Gene Chizik: Hard Worker or Big Phony?
by Mark Kieffer on May 5, 2009 11:34 PM CDT
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ed. - clone chronicles weighs in.
I've heard much discussion on the Limo news last week. Many people thought it was cheesy (myself included). Others thought although it was cheesy but perhaps showed how hard Chizik is working on the recruiting trail.
My question is what "work"? To the best of my knowledge, it was assistant coaches in the limos going around the state, NOT Chizik. How hard is it to hop in some limos (Stretch Hummer Limos at That!) and send the assistants out there?
Have you EVER met someone who rode in a limo and complained? Have you ever met someone who rode in a limo to work that you felt sorry for? Hell no! Limos are bomb! If riding in a Limo is hard work, then I'll GLADLY take 6 figures to roll around in one all day!
Is it just me, but wouldn't it seem to go a longer way with recruits if Chizik would've just gotten in his car, looked the recruit in the eye, and said that he wanted him to join his program?
I then realize that this tactic simply won't work. This is a man who told his players a week before leaving ISU that "there's nowhere he'd rather be than with this group right now". He told the fans and the media that "he's firmly entrenched in Ames" only to leave about a month later.
Has Chizik finally realized that his word is meaningless? I mean, if he doesn't to talk to the recruit, then there's no way to let them down. Right?
In some ways, I am glad Chizik has learned to recruit in the state. When he signed at ISU, he said recruiting Iowa was his #1 priority. Although Iowa isn't a hot bed for recruiting, someone with the credentials of Chizik should be able to sign the top recruits in the state right?
WRONG.
Out of the three or four 4 star players in the state during his tenure, he didn't even attempt to make an offer to these prospects. He had almost no relationship with the Iowa High School Coaches, and many of them complained about this behind closed doors.
If you're a 'Bama fan, you can't be worried by this latest PR stunt. This is a guy who took ISU's mediocre recruiting of the past and actually made it worse (isn't he supposed to be a touted recruiter?). Chizik's recruiting classes at ISU for 2007,2008, and 2009 were 60th, 62nd, and 78th. The previous 3 years' rankings were 42nd, 58th, and 63rd.
My advice to all Alabama High School Players:
If you're a high school prospect and Chizik talks to you, just realize that he's probably lying. If he shows up in a limo, realize YOU won't be riding in it. All Chizik cares about is using you to earn his $2 mil a year, and you're better off going somewhere else.
My advice to the pumped up Auburn fan:
"War Eagle" must be like hitting the G spot for Auburn fans. I mean, I thought Auburn fans were unhappy about the Chizik hire, but then a few "War Eagle"s and a couple more limos later, everyone is happy. Just realize that saying "War Eagle" isn't going to teach your QB how to throw the football. Unless, you actually sign a QB who's last name is "War Eagle"... Then I'd buy it.
On the surface it's easy to say he's a "hard worker" but when you look closely you realize he's just a phony.It took us ISU fans 2 years to realize this, and I hope for your sake it doesn't take as long.
But then again, if you're pumped about Chizik, I'm firmly entrenched in my belief that you'll get what you deserve this upcoming fall.
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ok, I agree wit you a lot of points...
especially that limos are the ish, but you spent a lot of words on the subject…
if you don’t care about it, don’t talk about it…
I'm so very tired...
by SpockJenkins on May 6, 2009 7:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To the best of my knowledge, it was assistant coaches in the limos going around the state, NOT Chizik.
I think NCAA rules prohibit head coaches from being at high schools right now, so that would be the reason why he wasn’t in the limo.
The jury is still very much out on Chizik. And I think that is the root of the frustration for Auburn fans. They lost a proven winner, for an unproven loser. Chizik likes to tout his success as a DC but look at the players he had. Hell even Charlie Weis can look like a “guru” with Tom Brady at QB (zing). Will Chizik compete with Alabama for the top in-state recruits? Who knows. He’s at least making a go at it. And thats more than you can say for Tuberville who essentially conceded the state’s top prospects to Saban. I half heartedly rooting for Chizik to succeed. Things are much more interesting when Auburn is a contender. And no I don’t subscribe to the theory that when one goes up, the other must go down.
The unique position Auburn has always been in is they don’t have to out recruit Alabama to beat us on the field. It helps but its not a requirement. The fact is, Alabama will always gets is fair share of good players no matter who the coach is. If Auburn just does enough to stay in the game and avoids the clean sweeps (ala Tubby), then I say Chizik has done a better job than his predecessor.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate to break it to you
BUT
If you’re thinking that on field strategy is going to beat Alabama on field, I doubt it.
Just wait until Auburn pulls a delay of time, followed by a timeout, followed by a delay of game coming out of the time out.. It sounds funny, but it cost ISU a game last year…
The biggest thing ISU fans were upset about was the lack organization Chizik had with his staff, and many blunders during games such as above….
by Mark Kieffer on May 6, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds just as bad if not worse than
our own “boy wonder”, who at times seemed completely f-ing lost on the sidelines… you dont want to know the horrid details of one poorly managed 2006 game @ arkansas….
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 6, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
didn’t say he’ll be a brilliant on-field coach. I was just saying that he doesn’t have to out recruit Alabama to beat Alabama. That has been proven.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible...
…that Cheek Gizin (sp.?) is both a hard worker and a big phony. There are plenty of hard-working liars out there.
by NiceLittleSaturday on May 6, 2009 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheese Nip? Did you say. . . .?
. . . “The name’s Cheese Nip”? Well alright then. Nipsey Russell it is!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 6, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was always wonderin', NiceL'il? . . . .There's "being busy", and. . . . .
. . . .“being VERRRY busy”, . . . . .but could it be, that- some people in this world are actually "very, very, Very Bizzzz-zay! ?
That’s just how Chiz ’rolls, yo!
Very, very, very busy man, he is.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 6, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to defend Chizik...
…but this is the time of year governed by the Saban Rule and head coaches are not allowed out on the recruiting trail. If he could have, I think Chizik would have been right there in that limo.
I understand that you are bitter, being an ISU fan, and I don’t blame you. I love Coach Saban, but this:
“I guess I have to say it. I’m not going to be the Alabama coach.”
will NEVER be forgotten by Dolphin fans and is regularly thrown up by our rivals as proof that our coach is a liar and has one foot out the door ready to leave us at any moment. I consider Coach Saban’s and Coach Chizik’s statements:
“there’s nowhere he’d rather be than with this group right now”. He told the fans and the media that “he’s firmly entrenched in Ames” only to leave about a month later.
“coach speak”. I believe a coach will say what the fans of his team want to hear. It’s not necessarily a lie because they probably feel that way when they say it. Then another job comes along that offers more and better. IMO, you can’t blame them for taking a better opportunity or for doing something that will make them happier. You surely don’t believe that every one of us wouldn’t do the same thing.
As far as the “Tiger Prowl”, I think it smacks of “buying” a recruit. Are they promising rides in limos and other things in recruiting these kids? I wonder.
You had me at "ROLL TIDE"!!!
by bamavicki on May 6, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think they promiss to take the recruits
up to T-town and over to oxford, really just out of west georgia, so the guys can look for co-eds.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 6, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with some points
BUT
That “coach speak”, particularly when he told them he wanted to be with that group, was happening while Auburn was making overtures to him.
He came to ISU to turn the program around and did not. For a school with no football tradition, it is a tough pill to swallow to get big timed by the coach. It would’ve been different had we some success under Chizik.
With the “Tiger Prowl”, I’m not sure what they are saying. They are spouting off the image like rolling around in limos is going to be the norm, when all it really is is a stunt. From what I’ve read, while some of the kids were impressed, many parents were not. Since in recruiting, parents typically play such a huge role, I’d really be surprised if something like this worked…
by Mark Kieffer on May 6, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The
limo smacks of desparation and lameness. And don’t take it personally that he “big timed” ISU. Coaches come to SEC schools for the conference as much as the school itself. The exposure that the SEC gets is second to none. Its considered the top of college football. It’d be hard for anyone to turn down that opportunity.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, he didn’t have to out recruit iowa to beat iowa. but that was when they were at a nadir themselves. the situation here is vastly different. we’ve shown we can put ourselves in a grevious position when we take opponents for granted. which is part of the reason saban made the initial comments that started this nonsense.
while there is a lot of attention being given to the limo situation the fact is it means nothing. no matter how much feinbaum wants to convince himself otherwise. mplscyclone’s point is that this is chizik’s modus operandi. make a splash, say he’s gonna bolster recruiting and even insist he’s “found a way to win” in the state. and it all means jack come the first week of september.
does past performance predict future? no. but i’ve a hard time believing the extra $900K in his pocket each year is serving to make him any smarter a field general. how bad is that, exactly? last year Iowa St.’s schedule allowed them to dodge the three toughest teams in the Big 12 – Oklahoma, Texas and Texas Tech. they STILL went 0-8.
does this mean we can take them for granted? of course not. but it does mean we don’t have to give cheap publicity stunts like treating recruiting as if it were the junior prom any more credit than they are actually due. if chizik’s plan is to slop up whatever is left in southern alabama after saban’s assistants have picked them over, he’s doing a fantastic job. and it’s business as usual for the man from clearwater.
by kleph on May 6, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would disagree that generally past performance doesn’t predict future…(though Chznik has convinced a lot of people otherwise; wonder if they evaluate recruits that way?)
Even if its not … that’s staking your future on a hell of a past.
by bamainexile on May 6, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
its selective history. He touts his record as a DC, naturally. I doubt he brings up ISU when he’s in kid’s homes but probably doesn’t shut up about Texas and Auburn.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Look at the guy that led us to our most recent national title: 1 winning season out of 7 in his previous head coaching stop. So past performances don’t always predict the future. However, on average, past is a pretty good indication most times.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
by TopDaddy on May 7, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
think we’re on the same page here.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saban Rule
Because Saban is such a tireless recruiter, the NCAA prohibited head coaches from visiting school. Chizik seems like a nice enough guy who is in way over his head. I expect absolute mediocrity out of the Boogs. I hope he beats a few folks (mainly UT) so that he will stick around and put the Boogs in a Shulaian malaisee. He may a 10 win season, but this will end badly. I hope it takes 10 years instead of 2 for the AU trustees to learn Bama’s lesson: in today’s SEC you can’t hire a mediocre coach because of ties with the program and be successful.
I expect Auburn’s recruiting to improve to the 15-20 ranking next year and they will pull in some in state talent. Auburn has a big recruiting advantage namely playing time. We could use the playing time card a few years ago. Not so today. Saban is really wise in playing true freshman and developing recruiting in the Atlanta area. Get used to seeing players leave after thier junior year. While I hate losing Andre & Rolando it is a sign of success for our program.
by heffie on May 6, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What is the point of the Saban rule?
Is it so the more lax coaches can compete with the hard workers? Don’t you think the players would like to get to know there coach before they sign on with them? What exactly is the motive behind the incorporating the Saban rule?
If Chuck Norris and Nick Saban got in to a fight, we would all have to hide underground. For 7 months the earth would be uninhabitable, ash would rain from the sky, sonic booms could be heard in the distance, and skeletons of those who were unfortunate enough to meet the two would litter the landscape. Let us pray to almighty God that these two never cross each others path.
by J.JACOBS4PRES on May 8, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
think you answered your own question. Also I think limiting contact with recruits to certain ‘seasons’ isn’t such a bad thing. Cause if you don’t you end up with kids having coaches sleeping in their cars outside their house.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 8, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
that the original intent of the rule is to keep the lazy coaches in the game, but hard work is going to win the best recruits regardless, a la our last recruiting class even with the Saban rule in place. The kids being recruited may sometimes be naive due to age and inexperience, but the vast majority of them aren’t stupid – even if a head coach doesn’t call constantly, etc., they can tell the ones that’ll help them succeed from the ones that won’t, and track record has everything to do with that. With Saban, we have a proven winner that everyone knows is a hard worker. That’s going to be a huge obstacle with folks like Kiffin and Chizik to overcome since they haven’t yet proven themselves. If either of them proves it on the field, then we might have something to worry about. But until that happens, Saban has the advantage with every recruit that both schools offer.
I bleed crimson and white...I puke Vol puke orange. RTR
by SugarBowl93 on May 8, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My outlook on the whole
“lets pull for auburn until they play Bama” is garbage. I will not support the auburn Tigers, or War Eagles, (whatever they are this week) in any capacity. So the idea that auburn needs to win because it makes a better Iron Bowl is the last thing on my mind. I’m gIad they chose Cheez-it. The only head coaching experience Cheez-it has is getting his A$$ handed to him on a regular basis. Yeah, thats the perfect coach for auburn. Great job!
by CousinEddie on May 6, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK OK OK
I messed up with the Saban rule. I forgot about this as it is relativley new.
by Mark Kieffer on May 6, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand why SOME of you guys are up in arms about the coaches riding in a limo.
It is seven coaches all riding together. There are not a lot of cars, vans or suv’s that are roomy enough for 7 large men (some of the very large, like Tracy Rocker) to make long distance drives in comfortably. If it was just 1 or 2 coaches riding around in the limo, I would be a little upset about it too. But again, we are talking about 7 of them.
There are a lot of Auburn fans who thought it was cheesy when we first heard about it, myself included. But after having time to think about it, what else are these 7 large guys supposed to ride in? Should they take a bus? Should they charter helicopters like Bear Bryant? It would be funny to see them all cram up in a Mini Cooper though.
And as far a Chizik being a hardworker, it is too early to tell. But just based on what I have seen, I give him the benefit of the doubt.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on May 6, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
I would pay some serious scratch to see the Mini Cooper thing
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on May 6, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're
being a bit disingenuous here. Coaches usually (never) go out recruiting together, not the whole staff anyway. It’s inefficient for one thing. There is a reason why a coach is assigned certain areas. It just makes sense. If you had a sales team would you put them all at the same place at the same time? No you’d probably spread them to cover more ground. So let’s call it what it was an orchestrated stunt.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You see it as an orchestated stunt...
I see it as building strong relationships with high school coaches.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on May 6, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh please...
I guess no 12 or 15 passenger vans were available to accommodate those “large” men? Way to rationalize. As far as building strong relationships with high school coaches, if any of those said coaches were so impressed with the limo that they would try to sway a recruit to the Barn, they should be fired for coaching malpractice.
You had me at "ROLL TIDE"!!!
by bamavicki on May 6, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"coaching malpractice"
I don’t know that you realize just how funny that was.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lock step with you bens, this traveling in "large" numbers thing. . . . .? . . .
. . . apart from my initial dry heave from hearing that (joke alert! coming right up!) “7 coaches all riding together” in a stretch Hummer ( ??? ohhhh! i can think of something to insert , but this is a family blog. dang!)- then that must mean. . . .7 of these same, VERY LARGE coaches COMING INTO YOUR HOUSE!
Oh, the grimace that ensued?
Hey Jack, jump on this: Isn’t that breaking some code violation of some sort, in some states? I mean, HELL! The potential butt-stink of having 7 Bigass Buford’s in one living room is beyond the definition of “odious stench”.
That’s just wrong. On many levels.
(but hey? sounds like Barners are conveniently owning up to the truths of conservation? Hummer, eh? still, I think this plan is pear-shaped? something squirrelly about it)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 6, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Checkers
Big Buford causes butt stink allright. Oooooooookaaaayy I’m done.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'll re-frame this for you then. . . .
. . . What’s the sense in sending 7 nicely-paid coaches and/or recruiters on a single visit gonna accomplish? Other than the benefit of publicity (which- i’d like to point out, is comprised of BOTH good and bad!), name something else good about it?
When the expense far exceeds the cost, of a “one and only one” benefit, then you won’t find too many benefits thereafter? It’s indefensible that, a program can approve a budget for this spectacularly-lame PR-move?
To be sure, why not strategise with the 7 coaches? Break ’em up, “send a few here/send a few there” kinda thing? Triangulate when you can, complement each and every visit- building/strengthening a network of recruiting personnel.
Just, be real. These kids deserve the chance to be successful, their parents deserve the best people entrusted to be the new mentors of their children. It’s kind of a “dignity” thing, yes- this is true too.
But when you finally realize that there isn’t much to defend in “BAD PR. . . .it happens!”, I honestly can’t quite recapture what “psychological labyrinth” I navigated to get outta that entire TOPIC MATTER! It was MASSIVE surf.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 6, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Bigass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0gb9v4LI4o&feature=related
My Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.
by J.JACOBS4PRES on May 8, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THAT IS FREAKING AWESOME!
(find him on ’dem internetz!!!)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 8, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkMUU9tUqk&feature=channel
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on May 8, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
This sh_t’s killin’ me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Did you HEAR ME CALL NUMBER 52????”
Classically epic!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 8, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly a caravan of secret service style GMC Black Yukons would be ‘cooler.’ At least the message would be “we are serious, we are all business” instead of the lame limo “we are video wannabes”
by bamainexile on May 6, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally!
. . . . . . . .is all.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 6, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boom
Roasted
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on May 6, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE YOU GO! LIVE FOR IT!!!!!
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They
would think Jet Li is in there.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever makes you...
feel better about these antics, champ…
It is what it is, so call it that way. It’s not a lack of options for carpooling purposes, it’s a cheesy attempt to meet 17 year olds at their level, and it dangerously borders on recruiting violations. But hell, the last (and only) NC to the Barn’s credit occured while they were on probation for recruiting violations, so maybe Cheez-It has taken notes, and is on to something…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
by TopDaddy on May 7, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The key
is to play the in the gray areas of the rules if you know what I mean.
My Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.
by J.JACOBS4PRES on May 8, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did it for one reason..
to get attention…They needed some positive press and went out and got it. Did it make them look a little silly? Um yes to those of us who aren’t between the ages of 16-18. Kids love this kind of stuff and Im sure it made a few highly touted recruits at least look their way. Doesn’t mean they will sign but looking is all Auburn wanted. I just hope Saban doesn’t try to out do him. We don’t need gimicks to impress recruits.
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on May 6, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No
we just need lawyers in Gasden ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!!!!
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah ill say it..
Boom Roasted!!!
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on May 6, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AAAAAWWWWWWWWEEEE YYYYYYYYYEAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
My Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.
by J.JACOBS4PRES on May 8, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One last thing.
You guys should not even care what we are doing with recruiting. With the phenominal job Saban has done, I would think the Auburn limo thing would be the last thing on your minds.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on May 6, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Utah Fan
And the Auburn limo perplexes me for a very simple reason:
It was filled entirely with men?
See, in Utah we don’t allow that sort of thing—not that there’s anything wrong . . . .
by MeanBobMean on May 6, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah getting crazy in utah
is letting girls wear knee length skirts…watch out now!
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on May 6, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
Here in Tuscaloosa we don’t allow that sort of thing because there is something wrong with it.
by CousinEddie on May 6, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude its the offseason..
we are all bored out of our minds!
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on May 6, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IT WAS ALL OVER THE NEWS
I couldn’t avoid it! It still burns my eyes!!!!
Plus it shows how incompetent Cheezit is.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on May 6, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, "The Chiz-bang" wasn't putting the . . .
. . . .BANG! to the recruitin’? Hmmmph.
Indeed! Have you any . . . .tales of woe to tell about? Please, indulge us?
(fantastic fanpost!) Hell. Yeah. Captain!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 6, 2009 12:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I read a post a second ago
saying that a stretch limo was really just a form of transportation for seven assistant coaches. I’m pretty sure auburn athletics has access to one of those “short” busses.
by CousinEddie on May 6, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So... where to start
There is the always present irony of this post even being on RBR (since “all AU fans do is talk about bama”, but bama fans always have such better crap going on, “like winning NC’s”), coupled with the fact that you invited someone from another blog over to write up the piece on a school that isn’t even on par with yours (to paraphrase), and its like supernova irony time.
Ok that said, I cant say i disagree with you on the boboness of the limos. when i heard about em my heart sank. However, we have gotten some good press out of it and i’m sure that there are at least a couple kids who are thinking of Auburn that werent before the tiger prowl (for the record, super gay name).
Chizik has yet to prove himself and I, for one, am not optimistic about next season. Maybe in two years we’ll be better off, but I’m not expecting miracles in year one.
I will say that I think a lot of folks are blinded by his record at ISU. They assume he did shitty there so he’ll do shitty everywhere. May I remind you Saban’s record in Miami in 06 was 6-10. And yes i am aware the NFL and NCAA are completely diff and that the dolphins blew more than a blowhole. I’m just saying a change can be a good thing but it isnt always overnight (Saban 6-6 reg season in 07). It takes time, (08 12-0) it’s a process (der der derrrr)
Chizik was a good assistant coach, he had talent upon talent, but it still takes someone telling them what to do. He has hired a great supporting cast and has proven he can turn a shit storm of a recruiting season into one that any coach in that position would be pleased with. So far i think he has made the right moves, but we havent played any ball yet.
In conclusion, only time will tell, no one knows for sure what it will be like, but judging by the number of posts on this article, and other Auburn related crap lately, it seems some bama fans are starting to sit up and take notice (even if they would never admit it).
ps-Am i wrong or wouldnt it have been against NCAA rules “if Chizik would’ve just gotten in his car, looked the recruit in the eye, and said that he wanted him to join his program?”
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on May 6, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think its called the Saban rule.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on May 6, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not ironic that this post is here...
…it’s by an invitation. mplscyclone made a comment via his twitter feed that chizik’s comments and approach in auburn was painfully reminiscent of his arrival in ames. we asked him to expand on that a bit for our readers. something we felt was timely due to all the press about how chizik is winning this PR battle against saban in the state or whatever.
in ames there was the PR “coup” of the chizik coins on the advent of his first recruiting season. tell me if this quote from july 07 wouldn’t dovetail nicely into any of the stories on chizik popping up of late on al.com:
Well, we feel good about where we are, recruiting-wise. Obviously I can’t talk about any names but I feel like we’re very much ahead of, obviously, where we were in December when we first got here and we were in ‘scramble mode’ trying to find out where the players were. We have great . . . we have intimate knowledge of where the players are that we want, and now it’s just a matter of trying to out-recruit people to get them.
those bold promises gave way to a team made up of no less than 12 junior-college transfers and the sobering embarrassment of getting outscored 133-37 in their first three games. what, exactly, is this man doing differently now that gives anyone any reason to believe things will be different? nothing. it’s just a lot of wishful thinking. and they had a lot of that at iowa state at one time as well.
by kleph on May 6, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the chizik nickle...
currently worth the same amount as one share of chrysler stock…
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 7, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I’ve never twatted.
I def don’t think he is winning any sort of pr battle. I think he grabbed some national headlines some good some bad, but they won’t really matter unless he can do something ON THE FIELD that will lure recruits. He could land a damn helicopter at every HS in the state next year, but it wont matter if he comes with an ISUish record next season.
As far as the actual recruiting goes I’m not putting my faith in Chizik. I’m putting it in his assistants. They will have to do the work all he needs to do is win some damn games.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on May 7, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the prob is..
the head coach is the closer…if you don’t have faith he can close the deal then thats bad news.
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on May 7, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People who live in glass houses.....
A few days ago Jay Coulter posted a piece on Track’ Em Tigers claiming the Tiger Prowl is a great success and telling Alabama fans “Who’s stupid now?!” I found this comical, but it disproves your argument that its just Alabama fans who care about their rival’s business. I guess this makes superdupernova irony.
Your argument that Saban’s stint with the Dolphins and Chizik’s tenure at ISU are analogous is also laughable.
by CJackson on May 7, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
wouldn’t use Jay Coulter to support any argument whatsoever unless it was my strong belief in government mandated contraception for Auburn grads.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 7, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt say that
Auburn fans don’t concern themselves with Alabama, we do. As in state rivals I cant think of any reason why I wouldn’t concern myself with what is going on at Alabama. I was alluding to how often I hear Alabama fans state that AU fans are obsessed w/ bama and that bama fans could care less.
Also, I said that the Dolphins and ISU weren’t parallel. I was referring to the situation of moving from a crap team to a less crap team and how a coach can fair much better in a new environment. I think you took it too literal.
And I live in a tree house so i throw what I want when I want.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on May 7, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throw to your hearts content
It’s an idiom. “I think you took it too literal[ly].”
by CJackson on May 7, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
: ) fair enough
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on May 7, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we say that auburn fans are
obsessed with us and you say we are obsessed with you..
tomato tomato…(hmm doesn’t quite make that much sense when you write it out…)
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
by bammer on May 7, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tuh-may-doe. . . .
. . . .tuh-mah-toe
It’s Auburn and asshole that I can’t seem to separate? They BOTH sound AND SPELL the same thing!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 7, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than
Alabama and Asshole. They smell the same way. Ba dum ch
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on May 7, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s not something nice to say about the state you reside in.
by kleph on May 7, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gumptown got me in the rhyme-ing part
Good one GT! You are a good egg. Funny too! (funny like Re-run on What’s Happ’nen. Not like JJ on Good Times, though)
seriously, I don’t know WTF I meant with that last one. but I was cracking up at myself!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 7, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone knows we live in the state of auburn….wait….
My Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.
by J.JACOBS4PRES on May 8, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
think most of the commentary from Alabama fans aren’t rooted in the fact that they are worried, but more that they have delt with their program shooting itself in the foot for oh say the past decade or so, and now that roles seem to have reversed, they aren’t wasting time pooring salt in Auburn’s self-inflicted wounds.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 7, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We damn sure are shooting ourselves in the foot lately
the past couple years it seems like we’ve been using a shotgun (wielded for the most part by Lowder and Jacobs), but I think the gun is on safety for the time being. That doesn’t mean Chizik won’t pop off a couple rounds once the season starts, but I’ll just have to wait and hope he doesn’t F us in the A.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on May 7, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"F us in the A"...
…stands for…Find us in the Astrodome? Fondle us in the Airport? Free us in the Aquarium?
by NiceLittleSaturday on May 7, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He means...
Feed us in the Arcade…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
by TopDaddy on May 7, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flagellate us in the arsel.
(wearing a dominatrix outfit. well. . . .the boots at least)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 7, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or...
Forsake us in the arctic? Facilitate us in the annulment? French us in the archipelago?
by NiceLittleSaturday on May 8, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bow down before you!
You ARE THE KING OF NON-SEQUITORS!
The King!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 8, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicel Li'l
Those are THE FUNNIEST non-sequitors I’ve read in a LOOOOOOOONG TIME.
Damn! That sh_t had me rolling! (I just read them, like 2 minutes ago. How’d I miss those today? Good. One. (er. . . 3)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on May 7, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is kind of the point of having an iowa state person chime in. if there was any reason to believe all of this recent nonsense will have a payoff, it might be worth suffering through (both for you guys in terms of payoff, and for us in terms of understanding what the opponent is up to). but there isn’t.
contrast it with kiffin. he’s a complete boob and making an ass of himself as well. but he has pulled in a few banner recruits and has some decent quality on his staff. so we suffer through the bullshit. and, unlike chizik, there really isn’t a means to measure his his historical ability to come up with a reasonable projection for what to expect on the sideline come september.
if chizik and his merry band of idiots had kept a low profile and worked their ass off to rebuild relationships with the HS coaches in the state and, possibly, targeted one or two high profile recruits it would have been a MASSIVE coup. then he could suffer through as bad a season as we expect promising improvement and better results next year.
because even if he gives up being competitive for the cream of the crop in alabama to saban, saban’s not out scrambling for every bit of quality in the state anymore. he’s got some depth on the roster so now he can target specific spots and specific talent. and its obvious he’s gotten the program at a level he’s a force nationally as well. this is a HUGE opportunity for auburn.
if chizik and company set a goal of shutting down the borders to everyone else and pulling in as much of that talent saban has to pass on (and snagging a prime 5star now and then who is itching to start and doesn’t grock waiting around in The Process) they could build a competitive program that would play very well in the SEC west. success would beget success and, possibly even resurgence at the right time down the road.
but that would mean focusing on fundamentals, building broken relationships and acceding dominance of the state to the tide at least for the short term. jacobs is on too short of a leash for that. dumping tuberville put him on the hot seat and hiring chizik sat it behind the 8-ball. now it’s gotta be a splash and instant results. thus, it’s very likely auburn will wander the wilderness for quite some time more.
by kleph on May 7, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep hearing from the AU guys that “its creating some good press.” As far as I can tell the ridicule is universal, meaning not just AL but from other SEC schools. Rarely am I embarrased for someone else, but I am for AU. Its really silly and really transparent and really lame. Thats an honest analysis, no fear I promise. After that its all jokes… like if by ‘sitting up and taking notice’ you mean falling over laughing, then yea you got our attention… or in lieu of buying vehicles for recruits AU hopes to impress by showing that with Coach Chizniks Herts Gold Club membership no rental is out of reach at AU…
I admit its starting to get boring
by bamainexile on May 6, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you guys pretty well
have the monopoly on buying cars for recruits. Dodge Charger anyone?
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on May 6, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously you missed the joke in an attempt to “keep up with the Sabans” you guys rent
but i suspect you usually miss the joke esp when its on you
by bamainexile on May 6, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I got the joke
and I made one in return. I think it is you who missed the joke.
I will say I didn’t know the joke was on me. I thought it was about my team. See i separate the two.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on May 7, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
speaking of that, can’t we do better than friggin’ Dodge Charger? At least throw something german at these guys, they’re worth it.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 7, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or a subaru
maybe one of them new skyline GTR’s…
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those
new Skyline’s are piles of doo doo I’ve heard. Wayyy overhyped.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 11, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd think they would go with something made in-state
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on May 7, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hyundai?
We want the car to still be running come signing day…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
by TopDaddy on May 7, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It HAS to be a...
…Mercedes, since the factory is “responsible for more than 10,000 direct and indirect jobs in the region” of Tuscaloosa County.
You had me at "ROLL TIDE"!!!
by bamavicki on May 7, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I have a friend who works for Johnson Controls who supplies parts to that factory.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on May 8, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree,
the whole “limo” thing is getting old, but it’s the first full week of May and there is no one else to laugh at.
by CousinEddie on May 6, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To be honest...
I could think of many worse things to do for pub. I mean at least they aren’t calling out defending national champion rivals they are scheduled to play away this season and dancing around ripping their shirts off like SOME schools…
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on May 6, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah.
i saw some quote from urb the other day, he wasn’t being asked about tennessee at all, but somehow wound up up going there in his response. he was mocking, “making outrageous false claims and tearing our shirts off” you know kiffykins is going to get ab-so-lute-ly SLAUGHTERED.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on May 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I predict...
…the Vols go to tearaway jerseys this season, ripping them off in unison during pregame warmups and screaming, “Yaw, yaw, yaw…”.
by NiceLittleSaturday on May 7, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've already got money...
on an early line for that game. Let’s just say that I saw any line at under 3 touchdowns as an absolute STEAL!
DISCLAIMER: Gambling is bad, mmmkay!
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
by TopDaddy on May 7, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
missed this before...
but Black Heart Gold Pant’s contributor savagepoop has a fantastic dissection of the rimjob ESPN gave chizik last month.
by kleph on May 13, 2009 6:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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