NCAA investigators appear to be building a case to show the University of Southern California has demonstrated a lack of institutional control and failure to monitor some aspects of its football and men’s basketball programs, multiple sources interviewed in the probe told Yahoo! Sports.
As per the latest reports from Yahoo! Sports, it's not looking too good for USC right now. As much as people love to talk about them supposedly getting away with everything, it is certainly looking more and more like they will probably face major sanctions in both football and men's basketball. I know many of you downright hate the Trojans, I personally have nothing against them, but with that said, I'm certainly not envious of their situation right now. I'd sure as hell much rather have Textbook-gate on my hands than this stuff.
And as a further point, I'd also make note that one of the top assistant coaches and the leading recruiter at USC at the time was none other than... drum roll please... Lane Kiffin. I'm not necessarily accusing him of any specific wrongdoing on his behalf, but if the program gets hit with LOIC, it's pretty hard to say he was completely ignorant (or should have been completely ignorant) about what was going on, and with all of the goings on in his tenure thus far at Tennessee, that personally makes this Alabama fan crack a bit of a smile.
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My UCLA Alum
wife just orgasmed.
MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--
BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.
Hahahaha....
… funniest shit I’ve read all day.
by outsidethesidelines on May 12, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey
at least you were there for it!
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
HA!
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
And it gets worse...
A former associate of NBA star O.J. Mayo says that Southern California basketball coach Tim Floyd paid a man who helped get Mayo to play for the Trojans, Yahoo! Sports reported on Tuesday.
Louis Johnson, the former associate of Mayo’s, told the Web site that Rodney Guillory told him that Floyd had given Guillory “a grand.” Johnson said he was able to view $100 bills inside an envelope Guillory had.
Now we have allegations of the men’s basketball head coach himself directly giving the star basketball player money. Again, I have nothing against the Trojans, but I’m afraid they are about to be staring down the proverbial barrel in their own right.
by outsidethesidelines on May 12, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions
Mayo
committed to USC without ever taking a visit. Hmmmmmm…. where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
fire...
you mean an atomic bomb!
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
He was toxic
To some people. Memphis and Kansas lost interest in him towards the end of his senior year.
What’s not to like about living in Los Angeles. (take away the gangs, drive-bys, carjackings, etc. . . it’s a wonderful place!)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Mayo was toxic...
… there is no real doubt about that one.
Of course, though, in all fairness, a lot of top college basketball recruits are considered toxic too, and Mayo was far from an isolated incident. Most elite basketball recruits these days come with inner circles, “advisors,” package deals, meddling AAU coaches and everything else you can imagine.
by outsidethesidelines on May 13, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Renardo Sidney, anyone?
Man, and can you believe Coach Floyd STILL WANTING that guy? He HAD to be openly (by AD officials and higher-ups in formal school meeting) GIVEN THE THUMBS DOWN. He wasn’t gonna back away from Sidney.
This guy!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
from what a freind of mine
who played major D-1 b-ball…BAsketball might just be one of the dirtiest leagues around…just think…how the hell did Kansas State pull MIchael Beasley…
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
There
was a USC fan who called in Cowherd today who said there also some stuff going around about Mayo getting tix to NBA games.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 13, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
They were Laker tickets from Jordan Farmar, I think?
As in the Jarrett case, Mayo had to pay back the value of the tix and got a slap on the wrists.
It’s messed up, but . . . . .what can you do? (Coach Floyd isn’t looking great these days. If ever?)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
didn't farmar
go to UCLA? what is doing hooking up mayo w/ anything other than prank calls or practical jokes?
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't know if you guys know this?
Farmar is the Stephon Marbury of LA street/gym ball. He was this before attending Ucla, during, and continues to be after.
He’ll play anywhere, anytime, with anyone.
He and Mayo were famous lads about the gym circuits.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
i'd tear all three of em up
i’m a lumbering dynamo on the courts baby. layup king.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
We used to play this game as kids. . . .
. . . so. . .imagine playing one-on-one AND “horse” with a buddy? The whole game, we could only score our “letters” (to spell out “Nate Thurmond”, sometimes playing quick games to “Nate”. . . .okay?) by slamming it off the backboard (going mad – BANK) . . .and if you made it (you are also allowed to loosely play defense on each other, sometimes. . .. .the other guy is busting out in a stitch of laughter. . .he can’t “go on” for a spell or two). . . .so if you made it saying “Hi! I’m Nate Thurmond!” – almost yelling it, and then you’d get. . . .you get your letter. First one to spell the name? Wins!
Is that what you’re talking about tempe? That kinda layup?
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
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Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
For those of you not "in the know"
Nate Thurmond played for the Golden State Warriors. He was a giant gentleman. He talked a lot of smack. He called it like he saw it back in his day. He was way before my time, really. But the big kids on the block (my brother and sisters included) would always be playing sports and stuff. We smaller kids overheard a lot of their stories and jokes to each other. We were in awe of some of the high-schoolers in our neighborhood. Some were all-Section or all-County or all-City/League/whatever.
My friends and I picked up on Nate and his legendary years at Oakland Coliseum through these kids and the parents. Everyone played sports in our neighborhood. Nate Thurmond wasn’t the most graceful player and countless times he clanked an easy layup or he’d throw up copious “bricks”. . . .it wasn’t even funny. He missed way more than he made. But. . .he was a bruiser. Kareem says Nate was the best defender he ever faced. Anyway, our game: It was such a new; original game that we smaller kids played- the older kids picked up on it and started playing their own games.
Our friend Isaac-Isaac (Ike Ike, for short) told us his dad called Nate Thurmond a “hoss”. So we called our game, “HOSS” (a variation of “horse” in honor of Nate).
True story.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Kareem must have said that...
…before Moses shut him down in 83…or was it eighty-fo?
by NiceLittleSaturday on May 13, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
The Backboard-Breaker!
Was he or Darryl Dawkins the 1st high-schooler to make it to the NBA? I forget.
Moses was a manchild. Bullets or Rockets? I forget again.
Awesome player. (I know your around my age, because anyone else would be saying, “Naw man, Bill Russell was Lew’s toughest defender”)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Moses...
…played for a few teams, and I do believe he was the first player to go straight from high school to the NBA.
In 1983, he played for the Philadelphia 76ers alongside Andrew Toney, Maurice Cheeks, and the all-time greatest, Julius Erving a.k.a. Dr. J, or simply, the Doctor.
Before the playoffs that year, at the close of the Sixers’ record-setting season, Moses was asked for his prediction for the Sixers in the postseason, to which he replied: “Fo, fo, fo.” Meaning: the Sixers would dispatch of each of their opponents in four straight. Actually, they lost one, but swept the “Showtime”-era Lakers, and it wasn’t even close. Good times.
by NiceLittleSaturday on May 14, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
4-4-4 dash 2-4-2-4!
Dat’s right: Fo, fo, fo, two, fo, two, fo! (2424=bich!)
Beotch! (that’s my friend Goyo casin’ our arse! don’t worry, his last name is Murphy. . . .so I call him: “Murro-f_ck-the-queer-bait”)
His response (I have to give him credit for this, it IS a good one): “Everybody’s queer bait, think about it? NOT ALL queers are legit! Most are switch-hitters. . . .so. . . .everybody’s on THEIR RADAR. Don’t be irrelevant Mowgli. It’s such an unattractive quality.”
(Mowgli? that’s my childhood nickname to them. can’t get rid of it. yes. from Jungle Book. i kinda look like that dude. and animals? they truly do follow me for some reason. and . . . .boy do I hate some birds. . . .word to yo- you know the rest).
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, Bix...
…how’s the peyote today?
by NiceLittleSaturday on May 14, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
". . .Will the peyote survive. . . "
Not on Ultimate Mad-Cow Thursday! (I’m busy, lost the first two games. I’m a glutton for punishment, playing on a “pick-me-up” third. my team bailed already. we didn’t have it. next week. this new team has FEMALES! and they’re . . . they’re. . .kinda yar!)
Roll Tide Roll!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
They were tickets to a Nuggets game because Mayo and Carmelo Anthony are friends. Melo gave him free tickets, and when the NCAA found out, Mayo was required to donate the value of the tickets to charity (which he did).
True
It’s Jordan Farmar and Nick Young who are good buddies. (glad I put in that , “I think” part)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
well you better
put on your reading glasses cause its right in front of you :)
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
it's not that i doubt the folks at Yahoo sports
(i believe every word of their stories on this subject) i just dont believe the NCAA has the desire/fortitude to follow through. the the allegations about reggie bush are true. then they shoudl have to forfeit all game she played in after receiveing those benefits as well as lose like 20 scholarships and get 2 years of probation. I dont see them going this far. when they caught either jarret or smith (on of the WR’s getting benefits from matt leinarts dad of all people) he wasn’t even ruled ineligible, he wasn’t suspended for a single game his senior year, much less ruled ineligible for the games he played while receiving the benefits. USC didn’t have to forfiet a game, or lose a scholarsghip, even though the AD knew about a player living in off campus housing he wasn’t paying for.
whats worse: players receiving a free supplimental book to go w/ their lit class? or a player living a million dollar apartment on wilshire blvd free of charge?
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's the lowdown on that:
That neighborhood seemed a world away last year when Dwayne Jarrett, who had lived with Leinart as a freshman, moved with him into a $3,866-a- month rooftop suite at a downtown luxury apartment building.
“It was great,” Dwayne Jarrett said of the gated complex that has a two pools, tennis courts, a fitness center and a secured parking garage filled mostly with late-model luxury cars.
The only problem was that Dwayne Jarrett paid $650 in rent, the same as Leinart, whose father covered the rest.
The arrangement, which came to light and was brought forth in a compliance review with player and school compliance official at USC- then corroborated with Matt Leinart and his father. School officials deemed it was a violation by Dwayne Jarrett of NCAA rules, which prohibit athletes from receiving benefits that aren’t available to other students and reported it to NCAA officials.
Dwayne Jarrett, who was required by the NCAA to pay $5,352 to charity, was reinstated in early August.
“It wasn’t like we weren’t paying rent. Then it would be a different story,” said Dwayne Jarrett, who lived by himself this season in a $1,000-a-month downtown apartment. "Me and Matt came to an agreement that we were going to pay a certain amount to his dad. We thought it was a good deal. (But) if we could do it all over again, we probably would have done it
differently.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
so he was caught.
it was ruled a benefit not available to normal students, and they let him off scott free….
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Sure.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I
would’ve given my right eye to go to some of those parties that took place in that apartment.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 13, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
You might have needed that right eye?
What better way to see the “hotness” over there. The lived in the Grand Towers, I’ve been there. It’s not the “poshest” of new developments, but having an Olympic sized pool with a ginormous jacuzzi that seats 25 with independent jets is kinda nice.
Especially at 3AM after karaoke in Koreatown (about 2 miles away) with a gangload of co-eds stipping down to their. . . . .invisible bras and panties.
It was immense!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
The pool and jacuzzi. . . .
. . . are on the 11th floor of a 21 story complex. They lived in the smaller of the towers, the towers connected on the 11th floor via the pool, deck/dining area/jacuzzi and separate bathroom/shower facilities. Those shower facilities had 150 lockers in them, 25 stalls and a grip of showers for independent/private hygiene purposes.
I almost bought into those 3-bedroom condos.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
invisible panties
is there any better kind?
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope they don't have to forfeit games...
I want Alabama to meet them in a national title game.
by crimsontsunami on May 12, 2009 10:36 PM CDT reply actions
this year
might be our only shot, as they could/should/might/probably wont be on probation after that.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 12, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
There’s enough talent and prestige in house to keep them afloat through a few years of probation as long as Carroll stays, and as we saw with the punishment for FSU’s academic scandal, the NCAA is extremely reluctant anymore to issue postseason bans.
As long as Carroll’s head doesn’t roll for this and Saban doesn’t leave T-Town (both of which are unlikely to happen in my estimation), next season won’t be your only shot.
Eh, maybe...
There is no doubt whatsoever that USC is absolutely loaded with talent at the moment, but it’s nothing that significant sanctions wouldn’t erase. They would be fine for a year, maybe two at most, but after that it would be very, very tough. The real talented guys would graduate / leave early, and the incoming talent wouldn’t be there. The sanctions will lower both the quantity and quality of players signed. And that’s to say nothing of the possibility of Carroll leaving.
And I agree with you that the NCAA has been a bit more lenient since they broke one off in our asses seven years ago. However, I think the FSU comparison isn’t a very good one. Nothing the ’Noles did can really even come close to competing with the allegations that have came out so far in this case.
The only case in recent history that could even come close to this is the Means saga, and frankly that probably isn’t as bad as this. That only involved one sport, we were not hit with lack of institutional control or failure to monitor, and that was the action of a rogue booster (to use the NCAA’s words). This case is far more damning. It involves multiple sports, they apparently will likely be hit with LOIC and FTM, and this case involves the payment of hundreds of thousands of dollars directly to existing players, with allegedly at least one case coming with the head coach directly giving cash to the star basketball player. Truth be told, this one, if true, is even worse than the Means case.
by outsidethesidelines on May 13, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Good point
Not to mention that everyone on the USC side of things has been as obstructionist as possible.
Do you know if there’s any precedent for sanctioning coaches who were involved in a scandal like this but moved on before punishment was meted out? Because then it’s not just Tennessee but also Washington with Sarkisian who could be in for something. I’m not that knowledgeable on the history of NCAA scandals, but I can’t recall one that took this long to resolve and where assistants went on to take head coaching jobs during the investigative process.
Dude
USC CAN’T compel either Reggie or OJ to provide testimony. Just saying.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I know
And what part of refusing to talk to the NCAA is not obstructing its investigation? Bush and Mayo come from the USC side of things (as opposed to the NCAA or Yahoo! Sports side of things), and they have done nothing to even assist the NCAA in coming to a not guilty verdict.
Would you?
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I
certainly wouldn’t unless I was forced.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
;-)
Aw-right.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Just one...
Do you know if there’s any precedent for sanctioning coaches who were involved in a scandal like this but moved on before punishment was meted out?
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Kelvin Sampson. After the OU scandal, he had gone to Indiana, and the NCAA sanctioned him there from recruiting off-campus or making phone calls to recruits for one year. There may be other examples, but that’s all I am aware of right now.
At any rate, I don’t think anything whatsoever will happen to Kiffin (maybe Floyd if the allegations are true, but that’s it). Moving forward, the real sticking point will be whether or not we see these actions somewhat replicated in Knoxville.
by outsidethesidelines on May 13, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Didn’t Neuheisel carry some sanctions with him when he left?
by PeteHoliday on May 13, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think so...
I don’t think he got anything overly serious, but it seems like I can remember him getting a short ban in off-campus recruiting or something along those lines.
by outsidethesidelines on May 13, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I
thought he got temporarily blackballed by the NCAA…?
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 13, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
He did
But to his credit (if that’s in any way possible?), he volunteered as assistant coach at a high school for a year or two and apparently won over the entire community. This is amazing, considering the fact that he was a pariah in the metropolis known as Seattle and the surrounding areas.
He then went on to Baltimore and got his name back. Somewhat. Errrr. . . .in Wastewood. (Westwood, the community housing the Ucla campus)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
well didn't
he just get in trouble for betting on NCAA basketball Tournament brackets? or was there something else related to his activities as FOOTBALL COACH? cause as i remember it, it seemed like a witch hunt w/o any basis in academic or institutional integrity…
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd suggest checking out UW Dawg Pound on SB Nation
John Berkowitz- the OTS of UW DP is as fair, balanced and intelligent as they come.
There was A LOT MORE. Lying to the AD about the 49-ers position. Lying about the amounts, quantity, and addictive patterns of gambling on Coach Neu’s part, real-estate hostage with the university, utter skulduggery with known associates and attorneys advising him on 3 rapes supposedly committed by his ?-star players that he tried sweeping under the rug. One of those players has since committed suicide. (worse than what that kid at TN is charged for committing. Way Way Worse)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right about Barbara Hedges
The UW Athletic Director at the time. (get this? I just found out this past week, SHE worked under Mike Garrett- the current USC AD, as an assistant AD before her UW gig. WTF?)
Man, USC is NOT looking good. Haven’t been for quite some time in the court of public opinion. Trust me, I know it’s warranted. And that’s hard to take.
On another note, hey tempe! This thread is looking smaller and smaller like yours and BRO7’s the other day. How small can this thing GET? ;-)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
i have PTO this week
so i’m game to see how small we can make er.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay
I’m gonna try helping out on my end.
How hot is Kim Kardashian? On a scale of 1 – 10. . . .I put her at a 4.
I’d get black eyes and broken hips with that girl. She has a schnoz bigger than mine. And, that’s not complimentary! I’ve got Italian blood in me. Think: Digital Underground Hoopty-dude.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
she's even got her own dance......
yeah my wife watches the reality show with them broads (they are not very interesting or worthwhile in any respect)… i’ve seen her in one other “reality” piece of media as well. she’s just alright, but her penchant for rappers takes her down several pegs. i’d put the “bus station turnstyle” aka paris hilton above her…
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
BS turnstile ????
I’m gonna have to use that tempe. If you don’t mind.
Made my morning.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
she had one surgically installed
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
And it "winked" at me one time!
No wonder?
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Tats, right?
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, someone left a window open....
but seriously…..
whats up with the folks at conquest cronicles? their headline for this story says “yahoo sports’ vendetta continues”… or something to that effect… sorry but this doesn’t seem like a vendetta at all. more like reporters doing their jobs, and USC not doing it’s job. and now CC is buttsore. So i joined CC to leave them a comment (woulda been polite) and they wont let me post for another 2 days…
losers.
buttsore losers.
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I know. . .
. . . .and Paragon’s post, well. . . .it’s not what I expected. He’s thorough and quite knowledgeable but. . .I might not even comment on his post. It’s an unusual take, I was hoping for more beef.
My 11:OO is here. I’ll be back after lunch.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
but at some point
i am going to have to play play ncaa 09 on my PS3… (notre damn is 10-0 and scheduled right after the auburn game… please dont screw it up ND. oh what joy crushing an 11-0 notre damn would bring me…)
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The Fighting Rash!
I hate ‘em! How’s Auburn looking on your game?
CRUSH THEM TOO! I hate even saying or writing A-u-. . . .f_ck it!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
they were 7-1 and ranked in the top 15
but dropped two in a row and are now unranked as we prepare to play the 2012 version of the iron bowl…. i need to get my PS# hooked up to the net so i can be on here and playing at the same time
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate. . . .
. . . .being sprung on PlayStation. Like I once was.
Although. . . . them were the days!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
2012?
Man I’m on 2026 season. Won 9 BCS NC’s in a row. Current win streak – 117. You need to ratchet down the life a bit there and get to work.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
well i've only had the PS3 for a few months
and i thought ya’ll would like to know; according to the NCAA 09 gods, Tony Franklin’s system is still goin strong in 2012. they opened with 5 wide on the first play against me. i have it paused, am gonna go w/ the “3-3 nickle, LB ram blitz” cause i can…
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
they ran a WR screen
got 13 yards.. i stopped em after that. forced a punt, drove to the 10, threw a pick. 0-0, 2:36 left in the 1st…
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
lets go D
potential for a safety here. or at least create a TO.
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
How'd that all turn out?
You have to be at least in 2018 now, right?
Go get ’em tempe!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
beat barn 42-21
then beat a 9-2 ND team 49 to 24… now it’s conference tournament week, and i’m going to have to be Southern Miss for a quick game, cause Houston is the only other undefeated team, and if Houston wins the C-USA CCG then they play me (assuming i beat Florida on the same weekend, which i will).. so if i beat houston as So Miss, then i’ll either play one loss USC, or one loss Miami (i gave miami their loss @ miami in week 2)… either way is better than playing houston for the BCSCG…
and recruiting is coming along nicely. needed G’s and C’s got 2 each in the top 10… the number 1, 3, and 7 WR’s… some promissing athletes (one of the “athletes” is listed as 6’6" 330 lbs… i hope to god he can play TE… it’ll be freakin sweet!)
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by tempebamafan on May 14, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
What? 6'6", 330 ???
Damn, that’s one helluva biscuit-eater! He better have good hands, you know he goin’ to TAG some LB and lock up lineman.
You gonna make this guy catch some? I KNOW you will!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Those are some serious points tempe
I gotta say!
And Southern Miss? Doc Saturday’s team! Aw-right.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
i have a tailback
with 94 speed and really high elusiveness/juke ratings. if he gets hit he’s goin down, but if he makes one person miss he’s gone…when i need a TD i just run right twice, then counter left. works 90% of the time… trouble is i like to pass for TD’s cause it’s more fun. so i dont score as often as i should…
that biscut eater… we’ll see. i mean why the hell is he listed as athlete? i could maybe use him at NT and finally switch my D over the one real true defense the 3-4. (i hate that about this game, i run the 3-4 and it totally f’s up my nickle packages and such… it also has no idea what a jack LB is…)
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by tempebamafan on May 14, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Is he REALLY?
An ATH?
That’s gotta be a typo? (just playin’)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Jack Lambert?
(you know I’m clownin’)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
especially
if i was guilty…
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
why?
by speaking to investigators you create a situation of guilt by association in the public’s eye – even if you tell them you did nothing and make a big press conference after. the smarter move is to simply ignore it and – if you are innocent – wait for the NCAA to accuse you and sue the bejesus out of them.
which isn’t to say i believe these guys are guilty or not, just to point out that not talking to the NCAA isn’t necessarily an admission of guilt.
Whether or not it's worse than the Means case. . . .
. . . .“death penalty” punishment by the NCAA usually happens when teams are already on probation, which USC is not.
Tying the Bush, OJ, and payment incidents (if proven true) will more than likely come to the NCAA handing out punishments for the basketball team to include: going on probation, forfeiting games, a ban from postseason play, loss of scholarships, and perpetual mocking from the world of sports. As far as the football program separately- it’s still too cloudy to make out, but it can possibly be brutal- especially lumping it in with “lack of institutional control” . Possibly ban from post-season play, loss of scholarships, loss of championship, loss of awards (both national and in-conference). The possibilities are varied, but it comes with a big “If”. (if Coach Carroll and Coach McNair knew of Bush’s relationship with New Era/Ornstein/Lake from the get-go. So far, that has been the major sticking point and as yet, has been incredibly hard for the NCAA to discern)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Well...
I don’t think the death penalty would ever legitimately be on the table, honestly. However, again, if the allegations turn out to be true, it’s going to be pretty dang bad. Like I said, I think it would probably be worse punishment than given with Means, though not as bad as the Miami / Pell Grant scandal.
On the other hand, though, it’s almost impossible to get worse sanctions than 31 scholarships lost, so I’m not sure that’s saying a whole lot.
by outsidethesidelines on May 13, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
_IF_ the NCAA takes away scholarships and imposes a 2 year bowl ban
you’ll likely see a lot fo that talent transfer to other schools, and they wont be nearly as loaded heading into their first year of post season eligibility….thats why i’m so skeptical the NCAA will do it. even though they’ve done worse to us for much much less serious offenses and from offenses created by people outside the AD… nevermind logic….
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I've had thoughts along those lines too...
It’s great to be on top no matter how you get there, but it’s really special when you take down the team that’s been on top for a while to get there. I’m so glad my Prattville Lions got to beat Hoover for the first state title of their current run, rather than making it the following year after Probst left and they had kind of a downturn.
I’ve also thought it was a shame that USC never played LSU at their peak a few years ago. That would have been a great ballgame.
yeah
LSU woulda kicked USC’s ass up until last year. now that they are out of Saban’s players, it’s our turn to do it.
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps more importantly...
…they’re out of Saban.
They do have a big hat to put one in, if they can find one.
by NiceLittleSaturday on May 13, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I read this info over at Conquest Chronicles and Yahoo! . . . .
. . . . .a few hours ago too OTS.
If any of these allegations of Coach Floyd giving Guilllory $1K in Vegas and the pic of Ornstein and Lake with Coach Carroll hold true, coupled with what we already know with what allegedly took place with both Bush (payments to parents, mortgage, and fly-Impala) and Mayo ($30K over a 4 year period, Guillory gaining carte blanche “access” to USC basketball facilities, locker room, and games, Mayo’s connection to BDA Sports Agency). . . . .we ARE GONNA GET STOMPED!
Now in writing all this, I’m not one to be provoked. I’ll defend my school as much as the next guy. I just don’t want or expect to be piled on with this. This is hard enough to write as it is.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 12, 2009 11:28 PM CDT reply actions
I hear you...
… like I said earlier, I don’t have anything against USC, and generally I like the Trojans. Alabama and USC have had a longstanding good relationship, and I see absolutely no reason why that should be considered changed now. We’ve had countless classic games over the years, and in particular the ’70 and ’71 match-ups were seminal events in Alabama football history.
Oh sure, USC has killed everyone the past few years, but it’s not like that has hurt Alabama in any way. We haven’t faced each other in over 20 years, and the next recruit that USC steals away from Alabama will be the first. And in fact, USC has actually done Alabama a ton of favors over the years by stealing away kids who would otherwise be playing at SEC schools (i.e. the Joe McKnight’s of the world). Again, I have nothing against USC, and frankly I don’t see any reason why any Alabama fan should.
That said, though, I’m going to be really honest with you man… if these allegations turn out to be true, you guys are going to get nailed, and just being brutally honest, probably deserve to get nailed. If true — and I understand that may very well be a big if, and there may be no truth to these allegations — as I mentioned earlier, this would be worse than anything that ever happened with the Means scandal, and that resulted in five years probation, twenty-one scholarships lost, and a two-year bowl ban. If the NCAA is truly consistent in applying the punishments — obviously that’s not likely, but just for argument’s sake — then what you guys will get will be worse than that. In particular, since this involves a player who would be considered ineligible in hindsight, I imagine you will at least see the ’05 games forfeited.
I don’t know, like I said I don’t have anything against USC, and they are generally fine in my book, but if this turns out to be true, this is going to get extremely ugly for the Trojans. If the NCAA is serious about punishment — and I imagine they will have to be in such a high profile case — then you guys will probably get than we did with Means. I don’t think it will be as bad as Miami in the mid-1990’s, but it’s still going to be pretty bad. The only way I can see USC getting around this is if they can dispute the factual claims here. If they cannot successfully do that…
by outsidethesidelines on May 13, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
And I'm right with you!
If ANY of these allegations turn out to be true, USC DESERVES all the punishment the NCAA can mete out. It’s a tough pill, but it will be one that will definitely have to be taken, just to “move on” from all this craziness.
There’s nothing really to defend when/if all the chips fall into a truthful place and it shows how lenient ‘SC was with letting Guillory gain access and if Coach Carroll even had an “inkling” of Lake and Ornstein being tight with Reggie Bush. That’s just stupid and insane.
The only thing that keeps things in the WTF-realm is, why hasn’t the NCAA, FBI, or IRS come down hard on Mike Garrett (the ‘SC AD). I mean, why even offer Coach Floyd the contract extension he just got 2 months ago? Why keep this and a few other new revelations more transparent to the alumni and/or public with some shadiness that may or EVEN MAY NOT have played out in Coach Carroll’s locker room? I can only guess, but like you said- if any of this comes off as being even slightly true (damn the hard evidence aspects, and I mean it) USC IS GONNA DESERVEDLY GET NAILED AND NAILED HARD!
I’m pissed, and have been for some time. On the allegations and the time it’s taken for this stuff to finally come to it’s conclusion.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
the uiniversity of arizona
is feeling pretty good about the way floyd pimped them for his contract extension right about now
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I know hah?
Whoa! That was close! (geeze, Coach Floyd? This guy?)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
We
were persuing Joe McNight but we kinda entered into that one in the 4th quarter.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
True, but...
… I don’t think you could have legitimately every considered him us as a viable possibility for us. He never even took an official visit to Alabama.
by outsidethesidelines on May 13, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm
hearing back on probabtion for 2 years, and loss of 2-6 scholarships.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
That's harsh
And unwarranted. I mean, I’m not saying this because it mirrors the Bush situation- it allegedly happened in the privacy of a players down-time- but how is Coach Saban supposed to know about the goings-on of player away from campus?
What is the authority, both: legal and withing Alabama Compliance parameters, in monitoring a player and his associations? Alabama did the right thing in keeping Andre out of practice and out of the Sugar Bowl. They did ALL THE RIGHT THINGS. I can’t say that for Coach Carroll, if indeed, he knew of the Lake/Ornstein association with Reggie (supposedly, there’s a picture of Lake, Ornstein, and Carroll on the sidelines after a game?).
If that’s the NCAA penalty, USC will get FREAKING HAMMERED for sure, and if all things fair- they (USC) should get hammered even more!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I
think the “repeat offender” status is what is going to get us. Not necessarily the text book case being all that bad.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 13, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
That's f_cked!
It’s an entirely different environment. EVERYONE on the Alabama admin and AD has been completely revamped. Coach Saban has been nothing short of amazing in his position and leadership.
This whole Alabama flagellation has to stop.
Sometimes. . . .God the NCAA is just run by nimrods and vindictive personnel, as it concerns the University of Alabama. We need a revolution. Something? Is wanting a fair, efficient, and relevant organization for higher education/athletics asking too much?
Sheesh! 2 years probation? 6 scholarships? That’s litigious, if I’ve ever seen something ASKING to be appealed, it’s that!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
The
problem is that participation in the NCAA is on a voluntary thing. You don’t have to be a member. You won’t have a sports program because you won’t play anybody, but there is no mandate. So I guess they have the attitude of a monopoly, if you don’t like it, there’s the door. But knowing full well that isn’t an option.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 13, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
A commenter over at CC had an interesting take
Zoulou states that Johnson would be crazy to have lied to federal authorities, thereby- he feels that Johnson’s allegation that Coach Floyd paid Guillory has a lot of merit. And, as such, it would definitely put a huge burden on the basketball program (bury it and be buried for at least a decade) BUT. . . . .it would be good news for the football program under Coach Carroll. His logic is simple, it would take away the “lack of institutional control” heaviness the NCAA is placing on the investigation- read: linking both bball and fball programs = institutional control parameters. With that said, Zoulou believes that the fball program will come away unscathed, so long as the telescope beads on Floyd and not so much on Carroll, and to that end- the punishment by the NCAA will be taken solely on the bball program.
Interesting, to say the least. I’m not entirely sold on it however.
The NCAA is the NCAA. They can pretty much do what they will and want. If they want to make a statement and show authority, if I were them, I find any way to hit both programs. I’m just glad I’m not not them.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
I think that's the problem...
The NCAA is the NCAA. They can pretty much do what they will and want. If they want to make a statement and show authority, if I were them, I find any way to hit both programs.
Well, I think that’s the problem, the NCAA can do whatever it wants, and in extremely high profile cases like this one, I think they feel compelled to come down with a heavy hand, or otherwise their legitimacy as an institution becomes greatly undermined in the eyes of the general public.
Truth be told, I think that was really the biggest thing we were fighting with the Means scandal. The NCAA could have done anything they wanted, and regardless of what we did in our own defense (and regardless of how valid that may have been), they were nevertheless going to hammer us. It was such a high profile case, and we had long since been convicted in the court of public opinion, and as a result we were getting hammered regardless. We could have probably factually disputed every single contention and still gotten hammered, that was entirely beside the point.
And ultimately, I think that’s the problem for USC here. This is an extremely high profile case, many have already made up their minds on this one, and the general consensus will probably be, if USC gets off, that the NCAA just decided to look the other way. If I were a USC fan, my major fear would be that the NCAA would try to show otherwise in a big way.
by outsidethesidelines on May 13, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Trust me, we are fearing for the worse.
What so ridiculous right now though is, people don’t quite realize the doldrums the football program was under during the Robinson II and Hackett years. Losing to fUcla all that time (like a millenium it seemed in our rivalry games)- they just think we’ll pick up and get back to it.
It won’t be so easy. It’ll be another cycle of being down in the dumps for years to come IF the NCAA makes it’s mind up to label “lack of institutional control” and hammer away at scholarships, post season play, and forfeiture of games.
The La-la crowd just has no idea right now. But. . . . .fair is fair. Punishment is warranted whether or not Coach Carroll and Coach McNair looked the other way while Reggie Bush was in a ’SC uniform.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
for the record...
Yahoo! Sports has taken it upon themselves to uncover the malfeasance in the USC program. for more than two years they have pursued the Reggie Bush story almost alone with only occasional butressing by the formidable investigative forces that comprise the Southern California media market.
as will leitch once noted, it’s hard to take an investigation all that seriously when the journalistic institution in question requires an exclamation point at the end of its name. which isn’t to say what Yahoo! Sports is reporting is wrong, but the burden of proof is certainly on them at this point – not USC.
and when i see a host of unnamed sources and copy like “The NCAA’s investigation began in April 2006 and intensified after Yahoo! Sports reported allegations…” well, my critical journalist shields go up to full. which isn’t to say there is reason to believe this story is fabricated out of whole cloth but, rather, one should be very cautious in drawing conclusions from the information as it is being reported. assuming a specific coach will be implicated or a specific penalty will be incurred is inordinantly presumptive at this point.
That may be true for the football side of things, but ESPN is the one that broke the basketball stories originally. The whole thing isn’t entirely Yahoo’s doing, and for what it’s worth, Yahoo says it has plenty of physical evidence (tapes, receipts, emails, etc) to back up its side.
i fully agree...
… but my point being this is still a story hinging on pretty much a single news source. yahoo can have all the evidence in the world but it’s still doesn’t know what decisions the NCAA will make about the case. so making prognostications about the program’s fate at this point is vastly premature.
take this passage from today’s story in the reputable bastion of Southern California journalism, the Los Angeles Times (my emphasis):
If the NCAA finds truth in this and other allegations previously made by Johnson, USC could be hit with major sanctions, including forfeitures of victories, probation, a ban on postseason play, the loss of television appearances or scholarship and recruiting restrictions.
thats a pretty massive set of qualifiers attributed to a guy who plainly admits he has zero information on the actual information the NCAA is examining.
and, on a related note, why hasn’t anyone contacted the U.S. Attorney’s Office, FBI and IRS who have allegedly been informed of this transaction? the info is just thrown out there without nothing to back it up – not even the seemingly obligatory ‘no comment.’
Tim Floyd
I agree with kleph, especially about the latest news of Tim Floyd paying a handler of O.J. Mayo. The source is a third party, who by his own admission was not even there when the money was exchanged.
Furthermore, the source (Louis Johnson) has been interviewed several times before, making numerous allegations about USC and Mayo’s connection, but has never implicated Tim Floyd. I think it would be reasonable to question his veracity, especially because he clearly has an axe to grind over no longer being a part of Mayo’s entourage.
Hey kleph
I’m gonna use parts of your post to comment over at CC, if that’s okay with you. You too OTS and kenny483. I won’t post for about 1/2 hour or so.
Lemme know if you don’t think it’s cool. (FTR: I’m not using your posts as “pro” or “con” in my upcoming comment. It’s just that I find most of your 3 comments in this RBR thread to be extremely topical and salient to what’s being said over there.
I have a meeting to get to before that, is all. Thanking you all in advance, if it’s all good on your guy’s end!
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
i’d say wait till they get their post up about the issue that they said they were working on.
the problem is all this is just rampant speculation over a minimum of facts. it’s useless and dumb. we don’t know what information the NCAA has, we don’t know what the NCAA will do. so discussing things like how long USC will be on probation and which pro team carroll will end up at is just ridiculous at this point.
and everyone needs to stop crediting these inquiries by other agencies until there is any verification they exist. all that we have is one guy saying he spoke to these agencies. you can call up the FBI and tell them there is a terrorist cow in your front yard and just because they call the loony bin to make sure you haven’t escaped doesn’t mean they are “investigating.”
Fair enough
Paragon should have his up later on in the day. I agree with you on this.
Besides, my 9:30 has been pushed to 11:00.
Are you keeping up with the Giro di Italia cycling race. There’s a few Columbians and Peruvians who are gonna rock the Alps in the later stages. Those guys are freaking mountain goats. It’s a good race. (check out cyclingnews dot com and velonews dot com for live coverage and final results/standings commentary. they’re the best out of all of ’em)
I am.
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
a lot of people ask me if i train for my marathons at altitude here.
…and i have to remind them what kinds of altitude we are talking about. cusco – the main city in the southern highlands and gateway to machu picchu – is about twice the elevation of denver. and when i’m working up there i’m another denver higher than that.
so, yeah, they should be good climbers.
I flew into Lima when I was 14, . . . .
. . . .and I had to get prescribed an inhaler (called K-2, taken for AMS – acute mountain sickness and HACE – high-altitude cerebral edema).
Apart from that, I was amazed at all those “qharis” y “warmis” (Quecha for men and women, do you speak that tongue?) carrying boatloads of “nuevo sols” in Hefty bags around town, trying to trade me for my AMEX travelers cheques.
It was massive. (freaking beee-eautiful countryside. insanity.)
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
True, it was Cuzco
I was talking with a co-worker and told her you had worked professionally in Peru and Central America. We had just gotten finished with trying to see who could name the most S American capitals (she’s European, and SMART) and when she left my office I hurriedly wrote my comment, and mistakenly wrote Lima??? We took a domestic-LAN flight FROM Lima to Cuzco. Lima got mixed in with my rush to post.
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
All pyramids
Aligned with Cusco, ain’t that right?
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
They (the Incas themselves) but, someone did
I’ve been to the Sacred Valley and Machu Picchu. What I saw was intense. In Cajamarca and Tecume are ruins, and not much left fully intact, but. . . .to say the Incas didn’t build pyramids is a stretch!
When I talk about the alignment (all Sun worshiping societies practically built temples and pyramids- I’ve been to the Valley of the Kings too) go here.
Someone put all those stones upon stones. Steps upon steps. Vantage points of unreal beauty. The practical spiritual center of Earth itself!
How long were you in Cusco? And the ruins of Cusco? Those are just a temples and buildings of reverence?
From the Mesa Verde, to Palenque, to Tikal, down through to Machu Picchu- whether it’s debatable or not, the alignment of these sites are uncanny.
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
the incas didn’t build pyramids. you’ve been watching too many indiana jones movies (which willfully confuse mayan and incan civilizations). the more distinctive architectural aspect of incan engineers is terracing but that’s due to the mountainous geography they worked in. the walls and such are battlements and most of the ruins are for sites of military importance – not religious. (the exception is machu picchu which is believed to be a royal retreat)
most of the sites were aligned in terms of irrigation. the complexity and sophistication of these water works is amazing. but there’s not a lot of the mystical mumbo jumbo all the hippies clutching their lonely planet guides gett all worked up about. in fact, even in nazca, the lines that get all the press aren’t nearly as impressive as the irrigation works located there as well.
by kleph on May 13, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Irrigation?
They had all the water they needed. And natural environments that pooled the water, which didn’t allow it to just go down stream.
As a retreat, the Inca still worshiped in the same vein as most Sun-centric societies.
Where is it that disproves the notion of Inca pyramids. The Empire stretched far below Machu Picchu.
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Too many Indiana Jones movies
Dude, I was here!
What are you talking about?
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
26 pyramids alone in Tecume!!!!!
Albeit, now they’re just ruins, and this is all that you see, but. . . . kleph? C’mon man!
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
tecume
and those other sites such as saipan in the north are from the moche culture – about 1,000 years before the incas. and works such as chan chan are the subsequent civilisation that emerged, the chimor.
not only are these substantially pre-inca, they are not located in the highlands. they are centered in the costal river valleys of the north. they also have no large-scale structures that would be equivilant to either he egyptian pyramids or the zuggurat construction typical of the mayans.
tecume and other ruins have smaller structures in evidence but these are believed to be the remains of the buildings and such of the city itself, not the classic idea of pyramid as a funeary or religious receptical. in fact, the most famous tomb – the lord of saipan (which the relics of are located in teh red museum on that page you linked) was found in a rather mundane hill that had covered the citadel-type structure he was entombed in.
more impressive is chan chan – one of the largest adobe/brick cities suriving from the ancient world. the technological expertise required to construct it is far beyond the rough structures at tecume you refer to as “pyramids.”
by kleph on May 13, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not trying to be rude
But you gotta temper your enthusiasm about this whole “Inca” and “no pyramid” thing. You read too many damn books bro!
If you were ever really there, there would be no need for you to go all ape-shit on this topic.
I was there and I don’t need your patronizing (too many indiana jones/lonely planet?) words. You can just save it kleph. I’ll tell you that to your face as a man too if you want.
I thought that was bad form dude. I’m not pissed, I’m saying my peace with this.
You doubt that I’ve traveled to Peru? Do you? You tell me straight up then bro!
Aight!
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 4:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said the Incas built pyramids
The Incan Empire was a confederation of tribes organized by the nobility of their lineage. Machu Picchu is indeed a citadel/retreat, if you will, but the technology and materials utilized mirrored that of the way the Meso-American pyramids were built.
All I said was that the pyramids of most all (read: Aztec, Maya, Incan, etc) pointed in the lat/long direction of Machu Picchu. Now, the roads which you speak were too low to be used for irrigation. Think- the aqueducts of the Holy Roman Empire. These were indeed roads, they’re mere 4 foot lumps of impossibly correct symmetry, height, and fidelity to be ever considered useful for irrigation. (irrigation canals need “downsloping” in order for them to be utilitarian).
We can disagree on this, but to say the Inca didn’t build or have use for pyramids is a total stretch.
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
More on the roads
I’m not just talking about the obvious canals of Machu Picchu, which are legion. I’m talking about the vast points of distance between the Mesa Verde here in North American, following through, down, and into Mexico, stretching across the canal into South America and ending in Machu Picchu.
The roads in the Yucatan (of the EXACT same symmetry, height, and fidelity) point towards the road that links Paleque to Tikal and Tikal into South America.
Those roads. That alignment. Not just centered in and around Cuzco and Machu Picchu.
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
is she hot?
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Kleph (spelled it right this time)
Im thinking most people are just annoyed with SC. There is more than enough evidence to prove Bush is guilty as sin and im thinking this guy would not be talking to the FBI if he didnt have some proof….even if its just a terrorists cow…there is still a cow….
I agree that we are all jumping the gun talking about what team Carroll is going to but again, i think most people feel like this should have happened years ago. Especially since the Means case moved like lightning compared to this…
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
just because someone says they spoke with a law enforcement agency does not mean that is proof there is an ongoing investigaiton by said agency. and numerous observers have cited this so-called involvement by such authorities as validation of the accusations being made – when it clearly is no such thing.
i’m not defending usc or saying the accusations are groundless. i’m saying it’s premature to draw the types of conclusions people are making given the information that is available to us right now.
Hey Kleph...
excellent point! Simply eleoquent.
I actually used your comment as basis for a story that will post at 9am EST
Boom!
I’m roasted!
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
You're doing it wrong!
ha ha
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on May 14, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what she. . . .
. . . . DIDN’T say?
;-)
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
What was that noise?
Universe exploded.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
Yup, yup!
Prolly wasn’t the real “big bang”, but. . . . . .
(I ain’t lyin’! I SAW fireworks of some sort, though.)
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
A
reverse Boom! Roasted followed by a inverse 360 “that’s what…HE said!” The Universe just couldn’t handle it.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
I think
most people know that i have no love for USC. I have always respected their ability to win football games but I have also been very curious in how Carrol was able to turn them around so quickly. That program went from terrible to BCS champs a little to fast….
That said, Yahoo seems to have a bug up their ass when it pertains to USC. ( which im glad someone does, cause the NCAA seems to have taken their sweet time coming around) I want them to fall as much as the next guy but its amazing how hard they have gone after em. (dont get me wrong im enjoying it) And If just half of these allegations come true….we might not hear from USC for a while. (which again is just fine with me)
And..if they do get hit..Carrol is gone. To the NFL….the SEC….somewhere but he won’t be stayin at SC. Actually if these allegations are true…it might be hard for him to get a job. IF he had to cheat to be successful then im not sure he’s worth the risk. He wasn’t all that great in the NFL and this isn’t going to help his rep.
Question…if they get busted…do they have to give up all their Championships, Heismans, wins etc since Carroll got there?
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
By cheating, you mean. . . . ?
I’m not trying to dismiss anything what you’ve written bammer, but so far- as it applies to USC football here’s the lowdown from someone who really has been paying attention to this matter since it broke:
Reggie Bush, with some encouragement/involvement with his parents, struck up a relationship with Lloyd Lake (a known ex-Crip, with lotsa money) down in San Diego (not Los Angeles, not USC campus, etc). Lloyd Lake overwhelmed Bush and parents with “friendly” gifts and perks (dinner at 5-star restaurants, flight/hotel arrangements for away games and some post-season awards circuit for Reggie). Lake introduced family to Michael Ornstein who allegedly agreed to pay for mortgage in well-to-do neighborhood that family had been living in on their own for the previous 5 years but were getting behind on and needing some help. All this was supposedly being don with the “nod and a wink” suggestion that Reggie Bush would help Lloyd Lake by becoming his ONE AND ONLY client at his NOT EVEN REGISTERED, LOCATED, OR OPEN phantom sports/entertainment rep agency.
Reggie balked, and backed off- but not until AFTER he had paid back Ornstein for the help in mortgage payments and after he tried to give Lloyd Lake back a few $ thousand dollars for him to stop hanging around him. In a circumstance that didn’t play out in an open court, however both parties had independent representation- the Bush family paid back Ornstein $300,000 dollars. Lloyd Lake got none of that money.
I, introduce to you now, the publicity of Lloyd Lake.
That’s where we are at with Reggie and have been since the news of all this has broken.
So I ask, not patronizingly, but still: where did Coach Carroll cheat?
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd be careful with that...
That program went from terrible to BCS champs a little to fast….
I’d be careful with saying that. USC went from 5-7 in Paul Hackett’s final year, to 6-6 in Carroll’s first year. In Carroll’s second year, they went 11-2, made a BCS game, and never looked back. Compare that to Alabama, who went 6-7 in Shula’s final year, to 6-6 in Saban’s first year, and then moving to 12-2 and making a BCS game the following year and (hopefully) never looking back after that.
What Carroll did at USC seems to be getting almost exactly mirrored at Alabama with Saban, so again I’d be careful with that assumption.
by outsidethesidelines on May 13, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
don't you think
that was going through my mind as i read that….and don’t you think that the thought of how Saban has done what hes dont without cheating hasn’t rolled around in my head a few times….
I love Saban as much as the next guy but what he’s done so quickly is just as impressive as what Carrol has and it scares the crap out of me….and makes me giddy at the same time..
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
Well i did say IF...
If any of these allegations of Coach Floyd giving Guilllory $1K in Vegas and the pic of Ornstein and Lake with Coach Carroll hold true, coupled with what we already know with what allegedly took place with both Bush (payments to parents, mortgage, and fly-Impala) and Mayo ($30K over a 4 year period, Guillory gaining carte blanche "access" to USC basketball facilities, locker room, and games, Mayo’s connection to BDA Sports Agency). . . . .we ARE GONNA GET STOMPED!
Ill say this Bix, i don’t know all the information..All i know is from what i read…well its seems that Carrol might be in trouble with some pics of him with Ornstien….im not sure what all that means but it sounds like Carrol knew a little if not a lot about what was going on, hence the lack of institutional control….so my comment about IF he cheated isn’t about spying on other teams practices or stealing signals….he MIGHT have known one of his star players was getting paid (or that his family was getting the Benjamins) that my dear friend is cheating in my book. OF course there is a gigantic IF in all of that…
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
Understood
And you’re right. That picture. . . . . is gonna be his downfall!
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
what exactly
does this pic show?
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
I may be wrong, but...
Question…if they get busted…do they have to give up all their Championships, Heismans, wins etc since Carroll got there?
I may be wrong here, but I don’t think they would have to give up too much. The Bush payment, to the best of my knowledge, didn’t occur until after the 2004 season had ended, and he left early for the NFL Draft after the 2005 season, so only the 2005 season would probably be fair game for being vacated. That would take away 11 wins for USC, a Pac 10 title, and Reggie would probably lose his Heisman too.
by outsidethesidelines on May 13, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you're right OTS
People say that the Heisman is untouchable. If I’m the Downtown Athletic Club of NYC- I’D MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF REGGIE BUSH!
Seriously, the m-fer basically thumbed his nose at ’SC, compliance, the NCAA, and all those people that fawned over him in his run towards the Heisman.
I’d kick that guy halfway back to San Diego! What a punk (now I’ll be the first to tell you that I loved that guy in a USC uniform. When all this came to light as he was dressing for the NFL, BOOM! I put that cat in the back of my mind and as since, haven’t cared diddly squat what he’s done or is doing. With that said, when all the chips fall where they may, it’ll take me some time to come back around to the guy. Right now though, “f”- him!)
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
The picture doesn't show much. . .
. . .other than the fact that Ornstein and Lake (Ornstein is a well-known sports agent and shouldn’t have been allowed access. ‘For all intents and purposes, up until the Reggie Bush scandal hit the public, Coach Carroll allowed for a bit of leniency on “professionals” in and around Heritage Hall and on the sidelines. it was a “feel good” time back then. Not so much anymore. There’s tight security with driver’s licenses and “who do you know, why are you here” questions/interview BEFORE allowing access to practices now. I should know, I’ve been “shaken down” and fingerprinted 7 times attending practice. And I used to work for Coach Chris Carlisle!!!).
So yeah bammer, it would show “lack of control” on Coach Carrolls part- which is hella damaging. You see, people have this pretty picture of our coach. He’s like Peter Pan or something? After his tirade following Mark Sanchez’s decision to go pro and all this “access” brouhaha, hardcore fans are only now questioning his methods and veracity. For better or for worse.
That’s about as factual as I can get with the picture and whatnot.
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Prediction:
1. USC will loses 2 scholarships in football and 2 in basketball.
2. Alabama will loses 3 scholarships in football for text books.
REASONS: 1. USC is Hollywood. Come on, the NCAA is star struk. And have you seen Kiffin’s wife?
2. NCAA hates Saban and Alabama.
By the way I wouldn’t bet anything that they even lose 2 scholarships.
I don’t think the NCAA would have done anything if Yahoo hadn’t been on them. Now they will feel they have to give a wrist slap.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
agreed
100%
if yahoo sports had let this go, the NCAA would have too. and i suspect they are searching for a way to sweep it under the rug.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
What's up with Lame's wife?
By association alone, she’s a duck to me! ;-)
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by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
ESPN has
now picked it up. Mike and Mike and 1st take…
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
Well...
… ESPN couldn’t really ignore this one a whole lot longer.
Some people like to think that ESPN is just taking it easy on USC, but I don’t think that’s it. ESPN generally doesn’t like to report — i.e. publicize — anything that they cannot themselves take credit for, and they generally avoid stories originally reported by rival outfits (SI, Yahoo, etc.) for as long as they can. I think that’s largely been the deal in this case, but again you can really ignore it for only so long.
by outsidethesidelines on May 13, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
If USC is required to vacate the 2004 season MNC...
no one is going to have a problem with Auburn sliding on up into that empty slot, right?
by War Eagle Atlanta on May 13, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions
Well I don't think the 2004 season is on the table here, but IF...
That would depend on the terminology the NCAA uses. If USC is forced to FORFEIT their title then, yes, Auburn would get it because they finished #2 in the BCS standings. If USC were to VACATE their title (as is far more likely) then there just wouldn’t be a champion for 2004. That’s what happened recently with South Carolina (I believe) and their vacated Track & Field title.
But realistically, we’re only talking about 2005 here (for football anyway), so that’s not going to happen.
Not happening either way...
The NCAA doesn’t really make you forfeit anything anymore, now they just make you vacate things.
by outsidethesidelines on May 13, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Who said forfeit?
They make you vacate the victories. What’s the difference? The team you orignally beat doesn’t get a win for the game they lost. They still get that loss, but your victory is removed.
I think the 2004 season IS in play, from previous reports into the RBI (Reggie Bush Incident)
I’ve always contended that a vacated MNC is too big a void to be left unfilled.
by War Eagle Atlanta on May 13, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Now that I look at it,
the NCAA doesn’t name a champion in D-1 football, they just recognize the BCS Champion. So it would be up to the BCS as to whether they want to strip USC of their 2004 title and put Auburn in their place. I would think the NCAA would then recognize the new champ. Either way, it’s all academic because it’s not going to happen.
If you can show me newspaper...
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Thought you might like that...
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
I don't like the way
Reggie Bush and his associates have handled any of this. I really didn’t like how his bodyguard flashed a gun at Lake’s deposition.
You can’t do that. That’s seedy, ghetto B.S. and it has no place in the legal world. They need to drag Reggie Bush in there and make him testify, and they need to protect every informant from Bush’s hired thugs who will try to intimidate them from testifying.
MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--
BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.
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commencing….. now.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
keep an eye out for questions from "paul in tempe"
two years ago i got an awesome question to Darren Mcfadden through, it was about his pimped out crown victoria. i suggested he use the heisman as a hood ornament… crowing acheivement of my life…
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow
I’d be proud of that too. I sat on Shamu at Sea World. Check mate.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 13, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
wow
orca whales are no joke. vicious killers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-bxOnAOH7I
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBb9ohcVeio&feature=related
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
D-Mac
has had to change his ride, now that he is on the West Coast. They don’t appreciate the same flavor in Oakland as they do in the Dirty Dirty.
MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--
BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.
That' s true bamagrad
Crown Vics get shot the “f” up, players or not inside them!
Mustangs and Chargers are the coaches of choice these days in Oaktown.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
5.0 baby
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 13, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
dont forget tha whistle tip yo!
whooo whooooo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccgXjA2BLEY
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
and then the re-mix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5K7uh0iVDs&feature=related
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by tempebamafan on May 13, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha
you know what’s funny – when my wife and I went to the Bahamas on our honeymoon, all the bus drivers would honk obnoxiously at any decent looking female that walked by. There are a lot of people walking around downtown Nassau during the day so you can imagine the constant horn honking that took place. It reminded me of that scene in Waynes World 2 when Garth was at the club and carrying on a conversation and every girl that walked by got a “schwing.”
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
I think you need a hug today
you seem…not yourself :(
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on May 13, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
actually, i'm on deadline and sick as a dog...
…but this kind of journalism really gets my goat. i’ve read through the analysis in the wake of the jayson blaire and janet cooke scandals and they always insist the need for accountability in primary sourcing, robust confirmation from secondary sources and nailing down the details completely. this story fails on all counts.
it’s essentially a one source effort and we’re supposed to take the word of this witness hook line an sinker. who saw the envelope? he did. who called the feds? he did. who is giving all the detial of the scandal? he is. don’t think this is a recipe for disaster? just ask los angeles times pulitzer prize winning reporter chuck philips about that.
but the fact it’s “out there” seems to give everybody carte blanche to simply run off at loose ends with ever frickin hypothetical scenario they can come up with. it’s baseless and farfetched – but part of the normal discourse due to the subject of the initial story and their blase attitude to sourcing the thing themselves (someone else will take care of that. right?)
i think we as alabama fans have had our fill of ever tinpot pundits bemoaning the horrid state of our program due to allegations and conjecture about the fates we are about to incur. it doesn’t help anyone get to the bottom of the mess and it’s usually little more than a means of painting your foe with a tarred brush of moral rectitude while keeping your own self oh-so-far above the fray.
usc might be guilty of all the accusations. this guy might be telling the truth. and the ncaa might be ready to bring down the banhammer of rightiousness. but this story isn’t going to be a vehicle for any of that, it’s just an excuse for folks to moan on about something else while we wait for this interminable off-season to end.
That figures that you are sick
You just sound…different today/yesterday – I don’t mean that in a negative way.
I understand your points about the sources and where you are coming from, certainly not arguing. Making sure you are ok. I hope you make your deadline, and more importantly, get to feeling better soon.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on May 14, 2009 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions
usc might be completely innocent, they might not. but they’ve already been convicted to a certain degree by the fact there is this kind of debate over this story. i’ve seen this same bullshit affect Alabama and i take no joy seeing it happen elsewhere.
You're on the front page at Conquest Chronicles
Way more exposure than I would have given you in a comment. Paragon made you front and center over there.
(see, I saw the same incisive journalistic points you had made here and was gonna fully credit you, OTS, kenny283, and 5026. Paragon is “da man” at CC and made your intuitive comments here practically a post about your journalistic acumen. way to go kleph! good work my man)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand that
and you make some great points. I think it would be entirely irresponsible journalism of Yahoo! Sports to continue to persue it if there clearly is nothing there, so by giving YS the benefit of the doubt that they are not doing that I have to think, as was stated earlier, where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
On the other hand, I understand that Bama’s name got drug through the mud, and lately every minor thing get’s blown up by the same type of journalism.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on May 14, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
good points re; journalistic integrity
however, you’re forgetting this is USC we’re talking about. grab a torch and join the mob! it’s fun!
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by tempebamafan on May 14, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
"grab a torch and join the mob!" ???
You colder than a nudist on an iceberg ;-)
Wouldn’t have it any other way tempe!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Not
to mention it failed the California emissions test.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 13, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
That's okay
the emission’s test doesn’t stop any of my homies from driving. The driver’s license thing doesn’t, either.
MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--
BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.
". . .The driver's license thing. . ." ?????
Hi-freaking-larious!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
That's what I'm here for
MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--
BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.
Hey
but you know how it is out in Cali…some people just bend the rules a little bit, ha ha.
MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--
BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.
Like Manny Ramirez?
I’m not particularly a Dodger fan, as a matter of fact- I used to ONLY go to Giant’s/Dodger’s games as a kid at Candlestick Park- I wanted to see LA beat them, and beat them badly! I’m a A’s fan. No one hates the A’s more than the avg. Giant’s fan in the Bay Area, so we equally began to hate each other with vigor! But. . . . Bummer days with Manny Ramirez.
50-games?
Hard to get happy after that one!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 13, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
How in the heck
did we have almost twice the amount of comments about SC’s troubles than CC did….are we just that bored?
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
they're in denial
and we’re partyin it up
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 14, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah. That and pyramids.
"The Saban method isn’t for everyone."
-CJackson
by Bubba Chang on May 14, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Ponzi?
Did I miss that part?
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Fat, oils, and sweets...
…should be used sparingly. Milk, yogurt and cheese group: 2-3 servings. Same goes for your meats, eggs, and nuts group. Veggies? 3-5 servings, fruit 2-4. Your grains, 6-11 servings. OR DO YOU NOT BELIEVE I’VE BEEN TO HEALTH CLASS?!
"The Saban method isn’t for everyone."
-CJackson
by Bubba Chang on May 14, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm calling BS on that
you’ve never taken a health class and it shows. if you HAD, you’d of started with the 6-11 servings of WHOLE grains… i’m not sure what you got planned, but know this; i’m onto you bubba…
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by tempebamafan on May 14, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The
whole FDA food pyramid is designed to increase obesity!!!
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
Well Bubba did go to a Health Class. . .
. . . .they checked for a pulse?
Yup, he had one.
And said, “He alive alright!”
Boom! He got an “A”.
I’m shoutin’ out nefarious skulduggery too! Today’s Thursday, yo. It’s Ultimate- AND “Mad-Cow”- Day! I eat a $15 burger for $5 at Rick’s Tavern on Main in Santa Monica after playing Ultimate this afternoon.
Meaning: like it says in my profile, “I’m a part-time vegetarian”. . . .so, I eat vegetable sometimes? Not all the time. Today, especially no! Skulduggery BubbaChang (for today at least). I’m eating the sh_t outta that burger! It’s Mad-Cow Day, and I ain’t taking this left-wing liberal agenda about what’s good and not for my body. My body is MY VESSEL! (and I’m feeling like a Viking! today)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Sir, I take offense.
I practice skulduggery DAILY, not just today.
And just in case anyone’s curious, I give you the new food pyramid: 
"The Saban method isn’t for everyone."
-CJackson
The FDA...
…didn’t build any pyramids, dude. You’ve been watching too many episodes of The Biggest Loser.
by NiceLittleSaturday on May 14, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Julian=butter face
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
I went...
…butter face on this girl in college once, and she still won’t stop calling.
by NiceLittleSaturday on May 14, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
You musta been REAL popular!
I’m afraid of pyramids now. It’s a condition that’s only recently become more “active” within me. I’m horrid. I’d much rather accidentally swallow -down to the most wretched part of my guts (plural), the neon-yellow/thick and bubbly/nasty-ass-gross-est, Loogy from H.A.I.L (but you know i mean h.e.l.l)! To get snookered by all them ubiquitous-foreign exchange student docents that seem to always find work throughout the “pyramid circuit” located wherever ancient Sun-centric societies/civilizations once existed. They are evil.
And lieeeeeeeee!
I’m non-plussed by pyramids. (How about Masons?)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 15, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
And I'm "rec-cing" this one
Join the Mob! C’mon y’all.
OTS is the BOMBIZZLE!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
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