Is Hell Freezing Over?
by bammer on Dec 15, 2009 2:26 PM CST
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PrintIt looks like someone from the Big 10 has actually grown some balls. Nope...Its not the sweater vest boy or the "I left my home town and screwed everyone over for more money" guy either...Its Barry Alvarez of Wisconsin.
"We're irrelevant for the last three weeks of the football season because we're not playing," Alvarez said Friday.
First off, I say good for him. Secondly, its about damn time. I know a lot of people are against a playoff but in reality, at some point, a playoff is coming. So this is just one more piece of the puzzle. But Alvarez lets be honest. Your conference hasn't been relevant in a long time....not since OSU upset Miami like 8 years ago. So yeah, the Big 10 needs this.
I remember a RBR tweet from last week asking the question, "What would you call the Big 10 (11) if they do go to 12 teams?" For obvious reasons the Big 12 is out. How about the "Bigger 12"? The "Huge 12"? My personal favorite is the "Elite 12". Only because it combines the 12 team aspect with the Northern elitist mentality....so its perfect and we can make fun of them for it...
Anyways, hopefully Alvarez can make this happen cause if this domino falls, it will likely bring the Pac-10 and a playoff with it....like it or not.
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Outside of the NBC contract..
ND would greatly benefit from joining the Big Televen.
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
What are you talking about?
Notre Dame has no reason to join the Big Ten. Aside from the TV contract, which you mentioned, Notre Dame basically has a free pass into a BCS game as long as they go 10-2, and sometimes if they go 9-3. Plus, if they go 7-5 or 8-4, they’re basically guaranteed a Gator Bowl bid. Plus, the BCS cuts them a bribe check every year, whether or not they get to a BCS game. You can also look at 2006, when Notre Dame went to the Sugar Bowl with a 10-2 record and a no. 11 BCS ranking. Had they been in the Big Ten they would not have gotten to go to a BCS game because Ohio State went to the championship and Michigan was guaranteed a spot because they were in the top 4. I can’t think of a single argument for Notre Dame joining the Big Ten.
Its about the money. No NBC contract…very little money…need a conference…hello Big 10. With the contract, it doesn’t matter.
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
I'm with you bammer
The Fighting Rash AD has to get his balls out his purse if ND wants to ever be relevant each year. Playing them right now, it’s a lose lose sitchee-ashun. They’re always over-rated- what’s to like about ’em?
I enjoy the intense rivalry, their fans have a wit to match their delusion- so . . . .it’s fun in a “I-like-sharp-things-in-my-ear” kinda way.
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 15, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
"Outside of the NBC Contract"
This falls in the category of “Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?” The NBC contract is the whole shooting match for ND. As long as NBC is there, then ND has no reason to join a conference. Without the NBC contract, they would be forced to join a conference.
I don’t think the Big 10(1) would be a good fit for Notre Dame. The Big East would work better, because they could maintain their intersectional rivalry with USC and rotate another big name school through the schedule as well. Bigger 12 would fill up too much of their schedule with regional action.
But I don’t think it will happen, as there is still a loyal fan base that will sustain the NBC contract for some time, and the the contract goes through 2015.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/sports/ncaafootball/20sandomir.html
This falls in the category of "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
That cracked me up. And it’s quite true as well!
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
i hope ND stays independent
with their lips pressed to the teat of the NBC contract. because that’s all that’s allowing them to continue this charade of being the pre-eminent independent in college football. and that charade has what led them to where they are now. keeping their comfy tv deal and lack of real challenge in the schedule ensures they’ll stay on the slide to mediocrity indefinitely.
Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.
They had a decent schedule this year
That Washington Husky team? Man?!?!?!
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 16, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions
And, we'd miss
Tom Hammond
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 16, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
thanks a lot..
i just punched my computer screen.
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
that picture is incredibly creepy
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
by Thomas Walker Esq on Dec 16, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Tom Hammond is incredibly creepy
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 16, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps. . . .
. . . . stop smoking wih Tina?
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 17, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
[should have wrote]
Perhaps, Tom Hammond should stop smoking with Tina? As well as the whole Crest Spinbrush OR eatin’ an apple suggestions.
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 17, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
That's why they stopped at 11 ....
They have been holding a spot for Our Lady all this time. It should be obvious, and ND is about beat down enough to try it. After this new coach flops, they will be ready.
I was actually looking at this closely this afternoon.
First off, unless the BCS can blackmail Notre Dame by threatening to pull its BCS exemption, the Irish have no reason to join the Big T12N. The next obvious choice would be Pitt. I figure it would break down like this:
Big T12N North:
Minnesota
Iowa
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Michigan
Michigan State
Big T12N South:
Indiana
Purdue
Ohio State
Illinois
Penn State
Pittsburgh
They could adopt the SEC style schedule (as opposed to the Big 12 style schedule) to keep most of the natural rivalries intact (OH St.-Michigan, MI St.-PA St., and Illinois-Northwestern). I like the look of that, even if it doesn’t make the conference better.
im not sure anything
would make that conference better.
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
well it certainly couldn't make it worse
by billycthulhu on Dec 15, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
How about East-West Divs?
West
Minnie
Iowa
Wisconsin
NW
Ill
(ND)
East
Purdue
OSU
Ind
Mich
Sparty
PSU
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 16, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe,
but that East is completely overloaded. OSU, Michigan, AND PSU. Not to mention that the Spartans are usually pretty good too.
You would get Iowa
in the B11 game every year
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 16, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
shit...
put UM in the West and Ill in the West…
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
damnt! what is wrong with me today...
Ill in the EAST!
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
you mean
dammit?
corrected.
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 16, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
NBC
was purchased by Comcast and there has been a lot of talk about the future of that contract. Some say Comcast will move Notre Dame games to Versus.
http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/49756-comcast-buy-nbc.html
Auburn fans are like slinkys... not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
I have a hard time seeing that happen
Since ND is still a cash cow and Versus is not carried on the other major tv providers, particularly DirecTV
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
by Thomas Walker Esq on Dec 15, 2009 4:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Does it raise as much money as
the CBS contract signed by the SEC?
Auburn fans are like slinkys... not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
I don't know about money,
but NBC averaged a 2.4 rating for ND games this year. CBS averaged a 4.4 for SEC games.
Notre Dame on Versus would be awesome!
They can squeeze the Irish in between cycling and the San Diego St. v. UNLV game.
THAT would be hilarious....
If I have to go skulk about to a sports bar to watch the friggin’ Stanley Cup, then Domers should have to do likewise.
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 16, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
If all 6 major conferences
had a championship game you should be able to play a 4 team playoff after said games picking the highest ranked teams. Play the 1st games this weekend and championship as is.
Allow your TCU’s in if they are high enough. This year it would be Bama vs. TCU (in T-Town) and Texas vs. Cincy (in Austin.) Winners to Pasadena. No one would have a gripe after that.
But I am totally against a playoff, even a 4 team playoff.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
Let them take Vandy
and I’d rather have Clemson, they always seemed like an SEC school trapped in the ACC
"A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation." - Mark Twain
by Stu from Tuscaloosa on Dec 15, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Screw FSU and Clemson...
…I don’t want either of ‘em in the SEC. Plus, as charter members of the SEC, Kentucky and Vandy get to decide if and when they leave. My only beef with ’em is that they’re both in the SECEast, so they usually give UF, UGA, and UT easier schedules than the teams in the SECWest…but that isn’t their fault.
If we’re ditching anyone, I’d start with the last two to join. If we’re adding, I’d just as soon bring back Georgia Tech and Tulane…that way we can continue to beef up our recruiting in Atlanta and Louisiana…and I can get drunk in N.O. every other year….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 15, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
This ^^
Gimme Georgia Tech and Tulane.
I used to work the phones for “Talkin’ Sports” on CSS, with Danny Sheridan and Mike Gottfried. It was a call-in cable network sports show. There was briefly a female on-camera personality – who shall go nameless, I’m not a cruel man – but she really just didn’t cut it. Cute, but no Erin Andrews – and Jessica Simpson looks like Stephen Hawking next to this girl.
So, one week they’re offering up their predictions for the games the next weekend, and Vanderbilt at Alabama comes up. Both Danny and Mike perfunctorily pick Bama, but this girl has to offer her analysis of each pick. “Vanderbilt at Alabama. I’m going to take Alabama because they’re an SEC team!”
Dead silence descends upon the control room. “No she didn’t.” The look on Danny and Mike’s faces, however, said that she did. I think that was her last show.
With that said, I’m not sure that she had it wrong, really. No offense to the ‘Dores, but are they really SEC material? Maybe it’s time to take a step down to the … Sun Belt?… build up some mo’ down in the minors, and come back when they’ve got their ‘A’ game. At least Arkansas and South Carolina can hang. I’m just saying.
by rco3 on Dec 16, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
REC'D +1
Steven Hawking reference!
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 16, 2009 1:24 AM CST up reply actions
as a former Green Wave
I must say the addition of Tulane to the SEC is a truly terrible idea. They are C-USA for a reason. UAB plays better ball (both foot and basket, and no Todd, that’s not a compliment). Adding them would severely weaken the perceived “strength” of the SEC overall. The East has Vandy, we have a Mississippi school (pick one, they can’t both be good, that’s like dividing by zero).
"Yeah, it's Tennessee, that's the way it is sometimes." - Corey Zickefoose, Pulitzer Prize winner and robbery victim
by Thomas Walker Esq on Dec 16, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
I actually think
MSU, under mullen, will be a damn good football team soon…Ole Miss is obviously on the way down..but should stay decent under Nutt. So, Vandy and UK being in the East isn’t fair…
I actually say drop Arky…move Vandy to the West and add GT to the East.
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
At least the geography of the divisions would make more sense
Since Vandy’s already to the west of Auburn…. but maybe I’m just thinking too much about it. But then, what would happen to the UT-Vandy “rivalry”?
by billycthulhu on Dec 16, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
lets be honest..
its not much of a rivalry..
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
True
but I’m sure the Vols want some rival that they can actually beat
by billycthulhu on Dec 16, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
I guess...
…I’m the only one around who wants to weaken the strength of the SEC….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 16, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
doesn't Auburn already do that?
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
I guess so
I’m all for getting the edge on recruiting, but I’d hate to be in a conference like the Big East where you can go undefeated and not make it to the NCG. Not that even a mildly weakened SEC would be like that, but hey.
by billycthulhu on Dec 16, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
YEAH IT DID!! LOL!! LOSERS!
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
by bammer on Dec 16, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Charmin Conference.
Because they are are soft and gentle and take everyones crap.
I smell (pun???) an official sponsor!
"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy
by SugarBowl93 on Dec 16, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
even better..
you
smella pun…and we’re talking about crap…tee he he
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
formatting fail!
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
Some possible names in case they expand to 12:
The Blivit Conference (12 teams in a 10-team conference)
The Really Big Ten
The Really Really Big Ten
The Abnormally Large Ten
An Even Dozen
The Big 8 (hey, why not? )
Just As Many As The SEC
The Duodecimal Ten (this one made me laugh like a mofo)
The Frozen Dozen
The Big 10.2
D12
The Big Ten Plus Two
The Brady Bunch (hey, they’re not all winners)
I bet I have some more when I wake up in the morning.
If they add two teams, they could be:
The Big Baker’s Dozen
The Lucky 13
I'm too slow to the show...
Crap…you beat me to my first thought, mulletover.
The Watered Down 10 came to mind, but then it would be the WD-10 and folks would think it’s a de-ruster instead of an athletic conference.
So…how about telling it like it is for a change: The Little 12.
Probably, they’d go with the least imaginative imaginable, like Big 10 (12).
by MesquiteHorn on Dec 19, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
How about the
Rust Belt Conference
League of Extraordinary Unemployment
"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 16, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
yes! yes! yes!
League of Extraordinary Unemployment…
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
They will have twelve teams, so using Big 10 math
they will call themselves the Big 13.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Dec 16, 2009 12:42 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Geek alert! Geek alert!
You ‘added’, I saw it! Nerd!
(you know I’m just jivin’ BRO 7! I’m rec-kin’ your comment. That’s just funny as all get out!)
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 16, 2009 1:27 AM CST up reply actions
The Big Mess.....
is what they should be called. Oregon will kick the $hite out of Ohio St. and further diminish their “flagship program”. Michigan will suffer through another humiliating year under (thank you for not taking the Bama job) Rodriguez, and the rest will continue to be for all intents and purposes, “Not Ohio St. or Michigan”
How about Navy to the Big 10?
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
How about Cincy?
And call it the Snowbelt Conference.
Or Retirement Home Conf.
or Big and Slow Conference
how about The Pasty White Guys Conference
just some thoughts!
I don't mind bad news, and I don't mind good news, but I can't stand surprises! Coach Nick Saban
The SAC...
…Slow Ass Conference…
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 16, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
No. Fucking. Way!
I’m rec-king a ton of stuff lately. These are some sweet ass-threads:
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 16, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
I can't tell...
…who they based ‘Ms. Jane Fronda’ on, but Frankie is based on me….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 16, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Nah-ahhhhhhh!
4-reelz?
I’m not anyone of these straight-talkin’ playaz, but I will tell you that I’m kinda partial to Sister Zola’s get-up! I’d pimp the shit outta dat! Has seXXXy written all over it! (or are those just stars & crescents?)
Same difference!
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 16, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
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