tipped, or GMac tries to force it in, well we could have lost our chance at a chip shot FG which would still have won the game.

Now GMac is very intelligent, and I’m sure if Roy was not wide open he has instructions to throw it away…but wow it really could have backfired.

By the way if we run it up the middle there then Auburn has to use their final TO before our FG which means they likely would not have even had a last play Hail Mary.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Nov 28, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely...

Passing early on is what scores points for us. I want to see some five-wide in the first series.

by crimsontsunami on Nov 28, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

The key to beating Florida is tackling.

I’m so tired of seeing Tebow run for 5 to 7 yards after the first mis-tackle. I agree with Bamagrad, we must put a hurting on him and make him think twice about taking off with the ball.

Demps and Rainey are little guys, how in the hell can these guys take a solid tackle?

Solid tackling is the key to our success against the gators.

Got that winning feelin'

by skycaster on Nov 28, 2009 6:24 PM CST reply actions  

One key to the game

is for whomever is playing inside by McClain to have a big day. The other backer is one of our weak points. I sure wish we had Hightower for this one.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Nov 28, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

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