Speaking of penalties...
After being one of the least penalized teams in the country in 2008, Alabama began the 2009 season with an uncharacteristically high 10 penalties for 89 yards in the season opener against Virginia Tech. With that in mind, let's take a closer look at all of the penalties incurred and see if we can learn something moving forward. Let's start with listing all of the penalties themselves, with the specific foul and player who committed it in bold:
- Holding penalty called on James Carpenter on 2nd and 10 in the first quarter. The penalty erased a two-yard reception by Mark Ingram, and created a 2nd and 20 situation. Fortunately, though, Darius Hanks made a spectacular grab on third and long to keep the chains moving, which ultimately led to an Alabama field goal.
- False start penalty on Mike Johnson on 1st and 10 in the first quarter. The penalty put the Tide in a 1st and 15 situation, which forced Alabama to throw the football. After two incompletions, Greg McElroy was intercepted on 3rd and 15 after being hit while trying to throw.
- Personal foul penalty on Tyrone King, who made a horse collar tackle on the Virginia Tech kick returner late in the second quarter. The tackle was a bit of a desperation one made out of necessity trying to limit the big kick return. This fifteen yard penalty gave the Hokies the ball at their own 49 yard line, a drive that ended in the McClain meltdown.
- Pass interference on Marquis Johnson on a 3rd and 10 on the ensuing possession. Johnson jumped early on a hook route, and in the referee's determination he got there a tad bit too early. This gave the Hokies a 1st and 10 at the Alabama 48, where one play later Ryan Williams made the big catch on the busted coverage.
- Personal foul penalty on Rolando McClain, which negated a forced fumble by Alabama's Lorenzo Washington. The situation without the penalty would have been second and goal from just inside the Alabama 20 yard line. The penalty yardage was half the distance to the goal line, which moved the Hokies just inside the 'Bama 10.
- Personal foul penalty on Rolando McClain, the second penalty he drew for his actions on that one particular play. Again, it erased a 2nd and goal from just inside the Alabama 20, and with the penalty again being half the distance to the goal line, this moved the Hokies just inside the Alabama 5-yard line. Three players later, Ryan Williams scored to give the Hokies a 17-16 lead.
- False start penalty on Barrett Jones on 1st and 10 early in the third quarter. The penalty created a 1st and 15 situation for the Tide, but that ultimately proved to be no issue. The following play Roy Upchurch raced for a long run, thus negating any ill effects of the penalty, but unfortunately he was stripped at the end and the Hokies recovered the fumble.
- Personal foul penalty on Chris Jordan for a late hit on the Virginia Tech kick returner mid-way through the fourth quarter. Much like Tyrone King's horse collar penalty earlier in the game, this was a bit of a desperation penalty as we were trying to stop another long return, though it was not an egregious late hit. The Hokies would have had the ball at midfield, but the penalty gave them the ball at the Alabama 35.
- Holding penalty on James Carpenter mid-way through the fourth quarter. This penalty occurred right after Mark Ingram's long run -- where, incidentally, Carpenter did a great job in opening the way by making a good block, in space, on the second level against a much smaller defender -- and negated a two-yard run by Terry Grant on first down. It set up a 1st and 20, but thankfully another good run by Mark Ingram and a 19-yard pass completion from Greg McElroy to Colin Peek meant the penalty ultimately did Alabama no real harm. The drive ended with McElroy's touchdown pass to Mark Ingram.
- Delay of game on the Alabama offense, very late in the fourth quarter. This came on the last possession of the game, where Trent Richardson ran out of the clock with interior runs, and was a totally meaningless penalty.
And those were the ten penalties that Matt Austin's crew nailed the Tide for, so what can we learn from them?
First and foremost, we can see that many of the penalties didn't actually come back to harm the Tide. We overcame both of James Carpenter's holding penalties, plus the false start penalty on Barrett Jones. Likewise, the late-minute delay of game was a completely meaningless penalty that merely padded the stat line in a negative way. On the other hand, though, many of the penalties hurt us badly. The Hokies' late touchdown in the second quarter was almost entirely the result of four penalties on the Tide, and had Mike Johnson's false start penalty been averted, it's entirely possible (and perhaps likely) that we start with a run on 1st and 10 and stay out of the obvious passing situation that resulted in the McElroy interception. Perhaps not surprisingly, some of penalties hurt bad, some turned out to be harmless.
Now, moving forward, a few of the penalties are probably of little concern. The delay of game penalty, again, was meaningless in the first place, and as disturbing as Rolando McClain's meltdown was (and costly, too) it's highly unlikely that he (or anyone else on defense for that matter) does that again in the near future. Likewise, Marquis Johnson's pass interference penalty was a bit of a questionable call, and one that -- while a very slight technical violation of the rule -- was probably more the result of a trigger-happy referee than anything else. Moving forward, it's probably of little concern.
On the other hand, the penalties on the offensive line and on special teams are a major concern, and I'm afraid to say penalties that we may struggle with again moving forward. The offensive line committed four penalties -- and the two holding penalties on Carpenter do not include Drew Davis' tackle of Jason Worilds on a third and long that the Tide ultimately turned into a touchdown; a no-call that this Alabama fan readily admits that he has no clue how the referees missed -- and those penalties were the result of their struggles. Bottom line, they were committing penalties because they were having trouble handling the Hokies for much of the night, and if we struggle with an opposing front seven again, I'm afraid the penalties are going to return. We were really fortunate to largely overcome those penalties against the Hokies, not to mention the luck on the non-call on Davis, but there's no guarantee that we will be that lucky moving forward.
Likewise, moving forward, the special teams penalties are a concern. We had breakdowns in kick coverage all night long, and both Tyrone King's horse collar penalty and Chris Jordan's late hit penalty were the direct result of those players trying in desperation to avoid another long run-back for a touchdown by the Virginia Tech kick returner. Again, if you struggle severely in kick coverage, you are going to commit those type of penalties out of sheer desperation alone.
All in all, things weren't necessarily as bad as the raw numbers might tell you. Several of the penalties were of the likely non-recurring variety that we will not likely see in large volumes in the future, but there are some legitimate concerns here. If our offensive line continues to struggle like it did for much of the game against Virginia Tech, and if the kick coverage team continues its breakdowns, we are likely to continue to see penalty flags flying at a relatively high rate.
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Late Hit Call on Chris Jordan was BS
and was hardly a desperation move. The returner’s foot hit out of bounds a split second before Jordan hit him. That flag should not have been thrown.
Not only that,
but the returner was lowering his shoulder into Jordan as he went out of bounds. How was Jordan supposed to know he was headed out of bounds when he was still trying to make a move.
I was going to post this as well
On the other hand, I don’t think the MJ pass interference was as questionable as some think it was. What I remember seeing from the replay was MJ having the receiver hooked with his right hand while coming around him to bat the ball. The announcers only said he got there early, but I think it may have been the right hand that drew the flag.
I think that is right...
… again, I don’t think anyone is arguing that it wasn’t a slight, minor violation of the rule. I’m not making that argument, nor do I think anyone else is either.
My point, though, was that Virginia Tech couldn’t throw the football all night long, it was otherwise great coverage anyway, the pass may very well have not been completed had there been no contact, and at any rate even if it had he would have been tackled immediately with no real chance whatsoever of the Tech receiver getting the first down. Again, given that context, I think the penalty was really more the result of a trigger-happy referee. I’m not saying it wasn’t a technical violation of the rule, I’m just saying that most of the time a flag would probably not been thrown in that situation.
And the frustrating thing about that penalty was that it was only a three-yard penalty. Since the penalty occurred less than ten yards from the line of scrimmage, the ball was only moved to the spot of the foul (and not fifteen yards), so it really only gave the Hokies three yards. The problem, though, of course was the new set of downs.
by outsidethesidelines on Sep 9, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh...
…and I should say this is a great idea for a regular column.
I’d also to be interested to see if/how/when penalties from the opponent helped us out.
The holding
calls are of most concern to me because other refs are going to watch the film, see that we can not contain the pass rush without holding, and be looking to call it on us again.
And, if Carpenter must hold to keep from getting beat I don’t see how he can keep from getting beat. I mean it is not like he is suddenly going to get quicker feet etc. We can work on it, but it really could be a continual problem.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
i was concerned about the holding calls as well...
we have a young line that has lost some key talent. the big question for us going into this season was how well they were going to coalesce. we saw on new years day what can happen to us if that doesn’t happen.
these mistakes seemed to get better as the game progressed and it is logical that the progress this team makes over the next month or so will be in this specific area of play. i expect, if they accomplish this, we’ll see more consistent prodcution by mcelroy and more of that tasty julio jones style awesome.
coach saban said as much in his press conference monday:
"Well, I think [the offensive line] played better as the game went along. We had 230 yards rushing. Obviously our pass protection, our overall passing game, even though we made explosive plays, probably needs to continue to improve. I am sure as every one of these guys watches the film; they’ll see they have room for improvement, as we all do. I was pleased that we were able to accomplish what we did and we actually played better as the game went on, which I think is a good sign."
chris of smart football has a good article up over a EDSBS examining “what makes offenses suck” today. it’s a quality laundry list but it’s the third one you might want to give a gander – line play. and this comment in particular:
The most important coach on the staff is the line coach. I didn’t say most important assistant, I said coach. The head coach gets things organized, brings in the boosters, the OC calls the plays, but the line coach makes the whole operation go.
for us that would be this guy:

while coach saban’s restriction on assistants talking to the media limits our insight into his coaching philosophy, joe pendry has a solid resume and his track record running a quality OL at the capstone ain’t shabby at all. this recent comment from lineman barrett jones is enlightening:
"Coach Pendry makes it pretty clear what he expects you to do every day. He wants you to do full speed and he expects you to know what to do no matter what the defense does. He always says to us, ‘You know the defense doesn’t have to stand still. They can do anything they want.’ It’s our job, according to him and he’s right, to know exactly what’s going to happen.’"
so am i concerned? of course. am i confident this will be taken care of before the meat of the schedule? certainly.
by kleph on Sep 9, 2009 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
How much of the holding problem
can be attributed to VaTech’s speedy defense? We probably won’t meet a line that quick the rest of the year, and I think facing bigger, stronger defenses aren’t going to be an issue because our guys are as strong or stronger than most defenses out there. The main problem is going to be edge rushers, but to some degree that can be planned for in passing situations by putting blocking RBs, and even a FB every now and then, into the formation. Am I wrong here?
I bleed crimson and white...I puke Vol puke orange. RTR
i gotta defer to ots on this...
but comparing the performance against the speedy defense on saturday and the speedy defense on new years day might shed some light on things. when i interviewed andy staples he pointed out the loss of andre was bigger than just losing a key player – it completely disrupted the rhythm of the unit.
well, we saw a young group working as a unit against VT. inexperience would explain the penalties pointed out here. that said, their experience level will take care of itself over the course of the season, but that they have gotten that chemistry started is a key step in their progression into an elite squad.
the opposite side of the coin can be seen in pantsfucious’ excellent breakdown of the hokies key holding call (as well as it’s detailed follow-up). the observation being that the overwhelmed VT line started holding out of desperation to handle the Bama defense. that never happened to our guys in the offensive trenches. which is a very encouraging development.
Oh I think you are right...
…. in terms of speed and quickness, I have no doubt that the Hokies were the most difficult opponent we’ll face all year. The only ones who can even come close are Ole Miss and LSU — and LSU, for what it’s worth, had their DE’s abused pretty bad by Washington from what I saw — and those guys are bigger players that probably couldn’t match the Hokies raw speed and quickness off the ball.
I do think that was the biggest problem against Tech. We had trouble matching their speed off the edge in pass protection, and honestly we struggled with their lack of size and quickness off the snap on running downs. Eventually that lack of size hurt them because we were able to wear them down physically late, but I do think that speed and quickness is probably the root cause of the holding penalties and the false starts.
Now, I do think we’ve got some other issues to work through — mainly youth and lack of cohesion as a unit — but I do think that you can reasonably infer that the holding penalties and false starts will decrease moving forward as the line gets more experience and they face bigger, slower units.
On the other hand, though, we do have another concern moving forward against those units. Unlike the small-ish Hokies that we pretty much beat up over the course of four quarters, I highly doubt we can do that same thing against the likes of LSU and Ole Miss.
by outsidethesidelines on Sep 9, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
and one more thing...
espn’s chris low has a story on our OL today. and saban talks about this issue point blank:
[Virginia Tech] sort of got in the rhythm of the game and understood the speed of the game, because Virginia Tech does have a very aggressive front," Saban said. "They’re very quick, and I think early in the game, that overwhelmed us a little bit. But as the game wore on, we made some adjustments and they made some adjustments individually in what they had to do to get their job done.
the pi call on Marquis Johnson
I don’t think the ref was going to throw the flag on that one until Marquis started jumping around like a damn fool in celebration.
That bothered me as much as the blown coverage, especially when I was watching the replay and knew how badly he was going to screw up 90 seconds after jumping around like he’d won the Super Bowl, all because he was able to defend a Tyrod Taylor pass.
We had breakdowns in kick coverage all night long
Lance Thompson kicked up a hornet’s nest when he left, and some may have worried when Steele went to Clemson, but Ron Middleton is the greatest loss we’ve had of an assistant coach since Saban arrived and it’s not even close. Our kick coverage units were superb the one year he was here.

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