Coach Saban vs. Crimson Tide Fans

It seems Coach Saban kicked off a bit of a kerfuffle recently when he made comments about the role the Crimson Tide fanbase played in the successes (or lack therof) of the team. It’s a point he has made repeatedly since his arrival in Tuscaloosa but, as usual, it has been leapt upon as evidence of his nefarious nature.
This all started right after the A-Day game when Ian Rapoport of The Birmingham News reported Saban's comments concerning the importance of fan support particularly in light of the Sugar Bowl.
I want our fans to understand that when they don't have positive passion and energy for what we're trying to accomplish, then it affects everyone. Last year's team was a great example of that... There's very little interest from our fans, our players or anybody else to play in the Sugar Bowl, which to me is a tremendous opportunity. I tried to tell everyone, you're only going to remember one thing about this game and that's the outcome. So there's no interest, there's no passion and everybody is embarrassed because of how we played. Well, it's because you didn't have any passion for it, you didn't have any interest in it, you didn't have any enthusiasm to do it, and that's across the board. And that's not right. We go to a BCS bowl game, everybody ought to be positive and enthusiastic about what we're doing.
Now, Rapoport – one of the better journalists covering the team – explicitly noted Saban wasn’t blaming the fans for the loss against Utah but rather admonishing them to look at the accomplishments the team achieved over the whole of the season.
Of course that part was conveniently forgotten in the wailing and gnashing of teeth that followed.
We’ll get this parade of pathetic going with the writers who saw the incident as Saban trying to shift the blame for the Sugar Bowl loss in the from himself and his coaching staff to another quarter. College Football Talk was particularly nimble climbing atop this sad little soapbox:
While Saban’s tried to clarify that he isn’t just blaming the fans, he’s blaming everyone (including himself), what he’s really doing is further tarnishing a coaching legacy that most thought was immune to an embarrassment like last year’s BCS Bowl. If your team can’t get over a disappointing loss to Florida in a month, and get up for a BCS game against the lone undefeated team in the nation, Saban and the Crimson Tide need to look in the mirror if they’re searching for someone to blame.
The Bleacher Report followed this line of reasoning with an effort up to their usual underwhelming standard:
The fact is that Saban does not or will not give Utah credit for a win, but instead tries to hold onto some type of sense of superiority by saying the team, the fans, and the staff were not into the game.
The Gainsville Sun’s Pat Dooley couldn't resist the bandwagon either:
Now we get it. Now we understand why Alabama laid an egg in the Sugar Bowl against Utah. It was the fans' fault.
FanIQ then went and proved they have none with this awry assessment:
Just when you think Nick Saban couldn't be any bigger of a jackass than he already is, he does something like this. Saban is blaming Alabama fans for his team's brutal loss to Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Yeah, because it had NOTHING to do with you getting thoroughly outcoached and underestimating your opponent, Nick.
It seems making statements like "I'm responsible to have the team ready to play. I don't think we were ready to play." clearly shows a man ducking his responsibility as a coach and blaming the other team and/or fans for the loss. At best these self-appointed pundits were too lazy to read Rapoport's article and present the comments in proper context. At worst they purposefully took them out of context to create controversy. Both are reprehensible.
Next up were those who felt Saban was lashing out at the fanbase for not matching the attendance figures of prior A-Day games. Leading this charge was Track ‘em Tigers who lived up to the lamentable educational standards on the plains with this feeble effort:
But regardless if this is just casual banter from the mouth of the savior, who sometimes drivels on when not on teleprompter, (Whoops! Sorry. Wrong savior) you have to question the timing of it all. You're coming off your second recruiting national championship in a row, an undefeated regular season and a beatdown of your hated rival. Why chastise your fanbase so, especially now since this is the dawn of the return to greatness? I'd sure love to know. Could it be that all-knowing, all-seeing barometer, A-Day Game Attendance? Hmm...
Hmm... indeed. This kind of tepid nonsense wins you zero points - a sum you should be fairly well acquainted with. Still, even the usually incisive Dr. Saturday fell prey to the charms of this argument and then let the snark overwhelm him in his post on the matter:
Yes, you too, Tide fans, have a role ... a job ... let's just say a responsibility toward the team's ultimate success, and that responsibility is to turn a sleepy, almost entirely inconsequential spring scrimmage into Woodstock for the greater good of your team. Feel the love! And don't forget to clap! Clap so they can hear you!
Actually, Matt, the fans clapping at a useless scrimmage is important and you know enough about college football to realize that. Already this year we’ve seen the kind of scrutiny the NCAA will give to any program that tries to "simulate a gameday experience" as part of their recruiting. The solution, obviously, is to have the one event they can freely attend – A-Day – be as close to a gameday experience as possible. And this includes the television coverage as well.
But enough with this reasoned thinking and back to our calvacade of the execrable. We next suffer a visit from that special breed of folks who use any opportunity to denigrate the Alabama fanbase – part of that time honored off-season tradition known as "remuer la merde."
Exhibit A: the Orlando Sentinel's Andrea Adelson:
Saban can say whatever he wants, and 'Bama fans will continue to support him. Because he wins, and well, that’s all that really matters, right?
Exhibit B: NBC New York's Eamonn Brennan:
What Saban is trying to do here, at a fundamental level, is change the culture at Alabama. It's a pretty remarkable egotistical feat, really. Unfortunately for Nick, no matter how big a deal he is on campus, and no matter how many games he wins or loses, Alabama fans will always be crazy. Same for the rest of the SEC. That insanity runs deeper than any one coach, and it will last longer than one coach's tenure. These people will not have their expectations managed for them. They prefer the mentally unstable approach, thanks.
To be any more patronizing these two would have to reach out of the computer and pat you on the head as you read. This is what happens when you let the interns loose on your website.
Lastly, and certainly not least, there is Paul Finebaum. Despite his stature as the dean of Alabama sportswriting, he seems desperate to cement his reputation as a regional Skip Bayless by screaming contrarian points simply to garner attention. As you might expect, his column on this subject was a gumbo of all the above stupidity seasoned with his favorite garnish – indignation.
What's remarkable is that the Alabama fan base remains assiduous in support of Saban following these incidents, boldly defending him. Fans seem to forget Saban did a perfectly lousy job preparing his team for the Sugar Bowl -- starting with disrespecting the Utah team moments after the heartbreaking Florida loss.
What seems clear is that all of these pundits – and Finebaum in particular – take it for granted that Saban’s imperious manner is proof positive he holds the fanbase in contempt. Which is interesting, since the fanbase doesn’t seem to think that’s the case at all. Our esteemed representatives of the fourth estate then insist this is plain evidence that we thousands of Crimson Tide supporters are… well, idiots.
So which theory requires the greater assumption – that thousands upon thousands of Crimson Tide football fans are misguided brainwashed fools or that a handful of pompous sports writers and biased observers are? You don't need to be named Occam to figure that one out and insulting your readership isn't the smartest business model in the world either.
(We need to point out that there were some very incisive responses to Saban's statements as well. Cecil Hurt of the Tuscaloosa News cranked out his usual spot-on assessment and the folks at Planet Weekly pretty much hit the target with their take as well.)
Perhaps the best way to dissect the issue is to examine the assessment over at Fanhouse:
Alabama's performance in the Sugar Bowl had nothing to do with Alabama fans feeling let down about not playing for a national title. Instead, it was about the players and coaches not being properly prepared, and Utah being a great team that played a great game when it mattered most to them.
As much as this analysis of the loss itself is right, it's initial dismissal of fan culpability is not. The fans perception of the team and their contribution is a part of the situation and Coach Saban's comments after A-Day were intended to specifically address the issue.
There is a very clear role for the fanbase in what we've come to know as "the process" and Coach Saban has been explicit on this point from the beginning. No, we the fans don't directly take part in the action on the field, but calling Alabama "our team" means there is a responsibility on our part for the team's success.
Observing Coach Saban’s method, it is clear that he has an insistence on accountability for himself, his players and the UA football program. Why is it beyond understanding for these so-called experts to recognize that this extends to the fanbase as well?
It is interesting that all of these commenters purport to know what we in the Crimson Tide fanbase think but invariably describe us in the third person. In reality there is a critical distinction between us and them – we have respect for Coach Saban. Not because we feel winning is worth any cost but because he has given his word and delivered on it. Repeatedly.
And that’s a hell of a lot different than simply taking what the man dishes out because we are blindly following him. Supporting the coach isn’t necessarily evidence of obeisance and defending him against such accusations doesn’t make one an apologist either. What this degree of respect means is that we will listen to what he says – rather than the insipid interpolations from the self-appointed cognoscenti – and, most importantly, allow him the chance to clarify his statements if it seems he has misspoken.
Which is exactly what he did at The Crimson Caravan:
The statement that I made was that our season last year was a great example of when you have passion and enthusiasm from a team standpoint and from an organization standpoint how well a team can do and how important that is. When we didn't have the same passion and enthusiasm for whatever reasons, same people, they don't do nearly as well. It wasn't a criticism of the fans. It's my responsibility, it's the players' responsibility, its the coaching staff's responsibility. The intention -- it was really taken out of context to make it some other kind of intention -- is that enthusiasm is really important to being successful, and everybody being a part of the team is what has helped us be successful at Alabama. Our fans have contributed to that in a very positive way in the way they've supported A-Day games and the great crowds that we've had for every game since we've been at the University of Alabama home or away.
These words would ring hollow if they were an apologetic follow up to a single misstatement. But they are not. There is no apology here because none is needed. Saban said what he meant to say after A-Day. And he clarified it when it seemed it was misunderstood. Most importantly the points he is making is clearly consistent with what he has said on the subject in the past.
To pretend there is more to it than that and take the opportunity to pontificate at length doesn't address any type of perceived ethical lapse - it is simply an exercise in baring your own prejudices for the rest of the world to see. Or, to use the common vernacular, "showing your ass."
If you don't like Coach Saban and want to sound off about it, be our guest. It's a free country. But stop acting like you speak for us, the Alabama fanbase, in any degree and stop pretending not liking us makes you somehow better than us.
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Yeah I am pretty tired of it too
If it was any other coach, nothing would be made. Anyone with a brain could understand what Saban was saying.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on May 3, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A+ for kleph's remarks
I’m not really saying anything that others haven’t said better but kleph’s remarks got me worked up:
1) “Journalists” routinely complain about coaches that don’t say anything, repeating mindless optimistic phrases about their programs. Why do coaches do this? Exhibit A: Nick Saban. He chooses instead to provide lots of information and honest reflection about his program. What does he get for his efforts? An endless litany of cheapshots from lazy writers and talking heads who make more money if they do less journalistic work.
2) Bama is thoroughly hated and envied by most of its rivals (with the notable exception of Penn State). These haters convinced themselves that we would disappear into football irrelevance like Syracuse or SMU after our near death experience. The idea that one of the nation’s best coaches really wants to coach at Bama is simply intolerable. And it is inconceivable to them that he might actually retire at Bama. The fact that Saban has, with the help of Bama fans, already established our football relevance for several years to come makes him an object of intense hatred.
3) Combine points one and two with the fact that Bama is the heart of dixie and you have a recipe for the most reviled and pilloried coach in the U.S.
by toofull on May 3, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good job.
I think the professional sports writting/talking people in general try to create controversy where none exists to create a fame of sorts for themselves which in turn they hope could lead to a better paying job etc.
That is why I would much rather read what the people who own this site, and write for this site, have to say. You guys are honest and fair but you also are Alabama fans and you have no desire to make a story where none exists. However, I have no doubt if a coach or a program at Bama was in need of critcism you would do that as you have done in the past.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
by 5026 on May 3, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Precisely.
Where was the outrage when Saban gave the fans a lot of credit with helping recruiting by filling the stadium during his first ADay game? Its the flipside of the same concept — that fan reaction, expectations, etc, creates an atmosphere that impacts the team. I have said for years I can predict how the team will play based upon how overconfident fans are on the internet. The coaches can try to insulate the players from fan thinking but it still has an impact. Saban is just pointing out the obvious.
by wey on May 3, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well, i don't think it's a matter of pointing out the obvious...
…otherwise everyone would do it. but it clearly is a case of addressing one of the factors within your control. there are countless variables involved in building a top tier program and only a limited amount a coach has a direct ability to affect. the HC job at Alabama is one that gives him the stature and profile to appeal to the fans in order to influence the atmosphere his team will play in on gameday. saban understands the advantage it provides him and pursues it relentlessly.
by kleph on May 3, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe its not "completely" obvious . . .
but I think maybe one of the reasons more coaches don’t talk about it is because it could be taken as “blaming” the fans for an outcome — just like it was taken by some here. Its probably a much bigger factor with college players vs. the pros. Saban has talked from day one about “positive energy” — and even though that phrase is a little newagey for me — it certainly is correct and I think his recent comments were just a continuation of that theme.
by wey on May 4, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At
least Saban acknowledges and engages the fans. Some coaches ignore or even have downright contempt for their fan base.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 4, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't care what
the rest of the country or media for that matter, think about Bama football or CNS. I do believe in what Saban is doing with the attitude of the team. Don’t get me wrong, I feel we are truely blessed to have someone of Saban’s talent and desire, but this is Alabama and i would still pull for Bama no matter who is at the helm. We supported Bama thru the three "Mikes’ " tenure, and now that we are beginning to re-take the mountain, there is no way I will criticize. I should probably step down from my “soap-box” now. ROLL TIDE
by CousinEddie on May 3, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
These people in the media are just bored during the offseason...
They need something to get indignant about, so they just make stuff up.
by crimsontsunami on May 3, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It just never ends does it? ’Bama fans are kicked and beaten and spat upon from all corners, inside and out of the program. Thanks a hell of a lot Coach Saban.
To hell with all of them. It wasn’t my job to keep Andre Smith from being a dumbass, was it? I have a job and do it to the best of my ability and don’t blame anyone else if something goes wrong. Then again, I am 37 years old and don’t subscribe to the new age thinking of nothing is ever really my fault.
Was it my job to prepare the team for the Sugar Bowl? I didn’t know that it was but, according to Coach Saban, perhaps I am wrong. What did I do wrong to allow Florida to pull out a victory over us in the 4th quarter of the SEC Champ game? Notice I liberally use the word “us” because I am apparently a coach now. Did I wish too hard for a victory? Did someone know I was going to feel bad when ’Bama lost? Does my life affect Andre Smith or Caldwell or any of the other players?
Did Andre’s backup being out during the first series of snaps affect ‘Bama and allow Wilson to be sacked 8 times? I don’t know, does it? LOL Yep, I believe it did. No matter what people say, it hurt bad. Not only was Andre Smith out but, his backup went down on the first series. A third stringer was thrown in to the wolves.
Now, I have to wonder, if when I am driving home from a game we lost and I feel bad about the loss, is it my fault? Does my attitude of being upset or disappointed directly affect the ability of someone to properly prepare the team.
I have always, naively I suppose, thought that all fans of all teams wanted their teams to win and felt badly when they lost. Nope. The only people who feel bad when their team loses are stupid, irrational, unrealistic ’Bama fans. Also, and even more importantly, wishing for a win is not what being a fan is about. Being a mute, emotionless drone is what Coach Saban is after, the next generation fan.
We are the only fans in America who, before a season starts, actually have high hopes and desires and wishes for a good season. This sick attitude of cultural decadence needs to end. We, as ’Bama fans, need to be automated in our actions and all behave as one. We need to show no emotion because that can be used to illustrate that we are not educated and live in trailers, thus contributing to team defeats and the perception of us around the nation.
It is always, always reassuring to hear a man that has been hired to run “your” team chirping in his two cents of the same old, same old regurgitated bile that has been spewed onto ’Bama fans for the last 12 years.
Ooh, look at me, I was disappointed for a couple of days because we lost to Florida, same with Utah. I am the problem, and other fans like me. I have human emotions and allow them to affect me, thus causing defeats and complete unpreparedness. I am evidently not with the program.
I wonder how many games us fans will directly cause our beloved Alabama team to lose next season?
Perhaps ‘Bama needs new fans; we might not be good enough. Look at how stupid we all seemed going to a spring game and filling up the stadium. That was so embarrassing as an Alabamian. Remember how all of us were lambasted and raked over the coals by the media and rival fans for doing that? Of course, the direct cause of that event were the unrealistic expectations of ’Bama fans and all the crazies who didn’t have anything better to do on a Saturday.
Just as Coach Saban says, it’s a cultural “problem” here at Alabama. This is not a cherished and beloved cultural thing, like so many are, but a reviled and disgusting cultural phenomenon that needs to be stamped out. Unrivaled fan support is bad, bad, bad.
Give me a break, Coach Saban. Do your job. If you will open your eyes and stop sucking up all the stereotypes you have been fed about us, just like everyone else in the nation, you may even like us.
We are football fans, we are Alabama fans, we have roots here and will always be here. If you don’t like it, if it doesn’t suit you, if total and unconditional support and unrivaled adoration is too much for you, hit the road.
I will not allow you or anyone else to dictate how I am supposed to behave as a fan. Keep on pushing us, keep on picking like everyone else does, keep on sniping at us in underhanded ways.
I feel that many times coaches are so used to being around teenagers, kids, that their perspective on how to speak to adults is skewed. They live in a teenager’s world and 75 percent of their time is spent talking to them and being around them, they lose contact with the adult world.
Just keep on piling on like everyone else does; it is fun for you just like it is for everyone else. Just remember, you are going to be the failure if you can’t make it work here at Alabama. You will be the failure, along with all ’Bama fans. But hey, we are used to being vilified and ostracized. You just had a small little sampling when you were hired of what we, as ’Bama fans, have to live through constantly. In ending, it is really gratifying to know that our coach is now against us also.
by CtrlAltDel on May 4, 2009 1:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TL;DR
this guy a troll?
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 4, 2009 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's
he selling?
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 4, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should take a cue from
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 4, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah and freakin awesome post BTW. well done.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 4, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah have you seen the rap chop?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA
If Chuck Norris and Nick Saban got in to a fight, we would all have to hide underground. For 7 months the earth would be uninhabitable, ash would rain from the sky, sonic booms could be heard in the distance, and skeletons of those who were unfortunate enough to meet the two would litter the landscape. Let us pray to almighty God that these two never cross each others path.
by J.JACOBS4PRES on May 4, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH MY GOD!!!
this is the most amazing thing ever!!!
it’s nowhere as cool, but have you seen the billy mays putty dub?
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 5, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CtrlAltDel
Think you missed the point by about a mile. And you are exactly the type of fan that gives Alabama football a black eye. Also, I disagree with your use of the word “us.” Saban is more a part Alabama football than you or me or anyone else on this site. Sure it is our team, but CNS is the leader of the team. He surely does not look at UA as “them.” Bottom line, he is more a part of the team than you or me or anyone else.
Kleph, great post.
I wouldn't piss off the boys from Alabama . . .
by I hate UT on May 4, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where
did this guy come from?
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 4, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A cultural problem is what he said Alabama fans had. There aren’t but so many ways to change the meaning.
by CtrlAltDel on May 4, 2009 5:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and apparently..
you chose one one of those ways.
by jsholt969 on May 4, 2009 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kleph,
Truly a great post. This is why I love this site.
by BigChief on May 4, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome Post.
I’ve said it before: It’s GREAT to be hated again.
Screw ’em.
MB
by MetallibamA on May 4, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I am a little "off",
but I did not construe that post in the same manner as ctrlaltdel. Although, I am Bama born and raised, so according to the rest of the nation, that puts me at the bottom of the knowledge food chain.
by CousinEddie on May 4, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What does the media want from us or Saban?
Am I the only one that finds that fact that Alabama fans were the only ones who got what Saban was saying…THE FIRST TIME..funny? We all know he wasn’t calling us out in a negative way or that we was saying that it was our fault…if dumb, illiterate bama fans can get that, why can’t the sports media elitist get it?
Now I live in Atlanta and I heard absolutely NO backlash from his comments and the Atl has a pretty big AU following. One of the biggest AU sports radio homers had Saban on the other day and he said nothing about it..before or after the interview. This to me is a bunch of jealous fans trying to stir the pot. Their teams haven’t done a dang thing in centuries (yes Im looking at you Dr. Saturday and your Southern Miss Eagles) So all they can do is bring everyone else down around them…
The fact is Saban is damned if he does, damned if he doesnt. That goes for the fans as well. If we are supportive and buy in the the process then we are unrealistic. If we don’t show up to A-day and only voice our opinions when we lose…then we are not real fans…again ill ask. What does the media want from us or Saban?
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on May 4, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good
job Kleph I was waiting for one of you guys to respond to this. I read that quote in the article and didn’t think anything of it until everyone else starting jumping up and down like 5 year olds in the toy section at Wal-Mart. Just like you said, it was consistent with just about everything else Saban has said in the past. If Saban has a weakness, it’s that while he is masterful in his message, he isn’t exactly artful in his word selection sometimes.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 4, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Post
Thanks for posting a defense of Bama fans, CNS and “the process”.
It has been disheartening to continually read the sophistry of CNS’s detractors.
I think that many of these quasi-journalists look to assign the worst qualities that they witness, locally, to high profile targets like CNS and the Bama fan base. It is their attempt to say, “You’re no better than I am.” Rather than accepting things for what they are.
At worst it is just a ploy by desperate newsmen to drum up business interest, where there is no story.
by crimson37 on May 4, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
still though...
…it took me 2K+ words to say what Gump for Heisman did with one glorious photoshop…
by kleph on May 4, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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