More NCAA Troubles?
http://www.tidesports.com/article/20090823/NEWS/908239995/1011?Title=UA-has-met-with-NCAA-on-Jones-Ingram-matter
hopefully this turns out all okay.
TUSCALOOSA | The University of Alabama has not self-reported any NCAA violations related to a spring fishing excursion taken by football players Julio Jones and Mark Ingram, but at least one member of the UA compliance staff has flown to Indianapolis to discuss the situation with NCAA enforcement representatives, The Tuscaloosa News has learned.
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Just a couple of things on this issue......
1) Even if this is found to be a violation (and there’s a good chance it might not), if the value of the trip is revealed to be less than $100, the players write a check to charity and this goes away.
2) If it is a violation, and it’s found to have a value over $100, you are looking at suspensions….but, for a value that is as low as this, no more than a game or two. Obviously, that wouldn’t be good, given our opener, but neither is it the end of the world.
3) Best news of all: this is a player eligibility issue, not an institutional violation issue. In other words, for good or bad, this is all over when we kick off against Virginia Tech.
If this guy
Anderson knew Julio from Julio’s days of working at the marina and they were friends outside of football, as Anderson claims, I would say there is no foul. And, since there appears to be no connection by Anderson to anything Alabama how can the NCAA claim this was a football related benefit? They can not.
If Julio or Ingram get even 1 qt. of a game suspension while USC continues to go scott free there is no justice at the NCAA.
Oh well, I guess we better start working on a game plan for no Julio or Ingram for a while because this is the National Committee Against Alabama we are talking about. And just pray that some student at Bama hasn’t let GMac cut in the food line at the Ferg.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
damn...
you can’t even take a breath without letting the NCAA know nowadays…
I agree with some rules, but for the most part, let these kids live…
enjoy...
Wow
A fishing trip = game suspension? There are words on the tip of my tongue that I dare not speak at the moment but the sentiments can be summarized thusly: $##%#$^&(*%^$%##^%$#%$^
When two players cannot take a fishing trip with a friend because the NCAA thinks it’s some sort of “benefit” for being a football player, then I say to hell with the NCAA. Let’s go semi-pro.
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Sounds like a trap...
It was an Auburn booster that hosted the fishing trip!!
Got that winning feelin'
Hold the torches and pitchforks
The NCAA hasn’t said word one about this yet, so getting pissed at them is a mite pointless.
This was a self-investigated issue, likely initiated because of a) the repeat violator window and b) enhanced compliance requirements from being on probation. The football team has likely known about this issue for weeks if not months, and you still saw Julio and Ingram taking a lion share of reps. What does this tell us?
The football team doesn’t think it’s a big deal. If Saban thought there was even a chance that Julio would be suspended in week 1, you would see his injury played up and his reps significantly reduced in an effort to get the #2 guy ready to play in the #1 spot.
Also, if everything the guy said in his interview is true, it would be incredibly difficult to call him a booster. Not impossible, but difficult to say the very least. The max suspension typically meted out for extra benefits major violations are 1/3 season (4 game) suspensions. There’s almost no way this was a sub-$100 trip (they chartered a fishing boat), but still we’re not talking about thousands of dollars a person.
My guess is that this is passed up the chain but nothing comes of it.
I'm wrong all the time.
Spot on.
The football team has likely known about this issue for weeks if not months, and you still saw Julio and Ingram taking a lion share of reps. What does this tell us?
My guess is that this is passed up the chain but nothing comes of it.
Very true. This is self-reporting something that may look (pardon the pun) fishy to compliance; however, at the end of the day, it’s nothing to get riled up over. Considering the repeat violator window, and the pending appeal, we have to remove even the hint of impropriety.
I just won a t-shirt tearing contest against the Tennessee coaching staff
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2009 3:38 AM CDT up reply actions
hey dude
thanks for the legal information. i got out of that ticket. i didn’t commit perjury either. i scaled back my approach and just contested a few things here and there said “i’d prefer not to answer that question” twice when directly asked if i was driving or if i’d rented it from enterprise. the judge wound up saying she didn’t believe the state met the “preponderance of responsibility” or whatever. i think i did a decent job of pointing out what i called the “extra legal” process of obtaining the drivers information from the rental company and i asked the guy who was prosecutin if he could describe the name of the document he received from enterprise, he couldn’t because his office didn’t. i asked if he could tell me who did receive it? was it considered “sworn testimony”? is it still available, any specific reason why it was omitted from the 7 other items of evidence you introduced? does it really exist? how can you prove it if you cannot produce it then? is there anyone from enterpise willing to testify that i rented from them? and he had no answers for any of it. i then asked if his case could be surmised as “we have pictures of a guy who looks vaguely like the defendant but we dont have any other evidence to link this car and this license plate to the defendant. you’ll just have to trust us the driver is this guy. and to support that argument here are 7 items of evidence which speak only to the fact that the car in the pictures was speeding but do not in any way address who is driving.”
so i fought the law and won today. i’m pretty sure this is the only time its ever happened to me. and it’s all cause i scaled back my arguments a little. for real it feels like your giving up and asking for a guilty verdict when the judge asks you point blank and you can only say “i’d rather not answer that”. but i’ll be damned if it didn’t work.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Aug 24, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
the prosecuter guy (he wasn't a real one, you could tell) was pisssssssed off too. it was lovely...
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Aug 24, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice!
Congrats! Glad my not-legal-advice was helpful!
Hopefully the prosecution will be a little less cavalier about those cases in the future.
I'm wrong all the time.
hell yeah man
and the silver lining is that i had to do all this research on AZ’s photo radar laws, and now i know how to beat all the tickets, so i can go 10 over on the freeway again!
az’s photo radar laws are so retarded it’s not funny, legally you can escape fault and/or any kind of penalty as long as you do not respond to the letter you are mailed (the letter however doesn’t advise you of this, it just looks like a summons) and evade being served for 90 days. and the 90 day clock starts when the ticket is “filed with the court” so it works out to having to evade a server for 1-2 months, starting a few weeks after you get the ticket in the mail. you are not legally compelled to respond to the ticket in the mail though, thats the f-d up part. it sure looks like a real ticket and if you are honest/gullible enough to respond then you’re on the hook for the real ticket and will get points on your license and everything. it’s so f-d up. only people who are shady and hyper legally aware get around the system… it’s not cool but no way i’m getting more points and paying a 300 dollar fine on principal…
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
by tempebamafan on Aug 24, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Not legal advice until when?
Mid-Sept? LOL!
I just won a t-shirt tearing contest against the Tennessee coaching staff
by Stuck in the Plains on Aug 24, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree, not gonna be serious
If I’m not mistaken didn’t the article say something about them only traveling out about six miles because of his medical condition. I think a couple of years ago me and two of my friends chartered a boat in Gulf Shores, we didn’t go out but a few miles and it was definately less than $100.
This from Gentry Estes yesterday:
“The University is aware of Mr. Anderson, and has taken appropriate steps,” said Deborah M. Lane, UA’s assistant to the president and assistant vice president for university relations. “Mr. Anderson is not affiliated with UA. He is not a UA booster, fan or alumnus, and is not a UA season ticket holder. In fact, Mr. Anderson told us that all of his family are fans of another SEC school.”
Zeke’s offers daily “offshore fishing cruises” for a wide range of prices, depending on the time of trip, length of trip and the size of the boat. It’s possible that the cost of a trip for Anderson, Jones and Ingram could have totaled less than $100 per person, which sources have said matches UA’s findings in this case.
Bylaw 12.1.2.1.6 of the NCAA rulebook outlaws “Preferential treatment, benefits or services because of the individual’s athletics reputation or skill or pay-back potential as a professional athlete. … For violations of this bylaw in which the value of the benefit is $100 or less, the eligibility of the individual shall not be affected, conditioned on the individual repaying the value of the benefit to a charity of his or her choice.”
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
Didn't all this come to light
because Auburn people ran their mouths? Maybe I’m confusing it with one of the thousand other rumors of illegal Bama doings I read about on the internet, but I think something like this is so minor that the only reason it ever came up is that some Auburn ballsmoker went out of his way to try to get Bama in trouble.
MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--
BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.
Expectations...
From the outset, I don’t expect anything to come of this one. Nevertheless, I imagine we should hear something official on this really soon, likely by the end of the week. Virginia Tech preparations will start Thursday, and I’m sure at the absolute latest we’ll know something by Monday so we can plan accordingly.
Again, though, I’m not really expecting much to come of this. And Pete is right, don’t get pissed at the NCAA over this one yet. As far as I can tell, to date they have merely had an advisory role with us just keeping them really well informed on our investigation.
by outsidethesidelines on Aug 26, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions

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