Why Ingram should win the Doak (Outstanding RB) Award
ed.- bumped from the fanposts
Not that into individual awards, but if there is any justice in the awards, Ingram should easily win the award due to superior play against superior competition. Look at the finalists:
Toby Gerhart,Stanford - His counting stats are good, especially the TDs!
| ATTEMPTS | YARDS | TOUCHDOWNS |
| 311 | 1,736 | 26 |
Gerhart is not a receiving threat with 149 receiving yards, total of 1885 yards from scrimmage.
C.J. Spiller, Clemson - Not the stats Gerhart and Ingram put up, he did score a TD in every game.
| ATTEMPTS | YARDS | TOUCHDOWNS |
| 201 | 1,145 | 11 |
Mark Ingram, Alabama - You know him and his stats:
| ATTEMPTS | YARDS | TOUCHDOWNS |
| 249 | 1,542 | 15 |
Of course you throw in the 322 receiving yards for1864 yards from scrimmage.
I don't think there's any harm in ruling out Spiller here. I don't see him beating out Ingram or Gerhart. In total yards from scrimmage, Ingram and Gerhart are basically tied. So, looking at just the rushing,
YPC
Ingram: 6.2 YPC
Gerhart: 5.6 YPC
Edge is clearly to Ingram
TDs:
Ingram: 15
Gerhart: 26
Edge is to Gerhart, though I'd love to have the time to see how many TDs for both backs were short yardage (i.e. cheapies), which would have gone to other backs on Bama.
Competition:
Here the balance is extremely one sided. The toughest defense Gerhart faced was ranked #20 by FEI in Oregon. Overall he faced 4 teams with defenses between 20 and 30 in his season, rushing for 649 yards (162/game) on 122 carries (5.3 YPC).
Ingram, on the other hand, faced 6 defenses ranked in the top 20(!) during the year. During those games, he ran for 924 yards (154 YPG) on 146 carries (6.3 YPC).
Once again, the edge is fairly clearly on Ingram's side here.
Top games:
Top games for both players came against top defenses, with Gerhart running for 223 yards on 38(!) attempts (5.8 YPC) against #20 defense Oregon, while Ingram ran for 246 on 24 (10.25) against the #9 Defense SC. Ingram once again clearly had the best top game.
Worst game:
Here, Gerhart's worst game was quite a bit better than Ingram's worst one, where Gerhart had a game of 82 yards on 17 carries (4.8 YPC) against Wake (not a great defense in case you were wondering), while Ingram had the totally inexplicable Auburn game, running for only 30 yards on 16 attempts (1.9 YPC). Even though it was a tougher defense, you can't rule this one in anyone's favor but Gerhart's.
Overall:
While Gerhart has the more total rushing yards, when receiving yards are considered, Ingram ties him. Although Gerhart has more yards per game, Ingram has a much superior YPC. Gerhart has more TDs, but Ingram played against far superior competition. Overall, any close look at the numbers shows Ingram has been a better RB all year than Gerhart, or any other RB for that matter. Gerhart was run to death with a huge attempt count, but he did not as effectively as Ingram.
I think Gerhart might win tonight, based on first of all the fact that Ingram's worst game was the second to last of the season, and second of all because I sense a kind of anti-Bama sentiment in the air. Sort of a desire to recognize another team's accomplishments, since Alabama has the SEC Championship and a good shot at the NC. I'd much rather win the NC than Ingram win any award, but In think the overall picture is clear. Ingram is the superior back.
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good work, nice comparison...
one thing that I don’t understand is why aren’t they county Ingram’s receiving TD’s? When QB’s TD’s are mentioned, they throw in their rushing TD’s. I just haven’t seen Ingram, or any of the other back’s recieving TD’s get mentioned.
I think you
also have to consider that Gerhart wasn’t sharing the rock with another outstanding back (Trent Richardson). I know this isn’t a game of what-ifs but if Mark had been the sole ball carrier for the Tide as Gerhart was (practically) for the Cardinals, or if Saban had played him more in junk-yardage situations, his stats would be comparable if not much, much greater. IMO
"We intend to go out and hit people in the mouth. That's how we play. We're going to run the ball at you and we're going to stop you from running the ball. That's our personality, and we're going to have fun doing it." - Rolando McClain
I was just thinking this
Ingram gets all those numbers even with an excellent backup who we use fairly often. Just to be nitpicky (sorry), Stanford is the Cardinal. I know it doesn’t make any sense but there it is. (Personally I think they should make the Tree their official mascot)
by billycthulhu on Dec 10, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, the color, I see
"We intend to go out and hit people in the mouth. That's how we play. We're going to run the ball at you and we're going to stop you from running the ball. That's our personality, and we're going to have fun doing it." - Rolando McClain
Meh...
Kind of a bad consideration. You’re just assuming that Ingram would’ve been able to produce at the same level with the same number of touches. Though I’m not saying he wouldn’t, I don’t think it’s fair or honest to consider the “what if” in this scenario.
by Bama philosophe on Dec 10, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, like I said.
..“I know this isn’t a game of what-ifs but”
"We intend to go out and hit people in the mouth. That's how we play. We're going to run the ball at you and we're going to stop you from running the ball. That's our personality, and we're going to have fun doing it." - Rolando McClain
Yards After Contact
I beleive the lure for Gerhart is he is a big bruising type back that wears down defenses…with that being said, It would be interesting to see which back has more YAC. I beleive Ingram is just as bruising but since he has speed and quickness, it can be overlooked.
lol..
i just posted a “why he shouldn’t win the heisman” thread…funny shit.
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
Good post
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 10, 2009 4:37 PM CST reply actions
Thanks for the leg work good info! Maybe it clears some things up for the Ingram naysayers.
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So, this got me looking at the numbers
And the raw ones are sort of interesting:

That Adj-RET field or two for Spiller is an indication of how much better he was than everyone else; I subtracted the national average for punt returns (9.35 yards) and kick returns (21.84 yards) to get a fair assessment of his total YPT — CJ was/is an absolute beast on the returns, and I personally think that should factor into the decision — but I don’t think it does (though I could be wrong). The right totals for CJ are with the returns, the left ones are not.
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damn
i’m drafting spiller next year for my fantasy team. he’s a top 40 pick.
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by tempebamafan on Dec 11, 2009 1:54 AM CST up reply actions
When comparing Gerhart and Ingram…
Stanford had an off-week before their highest ranked (defensively) opponent, Oregon. While Oregon had just come off a game against USC. UCLA was Stanford’s only opponent to have an off-week before playing them (except of course the 1st game of the season).
Alabama had 4 games against teams whom enjoyed off-weeks (which translates into two-weeks of preparation) before playing (and this also doesn’t include the 1st game of the year). Alabama’s off-week was before the LSU game, but LSU’s opponent was Tulane.
Respecting where those yards gained came from should go further than the simple statistics say.
I admit that I have a bias towards Ingram. I also admit that Gerhart’s games against Oregon, USC and ND were outstanding. I believe that statistics only tell part of the story. And one can still be objective when considering the strength of scheduling aspect of an athlete’s accomplishments. To that end, I believe that Ingram has a better resume.
[this is a repeat of a post I made at TSK regarding a Heisman thread]
Watched
The awards last night and if they are any indication you might as well hand Colt McCoy the Heisman. BAMA was shut out and didnt win any awards that I saw. I dont know how the votes were tabulated but I hope the Heisman is done differently.

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