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The second and final high school camp of the summer is still taking place in Tuscaloosa as we speak, but things are now beginning to wind down. The four-day camp began on Sunday and will end Wednesday afternoon, but by all accounts the camp has been highly successful. Countless highly-touted prospects came to visit, including many current Alabama commitments, and many more high school stars made their way to Tuscaloosa in search of improving their game and earning an Alabama offer. Under Nick Saban the Tide's camps have gained a reputation for being extraordinarily intense ordeals that impresses almost everyone in attendance, and the second summer camp of 2009 proved to be no exception to the general rule.

The biggest news to date coming out the camp is in regard to Brian Vogler, the highly-touted tight end prospect ouf of Columbus, Georgia. In the last installment of the Meat Market, I openly speculated that we may be able to wrap up his services with an impressive showing, and it certainly seems like we did just that. The 6'7 and 250 pound Vogler spent a couple of days in Tuscaloosa, and came away with glowing reviews. In the aftermath of the camp, Vogler says he will announce his collegiate decision on Wednesday at noon, and he is unanimously expected to choose the Tide. Expect Alabama to officially add the gargantuan four-star tight end into the mix then.

Corey Grant is also making a decision this week. Grant did not attend either Alabama or Auburn camps this weekend -- despite some reports that he was in Auburn, those were later retracted and Grant expressly refuted such claims -- but he will be having a press conference at Opelika High School this coming Thursday at noon to announce his decision. I wrote that last week that the smart money was probably on Grant committing to Alabama, and that opinion has only been strengthened in the past week (the Auburn Rivals publisher explicitly said that Alabama leads for Grant, and the Auburn Scout publisher has backed off his claims of it being an Auburn v. Florida battle). Most do expect Grant to commit to Alabama this upcoming Thursday, but in all fairness I do think it would be a stretch to call an Alabama lock at this point. We should get him, and the smart money is clearly on the Tide, but I do not think anyone should be overly shocked if he ends up committing to Auburn. Fingers crossed on this one.

Also making big news this weekend was Demarco Cobbs, the wide receiver prospect out of Tulsa. Whether or not he could make it to Tuscaloosa quickly became an on-again off-again story, but he finally caught a flight to Birmingham, and had a great visit to Tuscaloosa. Some thought he might even commit before he left, and while he did not do that, it is clear that the Tide is in great shape here. Moreover, Cobbs even laid out how his recruiting process would go... he would probably be a silent commit to someone, take three or four official visits, and then announce his decision on National Signing Day. At the very least, the Tide has assured itself a spot at the table, and it would not be unrealistic to say that right now the smart money is on Cobbs signing with the Tide. To be sure, it's obviously a long way until National Signing Day, but by the same token its hard not to be bullish about Alabama's chances with this young man.

Harrison Jones, the tight end prospect out of Nashville, was also in Tuscaloosa this weekend, and his visit went about like expected. He says he is down to Alabama, Oklahoma, and North Carolina, but there's no doubt whatsoever as to where the Tide legacy will ultimately end up. Previously he had planned on announcing his decision before the start of his senior season, but he is now talking of possibly delaying it further. Truth be told, I imagine that Jones is a silent commitment to 'Bama and that he's just waiting to go public some time during the season, if that is indeed what our coaching staff wants. With the number of remaining slots being very limited as it is, with hopefully two more commitments coming this week, I imagine the TIde coaching staff may try to stretch out the remaining commitments as we hit the final stretch run. That's not to say, of course, that Jones won't commit in the very near future, it is merely to say that no one should take it as a bad indicator if Jones delays his decision a bit longer.

Keenan Allen was also in attendance at the 'Bama camp, and by all accounts he performed very well. This one was probably much needed for Allen to ensure that he did not get caught in the dreaded numbers crunch, and the general feeling is that the visit helped solidify the Tide's lead for the versatile athlete. Allen did previously say that regardless of what happened in Tuscaloosa, he was going to make sure that he went home and talked things over with his family before making a commitment, so while we shouldn't necessarily expect anything any time soon, the Tide nevertheless seems to be in good shape for Allen's services.

The news with John Fulton, however, is a bit more disturbing. He has delayed his decision until December -- though there keeps being frequent hints that it could be moved up -- and this past week his teammate, defensive end Dexter Morant, committed to Georgia. The Dawgs were coming on strong for Fulton regardless, and he recently said he had them second overall. That, of course, came before news of Morant to UGA broke, and now I'm afraid we are going to have Morant in Fulton's ear for the next four months lobbying for his teammate to join him in Athens. To be sure, Morant himself said that he doesn't necessarily expect that they will end up at the same school, and Fulton has said that Alabama still leads for him even after Morant's commitment to Georgia, but at the very least it is not news that you want to hear. We'll just have to see how this one develops in the coming weeks and months.

And speaking of concerns regarding Fulton, the consensus opinion is that we will take one more commitment at cornerback. If we miss on Fulton, who will it be? For now I say do not count out Garry Peters. If you recall, Peters' chance with the Tide largely went out the window with the commitment of Deion Belue, but don't necessarily call this one a done deal just yet. Peters is about to commit to Clemson, but even so he has made it clear that he still plans to take an official visit to Alabama, and the feeling that I get is that the Tide could turn him late if we really want him.

Here's a name that you probably haven't heard before... Arie Kouandijo. The Maryland product is a four-star offensive tackle, and he came to visit Tuscaloosa this weekend. He seems to be pretty interested in the Tide, and right now I imagine that he is only behind Damien Robinson and James Stone on our board at tackle. It's probably a bit of a longshot that he ends up in Tuscaloosa, but he is a name to keep your eye on nevertheless.

Several other big-time surprise visitors also made their way to Tuscaloosa as well. The biggest of the group was Florida linebacker Jeff Luc, who many feel to be the best lineback prospect to come out of the prep level in the last few years. Luc is widely expected to stay somewhere in Florida, and he will likely sign with the Gators, but it is nevertheless nice to see a prospect like himself take legitimate interest in Alabama. We have almost reached a point in recruiting success to which almost any legitimate high caliber prospect has to take a serious look at the Tide.

Camps notwithstanding, Eddie Lacy and Darrington Sentimore still remain on the fence academically from the 2009 class, and the end is drawing ever closer. There has be no good news as of late on Sentimore, but we do have some solid news on Lacy. According to the Geismar product himself, he currently has a B in an Algebra II course and he needs an A to qualify. His final in the course is this Friday, and there he will have the opportunity to bump his grade up to an A, and if he can do that then he should qualify. All we can do is hope for the best on that front.

Finally, as always, we'll finish off with a few quick hitters...

LaCraig Brown, a 6'4 and 270 pound defensive end out of Louisiana, claims a 'Bama offer, and says one from LSU should be coming shortly. Aubrey Phillips claimed a 'Bama offer after being sent packing from FSU, but I'd highly doubt it... we didn't want him last year, I don't see why we would after he washed out of Tallahassee. Garrison Smith committed to Georgia. Jordan Allen committed to LSU. Eric Mack committed to South Carolina. Dequan Menzie, a JUCO DB, claims an offer from Alabama, but I highly doubt it is commitable. No word yet on whether or not Carlos Grey earned a 'Bama offer at this camp. Dale Trimble was in Tuscaloosa and played pretty well, but the Tide will take a pass on him. Keiwone Malone was in Tuscaloosa and wowed everyone yet again, his stock is clearly on the rise. Kyle Prater says he will visit Tuscaloosa before the start of the football season.

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The week after the second camp...

… has been very kind to us in ’07 (3 commits) and ’08 (4 commits). Hopefully, we will get another good week.

Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant

by TheRedTideConsumes on Jul 21, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

all hail the process!

this…

We have almost reached a point in recruiting success to which almost any legitimate high caliber prospect has to take a serious look at the Tide.

…is music to my ears.

by kleph on Jul 21, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Another

great write up OTS

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 21, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

the world is ours

more and more, CNS reminds me of this guy

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

he

does, he really really does.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 21, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

disagree

our boy ain’t going to end up floating facedown in a pool.

by kleph on Jul 21, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

: )

searched high and low for that still but couldnt find it

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 21, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read the explanation on Cobbs' 4.76 40

either his coach is a spin master, or the kid is Pro Style QB slow.

Coach says that they do not practice the 40 (totally believable), Cobbs didn’t even own/bring track shoes and borrowed someone elses, and he just went and did it with no formal training ( i.e. proper stance, proper gate, end lean, etc.).

Obviously game speed and track speed do not directly correlate, but one certainly helps the other.

Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant

by TheRedTideConsumes on Jul 21, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Auburn/Columbus Area Conspiracy Theory

First off, no this is not a post about Escalades or Chargers. I am interested what others might think about my theory. It is pretty fascinating that the two biggest prospects in the Auburn area (30 miles or so) are both going to make their commitments in the same week. The week right after Auburn has their last huge recruiting weekend for the summer.

It has been rumored here and many other places that Volger is a silent commit to Alabama, and he was just waiting for the coaches to give him the go ahead. Volger is now going to announce on Wednesday and Grant on Thursday.

This is complete conjecture on my part but I think there was at least cajoling if not outright planning by the coaching staff to have these two commitments line up. If both announce their decision to go to Alabama, how badly does this affect Auburn’s recruiting efforts? I just cannot see an objective way to spin this, assuming it happens, as complete failure on Auburn’s part.

I am not trying to make this a post about Auburn, but it really strikes me as at least a big plot line for recruiting. It has been interesting the last three years to see Auburn struggle in their own backyard, not to mention the rest of the state, starting with Will Hill two years ago. Of course that continued with Jarvis Jones last year as well. That does not even include the abysmal failure that was the Deron Furr saga from the same area.

Anyways, just curious what other people think about this and if this is a signifcant story line. I have started to believe, at least convince myself, that the Alabama coaching staff has set this up to give the program one last significant boost in recruiting before the start of the season and at the same time really take away any leftover recruiting momentum that Auburn was building in the state.

by Kenny483 on Jul 21, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

remeber when lance thompson said he was going toown memphis

and then we got the top memphis area WR prospect to commit like 48 hours later? thats what you call The Process. also, you can call it being ruthless, like Tony Montana.

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

These two commitments may very well be timed, I don’t know. That sort of thing has happened before, and will happen again, but to say that it is happening beforehand in any one specific instance is really just speculation. The timing really isn’t important, though, it’s the simple reality that you go into opposing team’s backyard and take away top talent.

Now, as for Auburn, they have struggled greatly in recruiting the past two and a half years, and as a result they have missed out on most of the top prospects available, and that includes kids coming out of traditional Auburn hotbeds like Opelika, Columbus, and Montgomery. Having them miss on Vogler and (hopefully) Grant, really only tells you that they are continuing to struggle in recruiting, despite all of the Kool-Aid being drank by some Chizik backers. Of course, though, that’s not really news if you are actively following recruiting.

All told, on a macro level, recruiting success is largely driven by five factors:

(1) Program reputation, i.e. how much you have won in the recent past and how much you reasonably expect to win in the next couple of years.

(2) The credentials of your head coach, and the perception of the quality of coach that he is

(3) The perceived ability of being able to get your players into the NFL

(4) The quality of your facilities

(5) The intensity and energy shown by your coaches on the recruiting trails

With those factors in mind, if you are Auburn you are currently going one for five. Their coaches certainly have intensity and energy on the recruiting trails, but nothing else looks good for them. They are a program that has been on the decline since 2004, are coming off a losing season, and look to have a couple of more bad years in store. Their head coach’s hiring was derided by everyone, including their own fan base, and he has a career 5-19 record, and of course that really takes away making solid arguments about being able to put players into the NFL. And, finally, the facilities at Auburn are middling at best by SEC standards. So they haven’t recruited well the past couple of years, aren’t recruiting well now, and won’t until they can swing more of those factors in their favor.

Now does that mean that Alabama’s staff has some grand conspiracy behind this deal? I don’t think so. Even if the announcements are being puppet-mastered by Saban and company, that’s pretty much routine in the recruiting game, and it really doesn’t indicate anything overly out of the normal. I simply look at it like this… Auburn is struggling in recruiting, and that means that we have an easier time going into their traditional hotbeds and getting talent. So a couple of really talented players come out of said hotbeds, so we go hard after them and give it all we got. In the end, they (hopefully) choose ’Bama, nothing more to it than that. I merely see it as us taking advantage of an advantageous situation.

And, finally, I will also say that it’s not like Saban has ever been afraid of going into that area for talent. If you will recall, he went into Opelika High School and landed Melvin Oliver when he was at LSU, and was one of their key players to some very good defenses from 2002-2005. I personally just think Saban is going to go after the ones he really wants, and be damned as to where they are from. And if that means going into Memphis, or south Louisiana, Virginia Beach, or Auburn’s backyard, or Georgia’s backyard, or Houston, or wherever, he’s going to do just that.

by outsidethesidelines on Jul 21, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont think CNS would waste his time

trying to set up some intricate stunt designed to make auburn “look bad”. i mean perhaps it was planned, i could see it if he knew the kids were solid locks and they were begging him to announce they were commits before hand. but even then, i dont think he’d subject the kids to somthing like that. saban is a high character guy, “les aint more” and that smug douche tubbs might have tried something like what kenny proposed, but i think it’s really just the kids gettign caught up in the moment too. they know they’ll make splash if they commit together, this week. it’s not like 17 year olds who’ve spent the last 24 months fielding calls and emails from coaches and reporters have no concept of the world outside their own. hell how many kids really dont have their minds made up until signing day? of the ones that knew, how many do you think were prompted to wait til NSD by the coaching staff of the team they went to? yeah, none. coaches dont have time for that shit, especially Coach Saban.

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Jul 21, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good Points

Probably all good points, not sure if it would really be a low characther thing to do to have some commitments aligned at a certain time. I just found the timing somewhat interesting, moreso I think the area that coincides with the timing is a somewhat significant story.

I will say that while I think the staff would definitely like to have all the recruiting done by Signing Day, not sure that they do not like some of the publicity that comes with having them spread out over a certain period.

by Kenny483 on Jul 21, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

As for Vogler and Grant in particular, I doubt this was planned. Grant has been admittedly tiring of the recruiting process for weeks now, and he wanted to decide before the season starts. Likewise with Vogler, he has been planning to make a decision before the season starts for months now. You always see a flurry of kids committing right before the start of the high school football season, and I think Grant and Vogler are just two of those guys and nothing more.

Now, with that said, again, there is such a thing as silent commitments, and coaches do orchestrate commitments to go public at certain times to achieve a maximum effect. That’s not just the talk of black helicopters and alien landings… it’s legitimate, and it really does happen more often than you think. Furthermore, we do have specific evidence of our staff (read Saban and company) of doing just that. I do not think that is probably happening in this particular case, but it does happen, period.

by outsidethesidelines on Jul 21, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Location

The most important aspect that you did not mention was location. Most kids still want to stay close to home and near family, so location is the most important aspect for a program’s success. Thus, you have the 5 hour radius that Saban always preaches whenever he talks about the focus for recruiting.

by Kenny483 on Jul 21, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, obviously...

For any specific recruit, on an individual level, location is really biggest deciding factor in terms of where he goes. On the macro level, though, location really does not matter, as long as you are in an area that is a hotbed of prep football talent. Obviously Auburn is in such a position, so that’s not explaining anything one way or the other.

by outsidethesidelines on Jul 21, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

There was

that thing about Grant asking for another recruits number. Maybe they were setting it up then. I hope they dont wear the same thing.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 21, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Queue picture of Ace and Gary...

Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant

by TheRedTideConsumes on Jul 21, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope they dont wear the same thing.

Well there is one article I hope they both wear:

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"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 21, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

That one don't have enough swaggah

Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. - Paul W. "Bear" Bryant

by TheRedTideConsumes on Jul 21, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

This enough swaggah?

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"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 21, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a case where

the A stands for A-hole? Anyone down w/ the gang sign in lower left? My street cred aint what it used to be.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 21, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its

easy, just combine the A with the hand sign and you get “A OK” he’s just letting you know they’re A ok.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 21, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, a musical hip hop ensemble!

i thought they were the new uniforms for the Capstone Men. The former makes WAY more sense. I still don’t know what’s wrong with the guys up top (their nipples must be killing them).

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 21, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

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"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 21, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahaha

true, but he makes up for it with that colored-coordinated watch.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 22, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cobbs

seems to be a good QB but what position will he play in college?

by BamaBoy777 on Jul 21, 2009 4:30 PM CDT reply actions  

looks like WR

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Jul 22, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

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