UT Faculty Object to Mack Brown's Salary
A resolution criticizing the $5 million pay package for University of Texas football coach Mack Brown as "unseemly and inappropriate" was approved in an unofficial vote at a Faculty Council meeting Monday.
The resolution floated by the Faculty Council's executive committee said it was wrong to make the $2 million sweetener permanent at a time when some lecturers, teaching assistants and staff members are facing job losses.
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If his salary was being paid from the same pool as the professors
it would be a big issues. As we have seen with Saban, the Athletic department, boosters, etc. al contribute to these salaries, and without these coaches winning and developing powerhouse programs the revenue streams for the athletic departments wouldn’t be nearly what they are now. How much of that revenue goes to provide scholarship for non-revenue (or non-profitable) sports? As one poster on that site pointed out, the effect of a tremendously successful athletic department reverberates throughout the university (and Texas has more than just football). I understand the frustrations from the rest of the faculty, but I seriously doubt any of the professors have to deal with the same pressure that the head football coach does.
If they want to blame someone, blame the culture of the state. People love college football, and Texas is just like Alabama – cashing in on it to provide a better college experience to all it’s students.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
Ditto and ditto...
Tell Dr. Schnitzel that he can all get paid based on the revenue that he and the debate team bring in directly due to ticket sales or indirectly due to merchandise sales. Most of those bastards walking the line don’t even realize that they are likely still employed as a direct result of UT’s money maker: FOOTBAW! And that money maker isn’t going to keep raking it in without a successful and competent CEO…
I understand it’s probably very frustrating, but all things need to be considered here.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
This is a BUSINESS
Revenues are huge when u are winning ball games. Mack has done this,in turn bringing piles of money back to the program.
Went into screen Tech yesterday and the Tide clothing was picked over so bad they had nothing that interested me. But the Auburn,Ga,Fl. St, and Troy stuff was full on every shelf. Same at Bama Fever/ Aub Pride in the mall.Point being, winning sells. Give CNS a raise( I Love You Man).
I would think that students would also want(prefer) to go to a winning school,hence bringing in more students keeps more teachers their jobs. These teachers are smart (I wud think) enuf to see this.
Maybe I’m just drinking too much Koolaid but thats the way I see it. If they went thru a few years of mediocrity , as we have, their tune might change.
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This is just politcal correctness.
Obama says he doesn’t like the “fat cat” bankers getting rich. So anyone making a lot of money is now a target. And on almost every campus the professors lean strongly left.
Eventually this kind of thinking will surface at Bama. But what these profs don’t realize is that without students they have no job. And in these tough times what is the incentive for students to come to a major campus rather than stay home at the community college? Well for some it is football or (at UK) basketball. So really a good coach helps the number of students which helps the faculty have kids to teach. But, they will cut their own throat for political correctness.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 15, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Seems more like jealousy than politics
Professors, as a group, tend to take a dim view of athletics and tend to have a very superior attitude about it. The fact that they consider themselves so much more important than the football coach but see themselves making such a markedly lower salary is what’s behind this, not some liberal mandate to hate rich people.
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by PeteHoliday on Dec 15, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
if they think that donations to the academic departments isn’t affected by the success of their highest profile sport, they’re crazy. and having dealt with these issues before as a journalist covering higher education, i’ll profess that’s not a completely off base assessment.
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i saw an interview with the professor that is heading this up
and the Texas AD, and the AD made the point that Brown was already being paid 5 mil, this isn’t an increase, but an extension, and the professor didn’t really have a coherent response to that
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Dec 15, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
it’s also worth noting that it was and unofficial vote since a quorum of the council was not present. i suspect that wasn’t an accident.
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I can't speak for...
…’professors, as a group," but the majority of my professors at Alabama were actually fans of Alabama football (and athletics in general). Certainly, there are a number of professors who take a dim view of athletics, but it seems counterproductive to stereotype professors just because an unknown quantity turn up their noses at sports. I know there are at least three professors who regularly visit RBR, so maybe they can shed more light on this theory than I can.
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 15, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
keep in mind...
there is a tradition at alabama of using athletics to enhance academics that goes back to president denny. he understood back in the 20s that a good football program could provide the school 1) a higher profile and 2) more money. not every school had the luxury of a leader so foresighted.
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I've had the same experience
I have a professor that I might label as “very liberal”, who has used Rolando McClain as an example of how you should always be thinking ahead and gathering in all the information available to do your job to the fullest.
by billycthulhu on Dec 15, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Even the professors I had that were fans of the football team lived a somewhat double-think kind of life, on the one hand cheering for the team, on the other being very, very jealous of the kind of money the athletic department gets to throw around while their departments had to cut costs and staffing during the budget crunch that started in the early 00s.
Being a fan and being jealous of the budget inequity are not mutually exclusive.
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by PeteHoliday on Dec 17, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
It's political.
Words like “unseemly” and “inappropriate” are used to let you know that no one should be making this kind of money while others are struggling etc.
If you followed these folks they would let the government set salaries to be “fair” and “equitable” etc.
They (the prof’s) probably also feel that it is “inappropriate” for Wall Street “fat cats” to make all their money or for people to profit in a recession, etc.
And, I’m sure some of them are Texas fans. They just feel paying someone this amount of money is wrong. They raise a stink about this issue because if a bunch of prof’s protested a banker getting 10 million- no one would care. But this gets headlines and advances their agenda.
Coaches at universities are totally different from about the faculty. They are about the only ones who get hired and fired based on performance. The rest are tenured.
It is sort of like the free market (coaches) vs. government controls (faculty.)
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
whoah there, McCarthy
that’s an awful lot of speculation and blanket statements
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
by Thomas Walker Esq on Dec 15, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
+1
I know professors don’t have millions of eyes on their performance, but it’s not like getting tenure is a walk in the park. In any case, professors have a pretty d@^$ important job. They may not bring in as much money to the school, but they make it possible for a lot of Alabamians/Texans to go out and get a good job.
I agree that Texas rakes in a lot of profit from football, so these complaints do seem misguided. But it’s hard to begrudge someone for feeling frustrated when they’re in danger of losing their job.
by billycthulhu on Dec 15, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
maybe...
but using the economic situation as an excuse to excoriate an individual who is actually blameless for the financial situation the institution is in smacks of hypocrisy and reeks of opportunism. the UT system school i got my degree from taught a more rigorous form of critical thinking.
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Well I absolutely agree that Mack Brown does not deserve blame
And he does, in fact, deserve the raise. I’m not trying to argue that this particular group of professors is right in doing this – just that 1) I can see why they’re upset, even though I think they’re wrong, and 2) “college professors” is not a homogeneous group of football hating, ultra-liberal socialists who want to take down anyone who’s rich.
by billycthulhu on Dec 15, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
That's funny...
…because, to me, it smacks of sympathy for the “lecturers, teaching assistants and staff members [who] are facing job losses” and reeks of hope for a world that values education as much as it does athletics. Of course, that’s just the opinion of one uber-obsessed Bama fan….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 15, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
while bryant's famous quip...
“it’s tough to rally around the math class,” is often cited with irony, like a lot of his sayings, there’s a strong truth behind it. alumni with deep pockets don’t keep a connection with their school alive with reports from the groundbreaking genome research. they watch the game on saturday. that’s a very real link that keeps the relationships alive and, in turn, the avenues of cash into places like the biology department.
using a straw man argument like this to simply draw attention to the budget cuts of the university not only jeopardize those revenue streams but also sabotage efforts to counter these cutbacks in more orthodox ways. it’s a fast way for folks to burn up what little goodwill they might have had with doubious logic.
bottom line, mack brown – like nick saban – is the CEO of a multi-million dollar business and needs to be paid accordingly. pretending a football program at a major BCS school is anything less is simply being stupid.
and when the research assistants are given similar responsibilities they should be rewarded in a similar financial manner.
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Exactly
What’s 5 mill when your football program turns in an $87 million profit annually? (that’s almost $20 million more than Ohio St in 2nd place)
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
by Thomas Walker Esq on Dec 15, 2009 5:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
New questions...
Are there no alumni with deep pockets who keep a connection with their school alive with reports from the groundbreaking genome research?
Is it possible that these faculty members feel that their cause is important enough that they should speak out regardless of possibility that they may jeopardize revenue streams?
Is there that little goodwill toward the teachers at Texas…or any university?
Do you think that I’m arguing that Mack Brown and/or Nick Saban shouldn’t be paid their respective salaries, or that I’m pretending that a football program at a major BCS school is less than what you described?
Do you think I’m arguing that research assistants should be rewarded in a similar financial manner to Mack Brown or Nick Saban? Do you think anyone is?
These questions are sincere, not sarcastic. You made several points here, some apparently in response to my comments, and others that I’m not sure exactly what they are in response to, so I’m just trying to get where you’re coming from here. Thanks.
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 15, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying
it is some grand conspiracy—-but I do contend the present political climate encourages this type of action. The rich, even if they earn it, are seens as villians in our society.
A merit raise to a guy all ready making a good salary (and who defines a good salary?) is seen as inappropriate. You can agree or disagree with it’s inappropriatenees but in this case sport is mimicing society.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
So it's not paranoia
If they really are out to get you, huh? Is that how I understand it?
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by Thomas Walker Esq on Dec 15, 2009 5:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's perfectly reasonable to wonder
why huge bonuses are being given out to executives who are responsible for their businesses tanking. I’m not at all against people getting rich or even getting huge bonuses when they’re already rich – I just don’t see why people who messed up their jobs deserve the extra money.
If anything, the current administration has continued to support most of these very wealthy companies and individuals. But we’re getting off track here. Because this is really about a bunch of teachers who are beset by budget cuts and layoffs, not about the Obama administration or government bailouts.
by billycthulhu on Dec 15, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
I just don’t see why people who messed up their jobs deserve the extra money.
I’m curious to know if you did any research into what the jobs were of the people who were to receive the controversial bonuses and whether or not they did them to the standard required by their employment contract.
Assuming that, because the business failed, none of its employees should have gotten promised bonuses is pretty silly.
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by PeteHoliday on Dec 17, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Missing the point
For many academics, the issue is not “jealousy,” or anything so trite; nor is the issue that they don’t like athletics, which is a red herring argument.
Many professors believe — and not unjustifiably — that whether or not Texas’s Athletics Department can afford it (which as the wealthiest, by a wide margin, it most certainly can), the issue is whether Texas’s doing so is a good idea independently of that. The truth of the matter is that the vast majority of FCS schools are getting hammered trying to keep up with the richest of the rich; in fact, a mere 6% of Athletics Departmens are running in the black these days.
The question is whether the current trajectory is sustainable, on the whole. At Texas it may be, but the professors aren’t crying that they don’t think Texas can keep it up. They’re complaining that our doing what we’re doing is not healthy and not sustainable for universities and university athletics on the whole.
Attacking scare crow arguments is easier than thinking hard about the actual problem they’re insisting demands consideration, but if you really want to address the issue, you have to think about this much more broadly and in its entire context. It’s complex and hard, and it’s not a sure thing that they’re right, but the concerns are absolutely valid and demand real thought.
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so you are saying people spend money they don't have, nor have the means to ever repay?
I knew spending at a Gatesian rate would catch up to me someday!! Curse you Bill Gates for having too much money!!! I can’t afford your lifestyle!!!
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by TheRedTideConsumes on Dec 15, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
No Peter, the current trajectory it is not sustainable...
Like every other bubble, this one too shall come to pass as expectations are finally trumped by economic realities. The money is a problem, and it’s not just with HC salaries, or with the boutique or prestige gigs: Bud Foster was able to parlay UGA flirtations to a cool mill at Va. Tech; look at Paul Petrino being floated half a mill to take an OC job with a spiraling program, etc.
However, I am hopeful that this arms race can be slowly decelerated…
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 15, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Good word: bubble
And for what it’s worth, the full analysis here should include looking at certain faculty salaries and the unsustainable increases in tuition over the last 20 years. It’s all a part of the same problem.
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Tuition has outpaced the ability to pay for education at many places (and certainly at most private institutions). Add to that the crippling six-figure debt that is undertaken by anyone getting an advanced or professional degree, and we are sliding back to where we collectively were 400 years ago: an elite class of the educated, and everyone else. The American institution education is fast dying, I fear.
And no discussion of salaries is complete without the big three: med schools, b-school, law school.
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 16, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions
well, pete...
that might be true. but if they are really “standing up for the little guy” here, attacking the successful program in the system is not only the wrong way to do it, they are only going to burn down any goodwill they may have had outside of their own circle.
i got a degree from a UT school up the road there that wasn’t running in the black and we came up with a very simple solution to the problem – we killed the football program. moreover, when that school was beset with a president determined to funnel cash into athletics at the expense of academics in order to raise the profile of the school – the faculty balked.
the problem in texas isn’t football and it isn’t the exaggerated profile of athletics, it’s a budgetary issue at the state level. while texas has done better than most places (say, california) during this economic downturn, it’s long taken it’s largesse for granted.
if these faculty are really standing up for the little schools in the system, they should be pointing to the example of UTA not bitching about one of the system’s success stories. if they really wanted to make a difference they would reach out to mack brown and ask him to help them make the case before the administration and the legislature.
because, i assure you, if the issue is as complex as you describe it he’s certainly the one man that could be considered an expert and the one person who folks would listen to if he voiced concerns about it.
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“trajectory” is a strawman. We’re not talking about a thrown ball, we’re talking about discrete decisions that can, at any time, be stopped, slowed, or reversed. One $2 million raise does not require another.
All that matters is whether TEXAS can afford to pay Mack Brown $5m and whether he’s worth that much to Texas.. Not whether it can afford to give him another $2m raise and not whether TCU can afford to pay its coach the same amount.
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by PeteHoliday on Dec 17, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
If you increase the salary of the Head Coach by 2-million dollars how does this effect the attitude...
and patience of your coach in waiting? Will Muschamp is prolly looking around and thinking how many years am I going to have to sit here and wait for my shot. Texas Football is thriving right now. With Brown getting a pay hike it doesn’t look like he leaving anytime soon. Will it take the demise of the program before I get my shot. If so, who wants to be on the hotseat from day one. That scenario could hurt my resume. (ie Gene Chizik). Muschamp’s in a bind IMO if he waits it out he could miss his coaching prime getting his shot only when the getting is so so. Plus 12/12/2012 is around the corner and I dont think we’ll be playing football after the Sun lobs solar flares and gamma rays all over the planet. That is unless the Rushians are putting a football field in that 400 square mile underground city they are building in preparation for Doomsday.
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The coach in waiting title is a risky and strange situation. In one sense it offers stability and in another sense you prolly wont get your shot untill the current HC is fired for lack of production. Thus putting you in a get it done or get gone scenario.
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