LSU was robbed
by tempebamafan on Nov 8, 2009 9:53 AM CST
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So i've been reading different articles around the sports o sphere and i'm pretty much blown away by the utter crap i'm seeing. According to CNNSI's Andy Staples, "the disputed call is all anyone will want to talk about this week."
am i the only one who thinks the call could have gone either way, and that the replay footage was insufficient enough to cause a reversal in either direction, and therfore the original ruling on the field should hold. Am I just being blinded by homerism, or did the re-play refs actually get the call right?
And of course, none of this so called conspiracy theory talk mentions how Bama was absolutely ROBBED of a big important 3rd down catch late in the 4th quarter vs LSU 2 years ago (ruled a catch, replay confirmed it, yet they overturned it), or the blown TD by Earl Alexander last year that was ruled a fumble into the EZ and given to LSU, and of course the biggest bullshit phantom holding call ever that cost JPW his 40 yard rushing TD that would have iced the game @ LSU last year. And then there was yesterdays game, anyone else think LSU got away with PI on Julio in the 1st quarter when he was running free for a TD pass but got "incidentaly contacted"/tripped at the feet by a complete beaten defender?
This shit pisses me off, if anyone got fucked by the refs over the last three years it has been us, yet we're still 2-1 in the series and never bitched and moaned like LSU fans and now it appears a shit load of national writers.
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One call never makes a game ...
I live in Louisiana and that is all everyone is saying. Refs gave it to us, Tide-Gators conspiracy, refs favor Bama. No one wants to discuss they had 9 total yards in the 4th quarter. They do not talk about how after the field goal to pull us within 2 points that we stopped their sorry a*^%s and scored a touchdown following to go up for good.
These idiots also think that the interception,if overturned, somehow was equal to a touchdown.
For whatever its worth, I thought it was a interception. Mac throw that ball out of bounds!
But the play was called incomplete on the field and there was no clear angle if his left foot was on the line or not. At least that is how I saw the play.
by TidePride92 on Nov 8, 2009 10:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is just how LSU fans are.
I grew up in Louisiana, my husband’s family are LSU fans and I’m sure at Christmas I will hear how we are cheaters and they were robbed. I will say nothing (almost). LSU fans are getting as irrational as UT and Auburn fans! It’s scary!
by TexasTideGirl on Nov 8, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was sitting next to an extremely whiny LSU fan...
He was already complaining that they were being cheated after the first penalty called on LSU (illegal formation – hard to fake that as a referee), and he never stopped. Even when LSU had a big play, he would sarcastically say, “Where’s the holding call?” I think it was just a way for LSU fans to make preemptive excuses for losing to Alabama again. Anyway, LSU fans should not complain about officiating. If it weren’t for extremely crappy officiating, they would’ve been a 2-loss team heading into our game with little chance at an SEC title shot.
by crimsontsunami on Nov 8, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I’d been the reply official, I’d probably have given Peterson the INT. That said, I’m not sure it was so obviously the wrong call.
I think we can all agree that he got his first foot down in bounds, but remember that his first foot touched the ground only a few frames after the ball hit his hands and well before he tucked it into his body.
In order to overturn the call on the field, the replay official needed irrefutable video evidence that a catch was made. This means irrefutable video evidence that Peterson had possession of the ball and irrefutable video evidence that his foot was in bounds.
Peterson took two steps with the ball before he was very obviously O.B. On the first, he likely got his foot down but possession was questionable. On the second one, possession was a sure thing but whether or not he stepped on the line was questionable.
It’s a judgment call.
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by PeteHoliday on Nov 8, 2009 10:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You nailed it
On the second one, possession was a sure thing but whether or not he stepped on the line was questionable.
That’s exactly it. When he had a definite foot in bounds, possession was questionable (and happening at game speed, it’s understandable). When he unquestionably had possession, he was out of bounds. I would guess the official, reviewing the initial call of incomplete on the field, thought exactly as you explained above.
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by Bamagrad on Nov 8, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely.
It’s all about the ruling on the field in this case. Had it been ruled an INT on the field, then that call would have been upheld after the replay.
By the way, if you want to get a real itiot’s take on it then head here:
by TiderInTN on Nov 8, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I should've stopped reading after this...
TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — Daniel Moore, grab your brush. You’ve spent a lifetime committing to canvas some of the greatest moments in Alabama football history. Your work hangs in some of the state’s finest gallerias.
Besides the typo in the opening line of a story from a major news outlet, the opening line is pretty insulting to the people of the state in general.
by Nico2.0 on Nov 8, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dennis Dodd
….is the worst sports columnist in the history of horrible sports columnists. I would read a million Kevin Scarbinsky columns before I would read one Dennis Dodd.
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by Todd on Nov 8, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know,
Because last year the refs threw all the picks and this year the refs outgained the Whos 2-1, and shut down the Tigers for the second half.
Close close call. I honestly don’t know, but that’s why it has to be indisputable Hell. By that metric, Santa Claus doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt, much less a razor thin call that could go either way.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 8, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
if i were the replay official i woulda let the call stand, whichever it was.
there just didn’t appear to be anything close to a definitive angle which confirmed his toes/heel weren’t also out of bounds . i mean, yes, we all see the divot created by part of his foot, but nothing shows whether his heels were OVER THE LINE!, and since it was ruled incomplete, you have to MARK IT ZERO!
and also like Zoltar pointed out in his Fanpost, we got seriously fucked on that punt where they spotte dht eball on the 2 inch line, the ball was CLEARLY SWATTED AT THE 3 YARD LINE BY AN LSU PLAYER… of course this oversight by the refs must have some sinister tie in to the BAMA vs Fla conspiracy.
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by tempebamafan on Nov 8, 2009 10:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but I don’t think losing 2.5 yards is equivalent to losing possession of the ball.
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by PeteHoliday on Nov 8, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when it puts the ball INCHES away from the goal line, it’s about the same considering it ultimately lead to 8 points for LSU (saftey + TD). We had to burn a play doing a QB sneak just to get some breathing room, setting up a 2nd and 9. If we start at the 3 we would have had a much better chance of moving the ball and getting a first down.
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by Zoltar on Nov 8, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when it causes a saftey, that directly causes a change of possession, along with 2 bonus points.
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by tempebamafan on Nov 8, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There were three plays between the punt and the safety. One of which got the ball to around the 3 yard line (where the ball was originally supposed to be) the second would have been a completed pass to around the 8 had Julio not dropped it. The final being GMac committing a penalty in the end zone.
In other words: what caused the safety was our poor play, not the punt. (And the following TD . . . c’mon . . . the defense had how many chances to stop that?)
Whining about 2 yards on a punt return is a hell of a lot worse than whining about an INT that would’ve given LSU the ball back down by < 1 score with 6 minutes left rather than down 2 scores with 3 minutes left.
Frankly, I think it’s all stupid, but I think anyone who equates < 3 yards on the spot of a downed put to a missed INT call loses a hell of a lot of credibility.
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by PeteHoliday on Nov 8, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone...
…whining about any of these calls loses credibility….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 8, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not whining, countering their bullshit sobs with FACTS.
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by tempebamafan on Nov 9, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh...
…they lost, they got pounded, injured, abused, beaten, destroyed, humiliated…I just can’t get too interested in their petty tears and excuses….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 9, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
now we can set our sights on MSU and beat them, get tuned up in the 2 weeks off, then unload on Fla.
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by tempebamafan on Nov 9, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget...
they also got annihilated. We must never forget to mention annihilation amongst damaging verbs.
by crimsontsunami on Nov 9, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the spot changed the play calling. With the extra room and all 3 downs, I’m pretty certain that we don’t get a safety. Sure, you can’t say that for certain, but it’s the same as an interception in that you can’t be sure that the interception would have helped LSU.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Nov 8, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, it's a good thing i didn't equate the two then isn't it pete?
one was a clearly blown call (the one giving us the ball inside the 1) and the other was the correct call given the circumstances on the field (it was ruled incomplete, no replays that supported over turning it could be produced).
and since the blown call did pretty much lead to 2 points and a change in possession, that is worth mentioning in the context of “perceived blown calls and their potential effect on the outcome of the game.” as again, this was clearly a blown call with no grey area.
furthermore you’re giving LSU too much credit by saying the INT “would’ve given LSU the ball back” because you’re presupposing the refs are going to make the wrong call in order to give LSU the ball. that is a much higher burden of “screw a tude” ; saying LSU should expect for the refs to make bad calls in their favor consistently, and for them to not do so grants them the right to complain about it. whereas Bama can only hope to have correct calls made, regardless of which team benefits from said call.
i think you just like arguing too much. reece davis just said; “when you have the law you argue the law, when you have the facts you argue the facts, and when you have neither you just argue.”
but it’s okay pete, i still like you
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by tempebamafan on Nov 9, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and since the blown call did pretty much lead to 2 points and a change in possession
Saying so doesn’t make it true. What led to two points and a change of possession was our shitty offensive play and nothing else. We had a chance to have the ball 3rd and 2 at the 8ish yard line and chose, instead, to drop the ball and force ourselves into a passing situation that we didn’t properly block for. That is what led to the safety. Consider, too, that GMac was far deeper in the endzone than 2.5 yards. With the way we failed to execute, I have absolutely no reason to believe that we wouldn’t have given up the safety from the 1 the 2 the 3 or, hell, the 5.
furthermore you’re giving LSU too much credit by saying the INT "would’ve given LSU the ball back"
Actually, that’s precisely what an INT does — it gives the ball to the team that catches it. I’m not sure what point you’re even trying to make, but if the ball is intercepted, the defense gets it. It’s not a matter of giving credit to LSU or anyone else, it’s a matter of simple rules of football.
What did Reece Davis say about a guy who has to make the argument about the other person instead of trying to defend his own position?
My point is, and has been, that you can’t call out LSU for their griping about a very legit questionable call and then, in the same post, bitch about a 2-yard difference in the spot of a punt that you think might have been touched by an LSU coverage guy but couldn’t really tell because you didn’t actually see anyone touch the ball. That’s just silly.
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by PeteHoliday on Nov 9, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Actually, that’s precisely what an INT does"
and what does an incomplete pass do? loss of down right? good thing they got that one right then.
my point, if you’ll refer to the top of the post, is that LSU’s biggest “grievance” was actually the correct call, furthermore if any team has had blown calls go against them more than the other, i argue that it was us over the last 3 years. finally, none of that shit matters, because the “SCOREBOARD CORNDOGS” is what counts. also i wanted to link to staples and dodd’s articles because those guys are dipshits and yesterday morning, i felt like talking shit to them, so i sent them emails to em talking shit about their piss poor articles then i posted them here hoping others would do the same.
now i’m pretty much over it and could care less what the lsu fans or writers are saying, i still think we got fucked over by the refs in 04, 05, 07, and 08. and that that this game was a toss up with no side having a legit beef (leaning towards bama getting hosed more though.). i wish we’d of scored more in the first half, maybe gone for it on any of the three 4th and shorts we had on the LSU side of the field. (instead we punted for a net of 31, 20, and 32 yards)
but mostly, i’m glad we have 3 cupcakes lined up before the florida game. MSU could present some problems, but ultimately i think we smoke them. then we get to feats on two DI-AA defenses in a row and, hopefully, really get into a groove.
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by tempebamafan on Nov 9, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes, if you start from the assumption that you are right and the other person is wrong, it’s amazing how easy the logic is to get to a desirable conclusion.
I have yet to see an angle on the punt that shows an LSU player touching the football.
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by PeteHoliday on Nov 9, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
drop the ball and force ourselves into a passing situation that we didn’t properly block for. That is what led to the safety.
Because there can only be one reason for something happening?
Consider, too, that GMac was far deeper in the endzone than 2.5 yards. With the way we failed to execute, I have absolutely no reason to believe that we wouldn’t have given up the safety from the 1 the 2 the 3 or, hell, the 5.
You’re basing this on the idea that everything would have transpired the exact same, just a little bit further down the field. That is a faulty assumption. As I said earlier, having the ball on the 3 would change the play calling significantly.
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by Zoltar on Nov 9, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"having the ball on the 3 would change the play calling significantly"
indeed it would have. i’d bet we woulda run a power and gained 3 or 5 yards with ingram if we started on the 3. then we’re looking at 2nd an 7 or 5 from the 6 or 8. but we’ll never know what could have happened because the wrong call was made (not a judgment call that ultimately was correct).
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by tempebamafan on Nov 9, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re basing this on the idea that everything would have transpired the exact same
No. Not even close.
What would’ve happened is irrelevant because we have no idea what would’ve happened. Play-calling would’ve changed, you say. Sure. But that doesn’t really tell us anything. So maybe we come out in the shotgun and hand the ball to Ingram who gets dropped in the end-zone by a well-timed run blitz. Now what? There’s no way to predict what might have happened.
Because there can only be one reason for something happening?
Everything that happens has an infinite number of “causes” stretching back into the dawn of time. But for the birth of the inventor of football, this play would never have happened, so his parents are to blame for the bad call!
That’s silly. The most proximate cause to the safety was our shitty offensive play on that series. It wasn’t play calling that got that safety, it was pure execution, as evidenced by the fact that we screwed up two plays of the three we ran, both of which involved open receivers not catching the ball or not getting the ball.
The point is that we had plenty of opportunities to completely negate the 2.5 yard mistake (if it even was one — I still haven’t seen any video proof that they touched the ball) but we failed to take advantage.
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by PeteHoliday on Nov 9, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No. Not even close.
What would’ve happened is irrelevant because we have no idea what would’ve happened. Play-calling would’ve changed, you say. Sure. But that doesn’t really tell us anything. So maybe we come out in the shotgun and hand the ball to Ingram who gets dropped in the end-zone by a well-timed run blitz. Now what? There’s no way to predict what might have happened.
I’m sorry, but you can’t play the “what would’ve happend is irrelevant” card here. You were trying to compare the yardage lost by the spot to how deep McElory was in the endzone on the safety. So you’ve already entered into a “what if” scenario— one which I was pointing out has serious flaws.
I didn’t say that the spot was the primary cause of the safety, but it was up there IMO. Sure, that’s a weak argument. But the same thing can be said of the LSU bitching, and we’re only making an issue of the spot to show that these things go both ways.
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-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Nov 9, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry, but you can’t play the "what would’ve happend is irrelevant" card here.
Can so, because it’s true. Unless you can predict what would’ve happened with any sort of certainty, in which case you really need to quit wasting time around here and go make a billion dollars in Vegas.
There’s just no way that field position is equal to possession when you’re talking about 3 yards, no matter where those 3 yards are and in order to make them equivalent to give any sort of merit to a “see, we got screwed too!” argument, you have to presume that the INT wouldn’t have netted LSU a chance to come back or that the correct call on the punt would’ve prevented the safety (and probably ensuing touchdown) . . . you can’t really do either of those, so my over-all opinion remains:
Yes, the refs made a judgment call that could’ve gone the other way — but that didn’t lose the game, regardless of what happened to us, and if the call was wrong I don’t care where we got screwed other places in the game, I want all of the calls to be right in every game. Playing “our screw job was worse” is boring and stupid.
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by PeteHoliday on Nov 9, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares what they say?
I Love it when we get no respect and our players play better then. We played our worst while #1 and have steadily improved as we have been falling in the popularity charts. Since we have a play-off game in the SEC, that’s all the polls really are to us.
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by adeleswims on Nov 8, 2009 10:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Complaining about the calls
Is ultimately a waste of time. Over the long haul, it evens out: everyone gets some lucky ones go their way, and some go against you. Alabama has lost out on the close ones recently – think Julio and no PI vs Tennessee – and now Alabama has had a close one go their way.
by Go Hide in the V-berth on Nov 8, 2009 11:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is correct
When I played and now when I coach, I look at calls involving the team I played or coach for as history as soon as they’re made. If we don’t get the call, we didn’t get it.
I look at it like, “No interception? Fine, forget about it and make something happen the next play.” Don’t point fingers, make another play. We get and have gotten some questionable calls (especially against LSU) but it’s like, so what? The call didn’t go the way it should have or could have gone.
Tebow didn’t get called for intentional grounding in the SEC championship. Dont’a got called for a facemask. Andre Smith got called for holding the 2008 LSU game. Earl Alexander was charged with a fumble while reaching the ball over the white line. There are some pretty questionable calls in many of our games and whether they went for us or against us, they’re history. We didn’t get those calls but we cannot blame the outcome of those games on those calls. We didn’t beat our opponent. If we did win the game, we didn’t beat them well enough. This is like a defensive lineman blaming a defensive back on a long touchdown pass, or vice versa.
The DL should have sacked the damn quarterback or forced an incomplete pass. Earl Alexander should have gotten more of his body over the white line. Patrick Peterson should have done a better job than he did. Dont’a should have tackled Demps without touching his facemask.
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by Bamagrad on Nov 8, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In the 1965 Orange Bowl...
Joe Namath led a comeback against Texas from 21-7 down at the half. We got to 21-17, and we had the ball, 4th and goal at the 1. Namath ran it in, had endzone chalk on his jersey, but the officials didn’t call it a touchdown. We lost. What did Coach Bryant say about the officiating? Nothing. Instead he said, “When you’re that close, you should score where there’s no doubt about it.” That’s how football works. The refs don’t matter, screwups don’t matter, what-ifs don’t matter. All that matters is: did you win?
by crimsontsunami on Nov 8, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly- Bamagrad is right.
And, I hope when calls go against Bama we move on because as Saban says “It was it is”
But to say there is a conspiracy is crazy. Do you realize how many people would need to be involved, how many people could go to jail if caught, and how one person could turn states evidence, get immunity, and make a bundle on a book deal. There is just no way the refs could pull this off and keep it hush-hush.
And Namath was in but Bryant was right you just leave no doubt.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
by 5026 on Nov 8, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck the corndogs
I think the refs made a bad call about the int. But fuck it! Now we’re even for that bullshit no call pass interference in 2004.
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by Tusk on Nov 8, 2009 12:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
STILL grumpy about that one
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by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if the INT does equal 6, which it doesn't obviously
Especially with Lee at QB. And let’s go ahead and give them the 2 point conversion for the sake of argument, they still lose by one point. How the officials gave Bama anything is beyond me.
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by LifelongBammer on Nov 8, 2009 12:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The INT would’ve taken 3 points off the board that we went on to score, making it a 6 — not 9 — point game.
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by PeteHoliday on Nov 8, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Either way, it never should have happened.
2nd down and lsu is out of timeouts, and we call a pass? VERY risky and it almost bit us. Interception or not, the end result was an incomplete pass, stopping the clock, which brought up 3rd down with the same yardage needed for a first, and we end up HAVING to pass.
We make the first down and all’s well that ends well, but the fact that we even called a passing play when we (I thought ) were trying to run clock didn’t make sense. There were 2 bad things out of 3 things that could have happened, and they BOTH happened.
by yellowhammer on Nov 8, 2009 1:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with the pass call...
We wanted to catch them off guard and get the field goal. We figured LSU would be defending the run with eight in the box. However, they covered it well, and McElroy should’ve thrown it out of bounds.
by crimsontsunami on Nov 8, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't beleive there was enough video evidence to overturn the call, but
…the dirt made by the receivers foot if corraborated by the head field ref should have overturned the original call.
The video replays didn’t show good angles (to me).
But the photo that Staples posted, if accurate are indisputable. If that is the case, it is sad that the field refs didn’t reverse their original mistake. The replay officials didn’t have good enough angles to indisputably change the call.
by crimson37 on Nov 8, 2009 5:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that photo was a divit from his left foot, not his right foot.
So it’s completely irrelevant to the replay official’s decision.
by jsholt969 on Nov 8, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
…unless it was a catch when that foot hit the ground, which it well could have been if he had possession.
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by PeteHoliday on Nov 8, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IF he had possesion
can you produce an image that shows he had full possession before he put his right foot back down? because the right foot, in my mind, could not have possibly been only on the field of play and not also at least partially, out of bounds. and the magical point at which possession is achieved, will always be a judgment call. in this case the ref’s judgment deemed that it was not established until his feet were also out of bounds. produce a still photo that disproves that and i’ll concede the point. the replay officials made the right call to stick with the ruling on the field.
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by tempebamafan on Nov 9, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus, now who’s arguing just to argue?
First and foremost, you cannot ever produce a “still photo” (aside: is there another kind of photo?) that shows possession. Possession can only be determined by video because it requires continuity and continuity can’t be determined from a “still photo”.
because the right foot, in my mind, could not have possibly been only on the field of play and not also at least partially, out of bounds.
I’m not even sure what this sentence means except to be a convoluted way of saying “I think he was OB” to try to make it sound more definitive.
But, yes, thank you for reiterating the very same point that I made in the second comment on this post. I’m glad you agree that this was a difficult judgment call.
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by PeteHoliday on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
indeed it was a difficult judgement call. i think the point where we diverge in opinions is
where i say: because no one can/has produced video that confirms it WAS AN INT, we cannot over rule the initial call on the feild.
and you say: well it’s silly to ask anyone to produce PROOF that it actually WAS AN INT, and even though no supporting evidence can be produced, the call still should have been over turned. LSU was robbed of a possession, which is far worse than being robbed of 2.5 yards.
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by tempebamafan on Nov 9, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and you say: well it’s silly to ask anyone to produce PROOF that it actually WAS AN INT
I never said anything even remotely like that.
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by PeteHoliday on Nov 9, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say that...
…you two are acting like a couple of women, but I don’t want to offend the women….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 9, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shutup
jk
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by tempebamafan on Nov 11, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he caught it
in bounds. Barely. And I think we got away with one. but I don’t feel bad about it because as I said before on an earlier thread, I consider this payback for the no-call on an obvious pass interference penalty in the end zone at the end of the 2004 BAMA v. LSU game. I think it was Keith Brown who just got MUGGED in the endzone. I’ve never seen Mike Shula so mad. Also, we got screwed on our first or second drive when we couldn’t do a replay for an obvious catch one of our tight ends made that was called out of bounds.
It’s just the way it goes.
"A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation." - Mark Twain
by Stu from Tuscaloosa on Nov 8, 2009 8:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This thread...
…reminds me of the UT game. We just had a great win, but it seems that most people want to talk about some side issue, a non-issue, that distracts from the fact that we just had a great win. Do what you like, folks, but we just beat down what not long ago was the best in the West, best in the SEC, best in the USA…for the second consecutive year. And this time, it wasn’t that close. I’m gonna savor it. Roulez Tide Roulez.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Nov 8, 2009 10:26 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Haha
I am just glad there’s an expert analyst for the site in Pete. He knows more about football than anyone. If you don’t believe me ask him.
by Deimon Dave on Nov 8, 2009 10:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad that you registered for the site just to make this remarkably high-quality and informative comment.
Do you feel better now?
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Nov 9, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
even the lurkers know about you pete.
FWIW, you’re still alright by me.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Nov 9, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sensitive are we petey?
Can’t take a joke buddy. HAHA. Pete for sports blogger of the year! You got my vote.
by Deimon Dave on Nov 9, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, random internet trolling really gets under my skin.
I’m going to spend an extra few hours with the therapist this week because of it.
Maybe cry myself to sleep.
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Nov 9, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do we k now that divot is from that foot?
marycontrary
by adeleswims on Nov 8, 2009 11:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Was there a little tag with "exhibit A" on it?
Which is why my family issed the game. I had a trial for one of my favorite clients, with jury, set for Monday A.M. Figured I neded to get ultra-prepared. And now Ida has pre—empted and i coilda, shoulda, woulda been having some big fun in T-Town with that win!!! Who can I blame for that???
marycontrary
by adeleswims on Nov 8, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LSU holding ....
LSU was holding on the corners the whole first half which resulted in some of the big gains they were getting. Marcel Darius got grabbed by the facemask during a pass rush enough to turn his head and NO call. There were three camera angles on ‘the interception that wasn’t’. CBS never showed the one where the foot was touching the line but once. They just kept showing the other angles that were inconclusive and Danelson just kept running his pie trap about ti!
by ramabama on Nov 9, 2009 7:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The trip
when Julio tripped it seemed like they were both looking at the ball, therefore incidental
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Nov 9, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I
really just think this is a non-issue at this point. At first glance, I thought the guy cought it in bounds, but didn’t see enough to overturn the call on the field. It really could’ve gone either way given the rules of replay. Even if Peterson would’ve gotten the INT, there’s no way any sane person (LSU fan or not) could say that would’ve won the game for them. We dominated the fourth quarter and destroyed their souls. All your 4th quarters are belong to us.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Nov 9, 2009 2:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lsu has never lost a game...
they’ve only been screwed out of games. just ask them.
by gerry dorsey on Nov 9, 2009 6:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Spot after the running into the kicker penalty wasn't as bad as people were saying.
pre/post penalty shots of the marker:
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Nov 9, 2009 8:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Photo shows both feet in bounds on the pic.
It’s pretty clear, however I don’t think the replay official had this angle. Bad call on the field, questionable replay ruling. /shrug
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Nov 9, 2009 8:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
actually nevermind ‘cause the right foot was coming off the ground in the video. It’s when he replants the foot that there is doubt to whether it was in or out.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
by Zoltar on Nov 9, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bigger Grievance?
You are sitting here telling me that Alabama is 2-1 in the series correct? And you want to bitch about the refs the last 3 years? Aren’t you winning the series? Fucking Moron!
LSU was robbed out of that game because the opportunity to win the game was taken away by the officials. Not to mention there was NEVER a call made on the field. You can say all you want, guess what folks? EVEN THE ANNOUNCERS DIDNT KNOW WHAT THE CALL ON THE FIELD WAS! It went from two refs jawing on the sidelines, to, “the previous play is under review”…. NO ONE KNEW WHAT THE CALL WAS.. and if you say you did, you are a lying sack of shit. Then we go from that, to, “The ruling on the field stands, incomplete pass”. Good game guys. Nick Saban says “The interception doesn’t mean they win the game”. No, Nick you are right, it doesn’t. It’s only a huge momentum swing. Not to mention a 5 minute clock vs. a 2 minute clock… oh that’s right LSU didn’t have timeouts, so that would have made a difference too. Oh and they wouldn’t have had to rush down the field and struggle to make plays… they could have taken their time, run the rest of the time on the clock. Bama’s so good right guys? Then why don’t you stop bitching about this, give LSU the interception they deserve and then STOP THEM, with your #1 defense! Without using “hands to the face” to break through LSU offensive line, which by the way, you hadn’t done all day. It’s ok boys, take the moral victory. Your season will end just like it did last year… no national championship, and a bowl loss… rofl prolly to Utah again… LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLS!
Lets talk about J. Jones in the 1st quater, and how the LSU DB was so beat, YEAH J.JONES BEAT HIM SO BAD THE GUY WAS STILL CLOSE ENOUGH TO TRIP HIM! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA are you fucking serious? As an LSU fan even I thought it was PI, but after watching the replay and seeing both receiver and defensive back looking at the ball flying threw the air I knew it was incidental. If you think that it wasn’t, then you are a true Alabama fan… enough said.
Now you wanna dive back in time and bitch about your wins against LSU… LOLS… lets bitch about wins… because we are smart…. lols.. get a fucking grip.
Alabama should now be at least 1-0, due to a loss they would have received during the Tennessee game. But another “no call” happened to luck into Alabama’s lap. Good game.
Nick Saban… Karma is a mother fucker… we’ll see if you make it out of this season before it bites you in the ass.
by GEAUXTIGERSS on Nov 10, 2009 11:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
thats just it, i'm not bitching about the refs, i'm bitching about you little bitches and your constant bitching
it’s a small but crucial distinction that you’re not picking up on. Bama is the team who has been consistently fucked over by the refs for really the last several years going back to 04, but we never bitched and moaned like you corndog smelling losers. you guys immediately tried to play the “we got screwed because of the conspiracy” card instead of owning up to the loss like people with character would do. i was also bitching that there are national writers who suck so bad they are willing to give credence to this bullshit theory you limp dicked neutria eatin foreign language speakin coonasses have been goin on about. those writers are hacks and should be called out for doing such a shitty job, they are paid to know better. tigah fans on the other hand, you cant expect them to behave rationally, but i had at least hoped they could act like grown ups.
there was a no-call in the tennessee game? you talking about cody’s helmet? you know the call that shoulda been made would have resulted in the end of the game right? it was bama ball, no time left, that means since there’s no next down, no yards are marked off, the game is simply over. yeah too bad the refs didn’t bother to throw that flag so they could explain that; because cody picked up a flag after the game was over, the game would still be over.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Nov 11, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bigger Grievance?
Not sure what 1-0 means, but, as many great coaches have said, “Anyone who believes that one play cost you the game, or was a major factor in costing you the game, obviously doesn’t understand the game.” On the series before, LSU couldn’t move the ball on Bama, so 5 minutes and 1 score or 2 and 2 scores, who cares? You had 59 minutes and 54 seconds to do better, so 6 seconds NEVER determined the outcome directly, or indirectly.
by runninrebel88 on Nov 11, 2009 1:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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