Dr. Saturday article re: Tebow myth

by Zoltar on Dec 7, 2009 12:10 PM CST

I won't deny that I had some personal satisfaction in seeing Tebow go down in flames Saturday. But that's not why I'm posting this. It's simply an excellent article, and it makes me so proud of our defense that they stood up to Tebow and prevented him from cementing his place in the halls of college football lore on their backs.

Tebow myth can't survive first dose of very real failure.

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How about this.

Tim Tebow is not the greatest football player of all time, or the most winning, or the most decorated, or the most inspirational, or the most well liked, but he is the most googled football player of all time.

That counts for something in our world.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Dec 7, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions

Is there a more decorated player?

Two NCs, a Heisman, one (probably two) seasons as a heisman finalist, two maxwell’s, etc, etc, etc.

He might not be the best or most winning, but I’d be very interested to know if there’s a player that can match his level of award recognition.

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Dec 7, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions

he was a starting player on 1 national championship team.

he contributed to a second, but giving him full credit for quarterbacking his way to 2 isn’t right IMO.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Dec 7, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah

There’s something to be said (or not said, as the case may be) that Tebow wasn’t all that influential on that first national title. He certainly played a part, but not as big a one as Chris Leak did.

by Bobby Briggs on Dec 7, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions

How do you propose we determine how much of a national championship a player earned? How much of a title will Richardson have if we win in January? Half of one? A third? 1/16th? None at all?

He was on the team. He played. He has two national championships.

Still, regardless of what fractional part of a national title you think he gets, I’m still waiting to hear an answer to the actual question: what player is more decorated?

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Dec 7, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions

Dunno...

…but those decorations sure looked pretty falling all over the Georgia Dome carpet….

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 7, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions

agreed

by 2kTransAm on Dec 7, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions

Well

Maybe as a second to Bill Russell, I’d like to submit Robert Horry and his 7 NBA Championships as the greatest professional basketball player of all time then.

by Bobby Briggs on Dec 7, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions

You made me smile....

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Dec 7, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions

Someone needs to learn the difference between "greatest" and "most decorated"

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Dec 7, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions

He was

decorated by the media who loved him. But the proof is in the results.

Next year the media will look for a new “Tebow” and it will happen all over again. And, they will find another Tebow— probably on the west coast this time.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Dec 7, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions

I didn't know a title

Was a “decoration”, an award based on the whims of others. Its something you win on a field, not on a ballot. You brought up the two national championships as being “decorations”, so I thought the argument was valid.

Although, since College Football FBS National Championships are, in fact, awarded to some extent by pollsters and computers (at least in getting you in the championship game), maybe I’m wrong.

by Bobby Briggs on Dec 7, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions

How do you propose we determine how much of a national championship a player earned?

subjectively. If you got a ring, you won a championship and you have something to take pride in, but it’s different when you’re trying to compare players. In that case you should absolutely consider what role they played.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Dec 7, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions

Not a chance

QBs get credit for national championships when they were starters. Otherwise a comparison of most-decorated linemen would hinge largely on which ones were on a team that won titles. I’ll bet you could find a lineman who was a backup on at least three national championship teams, like at Nebraska or something, but no one would credit such a player for those national championships in a way a starting QB is credited. Sure, Tebow has a ring for both championships, but he doesn’t get standard QB credit for the Leak championship.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 7, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions

Don't hate me, Pete

’Cause I got nothing but love for you, but. . . .

Matt Leinart (let the floodgates open)

"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}

by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 7, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions

So he's the Tila Tequila of football?

by burntorangehorn on Dec 7, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions

if the point here is that tebow's legacy as a college player is tainted in some way

due to the loss on saturday, that’s simply absurd. i don’t care if you loved him or hated him, his ability as a player at this level of the game in undeniable. he will be rightly revered in gainsville from here on out and recognized historically as one of the greatest to play the college game.

in fact, the loss at the end of his spectacular career adds a tragic note to the story that makes it all that much more compelling. over time it will play to the mythbuilding more than another national championship/heisman could possibly have. and it dovetails nicely with his oft stated religious stance as well so don’t think that part of it is going away either.

bottom line, if you love the college game, you are damn lucky to have had the chance to witness this guy play. my dad, who went to georgia tech, still curses the name of joe namath but always admits in the same breath that joe willie was the most electrifying player he ever saw on a football field.

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by kleph on Dec 7, 2009 4:29 PM CST reply actions

is his legacy as a great college player tained? No. What this guy is saying is that his legacy as THE greatest player EVER ~~was destroyed~~ took a major hit .

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Dec 7, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions

but who was trying to bestow that title on him?

um… mainstream media slobberhounds who do things like start blogs simply to follow the frenzy around a single player over a single season.

tebow’s legacy is safe as houses. the butthurt of the nabobs who had to burn their BEST PLAYA EVAH!!! columns they wrote back in july doesn’t change that fact.

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by kleph on Dec 7, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions