NCAA Ruling on the Alabama Textbook Scandal
The decision by the NCAA Infractions Committee concerning the improper distribution of textbooks by University of Alabama student-athletes was announced this afternoon. The penalties include three years probation, vacation of records, and a $43,900 fine. No scholarships will be lost.
A total of 201 student athletes from 16 sports including football were involved and the total value of the improper benefits was $40,000. The committee found that 22 of the athletes receiving almost $22,000 in benefits who were aware they were impermissible.
University of Alabama officials said they were disappointed at the severity of the penalties given no competitive advantage was gained for any sport and "not one athlete pocketed one dollar" in the scheme. Athletic Director Mal Moore said the university would "carefully consider our options regarding an appeal."
According to the university's response to the NCAA, scholarship student-athletes were acquiring texts and materials of a value greater than $100 for girlfriends, boyfriends, or other student-athletes. The athletes were also receiving non-required textbooks and materials in addition to the required items for their classes.
When the textbook scheme was brought to light in the middle of the 2007 Crimson Tide football season, five players were suspended for four games due to their participation.
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As I said in the earlier thread...
… notice it says the following in the statement…
The total retail value of these impermissible benefits is approximately $40,000. It was found that $21,950 of this value was obtained by student-athletes who were aware they were receiving impermissible benefits.
I find it very interesting that they apparently draw a distinction between those who received a impermissible benefit and those were aware that they were receiving a impermissible benefit. That could be extremely important when it comes to vacating wins, because that says games will only be vacated that involved "intentional wrongdoers."
Also interesting, that text says seven football student-athletes were involved. We know of only five… Glen Coffee, Antoine Caldwell, Marlon Davis, Chris Rogers, Marquis Johnson. My speculation last night that there could have possibly been players from the 2005 and 2006 seasons — who left before 2007 — that could have been involved turned out to be right.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If those numbers are correct, then 179 athletes received less than half the total amount, and the other 22 “intentional” wrongdoers got more than half. That seems to me to be two entirely separate things. And makes receiving any punishment for what seemed to be a very minor thing a little more rational.
And I still utterly disagree with students receiving “recommended” books being an excess benefit. As a former college teacher, I can’t imagine how such a rule improves the educational experience of “student-athletes.”
by Watchman on Jun 11, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
Basically 22 athletes got 22,000 worth of value, about $1,000 each. The other 179 athletes got about 18,000 worth of value, about $100 each. Massive difference between those two, obviously.
What I want to know is exactly who the “intentional wrongdoers” were. After reading the statement, it does not seem to me we will have to vacate games involving those who were merely involved in the scandal and received an extra benefit, only those in which “intentional wrongdoers” were involved. As we now know, there were seven football players involved in this, the five already known and two mystery players. What we have to know before we can find out anything about vacating wins is who among those seven were intentional wrongdoers.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I listened to the live teleconference and I must say, this one was much better than the last one. I’ll never forget:
“Alabama was absolutely staring down the barrel of a gun.”
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 11, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No kidding...
… this is slightly unpleasant at worst. That last one… it was like you stepped in front of a freight train.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I basically got from hearing the commissioner is that even though the football players weren’t heavily involved (only 7 total), they knew this ruling would hit us where it could hurts. That solidifies the notion that they follow no precedent in handing down punishments.
Also, why does the NCAA receive the fine amount x2? They didn’t suffer the economic harm, the taxpayers who fund the university may be the only party to “suffer” economically. Kind of pisses me off that they would receive a fine based on cash that would never touch their hands otherwise.
Oh and who was the reporter that asked the question about how other repeat offenders might view this ruling as lenient, etc. etc.?
by brandonh on Jun 11, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be willing to bet...
…the reason we were shown “leniency” was due to the fact, as cited by the committee chairman, the university performed an appropriate and thorough investigation, complied fully with the committee’s requests and showed a vast improvement in our compliance departments ability to adequately police the university’s programs.
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jun 11, 2009 2:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Intentional Wrongdoers"
The NCAA report says there were only 22 “intentional wrongdoers,” and that 14 of them were from men and women’s track and field. So, that means we are only talking about 8 athletes left who would fall into that category.
Hopefully the only “intentional wrongdoer” in the football program was either Chris Rogers or Marquis Johnson, neither of which played in 2005. I highly doubt that to be the case, though.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Football players racked up...
The value of the impermissible benefit obtained by these intentional wrongdoers ranged from a low of $32.30 by a women’s track student-athlete to a high of $3,947.19 by a football student-athlete. The committee noted that the four highest amounts ($3,947.19, $3,344.10, $3,061.38 and $2,714.62) were obtained by football student-athletes.
Well, now that’s some shit. Football only had a handful of kids involved, but they were the ones really racking up. Those four football players in question in that passage racked up right around $12,000. We were all hoping the football guys barely got any benefit, but obviously they were the ones really doing it in terms of value. Those four players represent about 2% of the athletes involved, but reaped about 30% of the total benefit.
With that in mind, my initial reaction is that the NCAA could have certainly came down much harder on football.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Take it Back
This was not just a chicken@#$ investigation for $2 booklets. Sounds like we did indeed have it coming. The NCAA still sucks like nothing else…but we lucked out based on this piece of news.
by Watchman on Jun 11, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in retrospect...
the andre situation seems pretty tame, doesn’t it?
by kleph on Jun 11, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure as hell does...
.. I’ll give the NCAA credit here, I think they did a good job of sorting out the kids who got the $2 booklets from the kids who racked up $4,000 in textbooks for their friends.
I still think it’s stupid as hell that most of that stuff is considered an “extra benefit,” but the point remains.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of
Andre and the textbook thing, its nice to see the athletic dept. take action when they see danger ahead. Definitely wasn’t the case 10-15 years ago…
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 11, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hard part of an audit surveillance program is...
…getting it stood up and tuned to your needs. This event is meerly a point of fine tuning required. As you said 10-15 years ago, we just winged it and let come what may.
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jun 11, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Saban, will make them regret every penny for thse still on the team...
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jun 11, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he already has...
… you have to keep in mind this is only news to us. Hell, he’s known about this for almost two years now.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is bringin' the pitchforks?
I’ve got the torches!!!
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jun 11, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So
if Shula got any performance incentives in his contract for getting to a bowl game, winning X number of games, etc… does he have to pay back that money?
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 11, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm
only half kidding in asking this question btw…
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 11, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Nor does Vanderbilt get to go to Independence Bowl to play Colorado in ’07.
by Bama Hawkeye on Jun 11, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As we speak
a houndstooth hat is being passed from Mobile to Birmingham, from there it will go to montgomery and by the time it arrives in tuscaloosa we’ll have the money for the fine
"What's got two thumbs and loves boobs? THIS GUY!"
by Wallacewade04 on Jun 11, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hell
all they have to do is pass it to the Red Elephant Club in Baldwin county and that fine would be paid quicker than you can sing rammer jammer.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 11, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
of course ESPN is acting like the building is on fire…
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 11, 2009 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the buildings not on fire...
THE ROOF THE ROOF THE ROOF IS ON FIRE!
no schollies, no problem
"What's got two thumbs and loves boobs? THIS GUY!"
by Wallacewade04 on Jun 11, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no schollies, no problem...
… sounds like a good t-shirt slogan.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we wait until after our appeals are exhausted to print them up?
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jun 11, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
poking the bear that is the NCAA isn’t the best idea… also don’t want Saban to come down on us again.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 11, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good take
on what Bama, or the next school stripped of wins should do.
by Bama Hawkeye on Jun 11, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Vacate this!"
I like it :)
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jun 11, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
of course Finebaum is talking about Mal Moore’s future…
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 11, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Finebaum is just looking to stir the pot, of course...
… but nevertheless, crackpot radio talking heads notwithstanding, I think that is probably a very legitimate discussion to be having at this point.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
when 16 of 19 of your teams just got put on probation in one day, its a conversation to have for sure.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 11, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And actually I was wrong...
According to the NCAA, we have only 17 teams. I suppose they count track and field together whereas our website shows them as separate.
So yes, 16 out of 17 teams were involved, a legitimate discussion indeed.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok. which one isn’t under probation. curling? beer pong?
by kleph on Jun 11, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
crew
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jun 11, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn... thought we had it with beer pong...
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beer pong...
…got the death penalty for improper funneling of…something.
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 11, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you are serious...
that’s simply awesome. we should make them our spring team to follow next year.
by kleph on Jun 11, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
… no shit, they deserve it based on that alone. And besides guys, let’s cut the crap, we all know how the softball story is going to end for the umpteenth year in a row…
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally serious, m/w rowing is it
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jun 11, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is
we have to suppress our good ‘ole boy roots and treat this as the business it is rather than the social club/business we currently treat it as. We started by hiring non legacy coaches in football and men’s basket ball, but we have to fully make the transition. THe hard part is doing so while not alienating the person’s who got us here in the first place.
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jun 11, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vacated wins...
… it obviously doesn’t really matter, but I think you can safely count on the 20 wins from 2005 to right before the Tennessee game in 2007 will be vacated.
At least four football players were part of the vaunted “wrongdoers,” and you can rest assured that at least one of those guys played in all of those games. I was hoping it would only be Rogers or Johnson and that would save 2005, but obviously that’s not the case.
by outsidethesidelines on Jun 11, 2009 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right
… and, from my understanding, none of the wins from the ’07 UT game forward would be in jeapordy, as the players in question were suspended and then reinstated by the NCAA.
Dr. BamaFrazier is IN!
by BamaFrazier on Jun 11, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few undefeated/1-2 loss seasons later we are back in business, vacated wins or not.
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
by TheRedTideConsumes on Jun 11, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
$32.50?????
What kind of intentional wrongdoer (women’s track athlete) takes $32.50 worth of books? That just seems more than a little strange.
by Watchman on Jun 11, 2009 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
banner day for the NCAA
first this travesty of an investigation, then an edict blocking coverage of institutional camps and a report they violated open record laws investigating Florida State’s infractions. to say latin american bureaucracies are run with higher standards and better efficiency isn’t hyperbole – it’s a statement of fact.
by kleph on Jun 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
didn't Alberto Fujimori
seek and receive exile on the NCAA infractions committee when he was ousted after his third term? i know he had to fly somewhere that’d have him…
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Jun 11, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UA response press conference: http://media.myfoxal.com/live/indexlive.html
by kleph on Jun 11, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mal Moore:
We will carefully consider our options regarding an appeal.
by kleph on Jun 11, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Robert Witt:
It is important to note that no coach or staff member was involved in this. No sport gained a competitive advantage and not one athlete pocketed one dollar.
by kleph on Jun 11, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I may be asking a stupid question but.....
does the three year probation mean no post-season chances?
by usmaTider on Jun 11, 2009 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That
actually isn’t a stupid question. No we are not banned from post season games, if you remember back in 2001, we were put on 5 years probation if memory serves, but were banned from post season play for 1 year. So one doesn’t mean the other.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 11, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me
5 years probation with a 2 year bowl ban.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 11, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but at least we got to go to
Hawaii, and win 1 out of 2….
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Jun 11, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LittleSis...
…and I were at the one we lost in the pouring down rain. The most fun was singing Sweet Home Alabama before the game over and over and over. The Hawaii fans HATED that song like we hate Rocky Top. Speaking of their fans, they had some obnoxious ones that we almost came to blows with. The SEC does not have a monopoly on a$$hole fans.
You had me at "ROLL TIDE"!!!
by bamavicki on Jun 11, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
remember the t-shirts…
“Aloha Auburn!” or something to that effect..
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 12, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow Wikipedia is fast
On June 11, 2009, Alabama was sanctioned regarding what many have called “Textbook gate” which stretches across 16 of 19 sports. They are set to be forced to forfeit a minimum of 10 games during the Mike Shula and Nick Saban coaching eras and will be put on three years probation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Jun 11, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nor did they waste time with the added losses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_team
(expeletives being screamed toward the NCAA HQ in Indy)
by usmaTider on Jun 11, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's not accurate, though is it?
I was under the impression that vacated wins did not count as losses, it’s just like the game never happened? We didn’t go 2-11 that year, we went 2-6 (with five vacated wins).
by rugman11 on Jun 11, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any idiot can alter a wiki page
now if a vacated win is supposed to count as a loss… I am not sure
by 2KTrans Am on Jun 11, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw I imagine
several Barners were already waiting to edit that wiki page, as soon they knew what to edit it to….
by 2KTrans Am on Jun 11, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
final tally of vacated wins: 21
the university confirms it. via Mobile PR
That total includes 10 wins in the 2005 season, including the Cotton Bowl against Texas Tech, six wins in 2006 and the first five wins of the 2007 season due to the participation of an ineligible player.
by kleph on Jun 11, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How can they vacate the Cotton Bowl win...
….if the NCAA doesn’t have any control over the Bowls?
by Todd on Jun 11, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if they don't have any control over the bowls,
then Andre would have been able to play, right?
by jsholt969 on Jun 12, 2009 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
…but that decision was made by CNS.
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 12, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that makes shula’s official tally 10-39. BTW, losing the wins from 2005 hurts… for me at least. That was one of my favorite seasons of all time… that defense was so good… and now, they get stripped of wins, because of a couple of textbooks… it’s a shame
by cjbama on Jun 11, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is total BS...
Those wins counted. Don’t care what the NCAA has to say about it. “An ineligible player?” As in, ONE “ineligible” player? So the whole team loses all the games in 2005 due to something that had no effect on the game? Stupid, stupid, stupid.
by crimsontsunami on Jun 11, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow Textbooks
Self-Reported too.
I can only imagine what would happen if you allowed a star player to receive hundreds of thousands of dollars right from under the nose of the coach, compliance officers, and school officials. That would be something.
You’ll get over it Bama, you got your scholarships and Saban.
But my question is: When will Troy fall?
by Bruins102NCAA on Jun 11, 2009 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, the day will come...
And on that day the sky will turn crimson, and the wrath of Coach Saban will rain down on Troy. Never again will you need to worry, Bruins fan. The day is coming soon. Some time next January, I hope.
by crimsontsunami on Jun 11, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, a bruin!
todd, can we arbitrarily delete his posts for any perceived slight so we can be just like nestor?
by kleph on Jun 11, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i must be...
…the only one here who hasn’t had a bad nestor experience. we’ve always been friendly and I like what they do at Bruins Nation.
by Todd on Jun 12, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That
will never happen bro. They are the darling child of the NCAA.
if you are ever wondering where Pete Carrols Balls are located at any one time, you should probably check Kirk Hirbstreits chin first
"What's got two thumbs and loves boobs? THIS GUY!"
by Wallacewade04 on Jun 11, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ROFL
Didn’t you hear that Kirk Herbstreit got the not-so-prestigious “Golden Squeegee” for the best on-air felating of a U$C* football team?
Hard to condemn such a distinguished commentator.
by Bruins102NCAA on Jun 12, 2009 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
USC will not get
anything serious. Their BB coach resigned to sooth the NCAA wrath. Look for them to lose 1 scholly tops.
As far as vacated wins I think we can get them back on appeal. Even if we don’t we can still claim them in our media guide if we want. Personally, I think we ought to start claiming the wins we forfeited in 93. I think you should only have to forfiet if a coach plays a player he knows is not illegible. Because lets be honest plenty of players from every school have played illegally never to be penalized when caught. (And, what about the ones who were never caught.)
For those who are caught after the fact the punishment should be against them and not the team. For example, Coffee’s stats for 05 & 07 should be wiped away but not the team wins. Furthermore, players who play illegally and they know it should be forced to pay back their scholarship. When you start punishing the players the illegal stuff will stop pretty quick.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
by 5026 on Jun 11, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was going to post this exact same thing...
Furthermore, players who play illegally and they know it should be forced to pay back their scholarship. When you start punishing the players the illegal stuff will stop pretty quick.
Why isn’t that a viable option? We’re having to pay a fine for something “intentional wrongdoers” perpetrated, plus suffering probation and vacating wins? We should demand those players suffer some restitution. We’ve gone WAAAY beyond what we thought was just a few books that friends were not able to get. They knew the system had a flaw and they worked the loophole.
I’m tired of hearing the crap about “poor” athletes not having any money. Poor is when you have to move out of your dorm(Tutwiler) to move to another for a few days because they’re closing it over Thanksgiving and you live 800 miles away and you can’t afford to go home and Thanksgiving dinner consists of Cocoa Krispies and peanut butter because you’ve spent your last dollar calling your boyfriend who’s also 800 miles away.
Take it from someone reliable who knows – our football players are sooo pampered and most everything is done for them. They do get a stipend per month for “living expenses” even when they live in the dorm(required their first 2 years). It’s not a small amount. I guess that’s ok by the NCAA.
Antoine Caldwell, permanent captain for 2 years? What a great role model. Those players knew we were on probation and still played loose with the rules. They don’t even deserve to have worn the crimson jersey IMO. And Jon Dever should be FIRED, not just denied a raise!!!
You had me at "ROLL TIDE"!!!
by bamavicki on Jun 12, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
…I agree with most of this, but we don’t know that AC was one of the four players intentionally taking advantage of the system. After his suspension in 2007, he still seemed perplexed about what he may have done wrong, whereas a few of the other fellas stayed quiet. I’m not saying he didn’t do anything wrong, but maybe he was one of the athletes who unintentionally broke the rule.
Or maybe he deserves a butt-whippin’. We may never know.
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 12, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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