An early primer on the SEC Championship Game
Enough about Auburn, the goal coming into this season was to get back to Atlanta for a rematch with the Gators and we have done just that. Obviously there are a lot of issues to address this week, so I want to go ahead and write a rough primer addressing many of them. Let's get started:
Pythagorean Wins
Many of you are aware of my research into the application of the concept of Pythagorean Wins into SEC football, and with the 2009 SEC regular season officially coming to an end this past weekend, we can now get an early estimate on Pythagorean Wins. I won't get into the nitty gritty just yet -- I'll save the 2009 Pythagorean Wins post for a later day -- but the highlights of this year's analysis is that Alabama and Florida are still a head above the rest of the SEC, Florida stills lead the SEC very narrowly over 'Bama, but the gap between the Tide and the Gators is much smaller than last year, and both 'Bama and Florida are pretty big overachievers relative to their Pythagorean projection.
Last year Florida outscored conference opponents by a total of 259 points, and the Tide did so by a highly impressive 140, but things are a lot closer this year. The Gators "only" outscored conference opponents by 125 points this year, and the Tide outscored their opponents by 123 points. That's a long way down for the Gators from last year, and now the margin of razor thin in terms of the two teams Pythagorean projections. The gap between the two teams last year in conference point differential was 119 points, and this year the gap is down to a mere two points. Had Leigh Tiffin converted on his partially blocked field goal attempt in the Iron Bowl, the Tide would lead in this category.
It turns out the Gators are indeed human, but...
The good news for those of us praying not to see a repeat of last year's outcome in Atlanta is that Florida is not necessarily invincible this year. Last year the Gators average margin of victory in conference play was roughly 38 points, and in terms of sheer domination, that was probably the most dominant team we have ever seen in the history of SEC football, and perhaps the most dominant we will ever see, well, ever. Those guys went through the SEC last year like Lawrence Taylor in Tecmo Bowl, but fortunately they have came back to Earth a bit this year.
On the other hand, don't read too much into that. Florida has not been completely invincible this year, but they did go undefeated and for the most part they weren't seriously challenged. Only Arkansas gave them a true scare, and they won every other conference game by 10 points or more. The fact that Florida hasn't annihilated teams at the same clip as they did last year says more to the reality that last year was a once-in-a-lifetime type season more than it does about any inherent weakness in this year's Gators.
A Vertical Element in the Passing Game
Some teams throw the football down the field. We don't. And some teams throw the football to their wide receivers. But we don't do that either. Or, more precisely put, we apparently cannot do that. Oh I'm sure we would love to, but, um, you know...
In any event, it just doesn't happen. We just do not throw the football down the field, period. Again Mississippi State we threw literally two passes all day further than fifteen yards beyond the line of scrimmage, both of which came on busted coverages. Against Auburn, once again we threw literally two passes all day further than fifteen yards beyond the line of scrimmage. And we cannot get the football consistently to wide receivers not named Julio Jones, either. Against Auburn not a single wide receiver outside of Jones caught a pass, and on the year our second leading receiver in terms of receptions (Marquis Maze) is barely averaging two catches per game.
Why is that the case? I really don't know because we don't have sufficient information. It's either a function of a quarterback entirely too quick to check down, wide receivers unable to consistently get separation, or some combination of the two. My gut instinct is that it is mostly on McElroy's shoulders because he does check down very quickly, but again that's all speculation, and unless you have the coach's film to get the birds eye view of the entire play developing, you really don't have enough information to adequately assign blame.
Either way, regardless of whatever the cause of this problem happens to be, it is something we have to get fixed by the opening kick-off in Atlanta.
Brandon Spikes... the game of his life on the horizon?
Speaking of the lack of a vertical threat in the passing game, Ted Roof and the rest of the Auburn defensive coaching staff altered their defensive gameplan accordingly to that and it paid big dividends. They stuffed the box and consistently committed a lot of personnel to stopping the run. They were putting a hat on a hat for every blocker we had, and still had enough to let middle linebacker Josh Bynes roam free. Not surprisingly, Bynes had arguably his finest day at the collegiate level, racking up 10 tackles plus a tackle for a loss. He roamed free on the interior running plays and Jonathon Evans -- starting his first game -- largely did the same thing to runs on the outside, and racked up 8 tackles in his own right.
Rest assured Florida will do the same thing. They have a much better defensive line and they will commit the resources that Auburn did. That will allow Brandon Spikes to largely roam free, and if that happens he will literally end up with a tackle on basically every single interior running play. And, as an added boost to the Gators, it will make the loss of A.J. Jones a moot point.
Again, we have to find a way to throw the football vertically against these guys. If not, Spikes will have a career day and our offense will be ineffective.
The 'Bama offensive line in pass protection... a weak link?
I know what you are thinking, our offensive line a weak link in pass protection? But, they've done a great job this year on that front, right? Well, in raw terms yes they have. We have only given up 14 sacks in 316 passing attempts, and that gives us an Adjusted Sack Rate of only 4.4%. That will surely be one of, if not, the best rates in the SEC.
But that is not necessarily to say that they might not be a weak link. Yes they have protected the quarterback very well so far this year, but on the other hand they have had an easy job too. We don't throw the football down the field, we check down a lot, and the ball comes out very quickly. All in all it makes life very easy for them in pass protection. But against Florida, that will likely be a very different story. We'll have to take some shots vertically, and the Gators have a great pass rush in the front four.We'll find out a lot about just how good these guys are this weekend.
Slow starts
No putting a pretty face on this one, slow starts have plagued us all season long and that is one of the major reasons we have been forced to rally from behind in the fourth quarter three times to remain undefeated.
Florida International led us in the second quarter. LSU jumped out to an early 7-0 lead against us. The Arkansas game was scoreless going into the second quarter. The Ole Miss game was 3-0 late in the second quarter. We led Kentucky only 7-6 with 45 seconds remaining in the first half. The Tennessee game was a 3-3 game midway through the second quarter. Mississippi State had two good drives to start the game, mixed with a three and out by our offense. Auburn jumped out to a 14-0 lead before our offense even managed a first down. Hell, we even went three and out against lowly Tennessee-Chattanooga.
The only time our offense has scored a touchdown on their opening possession against a BCS conference opponent was Kentucky. The end result of our opening offensive possession the previous seven games have been as follows: punt, interception, three and out, punt, three and out, three and out, three and out. Am I the only one who wants to drop an F-bomb when reading that?
In any event, starting fast isn't everything, of course, but slow starts can sure as hell get you beat. We've been playing with fire on this front all year long, and it may very well get us burnt in Atlanta. If we come out of the gate against the Gators like we have much of the year, we may very well find ourselves down 14-0 again before the game really even gets started. And to paraphrase Verne Lundquist from a few years back, there are few certainties in an uncertain worlds, but one of them is this: Florida ain't Auburn. And we had better not start as such come Saturday.
Arenas probably won't be a factor as a returner...
Javier Arenas has been an impact player for us in the return game ever since he first stepped foot on campus in 2006, and he even had a couple of big returns for us in the Iron Bowl this past Saturday to boot. However, we probably shouldn't expect him to have any major impact in the return game come Saturday. Florida has been nothing short of perfect in kick and punt coverage this year, and return yards have been almost non-existent against them.
On the year, they've allowed only four punt returns this year for a grand total of 13 yards. They are netting almost 43 yards per punt, and basically they boom it deep and high, and usually the kick either sails out of bounds or the returner is forced to call a fair catch. Likewise, things have been very good on kick returns as well. They only have nine touchbacks on 73 kickoffs, so Arenas and company will get chances there, but the Gators are averaging only 20 yards per kick return, one of the best in the country.
So, unfortunately, you probably shouldn't expect Javier Arenas to play a big role in the return game here, and it certainly doesn't seem like our offense will get any great help from this area. On the other hand, though, if our kick coverage issues continue, rest assured Brandon James will make us pay.
All of this Ingram v. Tebow hype, don't buy it...
I notice that many of the national talking heads are already billing this one as an Ingram v. Tebow battle, but don't buy into that talk. Tebow may be that near that important just because of the position he plays, but even so this game will be decided by the group effort of 80+ players, and to be so myopic that you look at only two players is simply overestimating the value of one individual in the ultimate team sport.
Certainly our chances of winning are better if Ingram can get healthy and play at a high level, but it's far from a death knell for us if he is a relative non-factor like he was against Auburn. Both Trent Richardson and Roy Upchurch are fine players in their own right, and the drop-off from Ingram to them isn't very much. There are more important issues out there that will likely decide this game other than the Ingram situation.
Uncharted Waters
All in all, you have to keep in mind that this is a very hard game to project because this game is uncharted waters for both teams. Simply put, Alabama hasn't played a team yet that is anywhere near as good as Florida. Florida hasn't played a team that is anywhere near as good as Alabama.
The best team 'Bama has faced all season is probably either LSU or Ole Miss. Florida, on the other hand, probably faced their toughest opponent against LSU, and after that their toughest opponent may very well have been 7-5 Arkansas in Gainesville. So, again, this is uncharted territory for both squads, and this makes this game very difficult to project. There is probably a lot more inherent unpredictability in a game like this than there are in most others.
Want Meyer to go to Notre Dame?
Okay, so you want Urban Meyer to go to Notre Dame, right? Well, if you want that to be the case, you had better find a way to beat Florida on Saturday. Think about it this way... Notre Dame is probably going to fire Charlie Weis any day now, and we might even get official word today. But if Florida wins this Saturday, Meyer will be in the BCS Championship Game yet again, and Notre Dame won't even get a legitimate chance to talk to him until January 9th. In real terms, that means the Irish will probably just move on in the next couple of weeks and hire someone like Brian Kelly.
Now, admittedly, I really don't think there is much of any real chance of Meyer going to South Bend anyway. Oh I'm sure the powers that be at Notre Dame will kick the tires on him a bit -- they will definitely do that, and it would be idiotic if they didn't -- but I'd still be really surprised to see him leave Gainesville. Nevertheless, though, if you want that to even remain a viable option, you've got to find a way to knock off Florida on Saturday. Notre Dame is probably the only job that Meyer would leave Florida for, and If the Gators win in Atlanta for the second year in a row, you can guarantee that Meyer will be in Gainesville another four or five years at a minimum.
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Im all over the place when it comes to predicting this game...
The Bama fan in me says go with the Tide…the football fan in me says “UF has the defense and at least a consistent offense, and better special teams (at least in coverage)…so pick the gators”…
Then the Bama fan in me punches me in the nuts and says “WHAT THE HELL! PICK THE TIDE”…
Of course im going with Bama in this game but i don’t feel all that confident in the pick. We are going to have to play lights out. The offensive line MUST play the best game of their lives on Sat. GMac MUST find the open man. Julio will most likely be doubled all day and UF will spy ingram just like AU did.
Unlike last years game, im not worried at all about UF’s offense exposing our defense. They aren’t nearly as scary and our defense is a year older and a year better. The problem though (just like last year) will be how our offense will play against their D….that is the reason i just don’t really know how the game will go..
Auburna delenda est!
My thoughts exactly!
It will be a hard fought game. Ro and the D need one heckuva performance.
Auburn fans are like slinkys... not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Just
As all championship type games go down with good teams playing. Its gonna come down to who flinches first. Who muffs a punt who throws an int who falls donw on coverage etc etc. I think they are that evenly matched
I am a member of the Sabanation Roll!!Tide!!
Remember...
We were ahead of them twice in last years game, but couldn’t finish it out. I think CNS has drilled in their heads to play all out for 60 mins. and finish the game. We are better than we were last year and they are not as good as last year. I think we can do it but I’m still scared of a repeat…
I keep hearing that, but I've never been convinced
that we’re better than last year. Maybe on defense, but I think the offense is not necessarily better just a little more geared towards the pass. This can lead to better statistical numbers, but I really like the consistency of an O-line that blows people off the line of scrimmage. It doesn’t matter how fast a defense is if they’re getting pushed backwards. And even if the balance does make us a little better, I think the best way to attack the Florida D is with a power running game. Their run D is very, very good, but their pass D is exceptional.
I will agree though that Florida doesn’t seem to be as good as last year, and likely has taken a larger step back than we have.
Great write up
Looking forward to following the Bama perspective this week.
I’m on board with lawbama’s projection. The team making the fewest mistakes with win the game. I am very concerned that Bama’s kicker is better than ours though, as I see a game with less than 30 points total.
Minor nitpick...
Against Auburn not a single wide receiver outside of Jones caught a pass…
Well, Darius Hanks got 1 catch for 15 yards. However, your point still stands. Our passing game isn’t balanced and the receivers aren’t getting the ball nearly enough.
That being said, this is the first game all year I’ve been truly worried about. Maybe it’s just shell shock from last season’s back slide, but the Tide is going to have to prove my fears wrong this year.
whats funny is it was balanaced
early on but now everything is going to julio again…
Auburna delenda est!
I agree that we need some vertical passing
or at least an occasional attempn. Hanks did have one catch for 15 yards. Mayes had ona a couple weeks ago. Member at the start of the year we thought McCoy would be the other guy? They all can still catch the ball(if given the opportunity) We are not the Spartins in the movie “300”, and can’t take on 9-10 guys at the line of scrimmage and still expect to run the ball. We have to at least attempt to go deep..
Rex E Mathis
That downfield passing attack
Florida has the best secondary in the country and will make McElroy pay for airing it out. My guess is Saban knows this and will gameplan similarly to how he has all season. Which will be very dangerous if Florida gets an early lead.
I'm guessing that Saban will open a bag of tricks in this one.
Florida hasn’t played many great opponents this year. I think they’ve played one ranked team (LSU). I fully expect the Bama D to play a great game. Holding Florida to 24 points or less. But……..the real question is how well will the Tide offense play. Saban will have to try some trickery and misdirection. ie reverses, throwing out of the wildcat. I remember last year when Bama played out of the Pony formation with Coffee and Ingram in the backfield. This made a D choose a back to key in on.Not one time this year have I seen Ingram and Trent lined up together in the backfield. It’s these kind of wrinkles that we must throw at this team. I look for their gameplan to mirror AU’s. If thats the case we must add something to the soup or it’s going to be Spikes for Heisman.
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Actually....
…we have run the “Wildcat” formation a few times with Ingram and Richardson in at the same time and it worked quite well. For some mysterious reason, we haven’t used it much, if at all, in the last several games. It makes so much more sense than running the wildcat with McElroy staying in. Ingram can keep the ball or hand off to Richardson and the defense has to be prepared for both. I would love to see those two in the backfield in short yardage situations with Cody in to block. That would drive the defense nuts! Roll Tide!!!!!
Well...
As far as McElroy staying on the field… we cannot pitch it back to McElroy and have him throw the ball if he is not on the field. If we only brought him on the field when we were planning on running a pitch and pass out of the Wildcat, we would telegraph our plans to the defense every time and they would be waiting for it. Keeping McElroy on the field is two-fold… it allows us the option of having McElroy pass, and it forces defenses to account for that possibility.
That said, from my recollection, we have been very successful with Richardson and Ingram in the formation at the same time.
by CrimsonWraith on Nov 30, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
I like the idea of Ingram throwing the ball.
He nearly had Julio in the end zone in the Aubie game and any good QB could have missed by as little as he did. Granted, that’s a pretty small sample size, but if Saban is confident enough to build in that play, I won’t be worried if McElroy stays out for several plays from the Wildcat.
As for tipping our hand, though, you’re right. However after the Barn game, I think passing is even a threat when Ingram is in. That was a nice little wrinkle thrown in at just the right time by Saban. It’ll definitely keep the Gators guessing.
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Warning: Grammar Police...
…“they have came back to Earth” should read “they have come back to Earth”. Think of it like this: it works just like “they will come back to Earth”. You wouldn’t say “they will came back to Earth”. Helping verbs like ‘have’, ‘had’, and ‘has’ work the same way.
I apologize if this seems trite to you, but I’ve noticed this particular grammatical error a few times in your posts, and I feel compelled to address it. I always appreciate your research and insights into the game, and you do a wonderful job of breaking it down for all of us. All I can say is that, if I were in your place, I would want to know about little things like this as well so my readers could focus on football and not get distracted by these little speed bumps along the way. If it’s just me, then, again, I apologize.
I promise not to bring it up again. Now I’ll go finish reading the post and focus on football. Thanks for all you do.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 30, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions
OK, I've read it all, now...
…and I’m really glad you brought up how much the gap has narrowed between the two teams this year. I think a lot of people underestimated Auburn before this past weekend, and I think a similar thing is happening leading up to this game. Looking at point and yardage differentials in SEC play between Bama and AU last week, it seemed we should win by a score close to 28-22, which we did. Of course, I didn’t think we would give up so many points so early, or that we would take so long to gain the lead, but, by the final whistle, we ended up about where I expected us to finish.
This weekend, UF seems like they should be a one to three point favorite. I’m guessing Vegas set the initial line a little high based on the last games of the season by each team, but those games alone are highly misleading. FSU is a mediocre football team at best, and Auburn, as much as it pains me to say it, is a good football team that’s just too lacking in depth to endure through four quarters of football.
I don’t know how I feel about the ‘vertical passing’ game. I do know that our previous coaching staff focused on it so much that it became a liability. I also know that, if we don’t at least threaten the Gators with it a couple of times, and early, we’re liable to end up struggling all day on offense.
I’m a little concerned about our O-line. This was our one constant last year (sans games where we faced multiple injuries), but we’ve lost size and strength here. I really hope Mike Johnson is healthy Saturday, and the rest of those boys better be eating their Wheaties. I’ll give ‘em all ’A’s’ for effort, and I really like the multiple ways we employ them, but I’m not sure this is a line that can wear Florida down by the end of the game.
My main concern is how we employ our running game. Last week, it was painfully obvious that AU was selling out when Ingy was in the backfield, yet we didn’t seem to respond to their approach immediately. It was almost to our advantage that he was sidelined during that final drive, because AU changed their approach as well. Anyway, we didn’t approach our average rushing total in that game, and that’s something we just can’t afford to have happen this weekend.
All that being said, I’m very excited about this game. These are the two best teams in football, with little apparent separation between the two. It’s a unique opportunity for our team. Here’s hoping they seize it by the horns. Roll Tide.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 30, 2009 11:15 AM CST reply actions
Some good points here
I have become increasingly frustrated with the passing game as the year has gone on. Florida had a similar situation in their offense earlier in the year. A key component of running an offense such as UF’s is the ability to stretch the field vertically. With the loss of Harvin and Murphy, Florida had a difficult time doing this early on. The net result of this is that you effectively allow the opposing defense to be able to eliminate a portion of the field. If you cannot throw the ball more than 20 yards down the field, then all a d-coord needs to do is squat on the curls, slants, comebacks and running game. This makes life MUCH easier for a defense.
That being said, I believe we have the same problem, but for different reasons. I have noticed, and let me preface this by saying that I love me some Gmac and wish he would do great, but he makes what I consider poor decisions throwing it down the field. Now, these are not poor decisions that have resulted in interceptions, mind you, but he has consistently – and I mean 20-30 times this season, made the choice to throw the deep ball into double or triple coverage on the long balls, generally to his first deep read on the play. A prime example was in the AU game where he threw a ball to Maze (who had both safeties and a cb on him) while Julio was on an underneath pattern 30 yds downfield and would have walked into the end zone.
I feel it is b/c of this that we don’t call as many downfield throws – and it has become a self sustaining problem – we don’t call the throws b/c we don’t make the right decision when we do and we don’t make good decisions so we don’t call the plays…….it is frustrating as hell and I am very concerned that if Florida’s defense only has to cover a section of field 15-20 yds deep, then we are skull-fucked on offense.
I think we need to throw the whole damn playbook at them to win – I mean no holds barred fucking cagefight with these bastards……I want to win this game so badly I can hardly stand it…….This is not just for the SEC Championship, or a chance to play for the BCS title……It is for our program, the biggest game since the Sugar Bowl in ’92……These pricks are sitting on our throne in their fucking jorts and I am sick of it……IT IS TIME TO GODDAMN TAKE IT BACK
Pistol Formation
Hey – Does anyone have an idea on why we stopped using the Pistol Formation? I haven’t seen it in weeks and thought it was great for running and play action pass….
by ICANHASCHEEZBURGER on Nov 30, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions
We ran it in the Auburn game, maybe not as much, but I’m sure I saw Ingram behind Mcelroy in the pistol for at least one of his runs.
by Alabama ManDance on Nov 30, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
i think we'll have to, and accordingly will do, get a little more creative with play calling and formations
and also, like others have said, play as close to mistake free ball as possible. count me among the thousands who want to see Roy, Trent, and Mark all get lots of action. Roy and Mark are great pass blockers, Trent is probably our best rushers and receiver of the group. all of em can run like hell though and catch really. we need to confuse florida with our personnel that we put out there. none of that “one back and it’s upchurch so you know we’re passing, or one back and it’s MI, so you know we’re running” crap. confuse the hell out of them. Marks hip hurtin? use him as a decoy all nite then, only let him pass block and take PA fakes. hand it off to Roy and pass to Trent. and yes, cody is now pretty much an integral part of the goal line O. i just hope we get into more than a few goal line situations so we can really fuck with floridas head with how we use him (he’s eventually getting a FB dive off center).
our D should be solid enough to limit them to 17-20 points as long as we dont enable them with good field position via turnovers/poor special teams play.
as long as we come out guns blazing, throw some creative/new looks at em, and complete a couple deep balls, then i think we’ll score 30 or more. (i love the pistol formation w/ 1 TE, 3 WR’s and a tailback. we can pound power runs with it, we can run traps/counters, and we can get DEEP fast and hit killer PA bombs with it. please lets use it to it’s fullest)
for the next five days there is nothing in my heart but hate. pure, untempered, ice-cold hate. fond memories are for saturday. - Kleph
My thoughts
I know that Saban had Bob Stoops come down to Tuscaloosa during the summer to give advice on defending the spread, that Alabama worked on Florida some during the preseason, and reportedly, during the bye week and the UT-Chattanooga week. Does anyone have any thoughts on what this might mean or how it will impact the game?
You know that MSU spent all year basically preparing to beat Ole Miss last weekend, and they really woodshedded them. I’m not saying that we will do that, but if you agree with the premise that this year’s Alabama team is better than last year’s, this year’s Florida team is not as good as last year’s, and that Alabama and Florida were pretty evenly matched last year for three quarters until the better team won – I think we have a real chance at a win here. Throw in a few wrinkles that Saban has been working on for the last 12 months, and I just feel like it’s our time.
"So I want everybody to think here for a second, how much does this game mean to you? 'Cause if it means something to you, you can't stand still. You understand? You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" - Coach Nick Saban before the 2008 LSU game.
by 12NationalChampionships on Nov 30, 2009 1:26 PM CST reply actions
I'm going to say the extra prep
could be a hidden factor. I’m not so sure if we have not played much of this year with one thought, “Let’s be careful, just win the game, and get back to ATL.” There is no doubt this team has pointed to UF for much of the season.
I mean we never had a 2008 UGA or 2008 Auburn type game. Last year with UGA we were extremly focused. And, with Auburn it was all about beating Auburn. This year we lacked emotion, focus, whatever you want to call it we were flat against Auburn. And, we were flat against LSU & UT.
But, now there is no pressure. We are underdogs, they have Superman. We can play loose, have fun, and who knows maybe we will surprise the experts.
A couple of factors. (1) Saban has been toying with Ali Sharrief at inside LB. He may use him there to spy on Tebow. We will not use Ro to spy on Tebow. My biggst question is can Sharrief bring Tebow down. (2) Against UF, Garcia of SC was able to move the team by throwing it 32 times. Even though his complettions were low, and he got sacked 4 or so times, he still had them in position to win when he threw his second int in the 4th qt. If he just doesn’t throw an int SC could have won or taken the game to OT. GMac is not a great qb, but he is equal to Garcia, and he does not usually throw ints. I think we win it through the air with somewhat short safe passes. No turnover means a Bama win. (3) Richardson has fresh legs. (4) UF already had their emotional, end of season game last week, we have not. (5) Sooner or later somebody has to beat UF. Maybe we could their Utah!
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
"can Sharrief bring Tebow down?"
if he gets a running start i sure as hell think so.
nice observation Re: sharrief @ LB, i was wondering why he was there myself. this could be a nice little wrinkle. keep sharrief on tebow, Ro on anyone getting a handoff or shovel pass up the middle (hernandez), and the CB’s/OLB’s on the outside runners/pitch men (demps/rainey).
for the next five days there is nothing in my heart but hate. pure, untempered, ice-cold hate. fond memories are for saturday. - Kleph
by tempebamafan on Nov 30, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
look forward to a great game on saturday with you guys
this really has the makings of a great game between two wonderful teams. the difference in winning and losing, outside of turnovers, will be whether or not UF’s corners can cover them big, physical bama receivers man to man. looking back at the bama lsu game when lsu’s starting corners went down, julio was able to break free for that long td. pay attention if one of UF’s corners go down if bama don’t go hard at that players position, and who is to say that our boys will be able to cover in man to start with. either way, it should be a great game. good luck bama and GO GATORS
OTS
Why do you think Florida will stack the box as much as Auburn did? Isn’t that too risky against the SEC’s 4th best efficiency passer? Isn’t it more likely that they will mix formations a lot more and not stack the box as often? Auburn took a lot of risks on defense; why would the Gators need to do that? They’re not going to let us dink and dunk all the way down the field the way Auburn did for most of the last 3 quarters.
by M. Johnson Defender on Nov 30, 2009 6:37 PM CST reply actions
Yes and no...
Florida is going to stack the box against us to stop the run just like Auburn did. They won’t do it quite to the degree Auburn did simply because they have more raw talent and depth, and thus they can achieve the same result even while doing it to a lesser degree than Auburn did.
And here’s the thing about risk… it’s not a risky strategy. At least not against us. It’s only risky if your opponent shows that they can throw the football vertically and beat you by attacking you deep down the field. And considering we have largely been completely unable to do that this year, it’s basically a risk-free strategy.
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by outsidethesidelines on Dec 1, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
FL vs. SC
Good points about Garcia and the Gamecocks. FL was bringing pressure various ways, but SC continued finding ways to move the ball.
I expect FL will use a similar approach on McElroy. They don’t need to commit to loading the box as much as AU did (no slight to AU). It’ll be more like the D that John Parker Wilson saw most of last season. Run blitzes or slants to fill the gaps; attack around the ball aggressively to limit 1st-2nd down gains; force us into 3rd-and-longs and put all the pressure on the QB to make lower-percentage throws than he wants to.
TN discovered that quick slant passes work on us. Wonder why Bama doesn’t do that…?
The Gators have their shuttle pass thing working. That’s another play we could put in, even if FL is used to practicing against it. Remember the sprint draws Spurrier put in against Curry & Copeland in the ’92 SEC title game…?
Haven’t been this excited since the wait for that Sugar Bowl against Miami. I never dreamed it would happen the way it did then; I just felt good about our chances. Felt like Bama was going to find a way, whatever it took. ROLL TIDE ROLL!
by Jeff (no, the other one) on Nov 30, 2009 8:05 PM CST reply actions
+1 on the slant comment
we have been shitiful at stopping that all yr, and you can bet UF will try to attack it……I’ve been going to Bama games all my life with my father…..I haven’t missed an Alabama home game since Tiffin’s kick in ’85 and my dad since the run in the mud…….In all those years, the only time I have seen Alabama use the slant pass with any regularity was in the ’05 Florida game and, wonder of wonders, it worked like gangbusters…….we have sat in the stands all those years and watched team after team run those quick slants on us and eat us alive – if it is run correctly, and on time, it is simply undefendable…….the only defense, I think is to try to jam the receivers at the line to throw off the timing – but even then it is tough to stop……wish we would do it more often
Ingram admitted he wasn't patient enough
in the Auburn game, and that contributed to his poor showing.
But Mark is smart and mature enough to learn from his mistakes. He will have a better game this week even if the Gators stack the line like Auburn did.

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