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Fall Practice News & Notes: August 9th

After real life rudely intruded all of last week, it's time to get back to some more substantive posting here at RBR. As we all know, the Tide officially reported for Fall camp last week, and Fall practice is now well underway. With that in mind, here are a few news and notes from the first few days:

  • Perhaps the most exciting part of the beginning of Fall practice is seeing the incoming freshman for the first time on the field. With the highly-touted recruiting classes of Nick Saban, that excitement is at its apogee in Tuscaloosa. Last year's recruiting class drew rave reviews the first time that we saw it (and rightly so), but if anything the reviews surrounding the 2009 class have been even more bullish than was the case with its immediate predecessor. Almost every single signee has impressed observers, whether it be with raw size, physique, strength, speed, or some combination of those attributes. In fact, Rodney Orr, publisher of Tider Insider, even went so far to say that this group was the most physically impressive freshman class he has seen at Alabama to yet, and it should be noted that he has been in Tuscaloosa covering the Tide since the Stallings era, so that says quite a bit. Only time will tell for sure, but if early indications are accurate, the Tide's 2009 recruiting class looks to be every bit as good as billed. I'll have more up on the incoming freshmen in a later post in the coming days.
  • The two big surprises late in the 2009 recruiting class came with the news that both Darrington Sentimore and Eddie Lacy qualified academically and were cleared by the NCAA Clearinghouse. Both have elite-level talent, and both could have very legitimately been five-star prospects had their academic situation not been judged so hopeless. Sentimore, for example, racked up over 30 sacks the past two years playing in Louisiana's highest classification, including an absolutely dominating performance in the 5A state championship game last year against West Monroe in the Superdome (which earned him MVP honors). Meanwhile, Lacy put up huge production numbers despite being limited by injuries, and truth be told there is very little difference between him and Trent Richardson (if any). It's hard to overstate just how big of an addition these two players are... the Tide now officially has an absurd stockpile of talent at both tailback and defensive end. Furthermore, all the better, after missing out on all of the summer S&C work, both Lacy and Sentimore arrived in better-than-expected shape.
  • One more note on the 2009 class... of the 27 signees, 26 qualified academically. That is nothing short of amazing when you consider that several signees were known academic cases (Steen, Bowman, Lacy, Sentimore, etc.), and it really speaks volumes to Nick Saban and company's ability to identify academic cases, but yet sign those with high-end athletic ability who also have both the raw mental ability and personal discipline needed to rectify their poor academic situations. With 26 of 27 players qualifiying, to the best of my knowledge this is the most academically sound signing class that Alabama has had since Gene Stallings' 1993 class in which every single signee qualified academically.
  • Injuries were a bit of a concern coming out of Spring practice because Alabama was a fairly beat up team. Julio Jones underwent three major surgeries after his spectacular true freshman campaign, Roy Upchurch's status was in the air, Colin Peek was limited with a foot injury, D.J. Fluker had shoulder surgery, as did Rod Woodson and Dre Kirkpatrick. Kendall Kelly had hip surgery, and several other players were fighting through injury issues as well. Fortunately, things seem to be going quite well on the injury front. Upchurch was not in a black no-contact jersey (nor was any other Tide player, sans the quarterbacks), and seems to be good to go, while the rest of those recovering from off-season surgery do not seem to be limited either. The one injury concern -- and it could prove to be a major one -- is with Colin Peek, and it is now a given that he will play the season on a foot that is less than 100%. He did speak at length recently about how much better he feels thanks to the medical staff, but nevertheless this is still not where we would want him to be at this point. 
  • Greg McElroy is clearly the starter at quarterback, and he will remain so unless he either suffers a major injury or experiences a Crompton-esque showing once the season starts. Unfortunately, there is no clear number two quarterback at this point, and you do not have to parse Saban's words too closely to realize that he does not currently feel that we have a serviceable back-up quarterback on the roster. Judging by his words, I have a hard time believing that our staff would feel the least bit comfortable having either Star Jackson or Thomas Darrah under center in meaningful situations. A.J. McCarron, for what it's worth, has impressed with his size and arm strength, and it wouldn't be out of the question to think that he may emerge as the back-up by the time we load up for Atlanta.
  • Around the rest of the roster, one of the moves of note is that 2008 signee Undra Billingsley has been moved to tight end. Billingsley was a versatile player coming out of Woodlawn, and was moved from defensive end following Spring practice. My guess is that with the performance of Marcel Dareus and Damien Square, along with a slew of talented defensive linemen coming in from the 2009 class, Billingsley was a bit expendable at defensive end, and we could use his size at tight end. I'm not sure the coaching staff really expects a whole lot from him this year, but he's a solid 260-270 pound player and he should eventually be able to be a good blocker much like Travis McCall was a year ago. Moreover, it's not like Billingsley is a scrub as a pass catcher either... as a junior at Woodlawn, he caught 25 passes for around 500 yards playing tight end.
  • Aside from Billingsley, there has been a few other position moves, but nothing particularly of note. Just about all of the linebackers have moved around quite a bit, and both Glenn Harbin and Milton Talbert have flipped back and forth between defensive end and Jack linebacker. The offensive line has been all over the place with several different players, and it's been a bit chaotic. That point established, though, we should all keep in mind that Saban has a long reputation for being a bit of a mad scientist on the field and it's a standard operating procedure for him to be moving players around. As of right now, I really do not see anything just yet that would indicate any of these moves are much more than that.
  • The apparent murder of Kerry Murphy's brother is both a tragedy for Murphy and his family, and on a far less important note, a concern for the Alabama football team as well. From the beginning, Murphy has already been through just about everything. He didn't qualify twice, fought through a tour of duty at Hargrave, and then had to go back home to get eligible, all the while his mother was working with everything she had to support him and their family. And then he finally makes it, and apparently makes great strides in the off-season S&C program to get himself back in shape, and on the day of his first crack at Fall practice, the terrible news strikes that his brother has apparently been murdered. I don't know what else to say, but it's hard to find many more tragic situations than that. And, again on a far less important note, it's a concern for the Tide as well. Murphy is going to miss some time (and maybe a lot of time, if he needs to), and we were counting on him to provide quality depth behind Terrence Cody this year. Hopefully he can get back to camp quickly, but again, it goes without saying that he clearly has far more important things on the agenda right now than football. He was back on campus this morning for picture day, for what it's worth, so hopefully that is a sign that things are going as well as can reasonably be expected. We'll have to wait and see if he sticks around this afternoon and participates in practice.
  • Obviously we are still very early in Fall practice, and we've got a long way to go. Only in the past day or so did the team finally put on shells, and full contact work is still at least a few days away. It's hard to read anything overly insightful into what a team does in the first couple of days, and that is particularly the case with a Saban squad that frequently moves players around to different roles on an almost daily basis. However, once Fan Day comes to a close today, we'll start quickly moving in on preparations for the first scrimmage of Fall, and if history holds true, that will really tell us where this thing is headed. Things tend to get fairly solidified after scrimmages start, so we should start getting a better idea of how the Tide is shaping up in the coming days.

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Colin Peek

Thanks for the write up as always. I’ve heard Colin Peek has always been a bit injury prone. Who’s going to be the pass catching tight end when/if he’s out?

by Bobby Briggs on Aug 9, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...

… I don’t think he’s going to miss any time, that’s not the issue. He played through it all Spring — and looked pretty good — despite the condition being much worse by then. The real issue will likely be that even if Peek doesn’t have a serious setback at some point in the near future, he’s still probably going to be pretty beaten and banged up over the course of a long, grueling schedule, and he’ll have to play at below 100%.

Now, moving on, without Peek we still have plenty of good pass catchers at tight end. Brad Smelley and Preston Dial will fit that role just fine. The real problem is going to be that, aside from his pass catching abilities, Peek is also an above average blocker, so you really have to find a guy who can be both an above average receiver and an above average blocker. And unfortunately, we really do not have those guys. Smelley and Dial are nice receiving threats, but the bulk isn’t there to be above average blockers, and unless someone like Underwood, Williams, or Billingsley have a big Fall practice, we really just do not have a guy on the roster who can adequately replace Peek.

If he goes down for a while, or is even limited for any extended period of time, I think it will be a given that the production level of the offense falls accordingly. I just do not see us being able to plug in a replacement and see no drop-off.

by outsidethesidelines on Aug 9, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it sends a strong message to future recruits when Saban offers players like Lacy and Sentimore while academic issues loom. And it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy when the players set their minds and attain their goals.

Great write-up and I missed your posts last week.

What do you think of the chances that the incoming recruits like Bowman, Kelly, et al, take McCoy’s WR spot? There is no doubt that they are more physically gifted, I’m just wondering if McCoy and the other veteran receivers will be overtaken.

by brandonh on Aug 9, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions  

McCoy...

… it’s going to be tough. I think there is room for a wide receiver to come in and get some meaningful playing time, but I imagine it will be very difficult to get McCoy’s starting job. He’s a big, strong kid who is a hard worker and also a great blocker in the running game, and Saban loves him for his effort. Moreover, he’s a senior, he has good knowledge of the scheme, and he has built good rapport with McElroy. I know he hasn’t been a big-time receiving threat to yet, but he has had his moments and he has some other things going for him as well.

Again, I do think there is some room for a wide receiver to come in and get some meaningful playing time, but McCoy should still going to see a ton of meaningful snaps. The whole “starter” designation probably is more confusing than anything else because you have such a rotation at the wide receiver position, but that designation notwithstanding, I don’t think it’s likely that anyone will come in and really do enough to take away very much of McCoy’s playing time. As much as he has going for him, I imagine he’s going to see a lot of meaningful snaps regardless of what the incoming freshman crop does.

by outsidethesidelines on Aug 9, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought josh chapman is Cody's backup...?

Or am I remembering wrong?

We are not the same persons this year as last; nor are those we love. It is a happy chance if we, changing, continue to love a changed person. ~W. Somerset Maugham

by BamaReturns07 on Aug 9, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Chapman...

Chapman is Cody’s back-up, but after Chapman we really do not have another “true” nose guard on the roster sans Murphy. Cody and Chapman rotate in and out in non-passing situations, but if something happens to one of those guys, we’re going to have to move someone else over to the nose and make them play out of position. We’ll basically end up with a kid playing nose guard who should be playing the combo end-tackle position.

And furthermore, Chapman isn’t exactly a guaranteed strength, either. He looked pretty good last year against Tennessee and Arkansas State’s bad offensive lines in Cody’s absence, but when he actually faced a quality line against LSU, Brett Helms and company ate him alive. Now I know he’s as strong as a bull — widely considered the strongest man on the team, in fact — but there is a lot more to playing the position than that, and honestly at this point he’s really an unknown quantity.

Bottom line, we need to have a legitimate nose guard on the roster behind both Cody and Chapman.

by outsidethesidelines on Aug 9, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for addressing that question

and I agree. Although I have heard that he has gotten stronger in the off-season, so maybe that and another year in Saban’s system has helped him.

I was very happy to see Murphy back for fan day. Hope he stays, but no one can imagine what he is going through unless you have been there. I hope he comes back and dedicates the season to his brother.

We are not the same persons this year as last; nor are those we love. It is a happy chance if we, changing, continue to love a changed person. ~W. Somerset Maugham

by BamaReturns07 on Aug 10, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great write up.

Could Saban, would Saban, really go with a true freshman at QB if GMac is injured? I sure hope we get by VT with GMac in tact and then let whomever is the backup have some serious snaps against FIU & N. Tex. I hope we let the back up play in those games in the 1st half even if it is somewhat close.

Personally I think we will go with Star Jackson as backup. Not because he is necessarily the most talented but I just think from a leadership point of view he has a slight advantage. And I don’t know if you blow a year of A.J.’s ellibility for a back up roll against FIU. Now if GMac was injured to the level where he was gone for the season we could see AJ figuring that he might lose a few games early, but at least win some late in the year.

But the bottom line is we must do everything we can to protect GMac which includes not playing him when the game is in hand (see Brodie Croyle) and not running him for any reason and telling him not to make a tackle on an int unless it is the 4th qt. and the game is on the line.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Aug 9, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...

… I don’t think there’s any question that Saban would go with McCarron if he really thought he was the best player out there. Now, of course, if we see some garbage time against someone like FIU, I imagine Saban will play another QB to save McCarron, but if there is any extended period of meaningful playing time about to occur with McElroy on the sideline for any reason, then all bets are off. And honestly, I’ll even venture this… McCarron is probably a more attractive option than Jackson at this point. He’s got a bigger arm and he’s more accurate, and truth be told Jackson has no real “advantage” over him with regard to experience because honestly neither player has any.

You are right, though, about protecting McElroy, that’s an absolute must. Regardless of who the back-up is, I think it’s a given that it will be a very steep drop-off from McElroy.

by outsidethesidelines on Aug 9, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

OTS

is the reason I read this blog. Agreed?

by rhinoskin on Aug 9, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

All 5 of these guys

have something to contribute and taken together they are better reads than anything the print media is putting out with the possible exception of Cecil Hurt.

I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.

by 5026 on Aug 9, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

AND!

we offer a full refund for any reader dissatisfied with the product.

by kleph on Aug 9, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be frank...

… I have follwed Alabama closely my entire life, and I put a lot of effort into my personal work product. I am obviously biased, but I do think it shows. However, that said, as 5026 mentioned, all five of us here have something to contribute, most of it unique in its own way, and I think it all solidifies as a whole to create a very good final product.

Furthermore, as mentioned earlier, you’ll be hard pressed to find much of anything better on the Internet. BOL and ‘BamaMag are over $100, Crimson Confidential is over $80, and Tider Insider is over $50. Now those sites my have some things that we don’t — namely message boards, and occasionally some media (practice photos, etc.) — but if you look at the analysis and commentary on those sites, they cannot compare with what we have to offer here at RBR. At each and every one of those sites, you will pay much more money for inferior content. If you do not believe me, I urge you to join those sites on a trial basis and then make your own decision.

And moreover, in all fairness to ourselves, we aren’t even a slouch on the things that they offer that we do not. We do not have message boards, but we do allow for user comments, and on National Signing Day and in the game threads, we get just about as many posts as those boards do, and at the very least we also offer a channel for reader participation. Moreover, the actual network here at SB Nation is more stable than anything you’ll find there… this past year on NSD, RBR was the only ‘Bama site I knew of that did not have a traffic related crash at some point throughout the day. And finally, with media content, the difference isn’t staggering. We often link to the exact same videos that the subscription sites do, and with SB Nation’s recent affiliation with AP Images, we often have the same images that they do.

Again, I’m obviously a biased observer in this one, but I firmly believe that RBR is easily one of the best Alabama sites on the Internet, and that we consistently offer far superior content for free than what you find with most pay sites.

by outsidethesidelines on Aug 10, 2009 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i was kidding, btw

and rhinoskin’s comment was clearly a kudo for OTS and not necessarily than a jab at the rest of the site. the feedback i personally have gotten for both my efforts and those on the part of my colleagues has been almost completely positive. well… except for when the barners get frisky and head on over here to cause problems, of course.

by kleph on Aug 10, 2009 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with this

I almost joined BOL a couple of years ago, but it is really moot because if something happens I can almost always find that news here within minutes. Would rather spend $20+ on a couple of copies of Yea Alabama and read – and sometimes argue – over fellow members and MODS’ commentary and write ups. You are absolutely right; while a message board would be nice, I think what we have here is pretty damn good, and it is the reason it is my home page on all four of my computers.

We are not the same persons this year as last; nor are those we love. It is a happy chance if we, changing, continue to love a changed person. ~W. Somerset Maugham

by BamaReturns07 on Aug 10, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Another point

The editors and admins on RBR, along with the vast majority of the posters, are pretty knowledgeable in all things football, not just Bama. And the fact that there are widely differing opinions on certain topics within the fandom and we are all open and willing to debate those further adds to the blog.

Plus, we have BamaVicki, so, ya know, that trumps EVERYTHING!

We are not the same persons this year as last; nor are those we love. It is a happy chance if we, changing, continue to love a changed person. ~W. Somerset Maugham

by BamaReturns07 on Aug 10, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

RBR and...

Tidefans.com are the only sites I read, primarily because they’re free AND they give good solid information. Furthermore, a lot of “crap” is taken out, i.e. a lot of the trash talk (which is fine in moderation), and only posting information that can be backed up OR there’s a very good chance it’ll be backed up.

Finally, the Yea Alabama magazines (which I hope y’all can continue for a long time) are top notch. Now, I just buy 1 preseason mag (Athlon’s, Lindy’s or something) and I wait for Yea Alabama.

Keep up the good work y’all.

by CaliforniaTide on Aug 10, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I

will say that I am a member of other blogs on SBN that cover a few of my other interests and this is by far the class of them all. And I’m not just saying that because the subject matter is Alabama football.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Aug 10, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Update on Kerry Murphy

Some good news on Murphy… he returned to Tuscaloosa today and was a part of fan day. He stayed and went through practice with the team this afternoon, and with his number being right there with Cody, those two guys were together for the autograph / meet-and-greet portion of fan day, and a ton of ’Bama fans were there wishing him well, showing him support, and extending their condolences.

I’m sure things are still very, very tough for him right now, but it seems like he is handling this situation about as well as could be reasonably expected.

by outsidethesidelines on Aug 9, 2009 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

McCarron looked great....

but I hope we don’t need him. I’d love a red shirt to get another year out of this kid because he is really spectacular. McElroy was right on, with the exception of a long pass to the south end zone that was about five yards ahead of the receiver. All told I feel great about our team after watching this afternoon. Side note – I lost an employee today, our best waiters assistant. He won a full academic scholarship to the University of Alabama. I know it’s not football, but this kid will be be as much or greater of an asset to the university as he has been to our small business; hard worker, smart, and creative. Roll Tide.

If it were up to me, I'd blitz on offense too.

by The Heffalump on Aug 9, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

First time I've heard this about McCarrron...
A.J. McCarron, for what it’s worth, has impressed with his size and arm strength

Arm Strength? Yes. Accuracy? Yes. But size? I thought his size was the #1 reason he needed to redshirt?

by zeke2029 on Aug 9, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Size....

I should have been more specific. When I meant size, I was specifically referring to his height. He was thought to be about 6’4, and a lot of people have mentioned that he was perhaps a bit taller than expected. By size I did not mean actual bulk, which he is still clearly lacking.

And honestly, as an aside, a lack of bulk should not keep him from playing. He’s got the arm strength needed, and bulk only becomes an issue when you talk about the ability of him to stay healthy for an entire season as the starter (and even then it’s somewhat arguable). Obviously, though, none of that should be a real issue with a back-up quarterback who, even in a worst-case scenario, will probably only play a few games. Don’t get me wrong, McCarron might redshirt, but I don’t think a lack of bulk will be the reason why.

by outsidethesidelines on Aug 10, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

A

lack of “bulk” was Brodie Croyle’s biggest knock, but nobody doubted his ability when given the proper protection (which unfortunately happened far less than any of us would’ve liked).

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Aug 10, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

McCarron...

…did look bigger, especially up close, than I expected. My guess is that he’s the #2 guy on the non-depth chart.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 10, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looking Back 20 Years

In 1989 the pre-season “wisdom” was that if senior QB Jeff Dunn got hurt and lightly regarded backup Gary Hollingsworth had to play, we would have a horrible year. Well of course Dunn got hurt in the second game against Kentucky and in came Hollingsworth. After his first series against the Wildcats, Hollingsworth came to the sideline and the staff asked if they could get him anything. “About 15 more pounds,” the slender (6-4 but only 185) QB replied.

We ended up 10-2 that year, and shared the SEC title. Would it be better to have G-Mac healthy? Sure. But there are still possibilities even if the worst happens. Taht’s one of the main parts of the process—having other guys who can step in. And we’re getting much closer to that.

by Watchman on Aug 10, 2009 2:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Fan Day observation...

I showed up for Fan Day at around 3PM. I had previously planned to get an autograph or two, but when I was done with my errands, the line was too long. I’ll just wait for next year, not a big deal.

Was it just me, or did Hightower seemed to be everywhere during 11-on-11? The lick he laid on Steen garned lots of “OOOOOHHHHs” in the crowd, and Steen laid on his back for a few seconds gasping for air before he got back up. McClain seemed faster as well. Obviously anything can happen, but I think Hightower and McClain will have breakout seasons respective to themselves this season. They look bigger and faster.

Lacy had a nice counter run that Atchison had misjudged the pre-snap read, and Saban got onto him real quick about it. Dre looked a lot bigger than I’d expected (even though I knew he was listed at 6’3"). Even Julio looked bigger to me.

by CaliforniaTide on Aug 10, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't wait...

…for McClain’s 3rd straight breakout season. And I hope we get a fourth.

by NiceLittleSaturday on Aug 10, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

and it really speaks volumes to Nick Saban and company’s ability to identify academic cases, but yet sign those with high-end athletic ability who also have both the raw mental ability and personal discipline needed to rectify their poor academic situations.

Nothing like getting an offer from Alabama, the ligit chance to win a championship and the competition you already know is there to get the ole motivation juices flowing.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Aug 10, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

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