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Just a bit of a blurb post here, but here goes a few random thoughts from looking around the SEC West:

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Chris Todd ladies and gentlemen!

Auburn: Perhaps the biggest news of the past couple of days is that Auburn has named Chris Todd their starting quarterback for the 2009 season. Most thought Todd's chances of playing time left with Tony Franklin, but after undergoing successful shoulder surgery this Spring, the senior has surprised many by grabbing the starting job. Of course, though, there is plenty here for a cynic to pick over. Todd missed all of Spring practice, but nevertheless he comes into Fall practice and wins the starting job in basically a week? On the surface, that seemingly says more about the shortcomings of the other quarterbacks on the roster than it does about Todd's own abilities. Now, I will say that, if he remains healthy -- and given the complete lack of depth up front, that could be a huge if -- Todd may very well turn out to be a fairly decent quarterback for Auburn, but again it's hard to paint over what this entails for the rest of the quarterbacks on the roster. At the very least, I think you can write "recruiting busts" beside the names of Neil Caudle and Kodi Burns. Perhaps Burns can make something work as a wide receiver / wildcat option, but he's clearly never going to be the high-end every-down quarterback many Auburn fans thought he would when they signed him out of Arkansas. I imagine Rollison wins the back-up job as a true freshman, and if Todd struggles down the stretch, he will probably start to see playing time. Either way, it's his team in 2010 and beyond.

Ole Miss: For the life of me, I will never understand the hype surrounding the Rebels. They have the exact same questions Alabama does on the offensive line, except that they have many more questions in the defensive back seven, and they have much less talent and quality depth to fill those holes than either does Alabama or LSU. Furthermore, Greg Hardy continues to be hampered by his foot injury, which was recently aggravated after he wrecked his Escalade (insert obligatory eye roll here), Bobby Massie is just now getting on campus, Jamar Hornsby has been sent packing, and Tig Barksdale has spent more time in court the past week than on the practice field. Oh sure they have Jevan Snead, but let's be precise here... he had a good but not great year in 2008, and the offensive line protecting him will not be as good in 2009. And yet he's supposedly going to carry the entire team to Atlanta and beyond? Moreover, the two key games against Alabama and LSU are in Oxford, but I think it's clear that actual value of home-field advantage is, at the very least, greatly overstated and the actual impact is quite small, if existent at all.  And, of course, making matters worse, Houston Nutt teams have never played particularly well when surrounded with a lot of hype. I'll say it now... there is no way this team is going to live up to the hype, period. I feel confident in saying that, four months from now, we can frame that recent SI cover right alongside that "'Bama Is Back" cover from 2005.

Arkansas: I'm obviously not to high on Johnny Reb, but I will readily admit that Arkansas scares me quite a bit. Bobby Petrino built a very productive offense last year out of a terrible collection of talent, and he'll get a big upgrade in raw talent in 2009. Ryan Mallett should thrive in Petrino's scheme, and the backfield is suddenly loaded with talent. If this team can find any semblance whatsoever of a functional defense, it's going to make for a very daunting opponent. And let's be honest, this team wasn't necessarily that bad a year ago. They knocked off Auburn and LSU, and came within a hair of beating Ole Miss. Furthermore, the Alabama game was a lot closer than you probably remember... it was an evenly played game sans four huge plays that went the Tide's way that created a 28-point swing (Coffee's touchdown run, Dick's two interception returns for touchdowns, and the goal line stand before halftime). Bottom line, this team will probably be pretty difficult in 2009. I imagine they beat Auburn again, and they should pull an upset over another big SEC team as well. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they could get us. At the very least, I imagine our contest with them will be much more reminiscent of what we saw in 2006 and 2007 than what we saw in 2008.

LSU: The Bayou Bengals are clearly the most intriguing and unpredictable team going into the 2009 season. They have the talent to be a national title contender, and once again the schedule is filled with creampuffs to the point that seven wins is effectively a birthright. Moreover, the addition of John Chavis as defensive coordinator -- though it's a move I don't like long-term -- is clearly a big upgrade over the two bumbling idiots they had a year ago. On the other hand, they still have a lot of question marks at the quarterback position, a couple of big holes to fill on the offensive line, and quite a few other question marks as well. Furthermore, the Tigers have led the SEC by a wide margin in fumble luck the past two years, and it's only a matter of time before we see some serious regression to the mean in that department. All in all, I have no idea exactly what these guys are going to do, and frankly I don't think anyone else does either. Talking with any certainty about their upcoming season, to me, is more of an exercise in ignorance than in expertise. If I had to say, I'd say they could go anywhere from 7-5 to 11-1, and I'd give them approximately a twenty-percent chance of each particular outcome along that spectrum.

Mississippi State: I like Dan Mullen quite a bit as both a person and as a coach, and frankly I think you have to be a real bastard to hold anything in particular against the traditionally hapless Bullies. But with that in mind, when I look at this I still get the feeling that this is the stereotypical case of a rising assistant jumping on the first major head coaching offer he receives, regardless of how poor of a fit it may be and regardless of how difficult the path is moving forward. Truth be told, MSU is an impossible situation, and just getting them to play at a respectable level is a daunting task in its own right. They have no tradition to speak of, a relatively small talent base to pick from (and one that is generally picked clean by out-of-state programs and Ole Miss), the facilities are far behind the top SEC programs, Starkville is a one-horse town, and MSU as a university is nothing overly special. And making matters worse, the existing roster at Mississippi State is a very poor fit for Mullen's spread option offense, and getting the right pieces in place will take years. Now again, why did Mullen take this job? He could have stayed at Florida, their offense would have racked up another kajillion points, probably won another national title, and he would have been an even more impressive candidate on the open market. I hope it works out for Mullen and MSU, mind you, but I just cannot help but think that is just another example of a rising assistant jumping on the first big-time head coaching job he is offered.

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Pretty much nailed it...

Esp the hype over the Rebels; the danger of the Hogs; and, the wild inconsistency of LSU.

I just won a t-shirt tearing contest against the Tennessee coaching staff

by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 17, 2009 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

MSU

First, MSU holds its own in the state. In the past decade or so, it’s more fair to say out of state schools cherry pick a couple to a handful top recruits and MSU and Ole Miss split the rest. Sometimes Ole Miss gets the bulk, sometimes State gets the bulk (like last class).

Second, Mississippi high schools athletes are well-suited to run in a spread-option scheme and always produce good defensive players. Sylvester Croom made the mistake of thinking he could run a pro-style offense with MS recruits. That was a debacle. The main problem has been the lack of Offensive Linemen in the state.

Third, while facilities are behind that of say UF or UT, so what? They’re better than 75-80% of the rest of FBS schools. And Starkville may not be Athens, but again so what? It has bars, restaurants, and pretty girls just like every other school in the league. For a kid coming from Podunk, MS, it’s pretty freaking cosmopolitan.

As State fans, we know the challenges we face, but to dismiss our chances out of hand is a little short-sighted. Besides, no one is asking for BCS championships, just the kind of up and down seasons schools like USC or Arkansas have had the past decade.

by hailstate on Aug 17, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll say this...

…as true as the “Ole Miss is wall to wall hot girls” meme is, you can almost apply it to the entire state of Mississippi. Hell, even Hattiesburg has enough smoking hot girls to have made me seriously wish I had maybe thought a little longer about staying close to home for college.

by Todd on Aug 17, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll fix it for you.
Besides, no one while one guy with a crudely drawn poster is asking for BCS championships, the overwhelming majority of rational State fans just want the kind of up and down seasons schools like USC or Arkansas have had the past decade.

There.

by hailstate on Aug 17, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

so what you are actually saying is...

…rational state fans know better than to ever aspire for championship seasons.

by kleph on Aug 17, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

An SECW title is doable.

An SECC is even attainable if the stars align, however I don’t believe we’ll ever win an MNC – in football. Basketball and baseball is another story entirely.

by hailstate on Aug 17, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

So you don't get the "hype"

of being picked 3rd in the division at SEC Media Days? The “hype” isn’t at all universal or consistent. Too many people pretend as if they’re the only ones with the “wild theory” that Ole Miss won’t make it to Atlanta. Hell, there are tons of Ole Miss fans who don’t think we’ll make it to Atlanta.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 17, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

They "hype" in which we are speaking of (at least what im speaking of)

is the fact in some of the preseason polls, the Rebs are picked ahead of other teams that are obviously better. Also, SI’s little hype train they started last week didn’t help either.

Most of the time its the fans that don’t buy into the hype…its the media that creates a storm outside of the program or fanbase.

But i have read your blog and many of the posters there. Sure, you guys deny the hype and point to the fact that you are picked 3rd in the West…but down deep inside you believe that Ole Miss might just be the best in the west…

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Aug 17, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

If they were "obviously" better

then Ole Miss wouldn’t be picked above them. You can’t pretend as if the media just ignores the obvious… because, ummm, they don’t?

Seriously though, Ole Miss, LSU, and Bama are really in a three-way tie right now. I know that Bama fans and LSU fans either won’t admit or can’t comprehend such a thing, but Ole Miss has as good a shot to win the West as anybody.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 17, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

actually...

the last time i checked the standings, alabama, lsu, ole miss, arkansas, mississippi state and auburn were in a six-way tie for the west with each having as good a shot to win it all.

by kleph on Aug 17, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

From the SI

article that Kleph linked below..

Why is there all this Ole Miss love this pre-season?

Well, it’s got to be somebody. Actually if you are talking about the main rankings in the magazine, that’s a collective thing which is the result of a bunch of people on staff getting together to come up with the list. If you look at my first AP poll you’ll see those schools [in the SEC West] are actually a lot closer together. The fact is Ole Miss has a strong team. They lost Peria Jerry and Michael Oher, and that’s a lot to lose, but they are still bringing a lot of talent back this year.

And their schedule is really favorable particularly when compared to the other SEC schools … other than Florida who got the best draw of any SEC school I’ve seen in a year they are supposed to be good. Ole Miss does have to go to South Carolina and to Vanderbilt early but that’s about as tough as it gets before they get into the real meat of it. Potentially they could be meeting Alabama on Oct. 10 undefeated.

And part of it is novelty. It’s pretty unusual to have Ole Miss being seriously considered for a National Championship any year. When it’s LSU and Alabama, people are a lot more used to hearing about them.

Doesn’t sound like they think its because they are better…just that they needed someone to hype that isn’t Alabama, LSU or UF.

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Aug 17, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

my personal impression...

…was that staples was saying pretty much what TGOJC has here… that Ole Miss is a legitimate contender for the SEC West title although the odds for LSU and Alabama were probably better. moreover, he was very clear that Arkansas is a very real threat and any of these teams has the ability to best Florida if all the cards fall correctly.

i’m at a loss to understand how this contention is in any way contrary to the observation that ole miss is a darkhorse MNC contender (winning the SEC West is as direct a route to the Rose Bowl this year as any) or in any way disrespectful of said program.

by kleph on Aug 17, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah..

Ole Miss is a contender…and like you said above, so is MSU and Auburn.

What i find funny is that Ole Miss fans are the first to point out they were picked 3rd in the west but will also defend to the death that they are SEC west contenders…

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Aug 17, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

because...umm...uh...

telling us not to believe the hype but turn around and say “they might just win the west” is funny to me…

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Aug 17, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok are you just messing with me...

Cause the hype involves them being picked to win the west…so if you tell me to disregard the hype …but believe they can win the west…thats a contradicting statement..and i don’t like being confused on Mondays…

So i choose not to believe the hype and by doing so I do not believe they will win the west…

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Aug 17, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

there is a massive difference...

…between the “hype” as ole miss being the power team in the SEC this year and having a realistic assessment of their chances in the conference. most rational ole miss fans, such as TGOJC, are very clear in making a distinction between the two. moreover attacking them for this is essentially relying a straw man argument.

by kleph on Aug 17, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

What is it with the threads

going waaaay deeper and darker than they should lately? We seriously need to begin the season so we can argue with opposing fans rather than amongst ourselves. Sheesh!

by BigChief on Aug 17, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's called competing like a champion, a'ight.

I just won a t-shirt tearing contest against the Tennessee coaching staff

by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 17, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree...

….there are a few guys here that love being the “Devil’s Advocate”. You know this blog has hit rock bottom when arguments over syntax and grammar insue. The season can’t get started fast enough in my opinion.

by akbrown15 on Aug 17, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

.

there are a few guys here that love being the "Devil’s Advocate"

I hope i don’t fall into that group….

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Aug 17, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

...for example...My sentence should

….probably say “quick enough….instead of fast enough”. No one corrected it. Cool! Maybe we’re finally getting somewhere….

by akbrown15 on Aug 17, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

dude..

im the worst about the grammar thing…you’ll never see me correct anyone on what they should have said or how they should have said it.

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Aug 17, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that...

…when these arguments over grammar ensue, the season cannot start quickly enough. Well said.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 17, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

and of course they have a shot

but just looking at raw numbers, what type of talent teams are bringing back etc…it seems as if Ole Miss has MORE holes than LSU or UA…its not that you guys are going to be good or better, its just that you guys have a ways to go…especially on the defense side that isn’t the d-line.

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Aug 17, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

And

the Ole Miss hype is unabashedly, admittedly media-driven. As noted last week, SI et al are looking for a sexy early story and glossing over the holes that Ole Miss has to fill.

Not that Ole Miss will be a bad squad, but those bullish on them should be a bit more sanguine and clear-eyed.

I just won a t-shirt tearing contest against the Tennessee coaching staff

by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 17, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

the Ole Miss hype is unabashedly, admittedly media-driven

+1

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Aug 17, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

keep in mind...

…OTS isn’t necessarily accusing Ole Miss fans of drinking the Kool Aid here. the fact is that Ole Miss as the fashionable dark horse pick has been noted as far back as april. the pre-season polls did nothing but confirm that the popularity of this perception. and, as such, it’s a valid point to call into question.

i wanted to touch on this topic with SI’s andy staples last week in order to have a MSM representative give a bit of insight into why this off-season meme has been so persistent. but debunking that perception isn’t necessarily demeaning the team itself. although quite a few of your compatriots seemed to feel that the interview was doing precisely that.

by kleph on Aug 17, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ole Miss...

…probably won’t finish the season as the best team in the West, but they could still win the division (there’s a first time for everything). Comparing their schedule to that of LSU, it almost seems that all they have to do is beat us to achieve that goal. It’s obviously not that simple, but it’s also not too difficult to imagine. And though he’s late to the party, having Bobby Massie on board now is huge for them.

Do I expect them to win the division? Hell, no. But I didn’t expect the glory of last year’s Auburn 5-7 meltdown 12-0 regular season, either. I’m just ready for the hitting fun to begin.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 17, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

and once again the schedule is filled with creampuffs to the point that seven wins is effectively a birthright

…Says the fan of the school that dodges both Georgia and Florida this year…

by LSU Jonno on Aug 17, 2009 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes...

…our coaching staff is so shrewd in the way they manipulate the SEC schedule every year. Unfortunately, Virginia Tech rolled onto our non-conference schedule this year; otherwise, we’d have it made.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 17, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't change

the fact that our schedule will be just as tough or tougher than yours. We also play yall, ole miss, and UGA in the road. As well as fly all the way up to Washington to play on the road. By the way, Miles had his chance to play VT and destroyed them.

by Bob Barker on Aug 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

On the road...

…at Washington? Jeez, I didn’t realize you had such a tough non-conference matchup on the books. Don’t worry…anything’s possible. Good luck out there!

by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 19, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...

…if Les Miles were my head coach, I’d be worried about Washington, too.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 19, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

it’s not Texas on the road, but it is certainly better than ULL at home. I know it’s not a incredibly hard game and we should win. I know that the VT game is a bigger game, but it’s still across the country and the game starts at 9:30 central time and they might end up being a middle of the road pac-10 team. The point I was really trying to get across was that LSU’s SEC schedule really sucks this year. The only break we really catch is playing UF at home. But then you have to take into account that we have to play them.

by Bob Barker on Aug 20, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Georgia and Florida

dodged US this year.

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by LittleSis on Aug 18, 2009 5:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Aug 18, 2009 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

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