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UPDATE: Week Four BlogPoll Ballot Submitted

Okay, I did some tweaking based on y'all comments, so here goes:

  • First, the delta is all screwed up this week (I submitted my draft before the week was changed so it was using week two's ballot to determine movement, and now my submitted ballot is considering my draft ballot as week three) so pay no attention to the pretty arrows.  It should be back to normal next week.
  • South Carolina is in and Georgia is up some more.
  • Texas A&M stays in and Auburn stays out, because I am a homer and given the choice between two teams that have put up huge numbers against suspect competition, I'll go with the one that employs Joe Kines.

DRAFT SUBMITTED
RankTeamDelta
1 Alabama 2
2 Florida 1
3 Texas 1
4 Cincinnati 12
5 Boise State 9
6 Virginia Tech 9
7 LSU 3
8 TCU 4
9 Ohio State 2
10 Oklahoma 3
11 Southern Cal 7
12 Georgia Tech 4
13 Houston 9
14 Iowa
15 Penn State 9
16 UCLA 7
17 California 12
18 North Carolina 1
19 Mississippi 10
20 Oklahoma State 4
21 Kansas
22 Georgia
23 Texas A&M
24 Oregon
25 Miami (Florida) 4
RankTeamDelta
1 Alabama
2 Florida
3 Texas
4 Cincinnati
5 Boise State
6 Virginia Tech
7 LSU
8 TCU
9 Ohio State
10 Oklahoma
11 Southern Cal
12 Houston 1
13 UCLA 3
14 Georgia Tech 2
15 Iowa 1
16 Penn State 1
17 North Carolina 1
18 California 1
19 Oklahoma State 1
20 Georgia 2
21 South Carolina
22 Mississippi 3
23 Kansas 2
24 Oregon
25 Texas A&M 2

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Ohio State above USC?

No South Carolina? (Only loss was a two-point loss to Georgia).

I like your Top 7.

by rugman11 on Sep 27, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

yea

the Ohio State USC situation is troublesome

USC beat Ohio State but that means Ohio States loss was more respectable than USC’s loss to Washington… It could really go either way

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by Wallacewade04 on Sep 27, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

…I feel like USC should be ahead because of the head to head win, but the loss to Washington (who got blown out by Stanford yesterday) is just inexcusable. Ohio State lost to a good Southern Cal, while Southern Cal didn’t bother to show up in Seattle. Hubris alone makes me downgrade them.

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by Todd on Sep 27, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like your ballot...

A few thoughts:

  • The top three is right and honestly no one could really complain regardless of how you stack those three
  • Virginia Tech deserves its high ranking because they easily have the most impressive resume of a one-loss team.
  • LSU at #7 is about right, but that team looks worse now than their 7-5 team did a year ago. They won’t stay there long, but you have to put them their by default because of the 4-0 record, even if all four wins came over functional retards.
  • Oklahoma should go over Ohio State.
  • Iowa is probably a tad bit too high. Yeah they beat Penn State — how that’s any different than usual? — but they still needed a miracle to get by Northern Iowa. I remain unconvinced
  • Georgia probably deserves to be higher than 22nd. They will probably be favorites against LSU this weekend for a reason. Their loss on the road to Oklahoma State isn’t that bad, and their wins over South Carolina, Arkansas, and Arizona State are pretty dang impressive. I’d have them higher than Iowa, Penn State, Cal, North Carolina, and UCLA. I’d have them no lower than 15th.

by outsidethesidelines on Sep 27, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Just on first glance...

Looks mostly spot on, which is nearly a miracle with the mess of teams to work with right now. I would swap Georgia Tech and Houston. I’m not sure I understand why Georgia Tech is where they are and Miami is where they are… for two teams that both have one loss (Miami’s to a better team, IMO), I don’t understand why Miami is thirteen spots behind a team they beat.

I agree with a couple of remarks already as well… I think Georgia should be a bit higher and South Carolina deserves a spot somewhere on here.

by CrimsonWraith on Sep 27, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Second glance at SEC teams

Based purely on resume and who’s played (and beaten who) on the SEC side of things, I personally would rank Georgia over South Carolina, South Carolina over Ole Miss. With a sloppy win over Memphis, a win over an FCS team, and how miserable they looked on Thursday, I don’t think Ole Miss deserves a slot anywhere in the Top 25 right now. Certainly not ahead of a team that beat them.. or the team that beat that team.

by CrimsonWraith on Sep 27, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Tech's loss to Miami...

…was more of a function of playing three games in twelve days. They were clearly gassed the whole game, while Miami showed their true colors yesterday against Tech (that win over FSU is starting to look more and more worthless each week).

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by Todd on Sep 27, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

And...

…not ranking South Carolina is an oversight that does need correcting. But who do I drop to put them in? Miami?

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by Todd on Sep 27, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would drop...

… either them or A&M.

A&M hasn’t played anyone, and seriously what has Miami done? They beat an FSU team that will be lucky to get to 6-6 — and really should have lost that game — and then beat Georgia Tech. Big whoop.

Neither really deserve to be ranked, really.

by outsidethesidelines on Sep 27, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

And honestly...

… if you are going to rank Texas A&M, you really ought to rank Auburn. And if anything, Auburn should be ranked ahead of A&M.

Think about it… A&M finished with a worse record than Auburn did a year ago (4-8 compared to 5-7). And say what you will about Auburn’s cupcake schedule so far — and indeed it is pure, scrumptious cupcakes — their wins over Louisiana Tech, Mississippi State, and West Virginia are far more impressive than anything A&M has done to date (blew out New Mexico, blew out UAB, and squeaked by Utah State).

I’ll be honest, I don’t think A&M has any business being ranked now. Maybe they should next week if they can beat Arkansas, but to date I see nothing but that 4-8 team from a year ago that has beaten up on some terrible non-BCS teams.

by outsidethesidelines on Sep 27, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

And...

… it should be pointed out that in the polls just released, Texas A&M received a mere one vote combined in both polls to be ranked. They didn’t receive a single vote in the AP, and the sole vote that they received in the Coach’s poll puts them 16th in terms of other unranked teams not receiving votes.

Again, there is absolutely no reason why those guys should be #23. Hell, they shouldn’t even be #33.

by outsidethesidelines on Sep 27, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would drop A&M and Kansas

I think Kansas turns some heads later this season, but so far they haven’t really done anything (Duke is their best win). Dropping those two and putting South Carolina and Auburn in makes sense.

by rugman11 on Sep 27, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aw, come on ...

“Pure scrumptious, cupcakes”? Ball St., certainly, La. Tech, it’s kinda looking that way. But Miss. St. ought to be 2-1 in the SEC this morning, and while I have no doubt you and I view West Virginia fairly differently (I think they’re on their way to 9 or 10 wins and a share of the Big East), that’s still an 8-win BCS-conference team at minimum. Neither of those teams are cupcakes at all, much less scrumptious ones, and they’ve made up half of Auburn’s schedule to date.

Sorry, Todd, but I have to point this out: LSU was unbelievably lucky to survive against the same Miss. St. team Auburn whipped by three touchdowns. Both teams have one solid nonconference win and two comfortable home wins over (ahem) lesser competition. And LSU is No. 7 while Auburn is unranked? I’m not saying you can’t have LSU ahead (the Vandy/U-dub pairing is probably better than La. Tech/WVU) or even that you have to have Auburn ranked, but I don’t see how you can look at what each of these teams have done—especially against MSU—and say one is the No. 7 team in the country and the other doesn’t belong in the top 25 at all.

Because I feel like I ought to say something nice now, I think Iowa at No. 14 is fine given that Arizona (who they pwned) just beat Oregon St. on the road.

by JCCW Jerry on Sep 27, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh well

As long as you’re admitting you’re just being biased for bias’s sake, fine.

But you know you don’t get ever claim you don’t really care about Auburn again, right? If you care enough to get this much undisguised glee out of keeping them out of your freaking BlgoPoll ballot, oh, Todd, you care. Admit it.

by JCCW Jerry on Sep 27, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's no undisguised glee here...

…just a value judgement that is admittedly affected by bias. I will also note that I voted Auburn #1 in my power poll ballot a few weeks ago when I thought they had the best performance of the week, so its not that I’m not giving credit where it is due. Like I said, the remaining undefeated BCS teams that I don’t have ranked have yet to do anything particularly impressive enough to deserve inclusion, so I’m going with TAMU based on personal bias.

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by Todd on Sep 27, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.

That is a good point. Complaint withdrawn.

Until next week.

by JCCW Jerry on Sep 27, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

And looking at the remaining unbeaten BCS teams...

…Mizzou or Wisconsin would probably be a better choice than TAMU, but whatever. If they beat/outshoot Arkansas next week then the Aggies will deserve the ranking in my book.

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by Todd on Sep 27, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I follow your argument, Jerry

You admit that Ball State is a cupcake, and that Louisiana Tech is looking that way too. So that leaves only Mississippi State and West Virginia remaining, so let’s look closer at those two.

Mississippi State did surprisingly beat Vanderbilt, and they did play close against LSU. Nevertheless, they are a 2-2 team right now, and looking at the rest of their schedule — given Houston and Georgia Tech remain on the OOC schedule — their best chance for another win this year is against Middle Tennessee State (and that’s far from a given). This is still, most likely, a 3-9 team, and 2-10 is still very much in play.

West Virginia lost to you guys, and struggled against Liberty. They are probably looking at being an 8 or 9 win team from the Big East, and given how poor that conference is, they probably would struggle just to get bowl eligible in the SEC.

And those are the two “quality” wins? No way, my friend. I hate to be overly antagonistic, but there’s a reason why you guys are 4-0 with three blowout wins and still not ranked, and that reason is the extremely easy schedule to date.

by outsidethesidelines on Sep 27, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

OTS, if your definition of a cupcake ...

includes a 9-win Big East team, I have to say think you have a very, very broad definition of “cupcake.” (It’s also a little strange to hear you claim that WVU wouldn’t be bowl-eligible in a conference whose members they’d beaten five consecutive times until two weeks ago. The list of SEC teams I’d take over the ‘Eers on a neutral field tomorrow reads as follows: ’Bama, Florida, maybe Georgia. That’s the list.)

More to the point, I didn’t say Auburn had played some rigorous Miami or Va. Tech-like schedule. But when I think “pure, scrumptious cupcakes,” I think of teams like (cough) North Texas and Florida International. Miss. St. and WVU are just not those kinds of teams, and if Auburn’s schedule has maybe been on the easy side (though neutral parties smarter than me would disagree with that), there’s plenty of teams in Todd’s top 25 (Penn St, Ole Miss, Kansas, North Carolina) that have accomplished even less.

Lastly, come on, you’re not really trying to argue that because the pollsters in their infinite wisdom have found Auburn’s schedule lacking, that I should drop the debate? Yes, there’s a reason Auburn’s not ranked, it’s called “5-7 in 2008 and unranked to begin the year and being named ‘Auburn’ instead of ‘Michigan’.”

by JCCW Jerry on Sep 27, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you are right...

… about LSU, they have done absolutely nothing special. In fact, for most of the year, they have played downright terrible, and the only reasons they are ranked so high is (1) everyone knows they have a ton of talent, and (2) they are basically just getting voted that high based on the assumption that their success from 2000 on will continue this year.

That’s a valid argument, no doubt about it. I’ve previously said that there is absolutely no way whatsoever that they are the #4 team in the country, and the fact that they are ranked that high clearly exposes a flaw in the ranking system we employ.

And, in all fairness, you guys might beat LSU. I’ll be the first to admit that and I’ll do so with no reservations or qualifications to that statement. If LSU continues to play like they have to date, and you guys do the same, it should be a very close game that could go either way.

Nevertheless, though, even with that said, all that establishes is that it is ridiculous that LSU is ranked that high to begin with. It doesn’t say that Auburn should be ranked highly (or at all), it merely says that LSU should not be ranked anywhere near they are right now, and the reasons that they are ranked that high are largely arbitrary and at any rate irrelevant to their actual quality as a football team in 2009. Simple enough.

And, frankly, the LSU ranking is largely a moot point right now. The smart money is likely on them losing to both Georgia and Florida in the coming two weeks, and after that they will be ranked very low in the top 25 (if at all), which is where they should be ranked now. They are an anomaly that is taking advantage of some of the structural shortcomings of the ranking system we have in place, and over the course of the next two weeks we should see a re-adjustment period that will ultimately value them much closer to where they really are (and frankly should have been all along).

by outsidethesidelines on Sep 27, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't have said it better

I was going to point out on the LSU/Miss State game… the game being close was more a result of LSU playing poorly rather than Mississippi State playing good. This is most clearly evidenced by the turnovers… LSU: 0, MSU: 4. MSU’s four turnovers do not include the botched field goal snap (and the resulting turnover on downs) before halftime or the turnover on downs at the end of the game. Mississippi State repeatedly handed LSU the game on the platter and LSU never took advantage of their mistakes.

Ironically enough, this reminds me of the West Virginia/Auburn game which was also much closer than I felt like it should have been.. in spite of West Virginia turning the ball over six (?! correct me if I’m wrong, I think that’s right) times, Auburn won by 11.

by CrimsonWraith on Sep 27, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah ...

I said Auburn didn’t have to be ranked. I just said LSU No. 7/Auburn unranked (as Todd has it) doesn’t make sense as a comparison.

by JCCW Jerry on Sep 27, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Admittedly...

…LSU probably isn’t a top ten team at this point. I had them at six in the preseason because I think they have the talent to be there, and then dropped them to ten after the Washington game, but honestly they just keep floating back up because everyone in front of them keeps losing while they manage to scrape by. I know “scraping by” isn’t that great of a compliment, but at this point in the season when plenty of other talented teams have managed to wet the bed I can’t really justify dropping them out of the top ten for not losing.

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by Todd on Sep 27, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...

….but knowing me, it’s get it done on Sunday or forget about it until it’s too late.

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by Todd on Sep 27, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

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