Saban's Best Work
When Nick Saban was hired to coach the Crimson Tide his skeptics, for either envy or sheer doubt, were quick to call him an overrated and overpaid mercenary. As Alabama loyalists, we largely ignored this talk, focusing on what Saban had accomplished at LSU and his reputation as a dominating recruiter. We dismissed his stint as the Miami Dolphins' head coach for many valid reasons.
Like any coach, Saban is often judged not by the big games he has won but the little games he's lost. At Michigan State, for example, his skeptics point out that without a 9-2 season in 1999, Saban had only a 25-22-1 record from 1995-1998. They don't mention that he inherited an NCAA sanctioned team that hadn't had a winning season since 1990.
Coming to Louisiana State in 2000, Saban replaced Gerry DiNairdo, who'd recruited well but failed to retain and develop players.
Some LSU fans like to say that without the championship season in 2003, Saban compiled a respectable 35-15 record from 2000-2004, helped greatly by Alabama's decline, and marred by a number of games that should not have been lost. They also like to acknowledge that Les Miles absolutely dominated the football world in his first three years, winning three Sugar Bowls and a championship of his own. They argue that while Miles may have benefitted from having a full cupboard of talented players, he coached those players better than Saban would have. Obviously these arguments can't truly be answered, because we don't know how well Saban would have done at LSU if he'd stayed. But we're certainly glad that he left.
Saban's 15-17 record with the Miami Dolphins--centered on quarterback problems and poor offensive production--and a 7-6 season in his first year at Alabama--including losses to the University of Louisiana-Monroe and Mississippi State--were quickly forgotten when he signed the nation's top recruiting class in 2008. We all know what has happened since, so there's no need mentioning any of that.
Statistics aside, it's supremely relevant to acknowledge the good Saban has done. At Toledo in 1990, Saban led the Rockets to a 9-2 record, their best in years. At Michigan State, he guided the program through probation and a dominant season in 1999. At LSU he solidified recruiting and player retention, and he won a National Championship, turning LSU from underachiever to powerhouse. At Alabama he has continued his successful recruiting, transforming our identity nationally into something it hasn't been since the '90s. Last year he produced the first 12-0 regular season and had our beloved Crimson Tide one quarter away from a national championship berth.
So, the question to ask is this: what is Saban's best work as a coach? Has he done a better job at Alabama, without even an SEC championship or major bowl win to his credit, than he did at LSU? To answer this question, you'll first have to decide whether LSU's problems entering 2000 were worse than Alabama's entering 2007.
I'm going to take the safe way out and say I won't compare the two until Saban's time at Alabama is finished. That's the only fair way in my opinion, and I hope it isn't for many years.
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The kicker is
you now have a very talented, disciplined coach – arguably one of the best coaches of the last 15-20 years – coaching one of the few truly elite programs in the country.
This is something LSU fans and Saban detractors cannot ignore. LSU wasn’t even close to Bama’s level til Saban got there. Only recently, and as you pointed out during our tumultous years, were they able to grow. But agreed, lets give it a few years before we truly judge his performance at Bama.
Unless, of course, we are celebrating #13 in January.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jul 11, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just think..
People think we were “annoying” before Saban got here….if he he adds number 13…this fanbase would go freakin bonkers! If they thought the crowd that came to welcome him to T-town was big…they ain’t seen nothing yet..
by bammer on Jul 11, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
…I’m getting antsy just thinking about it. It’d be epic!
by Nico2.0 on Jul 11, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
I have been planning the national championship game for years. I will probably watch in Tuscaloosa; I mean, where else would you? Surely they would show it on the jumbotron at the stadium and sell tickets. Epic indeed.
When that happens, we DEFINITELY need an RBR gathering to watch that game, wherever it may be held.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jul 11, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be in the stadium...
…I’ll be title pawning my car for a ticket!
by Nico2.0 on Jul 11, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
love the dedication
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jul 12, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd say his work at LSU
has to stand out as his most impressive to date. once he’s brought 2 national titles and 3-5 SEC titles to The Capstone then we can say he eclipsed what he did at LSU…. frankly he started with nothing at LSU and brought them to the pinnacle of college football. and while he may not of had the best team to start with at Bama, i’d argue the overall situation was more conducive to building a powerhouse at Bama than the one he inherited at LSU. Bama has/had better facilities and a better tradition than LSU, so the “bar” that defines legendary success is higher at Bama, and it will require him to achieve that much more than at LSU, where he is already the best coach they’ve had in 50 plus years.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Jul 11, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One (regrettable) piece of evidence
BAMA vs. LSU before Saban
42-16-5
BAMA vs. LSU after Saban
44-23 -5
Saban has said that he’s improved as a coach, matured (in the sense of wisdom and composure) by his head coaching job in Miami.
MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--
BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.
by Bamagrad on Jul 11, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The only other thing...
I could think of that is different from then to now would be the conference. I’m not saying the SEC wasn’t a power conference in 2000 when he took over for LSU, but now that he is at Bama the conference is much stronger. I would say that will be a deciding factor as well. Love the post and clip…RTR go CNS!!
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by SDBama78 on Jul 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great point bud.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jul 11, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post.
Saban is a very good coach, one of the best of this generation. I think he is on the level of a Stoops or a Carrol. There is one thing he lacks, one thing his resume does not have. He has yet to stay at a school for 10 years.
I think he knows that unless he stays somewhere for 10 or more years he will never be recognized as one of the truly great coaches. For that reason I think he will stay at Alabama for at least 10 years. I think during that time he will win several SEC championships and at least one NC. When he leaves Bama it will be to retire. He will go down as a truly great coach and will be forever loved by Alabama fans.
However, if he leaves Bama in the next year or two, then he will be rich, but will never be considered a great coach. I guess it all comes down to how much he wants to be remembered as great.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
by 5026 on Jul 11, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He certainly...
…speaks as if his legacy is important to him. He also clearly loves working at Alabama…and if your goal is to achieve excellence, to be a champion, why wouldn’t you?
Bama magazine printed a chart of the top winning percentages by active coaches with at least 10 years of Division 1-A experience, and CNS is fifth on that list with a 68.6 winning percentage over 13 years…at four different schools. Stoops tops the list (80.8%) with 10 years, all at OU. Behind him are Bowden and Paterno (75% each) with 43 years each (man, those dudes are old. Can you imagine if Coach Bryant had coached that long?) and Spurrier (73.2%) with 19 years.
I point this out to say, yes, certainly, Coach Saban is on the level of a Stoops or a Carroll. Furthermore, if he stays at Alabama ten years, it’s likely he will climb to second on this list. And again, he’s done this at four different schools. That is amazing.
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 11, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saban will retire at Bama
If he brings us another championship or two, where else can he go? He is a relatively young guy – for a head coach – but if he hangs around 10 years or so, you better believe we will be THE team in college football.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jul 11, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We...
…already are…not everybody knows it yet…but they will.
by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 11, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st post on RTR
We all know that one cannot buy an National Title, but the commitment that UA made to coach Saban allowed all potential recruits to see that we are in this for the long haul. Alabama will do whatever is necessary to bring back the long-term dominance that characterized the Alabama program previously. Also immense fan support and new stadium facets couldn’t hurt in minds of recruits. Regardless of what happens in the future coach Saban already has quelled EVERY question or doubt in the mind of Alabama fans… to HATERS out there, hate away we do not mind, you only look foolish in the end.
by Norml912 on Jul 12, 2009 3:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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