The Rivalry Has Reached a New Low: Operation Red Dog?

About the Julie fishing thing from another source that hasn’t really gotten legs as of yet, so it was interesting to see that mentioned in the original thread, as that’s only the second time I’ve heard about it, and most people probably haven’t heard about it yet.

That story includes a AU booster taking Julio and Ingram on a cruise or possibly a fishing trip, and paying their way, obviously a violation, especially if the AU booster in question reports it. He’d be repremanded, but if he’s the martyr-type, it’s a small price to pay for 75% of Bama’s 2009 offense to be suspended…

LOL, that actually sounds more appropriate!

pogram: Mob attack, condoned by authorities, against persons and property of a religious, racial, or national minority.

everyone is cheating and buying recruits as you say, than why is it necessary to make things up such as “Operation Red Dog?” Why not actually expose the “real” cheating since everybody’s doing it? And IF everybody’s doing it, why would anybody turn the other in? That would almost certainly cause retaliation and before you know it, there would be no bowl games because we’d all be on probation. I’m not saying that stuff doesn’t happen, but you can’t draw broad conclusions such as “everybody’s buying players” when you really don’t know.

was stud though. That guy was an Adonis at age 13. Too bad he ran a 14.5 40.

as rumors go..this one is a yawn

and honestly, I believe the majority of Auburn fans are great people, along with the coaches. Any rational Bama fan would understand that IF true these actions would be relegated to a handful of nutjobs (pathetic, as you stated). I certainly hope it isn’t true, just like I hope (and strongly believe) the rumors in Gadsden are just that.

On the flip side, if there is proof that Auburn boosters were behind or a part of this, that could be really bad news for Auburn.

Is that only one or two barners are coming out and calling this guy a liar, from what I’ve seen of these sites. Also, seeing this and listening to Finebaum leads me to believe that after “16 months of [slowly] spreading rumors”, why would the main conspirator want to dump it all at once on Finebaum. And evidently this dude is in a hurry to get this out, because (as I mentioned in another post) he told Finebaum that if he didn’t report it more quickly, then he would be looking at other media outlets that would.

…WDZ, I hope it’s BS, but it doesn’t sound like BS to me. Honestly, as much as I want to beat Auburn 72-0 every year, I’m sick and tired of violations, rumored violations, and the dictatorial NCAA urinating all over the SEC. That being said, if these guys did what is rumored here, somebody deserves a beat down.

How do you square this:

I have heard bits a pieces of this, but you guys have covered it well. I am calling BS, but I am sure that most Auburn People would. If it were you guys I am sure you would feel the same. If it comes out that this is real, I am sure most Auburn People will be ashamed, and want to kick the people behind this actions in the a$$.

With your compatriots over at TET beating the Gadsden cars-for-‘cruits drum every chance they get? Zero evidence whatsoever of any sort of wrong doing, but even after nothing came of WEA’s “I’m not sayin’… I’m just sayin’…” post over the ADR raid on the car dealerships, your fear- clueless leader made similar insinuations in a post today.

It’s nice for you to come over and act all magnanimous, but at the end of the day, you folks over at TET would obviously run any rumor you could find, regardless of source or verifiability, if it made it sound like anyone even remotely affiliated with Alabama was breaking even the smallest of rules.

You’re basically exactly the saps these guys were [allegedly] playing.

is greedy enough not to waist an opportunity to put himself in the middle of this, but not stupid enough to actually give it credibility.

a little lost… so barn fans formed a cadre with the goal of spreading disinformation on the internet, and also with the goal of contacting recruits under the guise of being Bama boosters, in an effort to entrap them into violations?

first part doesn’t seem so outlandish or original, but the second part does, and seems like it could be criminal. either way if thats truly what happened then it’s got to be damaging to barn’s reputation.

That is why you guys are talking about Seastrunk and this stuff. It is no different then[sic] us talking about "Gadsden" or "Textbook-gate."

Please tell me you’re joking. Something a kid was recorded on video actually saying is no different than a “scandal” which is, at this point, at least 95% fabrication, trumped up delusion, and speculation?

Do you even think about this stuff before you type it?

The Gadsden stuff is allegations that TET editors/MODS/Admins continue to hash up and throw out as often as possible (looking at JC). The other actually hapened, and there are tangibles to back it up. Noone continues to talk about the fantasy that is the Gadsden allegations except Auburn fans. Let’s try this one more time:

THE GADSDEN ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT NEWS CAUSE THERE IS NO PROOF!

if you think that rumors about Auburn are automatically true then you are a bit naïve.

If that’s the message you took from what I’m saying, you need to work on your reading comprehension. My point is that Seastrunk calling out Saban wasn’t a rumor, it was a documented (and highly publicized) fact. NCAA Violations happening in Gadsden is actually too speculative at this point to even be called a rumor… it’s just a smear campaign.

I am calling BS.

But I notice that you’re not calling BS over on TET when the daily front-page reference to Gadsden comes up. I wonder why that is! You want to come over here and play the reasonable fan, but you don’t have the stones to advocate for that over at the place where you have editorial power. You’re either full of shit, a coward, or both.

The bottom line, Zach, is that you have a leadership role in the community at TET and you sit idly by while delusions and conspiracy theories get parroted as fact, then you come over here and ask that we praise you for not participating. The situation is akin to you watching a store get robbed and then demanding applause because you didn’t take anything. You’re complicit in the nonsense, which means you are either a-okay with it, your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, or you don’t have the backbone to stand up for what you believe in. Either way, I’m not sure why you should expect us to be your cheering section.

I know that the Seastrunk stuff was fact. But it being a violation for him saying things in the "heat of the moment" is not going to happen.

Listen, I understand that the NCAA rulebook is long and dense. I do not expect everyone to have the time, inclination, and capacity to read and interpret its rules. It would be nice, though, if you would pay just a little attention to the facts as they exist. To wit:

Seastrunk’s outburst was sensational because he’s a teenager calling out one of the most successful coaches in the SEC. It was not, and nobody has claimed that it was, an NCAA violation.

The Kitty Party was not all that sensational, it is likely that there were a few NCAA violations committed there because a) the coaches promoted the recruits while they were there and b) they allowed the media to publicize the event. (Both things that the video of the event revealed)

Even if it’s true, the Gadsden thing (right now) is wishful thinking at best and a deliberate smear campaign at worst because there is not a shred of evidence to support the claims being made by your website and others.

I am giving you guys the benefit of the doubt and you throw junk at me.

Wait, wait, wait. Are you being reasonable or are you giving us the benefit of the doubt? They’re really two different things. Also? Playing the victim card here really isn’t very becoming. You’re not doing us any favors and we don’t feel sorry for you.

Do you kiss your wife with that mouth? As you use the internet to attempt to be a "bad ass." Maybe you are making up for your lack of ability as a "man." Oh well.

I love it — now using one profane word makes someone a “bad ass”?

I do apologize if my single use of the word “shit” so offended you. Though, I admit I’m confused: how do you square your aversion for the word with your repeated use of the term “BS.” I guess the word “shit” is okay as long as it’s abbreviated? In any event, I will try my best to refrain from using naughty words on the off chance that your mommy is reading over your shoulder. I would hate to see you lose your internet privileges.

Lastly, why do you come over to TET if you think that Jay is so terrible? At least he is trying to talk about football during the "off season,"

That is fine, I just expect more than BS conspiracy theories and garbage from the guy that runs the site. I have said before, the rest of you guys over there generally have interesting reads and I enjoy seeing another perspective.

it appears to me (the few times I have been here) that a good portion of your post are not even sports related. Just an observation, no harm intended.

if you add in the recent News and Politics thread, then yes, lately anyway. Sometimes its slow football days. I still don’t get the big deal about talking non-sports related stuff when there really isn’t anything going on. If you check back during football or basketball season (or spring practices, signing day, preseason) over the past few years I talk nothing but sports.

I’m not trying to fuel the fire here because you are one of the more reasonable writers at TET, but your name and signature contains profanity, thrice. So stating, “it just makes you look incapable of using good language skills anyways” kind of looks hypocritical when there are at least three “profane” words included every time you post.

I just would not imagine that I would get flamed just for being here and having an opinion.

You poor thing. So mistreated and put upon. I feel bad. Really.

You’re not being “flamed” you’re being disagreed with. Because of your leadership role on TET, your stance of “leaving it alone” is being equated to condoning the behavior. Because you’re condoning it there while talking it down here, your character is being questioned. That’s the trouble with trying to hide behind deniability and inaction. Nobody is holding you responsible for what Jay writes . . . I’m just pointing out that you let his baseless accusations go unchallenged. That’s your prerogative, but don’t expect anyone here to be impressed by that.

As for my relationship with RBR, I’m an author, not an editor. Even still, when I see Todd, Nico, OTS or Kleph (or anyone else, for that matter) write things that I think are out of line, I call them out on it. Actually, I guess I should say “if” I ever see it, since I’m not aware of anything like that having ever happened.

Bottom line: you don’t have to be the editor-in-chief to advocate for reason and, low man or not, the fact that you’re ON the totem pole means that more will be read into your words and actions than that of a random commenters.

You cannot just throw me into a category simply because I posted a couple of times on RBR.

Can I throw you into a category because you seem incapable of reading? Let’s get concrete: You either lack the backbone to push back when Jay positions the Gadsden rumors as fact, or you’re fine with him doing it. Those are the two options. Since, up thread, you seemed to imply that people who pushed rumors as fact were an embarrassment to other Auburn fans, it seems unlikely that you’d be okay with it, leaving us with one lone option. Is that clear enough for you?

You feel free to talk however you choose, one “naughty” word or fifty it is your call… it is your site. In most cases it just makes you look incapable of using good language skills anyways.

Actually, it’s the over-use of words — any words, not just “naughty” ones — that makes one look “incapable of using good language skills”. Taboo words serve a purpose in communication and, used well, they are a powerful tool. Nevertheless, I’m reasonably satisfied with my grasp on, and use of, the English language both in my day-to-day life and here. I’m always looking to improve, though, so if you have writing tips, please do feel free to pass them along and I will give them all the weight they deserve.

that was gold.