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With the commitment of safety Jarrick Williams this past Friday night, Alabama added its 16th commitment of the 2010 recruiting class. Despite the fact that the Tide is coming off back-to-back number one recruiting classes, nevertheless the 2010 class is off to a muct faster start than either the 2008 or 2009 class. Looking at the Scout.com commitment list, Williams marks the 16th commitment of the Tide's 2010 class, nine of which are rated four-stars or higher. By comparison, in 2009 we had only seven commitments at this point, with only two ranked as four-stars or higher. Likewise, in 2008, we had only ten commitments at this point, with only two ranked as four-stars or higher. Again, believe or not, this class is shaping up to be even better than the previous two.

Furthermore with Williams off the board, there are very few in-state prospects left on the board at this point. Of course things can change as the season develops, but as of right now there are only three in-state prospects remaining who currently sport firm offers to the Tide, and they are LaDarius Owens, C.J. Mosley, and Corey Grant.

LaDarius Owens continues to be a fairly heavy Auburn lean. Despite clearly being a pretty high priority for the Tide, Owens nevertheless grew up a big Auburn fan in a big Auburn family, and his uncle was the first African-American football player at Auburn. Alabama is recruiting him very hard, and Owens is clearly intrigued by the Tide -- by my count, he's made at least nine unofficial visits to Tuscaloosa, almost twice as many as he has taken to Auburn - - but Auburn nevertheless remains the leader here. For Alabama, the best case scenario for now is to just to push his decision back as far as possible, and attempt to slowly chip away at things. That is what happened two years ago with Jerrell Harris, and that will have to be the case with Owens as well.

C.J. Mosley remains as quiet as ever. He's clearly a talented prospect that the Tide very much wants, but it's just almost impossible to get a read on him. Most think he will sign with Alabama, but we'll have to wait and see. He does not look to make a decision until after the season.

Corey Grant, on the other hand, does look to be making a decision relatively soon. The speedster from Opelika is being recruited by the Tide to play slot wide receiver, and he's clearly a priority for us at the position. He says he still plans to make a decision before the season starts, but things could still change. Right now he claims his top three is Alabama, Florida, and Auburn, and that they are all even. That said, most think it's really an Alabama v. Florida battle, and it's hard to say where he is leaning right now. My gut instinct is that he may be a Florida lean based on the way he references the Gators -- and he would be a good fit there, where they plan to use him in a Percy Harvin-type role (though to be fair, every offensive recruit for the Gators says they will be used in a Percy Harvin-type role, so keep that in mind) -- but on the other hand there have been some rumblings on Florida sites that Grant will commit to Alabama in the near future. At this point, it's almost impossible to say one way or the other, and it looks to be a toss-up between Alabama and Florida.

One thing the 2010 class will certainly bring is a slew of prospects who will enroll early. As of right now, Craig Sanders, Austin ShepherdChad Lindsey, Philip Sims, and Jalston Fowler all look to enroll early. A few more Alabama commitments are also exploring the possibility of enrolling early as well, and a few of the remaining prospects on our board also hope to enroll early. It's hard to say exactly how many players will enroll early from the 2010 class, but I think it's safe to say at this point that we will have more early enrollments this year than we've ever had before at Alabama.

One sleeper in-state prospect may very well be Carlos Gray. Coming out of Pinson, Gray is a huge kid, standing at around 6'3 and over 300 pounds. He projects to be a defensive tackle prospect at the next level, and he has blown people away recently with his camp performances. After a camp in Knoxville, he earned an offer from Tennessee, and clearly the Alabama coaching staff is highly impressed with him after two standout camp performances. He is a very raw prospect, but we have been impressed with his ability, and it looks like if he has another standout camp performance in Tuscaloosa in mid-July, he may very well get a firm offer from the Tide. Based on his comments, it certainly seems like Gray is ours if we want him, and he's clearly a very talented individual who will end up at a top SEC program regardless. Keep your eye on him in the coming weeks.

Speaking of defensive tackle prospects, this past weekend Evan Hailes committed to Penn State. Hailes is the teammate of Alabama QB commitment Philip Sims, and he is a highly-touted prospect in his own right. Both Rivals and Scout.com have Hailes as a four-star prospect, and it was presumed that Alabama would get him if we wanted him. However, Hailes never picked up a firm offer from the Tide, and we wanted him to come back this summer at a camp before we made an ultimate decision on him. Hailes may camp in Tuscaloosa later regardless, but for now he committed to the Nittany Lions. It's hard to say why we didn't press for Hailes, honestly. My gut instinct is that we had some worries about his height and worried that he may not be able to fill out his frame any further, and that thus he wouldn't be an ideal candidate to play inside in the 3-4. One way or the other, we passed on Hailes, and it just goes to show you that you can be a damn good prospect willing to commit to Alabama and still not get an offer these days.

Keep your eye on Victor Beasley of Adairsville, Georgia in the coming days. Beasley is quite a physical specimen at 6'5 and 217 pounds, and he blew away the Tide coaches recently in a camp in Tuscaloosa, in large part due to him running a 4.51 in the 40. The staff immediately offered him, and Beasley admittedly wanted to commit then, but his father wanted him to wait a bit longer, which is what he did. Our staff loves him as a linebacker prospect, and it seems like he should be announcing in the near future, and clearly the Tide is the team to beat for this young man. Beasley's father, Vic Beasley, played defensive back for Auburn in the mid-1980's, and though he sports an offer from the Tigers, the orange and blue are not seriously in play here. In fact, Beasley explicitly bashed the Big Cat Weekend in a recent interview when discussing his trip to Alabama, saying that the Tide was only focused on winning national championships, and not "bells, whistles and Big Cat weekends" like Auburn. Bottom line, if we want him then he is ours, and it certainly seems like we want this young man pretty bad.

DeMarco Cobbs of Tulsa, Oklahoma is a name Alabama fans should get familiar with. Cobbs is one of the top players in the country who looks to play wide receiver on the next level -- though he could play several other positions with his athleticism -- and he could go to any school in the country. A few hours after leaving the big USC camp this past weekend, he says he now favors them slightly, but he had indicated prior to then that the Tide might have a slight lead. At the very least, we seem to be one of the teams who will be in it 'til the end for Cobbs' services, and it helps that Oklahoma has struggled somewhat to get players out of Tulsa, so in-state pressures are not likely to be a major issue here. The biggest thing we have going for us here is that Cobbs admittedly has a very close relationship with Nick Saban.

Markeith Ambles, on the other hand, continues to be an enigma. The talented wide receiver out of Georgia is clearly of the elite variety, but he is also clearly being plagued by some off-field issues. No one knows specifically what they are yet, but whatever it is has resulted in his USC offer being pulled, as well as his invitation to the Under-Armour All-American game. He says he favors Florida, but some say Florida will not take his commitment, and many think academics are a major issue with him. Who even knows how he stands on Alabama's board at this point?

It's no secret that Alabama is going to load up on cornerback prospects this year, and with DeMarcus Miliner and Deion Belue already on board, John Fulton is clearly the next big target. Fulton is a highly-recruited four-star cornerback out of South Carolina, and Alabama currently holds a big lead for him. Georgia has now passed Florida for second for his services, but either way Alabama nevertheless has a big lead. Many were hoping that he would commit soon, but apparently he is going to wait a while now, and unfortunately things could change by then. Fulton now says he will announce in December (and it cannot go further than that, as he plans to enroll early).The good news, though, is that the Tide continues to recruit him very hard, and neither South Carolina or Clemson seem to be a major player here, so there should not be any great in-state pressures persuading him to stay at home.

Speaking of Belue, lost in the hoopla regarding his commitment is the uncertainty that it creates for Garry Peters of Conyers, Georgia. Most thought the four-star athlete Peters was third on Alabama's board at cornerback, but with the commitment of Belue the water has been muddied a bit for him. With Fulton still a top priority, and Milliner and Belue already on board, Peters is now at most the fourth cornerback on our board, and unless we are going to take four cornerbacks in this class, he may be out of luck. The good news for Peters is that we probably will take a fourth cornerback, but at the very least it does make him pretty borderline right now. Peters admits that Alabama is the huge leader for his services, and he is clearly ours if we want him, but I don't think it's necessarily a given that he has a firm offer now with Belue on board.

Brian Vogler, the monster tight end out of Columbus, Georgia, has narrowed his list of schools down to Alabama and Oklahoma. Coming out of Auburn's backyard, I expected the Tigers to be a big player for his services, but it just hasn't came to fruition. Most think Vogler will commit to the Tide in the coming weeks, but he still wants to have an overnight stay in Tuscaloosa before he makes a final decision. One way or the other, he looks to decide before the season starts.

The sixteen commitments thus far in the 2010 class do not count either Devonta Bolton or Brandon Lewis, both pretty highly-touted signees in the 2008 class who went to junior college after failing to qualify academically. There seems to be no question that both want to re-sign with the Tide, but by the same token we have heard nothing definitive to date to indicate that the Tide is necessarily willing to re-sign those two prospects. At this point, I think the safest thing to say is that if these two can graduate early and enroll late this December, we will probably re-sign them, but if not we will probably pass them up. Hopefully both will redshirt this year and, if they do report to UA, have three years of eligibility remaining.

Finally, we'll close out the first edition of the Meat Market with a few quick hitters:

Scout.com has rated Alabama punter commitment Jay Williams as a three-star and the #5 punter in the country. Likewise, kicker commitment Cade Foster has been rated by them as a four-star and the #3 kicker in the country. Furthermore, Deion Belue was recently rated a two-star by Scout.com... expect his stock to rise in the coming months as he shows out at more camps. Damien Robinson has both Ole Miss and MSU fans alike convinced that he is going out of state, and many think it's an Alabama v. LSU battle (and I still say he will end up at 'Bama). South Carolina guard prospect Eric Mack is now widely expected to commit to the Gamecocks. North Carolina athlete Keenan Allen still has Alabama as a slight leader over Clemson, but we are going to have to keep fighting like hell for this one. Keep your eye on DeAndrew White out of Texas as a wide receiver prospect. DB Jakar Hamilton is down to Alabama and Georgia, but most think he'll end up with the Dawgs. Despite lots of Internet rumblings the past couple of weeks, we still have no word on the academic status of Michael Bowman. Finally,  click here for the latest highlights from 2011 commitment Marvin Shinn.

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Awesome stuff OTS

from reading this, it sounds like even with 16 verbals already, we could easily have 3-4 more. Simply amazing…

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jun 30, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How many can we sign?

After the past two classes, I thought we were surely going to have to go down in signees. Keeping it at 85 total, can we really sign 25+ again? I know some won’t qualify, some won’t actually sign, etc. but surely we can only take 5-6 more commits, right?

by Bobby Briggs on Jun 30, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We are losing a bunch of seniors this year, but...

…I would think that this has more of an effect on how many players could enroll early.
I may be wrong, but I don’t think that new players could enroll early if they are on scholarship and no scholarships are available (against the 85 total).
Can anyone verify that?

by crimson37 on Jun 30, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

85 Scholarship Limit

The 85 scholarship limit only comes into affect at the start of the fall semester (August). It is an oddity that you can have significantly more than 85 scholarship players on your team during the offseason, and it would have zero effect on the number of players that enroll early. As far as how many players we are going to sign, look at Saban’s history. He has always signed nearly 25 guys, and I would assume since there is now a 28 signee limit, we will be signing at about the same amount.

by Kenny483 on Jun 30, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny is right...

Those who enroll early can choose to either back-count to the previous class (if there are spots under the max of 25 open) or they can choose to count towards “their” class.

At any rate, this will be a big class. I think, with the NCAA sanctions not hitting scholarships, you can most likely, realistically, expect somewhere between 24-28 signees in this class. I know we’ve signed big classes the past two years, but we’ve also had a ton of attrition too, and this 2009 senior class is the biggest we’ve had since the early part of the decade.

by outsidethesidelines on Jun 30, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keenan Allen and James Stone

The ones that I am really interested to watch are Keenan Allen and James Stone over the next few months. I think Alabama has a great shot at both, and Allen seems like a huge priority going forward.

by Kenny483 on Jun 30, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right...

… Allen is a huge priority, and we want him really bad.

As for Stone, though, I expect him to end up at Tennessee. I’d love to see him at UA, but I think we get Robinson, another OL, and then Stone goes to UT. They can offer him the left tackle job with their lack of depth on the OL. By comparison, all we can legitimately offer him is the back-up right tackle job, and hell that will only be there when Carpenter leaves and if he can beat out Robinson.

by outsidethesidelines on Jun 30, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the info

I hate passing bad information. I am glad that I am wrong.

by crimson37 on Jun 30, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are losing 21 scholarship seniors after this season. So yes, we can sign a full class.

by Lil' Nick on Jun 30, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great write-up OTS

Who needs a subscription to a recruiting site as long as you are with RBR. Thanks for the info and the link to Marvin Shinn…he’s amazing.

by BigChief on Jun 30, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a shame on Markeith Ambles

He went from a #23 rated prospect in Rivals-Top 250 late in winter, then tumbled to #38 in the last spring -250 list that I read. He has still kept his 4-star rating though.

DeMarco Cobbs said he favors USC as his #1 school of choice, but that was in an interview with WeAreSC dot com in April 2009- things have changed. He doesn’t have the speed of Ambles (4.76 in the 40), but he is a solid route-runner at 6’ 1" 198 with a very high-ceiling of potential (#89 in the Rivals 250).

What about Antonio Goodwin (Atlanta, Ga./Douglass)? I might have missed this guy from previous recruiting posts here on RBR? I recently read that DeJoshua Johnson committed to Florida State. Why again? He would have been a great fit in McElwain’s system. Great fit.

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 30, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know on Goodwin...

… it doesn’t really seem like Alabama is recruiting him. He’s seemingly a pretty talented prospect in any area we have hit hard lately, but nevertheless we really aren’t going after him that hard it seems. I know a lot of Auburn fans like their chances with him, so maybe he ends up there.

Johnson was just a guy who was FSU bound all along. We made a very hard push for him, and he was highly impressed by the Tide, but again he was a ’Nole all the way.

by outsidethesidelines on Jun 30, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks OTS

I voted “more recruiting” the other day on the poll Todd put up. Glad to know you’re at the forefront of it all. As always. . . . great writing my man!

ps: like I told you way back, I’m gonna change my sig to what you had to say about my love for the Raiders. I haven’t forgot, I even had a friend of mine make a shirt out your words. She’s a costume designer and put it on a white-baseball shirt with crimson colored-arms. . .and an “A” on the front left chest. The words are on the back of the shirt. Classic!

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 30, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah yesth

e marvin shinn highlights do work out better for me when i click on the “click here” link as opposed the “marvin shinn” link…. this article was damn good, and the last sentence, for me at least, yeilded great justice when i read it a second time…

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Jun 30, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OTS you are the ISH...

I am waaay too busy to keep up with recruiting as much as I’d like, so these updates are fantastic…
keep ’em up please…

enjoy...

by SpockJenkins on Jun 30, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

FANTASTIC

What I like most about this article is the brevity of the out-of-state recruits. I can keep tabs on what is going on in our borders, but it is hard to keep track of the players from other areas. And now, with CNS locking down everything in Alabama sans Corey Grant, it is cool to see what is going on elsewhere. Thanks!

by jmappelbaum on Jun 30, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome Story!!!

I love info on recruiting! I think I’m addicted! That is by far, one of, if not the very best break down of recruiting! I was thinking Eric Mack would go to the barn because he has a barner jacket on in his pics on Rivals. I would love to be wrong! I hope we get the one that you think we will! Coach Saban seems to get the ones he really wants! Keep these articles a’comin’!

by BamaBoy777 on Jun 30, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No on Mack...

… he has a lot of links to South Carolina. Two of his high school teammates, including a fellow offensive lineman, are committed to the Gamecocks, and he is very close with SoCar 2009 signee Alshon Jeffery — of Lane Kiffin gas pumping fame. At this point, it looks like it’s a matter of when, not if with Mack.

Admittedly Mack was very big on Auburn after the Big Cat Weekend, but obviously a lot has changed since then.

by outsidethesidelines on Jun 30, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel bad...

…for LaDarius Owens, being torn by his allegiance to his family and the obvious superiority of Alabama under CNS to the barn. I can just hear him talking about Auburn to his uncle, “…I know, but they suck….”

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 30, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The good news...

… is that it looks like LaDarius Owens is going to delay his decision a while. He’s already talking about taking official visits to all of these different schools, so it seems unlikely that he will be committing before the season, and that’s exactly what we need.

by outsidethesidelines on Jun 30, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not...

…going to Auburn is exactly what he needs. What a mess.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jun 30, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is

a great recruiting breakdown. Isn’t it great that recruits that would be our top prize recruits back when Shula was here may not even get offered with Saban because we can get the best at each position? Roll Tide

This upcoming season I'm gonna refer to Julio Jones as "The Magic Man" and Trent Richardson as "El Diablo"

by AlabamaTitans2009 on Jun 30, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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