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**UPDATED** UT fans are more delusional than i thought...

Did you guys think I started the thread over at RTT?? If so..I didn't..some UT douche boy did...just clarifying..

 

The other day i stirred up the pot a little over at Rocky Top Talk. The funny thing is...I didn't even mean to. I made what i thought was some very non confrontational statements and even went as far as to defend Kiffen. Some douche UT fan over there said that Kiffin is already a bust and blah blah blah. Im sure he was a troll and since he didn't come back to argue his point, its no doubt he is. It got a little crazy after a blogger made this comment...

 

Basically.....
Am I the only one in the world that thinks that Lane Kiffin might be the next big bust in college football head coaches.

yes

Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!

by VolBrian on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

 

I replied back with a simple No..why? Not to dig at Kiffin. Cause he's not the only one in the world who feels this way. I wasn't saying that Kiffin is a bust but only that there are a lot of people outside of Tennessee who feel he is a buffoon who is in WAY over his head...Anywho,after a few intelligent back and forths with Hooper, this comment opened the floodgates....

and i think that

is where most people see Kiffin….He failed at Oakland..what makes us think he won’t at UT? Im not saying that is correct logic, but that is what outsiders are thinking. Its kinda like Chizik at Auburn. The dude goes 5-100 at ISU and people think he’ll be successful at Auburn? What on earth would give you that idea?

by bammer on Jul 2, 2009 12:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You would have thought I compared Kiffin to Hitler. I mean these guys really took it personally. I thought the comparison was just. I really took a shot more at Chizik than Kiffin but oh my lord did they take offense..So much so that two readers created fanshots to discredit or disprove my claim....

Dedicated to Bammer... Kiffin & Chizik in the same sentence

Failure In The NFL But Success In College? It IS Possible...

I ended by saying this

No

you see a guy with the name bammer and you take everything that i said personally…Don’t worry..its happens on every blog..If a guy named UTistheBomb posted negative stuff about Saban over at RBR im sure he would get blasted…

All im saying is that im not bashing Kiffin here. If you want to think that Kiffin has more potential that Chizik then go ahead. Both were successful coordinators at Major universities and both failed at their 1st HC job. Both can make many excuses on why they weren’t or couldn’t be successful. Both are replacing well liked coaches…both are taking over teams that need a major over haul…but go ahead…if you want to wear those homer glasses then by all means do it. BUT the fact is….The UT situation is very much like the one at Auburn….

and btw…

You said he failed at the Raiders. Said he was just like Chizk. Said recruiting doesn’t make you a head coach. Also said we should wait & see.

He did fail at the Raiders…
He is in fact a lot like Chizik…thats not a dig but truth..
Being a good recruiter doesn’t mean you will win (again just ask Coach O) it means you have a better shot BUT….
And yes…we should wait and see if he will be a bust….

by bammer on Jul 2, 2009 11:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions  

 

I didn't say EXACTLY the same but they are very similar...What annoyed me was they weren't reading or understanding what i was saying....They just saw my name and got all butt hurt..Anyways..i thought it was funny how easy it was to get them pissed..Again, it was not my intention but some people just have their panties on a little too tight..But it really goes to show how delusional UT fans are..

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Is the UT situation anything like whats happening over at the Barn?
Um yes....anyone with a brain can see that...
96 votes
No..Kiffiin will be the next best thing in the SEC..
20 votes

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I will say this

The only thing that separates UT from the Barn is their most recent recruiting class…and thats about it.

by bammer on Jul 4, 2009 8:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and they get their asses POUNDED

by their other big rival, Florida, on a routine basis… kiffin has a huge uphill climb ahead of him. his best hope at being UT’s coach in 3 years lies with Urb leaving for noter damn or the NFL.

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Jul 4, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hello, Bammer

A few points over here in your space:

1) We are not “delusional” or “taking it personally” or “unable to understand your arguments” just because we don’t agree with your ideas and conclusions. We read what you have to say but still disagree with you on several points;

2) We do, however, agree on a few points as there are some similarities, as you saw in my Post. But once you dig a little deeper, there are also some significant differences, which you continue to ignore.

3) You may not like Kiffin’s style (UT folks are divided on it as well) but it got recruiting results. The jury is out on how well he’ll do at UT. A good start would be 8-4 with more competitive games against Bama, Georgia, Florida and Ole Miss while winning the rest. Most Vols project 7-9 wins as we start to turn the ship around. Back to the top of the SEC East by 2010 or 2011 would be great. (By the way, we may not like Saban’s style either, but he’s a heck of a college coach and a great recruiter as well.)

4) Based on your comments here, I find it disingenuous when you claim that you weren’t visiting to bash Kiffin or tweak Tennessee fans.

5) Florida is the home of the Teebow panties, not Tennessee. Our knickers are not in a twist over what you have to say. It’s a slow summer. You gave us something to talk about. We appreciate the visit and you are welcome back at any time.

For the rest of you on this Board, Bammer left quite a few things out in his portrayal of how things happened. Follow his links for a balanced view of the discussion – including BOTH sides of the point-counterpoint. We welcome y’all over on www.rockytoptalk.com.

I don’t run the UT site or anything, but as a frequent reader, we are glad to have you visit and stay a while. Feel free to join and comment.

by memphispete on Jul 4, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

actually

this whole thing started when you thought i compared Kiffin as a coach to Chizik. All i really did was compare the situations…but anyways…and yes…i feel you guys took what i said out of context..hence the “panties in a wad” comment.

by bammer on Jul 4, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly...

…why do y’all go to RTT and TET and wherever to stir up trouble? We get pissed if their regulars do it to us, so extend them the same courtesy that we ask, namely that this is an Alabama blog and it should be a place for Alabama fans to come and discuss the Crimson Tide and whatever else among their fellow fans, not a place for any yahoo with a computer to stir up their rivals. TET is for Auburn fans, leave it to them. RTT is for Tennessee fans, leave it to them.

by Todd on Jul 4, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I do too

If you want to walk the heavenly streets of gold, you gotta know the password, "Roll, tide, roll!"

Bear Bryant

by imaBamafan on Jul 6, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen!

Although I mess with TET every so often. I can’t help it.

36-0

by Bamabrave4 on Jul 4, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

im actually getting tired

of being called a “troll” just because i disagree. I can’t remember the last time I just went over to a rivals site to stir shit up…if i get in a civil argument with another fan, then so be it….but i never do it on purpose.

by bammer on Jul 4, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i typically dont

go anywhere to stir anything…i simply reply…i never go and start thread just to be a jerk. This time it kinda got outa hand pretty quick…so no i won’t stop going to other sites blogs..since it is always my intention to have a friendly debate or just a discussion. Somtimes they get out of hand but most the time they are civil…

by bammer on Jul 4, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Lyle

I have to agree with Todd on this one. I post on TET every now and then but never against Jay – cause I Can’t say anything nice – and the last nine months or so, only civil stuff. I am way past the whole jumping their shit, but quite frankly I enjoying reading some of their authors.

What you said, while your intention was probably good, was perceived as a flame, and I cannot condone that nor support you. Think about if they were posting on our blog, or how they posted when Shula was here (yes, there were a few flamers that pissed us off).

You are better than that, dude.

"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 4, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Also,

Bud Light Lime + jack and cokes = crazy delicious!

"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 4, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

in no way would i consider what i did a flame…a flame is saying KIFFIN SUCKS….then running away…

I just disagreed and didn’t quite nicely…

by bammer on Jul 4, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

did it…not Didn’t..

by bammer on Jul 4, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shhhhh...

Y’all keep it down. If Pete hears you went somewhere else to talk football he’s gonna be pissed. Oh crap, here he comes… you didn’t see me…

"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant

by TopDaddy on Jul 5, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 6, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

i just want to thank everyone for understanding what i was saying and backing me up….oh wait..

by bammer on Jul 5, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

...........................................

…………………………

"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 5, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look...

…I don’t care how “respectfully” you disagree with a Tennessee fan on a Tennessee blog, the fact that you are an Alabama fan disagreeing will never be taken the right way, especially when you come back to an Alabama site, link to it, and proceed to talk about how they are delusional. Its not fun for us to try and have a discussion about the issues facing Alabama and have a rival fan poke his nose in it. They don’t need to be poking their noses in our business because they have enough to worry about with their own teams, and we need to stay out of their business as well.

by Todd on Jul 5, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so you dont slow down to

take a peek at train wrecks whenever you drive past one?

just playin devils(bammers) advocate here… but i see where your comming from though todd.

i guess my take would be: there’s nothing wrong with going to a rival (or any team you’re interested in) teams site and PARTICIPATING in the discussion. no one likes a like troll or flamer. however, even if you behave the proper way and (i’d say that gumptown and WEA are good examples of this) it’s human nature for other fans to read into your comments and feel like they’re being flamed. the only resolution to this is to stay engaged in the debate, and not to start in w/ the ad hominem attacks and linking to your “home” blog etc….

all in all, looked like a normal, healthy discussion, bammer wasn’t be a jackass at all, until he got bogged down with having to defend himself from somewhat baseless attacks that accused him of “trying to flame”….

now that greyghos? right below me? just posted a second ago? this guy’s a pathetic excuse for a troll. complete jackass

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Jul 5, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

all in all, looked like a normal, healthy discussion, bammer wasn’t be a jackass at all, until he got bogged down with having to defend himself from somewhat baseless attacks that accused him of "trying to flame"…

thats what i thought. When comparing what i said to ole greyghos down there or to the original creator of the “bust” thread at RTT…my comments were more than civil and my points just..

by bammer on Jul 6, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats very true

and i even made that point to Memphispete. It didn’t matter how nice i said what i said, he only saw my name and thought i was there to flame..

The reason i came here to post what happen was because of how silly their argument was. Say for a few minor details, like where they coached last, the situation at UT is almost identical to AU…and they think that they are MUCH better off than AU…my point is and has been that only time will tell but you can’t ignore the similarities…thats why i posted this thread…if i thought id be called a troll by UT fans and my fellow brethren here…i wouldn’t have done it……and that thread over at RTT started out very civil until they misconstrued what i was saying…Hooper finally got it but Memphispete is hell bound in thinking im a troll…

by bammer on Jul 6, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All those other

SEC teams and their fans are just jealous. it doesn’t matter how many National Championships they win, it still won’t mean as much as all the one’s Bama got back in the 60’s and 70’s when they were good. Lets be realistic. No other team can really compete with the Tide. The loss to Florida last year was a fluke. And the sugar bowl loss to whoever that was simply doesn’t matter. This should not even be an argument on anybody’s website. Alabama should be recognized by all as the top program in the nation.

by GreyGhos on Jul 5, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

tempe
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. With all the garbage you spew over at TET, you calling someone else a troll is hilarious.

by Jumpn_JackFlash on Jul 6, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

guess i’ll have to check my history. though i have to admit, i dont post that often, so that right thur is one strike against me. i hope you’ll give me some credit for at least speakin the truth and being funny, if also a little mean spirited at the same time.

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Jul 6, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also this guy is acting as a

Sock Puppet

at least i post my actual opinions and dont engage in name calling or personal attacks. i just happen to think auburn really botched the last 24 months, big time, and that chizik isn’t the answer.

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Jul 6, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chizik is the answer...

…to, “What makes me most giddy when I contemplate the 2009 Alabama-Auburn game?”

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 6, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree

there has been this complete 180 on Chizik in the last couple months from being the worst hire ever to the savior of AU football and I can’t figure out how that can be.

 He may have done better recruiting than expected, but if you look at the assistants he brought in and the half-ass job Tubs did his last two years the expectations really were’t that high. The man has yet to coach a game, how can people make these assumptions?

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 6, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something I learned

is that the blogs are not an excuse for a flame war even though many posters/trolls think so. It is a new form of communication, and people hide behind random screennames in order to act however they so choose without a sense of morality supporting their actions. I have been guilty of this in the past. However, if you look at it as a forum for intelligent, educated debate, then it has served it’s true purpose.

The blogs are far more enjoyable when you have Aubies such as Gump and WEA posting opinions and views (along with LSUJonno, Kyle, and others) that follow a civil debate. The same reason I changed my posting habits a good while ago, rather than responding to everything posted at TET and allow myself to be bated by the bad fans (and we all have them), I choose to read and post as fairly and maturely as possible.

I havent been perfect, and I have acted like an ass at times in the past, but I tell you what – I have had the great fortune of meeting a few of the RBR regulars (who have all become very good friends with) and when you put a screenname against someone you are having a beer (or 40) with, this shit becomes real. So much so, you start putting your reputation at risk by behaving badly on the boards.

Bammer, I understand where you are coming from – I really do. You enjoy the debate…I feel ya. But in all honesty, how did you expect them to act? We would have done the same, dude, and you know it. I enjoy your passion, but sometimes you just gott a let it go. It ain’t that deep, really. And this is from someone who has looked like a jackass on more than one occasion.

"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 6, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it's so hard to resist.

i went over there to check up on whatever the hell jumpinjack was on about… and now i find myself wanted to slap the daylights out of some of those fools. they think they’ll win 10 games next year! and then they want you to take them seriously at the same…. but yeah… it’s nearly impossible to respond to everything you want at a rival board, without lookin like/possibly actually being, an a-hole.

welcome to the SEC kiffykins...

by tempebamafan on Jul 6, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My two pennies.

Bammer, you’re a great dude and all. I think the Falcoholic would benefit from your contributions as RBR has.

However, regardless of your intentions, college rivalries are so bitter, so ingrained, and so organic that it is not a matter of having an informed yet disagreeing opinion; it is a matter of having a disagreeing opinion in the first place.

As Todd stated,

[Regardless of] how "respectfully" you disagree with a Tennessee fan on a Tennessee blog, the fact that you are an Alabama fan disagreeing will never be taken the right way

I love the Tide and would defend my support to the death, but I’m not going to willingly walk into a bar in Knoxville or Auburn and say “You know, your head coach might not be as good as you expect and here’s why.” I’d have bottles thrown at my head.

I’ll equate it to the Falcons/Saints rivalry. As people, Saints fans are great. I have a decent relationship with plenty of Black and Gold supporters. I’ve even helped the Canal Street Chronicles (SBN Saints Blog) work on user statistics and mapping. I do not, however, talk with them about football. It’s impossible. “Impasse” would be the best way to describe it. I don’t tread on them, they don’t tread on me, and we get along.

I do respect your courage and mettle. I just think it’s best if these well informed and, let’s just say it now, correct opinions are left here at RBR. If the RTT and TET guys want to insult us here on the blog, let them. All the more shame to be loaded on their shoulders.

You have opinions. Share them.

by tlozwarlock on Jul 7, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As

a Saints fan, I resent this post. And may bottles be thrown at your head the next time you’re in the Dome. And by the way, we’re going to sweep you guys this year. Your rookie stud QB high draft choice (aka super suck gay QB) will have the usual soph. slump. Injuries screwed us last year, no way that’s happening again. And our defense will be much improved. SAINTS ARE GONNA WIN THE SOUTH BABY WHO DAT!?

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...who...

…are these ‘Falcons’ and ‘Saints’? Air Force and Carroll College?

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think they

play football in some league were you can’t hit anyone hard, especially the QB or play with emotion…oh yeah and its all about something they call the Benjamins…IDK..

by bammer on Jul 7, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's called

The No Fun League…

You have opinions. Share them.

by tlozwarlock on Jul 7, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

also the league that punishes success, or so says Saban.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Super Bowl teams rarely repeat

Unless you’re the Patriots…

You have opinions. Share them.

by tlozwarlock on Jul 7, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some

of my fondest NFL memories were those Cowboys vs. 49ers games… kinda wish the NFL would encourage that again.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fond memories...

…of Wyoming vs. Long Beach State? I just don’t know about you guys sometimes.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

I’m from Long Beach

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm...

…straight outta Locash.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A crazy mothafu--a named Gusto

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 7, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its

a way of life.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CB4

best Chris Rock movie of all time.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless...

…you include his cameo in I’m Gonna Git You Sucka.

I sho am hongry.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha..

I never saw it.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 8, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How long

did it take to find a college that had the Saints as their mascot?

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 7, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what..

you didn’t know that off the top of your head…

by bammer on Jul 7, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just

unfamiliar with “top Nationally Ranked private catholic liberal arts colleges in the west” BTW it’s in Montana (I googled that)

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 7, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you...

…call yourself a football fan? Sheesh.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never seen the tewrms "Catholic" and "Liberal" side by side

surely this is the work of the devil.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 7, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

…they’re such a small group of believers, it’s hard to believe there’s room for that kind of diversity.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You

obviously don’t know any Catholics from Chicago or the northeast.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Born and raised

Catholic from Philly to Rhode Island then Alabama. I guess it does depend on the issue.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 7, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I

was born and raised Catholic myself. Always heard stories of how liberal northern Catholics were. The whole ‘scripture leads to socialism’ thing.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why...

…I don’t read scripture…all that socialism in the New Testament.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Jul 7, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol...

you could certainly interpret it that way I guess.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 8, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

im pretty sure Jesus wouldn’t be a republican..

by bammer on Jul 8, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

say for

that whole abortion thingy..

by bammer on Jul 8, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt He would be part of a political party at all.

His message was submit to government (whoever is in power) unless laws violate Christianity, and change the world through teaching God’s message and through example. He was not a political revolutionary like many try to make Him out to be. By and large He kept His distance from politics, save to encourage His followers to obey the law.

I bleed crimson and white...I puke Vol puke orange. RTR

by SugarBowl93 on Jul 8, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i

was just kidding..

Im pretty sure He would look at both our current choices and shake his head…

by bammer on Jul 8, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

destroy a few with his laser eyes. Oh wait…wrong Savior…

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 8, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wouldnt

that be freakin sweet if he came back as a super hero…or a transformer…

by bammer on Jul 10, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Socialism vs. the Bible

Socialism: what’s yours is mine and I’ll take it (via government).

Bible: what’s mine is yours and I’ll (voluntarily) share it.

Big difference.

I bleed crimson and white...I puke Vol puke orange. RTR

by SugarBowl93 on Jul 8, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

republican..

Whats mine is mine and if you want something..well you better get off your butt and work for it cause if you don’t…it will be mine..

by bammer on Jul 8, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I bleed crimson and white...I puke Vol puke orange. RTR

by SugarBowl93 on Jul 8, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Democrat...

Oh, you poor thing! Can’t hold a job because you cant follow those pesky attendance rules? Can’t keep a job because everything is more important than doing your job the correct way? Its ok! We know you didn’t work hard to finish school and/or keep a job and be successful, but its ok, its not your fault it is those people who work harder than you and make more money than you that keep you down! Hey, let’s pay for your groceries and housing for the rest of your life, cause you know you deserve it for being you! Yes! Keep having kids! We will give you a tax break on money you don’t earn for every one you have just cause we feel like it! Don’t worry, we will tax the hell outta everyone making an earnest living in order to support you, I mean it’s only money, they can share it!

"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 8, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I

didn’t mean to infer that the Bible teaches socialism, I was making the statement that you could interpret it that way, and some do..

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 8, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood.

Just clarifying :)

I bleed crimson and white...I puke Vol puke orange. RTR

by SugarBowl93 on Jul 8, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As

a Falcons fan, I can only shake me head and smile at this post. :)

You have opinions. Share them.

by tlozwarlock on Jul 7, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thought you'd like that

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Ryan is the real deal

I wouldn’t count on a slump.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 7, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

A Tiger I can agree with :)

You have opinions. Share them.

by tlozwarlock on Jul 7, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've known him since he was young

Most of family is from Pennsylvania and as a result they have houses at “The Shore” in Wildwood, N.J.

I met him and his older brother mike when I was about 11 or 12 (I think I’m 2 yrs older than him) through my cousin. Matt was always picked on until about my freshmen year of HS. I went to Jersey and he was about a foot and a half taller than everyone else.

He still had to work his ass off to get where he is now. I seen ’im (used to have to leave the beach early everyday to throw balls whether he wanted to or not.)

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 7, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's

good but the Falcons had an awesome running game with Michael Turner and Roddy White came out of nowhere to have a great year.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roddy had a completely similar year in 07, when we went 4-12

But with an 11-5 season and a playoff trip, he actually got some recognition.

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by tlozwarlock on Jul 7, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes, 2007 how could I forget?

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"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were

you really that suprised? Not to sound racist or anything but…I mean… come on. No other explanation for defending the indefensible.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 8, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

im

also sure they were good friends…not to mention the fact that the punishment certainly didn’t fit the crime..

by bammer on Jul 8, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which

punishment? Jail or being suspended indefinitely by the NFL?

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 8, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

i get the suspension but jail + suspension is a little much. Not that what he did isn’t terrible but they def made a point out of him..

by bammer on Jul 8, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I

think the scale of it is what made the punishment so much worse. It wasn’t like he just bet on a few dog fights.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 8, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

he murdered/tortured many many many dogs for his amusement and to make money. How the hell do you NOT go to jail for that! He got off light, actually, only serving 18 months.

"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 8, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well if you put it in those words :)

by bammer on Jul 10, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On The Falcoholic, we actually just talked about how

without Roddy, Ryan would have looked relatively average.

You have opinions. Share them.

by tlozwarlock on Jul 7, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's

a great player no doubt, you guys just signed him to an extention I think.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess

i should just chalk this up to a bad decision…i really didn’t think my comments were all that egregious. I actually held back my real thoughts on Kiffin so as not to rile them up…well i guess with a name like bammer that pretty much wasn’t going to happen…funny thing is…i feel my points were right on and they were in fact SCARY delusional…

by bammer on Jul 7, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're correct in every sense.

They’ll never see that though. Might as well not bother them until the season starts and we kick their…ahem. :-D

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by tlozwarlock on Jul 7, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You

also have to realize that UT and AU fans are hypersensitive right now for obvious reasons. Much like we were from 2002-07.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 7, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hypersensitive?

Screw you buddy! I’ll show you sensitive you SOB.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 7, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

back to the original discussion

bammer, i have to agree w/ you. kiffin (ut) and chizik (au) are in the same boat. not the same make/ model, but both in boats in water. maybe not bot in freshwater, but…. i digress. the situations are identical, but very similar. now, i’m away from my original point, too….
i will say this, i think tony franklin shaved, showered, put on some glasses and now goes by the alias “guz malzahn”.

by JDinGeorgia on Jul 7, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear God I hope not

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 8, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear god

we hope so…

by bammer on Jul 8, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Malzahn

will have more of a run game than Franklin had (or so I read).

 I also think that there will be less backstage crap going on as there was with Franklin. No one really got behind TF’s offense and we didn’t have the size or experience to go into it head on.

I am hoping that Malzahn will be able to find some middle ground between the pass and the run and for God’s sake play Fannin. I think up tempo is good, but i better not see any of that simon-says head up head down whack-a-mole crap from our o-line.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 8, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I don’t get Auburn…for more reasons this but..

Why go away from the one thing you guys are known best for…RUNNING the ball..I seriously thought that Tubbs would revert back to the "good ole days’’ after firing Franklin but no…

Now Chizik comes in and pretty much implements the same thing Franklin had but with Malzahn…the inner workings of AU right now seem to be kind like this…

by bammer on Jul 8, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't argue with that

simmay, sammy, swammy, samsonite. I was way off.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 8, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

....and totally redeem yourself!!

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 8, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Who is bobby lowder and who is jay jacobs?

"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson

by BamaReturns07 on Jul 8, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy

Lowder is Lloyd and Jacobs is Harry. You think Lowder would actually let Jacobs drive? Harry is the evil mastermind and so is Lowder. Jacobs, he’s just the bumbling buffoon who should know better.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 8, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops

Lloyd is the evil mastermind not Harry.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 8, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm dumb. You're dumber.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Jul 8, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

THats a first

an Auburn guy admitting he’s dumb..If we could get Jay to understand that…

by bammer on Jul 10, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Seriously. Go read what you posted.

Am I the only one in the world that thinks that Lane Kiffin might be the next big bust in college football head coaches.

You just called another team’s guy “the next big bust” in college football. You can’t even pretend like you didn’t know what that was going to do. Coming back here and playing the victim card is really, really weak.

Even if you were right, this is a really tacky way to do it.

You don’t go to your friends’ house and say “Man, your wife sure is packing on the pounds these days, isn’t she?”, do you?

Same thing.

by PeteHoliday on Jul 9, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There you are.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 10, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DUDE..

I didn’t write that…

by bammer on Jul 10, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get your

facts straight…

by bammer on Jul 10, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apologies

I figured that since you linked “stirred the pot” to that post rather than some comment, that you wrote it. My fault.

Still, I stand by the rest of it. Except for the last part, which I will amend to this:

You don’t go to your friends’ house and, when he says to his wife “Damn, honey, you sure are packing on the pounds these days!”, say “Yeah, he’s right… you’re a real porker.”

by PeteHoliday on Jul 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so

the fact that i never said he was bust…which i didn’t…and the fact that all i did was claim that Kiffin’s or UT’s situation is a lot like Chizikz is flaming?

Its not…

My response to the “Im i the only one that thinks he’s a bust” is no…there are a lot of people that think he is one..and I never said that i was one.

Doesnt matter…its hard to argue with fans who are delusional in their thinking..especially UT fans.

by bammer on Jul 10, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t say it was flaming, I said it was tacky. Which it is.

You’re really not acting differently from the folks who came to bama message boards when Saban was hired to talk about how dishonest he was, how he was going to be gone in a few years, etc.

Maybe you were hoping for “YA UcheaT fans r delushnil LOL”, which is fine — but let’s not pretend like you shouldn’t have known that pissing on their head coach wasn’t going to set them off.

by PeteHoliday on Jul 10, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just cause

that ticked me off

Bust!

8-1_tiny by PETER_GRIFFIN on Jul 1, 2009 9:11 PM EDT Comment 69 comments

http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2009/7/1/934941/bust

I didn’t start the thread..and before Memphis got his butt hurt by me comparing Kiffin to Chizik, me and hooper were having a very civil conversation..I didn’t flame…i didn’t push buttons..i just talked..if they want to believe that Kffin is SO much better than Chizik then by all means do so…..but yes they are delusional.

by bammer on Jul 10, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is one huge problem with this analysis. First, it’s “annual bowl revenue” and not "annual BCS bowl revenue.’ The power conferences send more teams to non-BCS bowls than the MWC or any other conference which doesn’t have an automatic bid to the BCS. For example, the MWC has only four conference tie-ins to bowls (Las Vegas, Poinsettia, Armed Forces, and New Mexico). The ACC has nine: (BCS, Chick-fil-A, Gator, Champs Sports, Music City, Meineke, Emerald, Humanitarian (I think this one has been replaced), and the EagleBank bowl)).
Further, bowls with power conferences pay more on average. Only the Las Vegas pays at least $1 million, whereas 6 pay at least a $1 million for the ACC. This increase had a lot more to do with having more bowl games than anything else. These extra bowl games usually selected teams from the power conferences, because well, a 7-5 Clemson will bring in more money than a 7-5 UTEP. Simply put, even without the BCS, the disparity would still be there. You also can’t argue that it’s collusion just because of a disparity. The Big Ten has nothing to do with the ACC’s selection into the Chick-fil-A bowl and the BCS certainly doesn’t have anything to do with the payouts of non-BCS bowls.
Further, the MWC doesn’t want a playoff. Part of going to a bowl game is the requirement to sell an allotment of tickets. Utah had to sell about 7,500 of their original 17,500 tickets to Alabama fans and the general public in order to ensure they didn’t end up losing money. And that was with four weeks of selling! Now, imagine if they only had one week (a playoff would have to start the very next week and probably have it’s championship around mid-December – like the other NCAA Divisions). Further, imagine if Utah had to do this to the 2-3 rounds of the Championship; now, imagine if one week the game was in Florida, the next in California, the next in New Orleans. It’s unlikely that a team that struggled to sell the allotment for one game will be able to sell it for another two on short notice.
No, the MWC wanted one of two things: an automatic bid of their own or to eliminate automatic bids. The MWC is more mad that Boise St. and TCU did not get in as well. The problem is that the BCS bowls also have long-standing traditional tie-ins with these bowls (example: ACC with the Orange). I’m not hearing the MWC willing to give up the Las Vegas bowl to replace a tie-in. The MWC is just being disingenuous when they said they wanted a playoff.

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