…3 out of 10…them’s good odds, son….

… the Heisman generally goes to an overrated player who really isn’t all of that good in the first place. When I saw McCoy play against Nebraska, I thought he fit that mold perfectly.

Besides, he’s the star senior quarterback on an undefeated team playing in the national championship game, which oh by the way is also one of college football’s traditional powerhouses. Heisman voters lap that shit up.

Plus, honestly, Ingram is going to face some bias simply because he’s only a sophomore. Tebow is the only underclassmen in history to win the Heisman, and in the past freshman and sophomores — regardless of how well they have played — have clearly had their relative youth held against them once it came time to cast votes.

Don’t get me wrong, I certainly hope Ingram wins it, but I’m not really expecting it.

I will forever consider the Heisman a popularity vote and joke (not that I don’t already). I won’t complain if Ingram does not win it…but McCoy sure as hell shouldn’t. IMO he is not even the best QB in the land.

… and didn’t know what to make of it honestly. It’s nice to see Ingram leading there, but it’s hard to get overly excited with such an incredibly small sample size. There are 870 Heisman voters… that poll consists of a sample of 13 voters.

So, again, it’s hard to put much in a poll with that small of a sample size — especially when that sample may be totally random and thus not accurately reflective of the actual Heisman voter pool — particularly when there is such a small margin between the candidates.

… several of those things that I mentioned do apply to Ingram as well as McCoy. Again, though, my thought is that a combination of three things will narrowly give McCoy the edge:

(1) Tebow / Spiller will steal more votes away from Ingram than Sun / Gerhart will steal away from McCoy

(2) The Heisman is biased in favor of upperclassmen over underclassmen, giving an edge to the senior McCoy

(3) The Heisman is generally biased in favor of quarterbacks over tailbacks, again giving an edge to Mccoy

I do think the voting will be close, and I wouldn’t be shocked by any stretch if Ingram won it, but I do think those three factors will probably let McCoy win a close one. I do think that Ingram is the better candidate and that he logically should win the award, but I figured out long ago that the Heisman and logic mix about like oil and water.

is the amount of hype given by ESPN. In fact, they should probably change the official definition of the award to “the player receiving the most hype, deserved or undeserved, from ESPN and other major media outlets”. When I watched all the post game ESPN analysis and bowl show, it seemed Ingram was the pick of the overwhelming majority. Therefore, I believe Ingram will win it. And I just can’t see anyone voting Tebow ahead of Ingram after this week’s games. Maybe Spiller, but I can’t see Tebow getting many first place votes. So, I’m not sure Tebow / Spiller will steal more votes than Suh / Gerhart. I also think more voters will have McCoy outside the top 3 than will have Ingram that low.

The one thing that may give McCoy an advantage is if many turned in their ballots before this week’s games. Ingram would not fare well in that subset.

for as much as us fans like to talk shit about him, the kid has class and showed in his post game remarks. sally bradford on the other hand, she’s voting for mccoy because they are butt buddies.

If he wins, it just means that the qb trifecta is complete and because McCoy is a senior. It sure the hell isn’t based on talent and Jan. 7th will prove that.

No, if he wins it after that performance, it just proves that the Heisman is every bit as big of a joke as its detractors make it out to be.

When his (undefeated) team needed him the most, Ingram came through. That’s why he should win the Heisman. And if it goes to McCoy it is a fucking joke.

Again, I’ll reiterate, Ingram should win the Heisman. He is the most deserving player as a whole, and he has been the most invaluable for his team. He will go on to accomplish far more at the professional level than either McCoy or Tebow. Again, he should win it, and if he doesn’t the Heisman voters have absolutely dropped the ball.

With that said, however, the Heisman voters drop the ball damn near every year, and as a general rule of thumb the "award" is a joke. I hope Ingram wins it, but again the Heisman voters usually screw it up, and if history is any indicator they probably will again this year.

… we have never really gotten the amount of respect on the national level that our accomplishments would indicate that we would deserve, and that was true even back in the days of Wade, Thomas, and Bryant. That’s not just paranoia, that’s reality, and that is part of the reason why we’ve never had a Heisman winner.

We’ll see, though. And if it doesn’t change, oh well. You play to win the game, not get sucked off by the national media.

it would be one for the ages. But it will never happen.

Where did you get Stanford’s strength of schedule from? Sagarin has them 19th, one ahead of Alabama. The PAC-10 has been a really good conference this year, and every team plays 9 conference games so the strength of schedule is really high. Most of the statistical ratings have the PAC-10 as the best conference this year.

did a big piece on Suh several weeks ago. i had not heard of him until then but was certainly impressed after. partially because he has one of the coolest names EVAH

…knocked out C.J. Spiller with a thick Bible….

….he was reporting on objective evidence about the Heisman Trophy. At the time it was thought that McCoy would be the leader. There are some updates on this:

StiffArmTrophy.com

Heisman Pundit

It looks like it is going to be an extremely close race, and Ingram has a really good chance to win it.

…should finish second…behind Orlando McCain….