Astericks are for losers, not elite championship-caliber teams
by BamaReturns07 on Jan 10, 2010 12:26 AM CST
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A reprint of a post on BON. Yeah, I know, but the bullshit being feed by the media and gobbled up by the Texas fans is ridiculous, and I felt the need to post a comprehensive rebuttal of sorts to this thread, which is insane, ludicrous, and idiotic at best. The one basic fact is that football is a TEAM sport, not a one-player sport, and Texas was unprepared. To say we don't have the best team is the dumbest bullshit I have ever heard. Grow some, accept defeat, and prepare for next year. Screw our feelings as fans; what pisses me off is disrespecting our players and their accomplishments for busting their ass over the past four years to reach this plateau.
my reason for posting is that, while I thought the MODS at BON were cool, somehow that thread was FP'd, and it just makes the Texas fans look pathetic.
Texas - Your offense was based on one player. He got hurt. If you honestly think Bama would have played the same and our playcalling would have been the same had McCoy not gotten hurt, then you are thinking out of lunacy. We got a big lead, thanks in part because of McCoy’s injury, but thanks in HUGE part to our running game and our defense. Had McCoy stayed in, you don’t know how he would have preformed against our defense.
Like Saban or not, you have to admit he is a defensive mastermind. Our defensive gameplan was centered around McCoy, and we changed that drastically when he went down, along with our offensive gameplan when we jumped out to the big lead. Credit to Gilbert and Shipley, but without Shipley you guys lose big – his speed in getting behind our defense on a couple of blown coverage plays was uncanny. Certainly a fan base as knowledgeable and respected as Texas would understand it isn’t so simple as saying you would have scored more than 37 with McCoy in; one – of many – reason is that, guess what? McCoy doesn’t play defense. Maybe if your vaunted rushing defense had stopped both of our backs from gaining over 100 yards, then you would have had a better chance. Where is the excuse on that one? Did McCoy play offensive line? Could he have stopped Bama from busting up the Utah shovel and forcing the fumble at the end by blocking cody, washington, anders? No. You conveniently forget the rest of the TEAM when playing the “unfair” card.
Don’t embarass yourself by leaning on the “asterick”. The media is using that as a story, and when Texas starts using that as an excuse you come off sounding more like a Boise or Texas Tech rather than the elite program you are. We won, we were the better TEAM; if you want to use the excuse of losing one player and you lose your shot to win, then you aren’t the better TEAM, you are the decent/mediocre team with one elite player (and you guys are more talented than that). Again, one player, McCoy does not stop Bama’s rushing attack or defensive pressure. One veteran Qb and one veteran WR does not a championship team make.
I think UT’s biggest problem has been pointed out in this thread. You guys blew so many teams out this year, yet your backup had so little experience. That is not Bama’s fault, that is your coaching staff’s fault. Mack Brown based his gameplan on McCoy, and while he was preaching fun and relaxation prior to the game, you could see the distress on his face when Colt went out.
Yes, as a Bama fan I am completely selfish and protective of my feeling of pride, and it overreaches, certainly, to passion and the aspect of me coming into this thread and reading what I hoped would be insightful feedback from a respected fanbase, but has turned into a few guys posting over and over again making excuses for the loss. But what is even more irritating is that you guys are feeding the media BS about the “asterick”. This not only takes away from what our kids accomplished but will feed a (probably) incorrect perception of your fan base when the media chooses to reference the “excuse makers” in Austin.
Bottom line, no one knows what would have happened if McCoy wasn’t hurt. Your offense probably would have been better, but, again, you never know how McCoy would have handled our defensive pressure all game and the schemes we developed for him. What would have been the excuse then?
Finally – it was a completely legal hit. EVERY expert, coach, etc. has confirmed that; hell, I could tell on the first replay. And this was the biggest game in college football with the most on the line; man up and play defense! We had a lot of backups in on the line and at skill (Richardson). It is highly ironic to see Texas fans, with the “#1” defense in the country (which we all know is incorrect at this point) complain about a score being run up on them by a “terrible” Bama offense that obviously and unabashedly went completely conservative after the half. amiright? Seriously, what would you have done if we had gotten Julio or Maze involved in the game at all?
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Good points.......
Did anyone listen? We already know that sophisticated fans like Orangeblood get it, but I suspect a fair number over a BON are still crying in their beer. Still, I ain’t going over there.
You can't win. You can't break even. You can't get out of the game.
It's really just a few hard heads
even the ones that jump out and agree at first know it’s ridiculous, they are just getting out some steam. But there are a few who believe they were robbed because we didn’t “even the playing field”. Guess we should have pulled our Defense off the field to allow them to get back in the game. We suck.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
I think most of us don't feel we got robbed of a MNC
I was worried before the game, the Tide was and is an amazing team. And congrats on that.
What we feel robbed of is a chance to see one of the fiercest competitors we’ve ever seen on the biggest stage. Win or lose, most of us wanted it for him as much as for ourselves. And yes, football is a team sport, but it was Colt’s team. Period.
So, I fully understand your feelings, but idiots are idiots. If you’re going to get pissed off by everything they say, you’re going to be pretty miserable. Like I said, the Tide is an excellent team, full of excellent players. Just because many of us feel like we missed out on the game we had been waiting four years to see (and some don’t recognize that the Tide is great), doesn’t take away from that.
A logical questions is....
If Colt gets knocked out of the game after just 5 plays, how is he ever going to survive in the NFL?
"When you give a Gatorade bath, you're not suppose to hit the coach in the head with the bucket !" - Saban
What does it matter how many plays into the game he got injured?
by billycthulhu on Jan 10, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
more to the point
How is getting injured a criteria for how good you will be in the NFL? I mean, Peyton Manning got injured his final year and turned out to be a total bust, right?
by billycthulhu on Jan 11, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
And what does that have to do with my point?
Which was, if I need remind you, that you guys should actually try to enjoy your victory instead of complaining that Texas fans haven’t bowed at the feet of the Bama gods. Maybe you guys think that winning includes having the opposing team (or fans, in this case) S your collective D. Ain’t going to happen. You won. Congratulations, and I mean that sincerely. Your team was damn good.
When I played sports, we lined up and gave high-fives and went on our merry way. Don’t expect anything other than a high-five, pal.
However, you want to belittle our players? You can go do something that I won’t say because I don’t want to get banned.
dude
let em think whatever they want and have whatever opinion they want about any of this, responding is just going to incite anger and blah blah blah – these are the steps of grieving and we should probably let them have it, I think they’re somewhere between anger and denial right now
the polls (the only opinion that matters) all put Bama at number one and 2009 is over so ya’ll have fun talking about all the external crap that you think should be considered important and if they can bang their heads against their computer screens till they go blind but none of that shits gunna change
if it makes you feel better, go for it
we’re busy making room in the trophy case
January 7th, 2010: the day I went from being a delusional obnoxious Alabama fan to being an obnoxious Alabama fan
Yeah I know
but YOU of all people should know how easy it is to get sucked into these things…lol
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Jan 10, 2010 1:39 AM CST up reply actions
just make jokes about communism and Fred Durst
always works for me
January 7th, 2010: the day I went from being a delusional obnoxious Alabama fan to being an obnoxious Alabama fan
by Wallacewade04 on Jan 10, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
That "what might have been" post is fucking pathetic
But, I agree that you should just let ‘em wallow in their own sad feces. Believe me, having left Austin under the worst circumstances, I think that crappy city is getting just what it deserves and I wanna rub their arrogant noses in it. But I won’t. I still have a lot of friends in burnt orange and I imagine I’d feel as shit-sick as they do now.
"That rug really tied the room together."
I would too
but I wouldn’t sit around and make excuses.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Jan 10, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Word
Roll Tide.
"That rug really tied the room together."
by pantsfucious on Jan 10, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
A boils down to this.
Brown played McCoy almost every down this year for one reason- to pile on stats and win him the Heisman. When he went down they were ill prepared. So for his poor strategy Brown got no Heisman and no NC throphy.
Notice when our Heisman winner did get hurt against Auburn and then against Texas we just went on and won. Why? Because at Bama it is never about one guy, not even our QB. And if McElroy had not been able to go because of cracked ribs AJ MaCarron was going to come in and win the game.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.
Congrats to you and Tide Nation, Returns.
I don’t think Texas fans are discounting Bama’s MNC win. We are just dealing with a painful loss. We are not even asking for anyone’s take, outside our own crew, on how we are dealing with this.
In my experience, most fans celebrate wins by hanging with their own and whoopng it up, getting drunk together, that sort of thing. I sense, however, that your type gets his kicks by beating up little children and poor, defensless women after your 2nd drink. Am I right? Kinda the Stanley Kowalski type-A POS.
Well, you invited a whole nation of shit-kick to your site with your implied “doubt” of us calling you out on your own turf. I hope this is the first of many volleys coming your way. You might want to think about leaving us the hell alone for awhile. You will be held responsible for the possible consequences of your posting actions.
"We don't freestyle Texas Fight, big boy." - Coach Brown
TXStampede--thanks for the lecture
Thanks for letting us know we should leave you alone with your misery by coming to our site and trolling our fan board. I’ve been nothing but positive towards Texas fans. They had a great team, and we just had a better one. It seems that no one can allow Bama fans to enjoy our win.
by bamagirlinsocal on Jan 10, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
This was not for you, SOCAL.
Or anyone other than Bamareturns. I agree the better team won Thursday night. Never said anything to the contrary.
I congratulate the team and wish you all the best in your victory. Celebrate the days and nights away for a perfect season. OK by me.
But I will not stand by and allow challenges on our board to go unanswered. Some time you just have to “man-up” and deal with issues at face value.
Bamareturns has crossed the line and I’m not going to let that go unchallenged. Would you? Just like s/he feels certain BON posters have crossed the line. S/he is also of the mind to not let it go.
I get it. Mano-a-mano. If a board flame is what s/he wants then let’s go.
"We don't freestyle Texas Fight, big boy." - Coach Brown
lol
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Jan 10, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
You act like I was the only one over there
and I was never rude to you guys, but you opened up the discussion by you guys making comments calling Bama out. Whatever your personal vendetta against me is, well, that’s your problem. You guys need to chill out. I didn’t come over there attacking you guys. Get off your high horse, hypocrite, and learn to debate in a mature way rather than get your feelings on your ass because someone dared challenge your statements.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Jan 10, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Got it. You are right. Need to get off high horse.
Looking for blood in the wrong way. Sincere apologies to you for my comments. They were uncalled for and not in keeping with SBN and RBR policy. I was wrong to comment in that manner. The issue I had with your commentary was your continuing debate for something that will never happen….the what if.
That and your relentless prodding comments, especially the one “doubting” our willingness to play in your yard.
I will leave you with a fine example of your mature debate skills in response to an inciteful RBR fanpost comment from a Texas fan.
At Alabama, we play through our injuries
not cry like a baby when a). we get tackled for the first time, or b) get intercepted.
McElroy is more of a man than McCoy + Gilbert.
Go back to Texas, and you don’t look like a steer to me!
This is what I don’t get about you, Returns. On the one hand you grandstand about mature debate, then on the other hand you prove unable to provide as such yourself. Who is the hypocrite?
Now, if you had replied something like, "Well, GMac sucked it up, hasn’t lost a game as a starting QB in HS or college, and is now the proud owner of a Crystal Ball. These things are something neither Colt McBoy (….I would even give you that one) nor Gilbert have accomplished", I might be inclined to withhold criticism.
So this is why I’m here to “debate” in a mature and civil manner.
"We don't freestyle Texas Fight, big boy." - Coach Brown
Again, that last line of that comment was directed at the flamer who started this on our site
I also qualified the rest of the statements on BON, and since you seem to be adept at looking up my quotes, knock yourself out. No need to repeat.
The only time I was “unable to provide mature debate” were my smartass responses to flame-baiters on your site. If you want to talk about not getting someone, or contradictory statements, mention how you want to discuss things civilly until your opinion is not agreed with. You want to call me a troll, but in fact you are doing exactly the same but hiding behind your posts.
As for the GMac comment, I stated clearly that McCoy was a better QB; if I didn’t do it sufficiently, here it is. My statement was tongue in cheek that McElroy > McCoy + Gilbert because McCoy got hurt, and McElroy won a BCS NC as a starting QB; Colt did not. Is that an incorrect statement? You guys took that personally for what reason? Do we need to make comments with kid gloves on, or are do we all have our big boy britches pulled up? Your argument is weak, and the whole point of you getting upset at me and posting on here to “get back” at me is ridiculous and quite immature; had your fellow posters, and, frankly, you as well, not attacked RBR posters on SBN, most of whom attempted to discuss civily, this would have never been an issue.
So, yeah, get off your high horse.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Jan 11, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Here you go, hypocrite
Posted before the game:
WAR EAGLE!
We will be representing Auburn at our tailgate with this 3×7 banner on top of truck.
Posted on “the thread”:
Wow. Did I just read this?
If you are looking to spark a response then you came to the right place.
Dude, you really should rethink this kind of post on SBN. You are EXACTLY the kind of shit-hole, Bama fuck, I saw at the game. Go back to the swamp, back-water, church burning, trailer park you hail from. This here board is for big-boys and girls who are here to commiserate a loss. The loss of a championship game and the loss of an all-time favorite player.
So just know that Longhorn karma can be painful. Get ready for some kind of hardship coming your way.
BTW, I’m sure your momma forgot to learn you how to wipe.
WAR EAGLE, you fuck.
Exactly. Now, seriously, shut the hell up.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Jan 11, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
To clarify
Wow. Did I just read this?
If you are looking to spark a response then you came to the right place.
Dude, you really should rethink this kind of post on SBN. You are EXACTLY the kind of shit-hole, Bama fuck, I saw at the game. Go back to the swamp, back-water, church burning, trailer park you hail from. This here board is for big-boys and girls who are here to commiserate a loss. The loss of a championship game and the loss of an all-time favorite player.
So just know that Longhorn karma can be painful. Get ready for some kind of hardship coming your way.
BTW, I’m sure your momma forgot to learn you how to wipe.
WAR EAGLE, you fuck.
Was an originally post by Stampede over at BON (not me, but I forgot to quote). My response to a known troll wasn’t even close to this garbage.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Jan 11, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
WOW! Just. Wow.
Beat Auburn? CHECK. 12-0 regular season? CHECK. Beat the #1 Gators for the SECCG? CHECK. Ingram wins the Heisman? CHECK. Tide defeats the Longhorns for the BCS Championship? CHECK!
Ok, sorry to misinterpret
I’m a girl, so I don’t “man up.” I can’t speak for Bamareturns. I don’t think anyone should be going on ya’ll’s site and messing with you. That would be like kicking someone when they are down. I’m sure most Texas fans are smart enough to know that they lost and no asterisk will ever change that. We were so grateful to have a team with such a proud tradition as our opponent in such an important game!
by bamagirlinsocal on Jan 10, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
meh... I'll join to clarify
First off, if you read the title of the post, you find out that the point of the article is The Folly of “What Might Have Been,” not “OMG UT WUZ SO MUCH BETTER THAN BAMA WE ONLY LOST CUZ OF CHEAP SHOT”
The post was not pathetic, just read the following excerpts:
The Alabama Crimson Tide are the 2009 BCS National Champions. They deserve no asterisk nor any second guessing of their credentials as champions. They won according to the rules for winning and there is nothing else to be said on that front. They are the champions and I congratulate them on winning every single game they played this year against some tough competition to accomplish that feat.
In history there are no control groups. There is no one to tell us what might have been. We weep over the might have been, but there is no might have been. There never was.
If Colt plays and we score TDs on those first two Alabama turnovers, then maybe Alabama takes off the gloves and counterpunches the Horns with something they weren’t ready for. Maybe Alabama blows Texas out of the Rose Bowl and sets the program back in the minds of the nation the way Florida’s beat-down of Ohio State in the national championship game did to the Buckeye program. For the first five minutes before Colt got hurt, it certainly didn’t look like that would happen, but who’s to say what might have been? There’s no such thing.
We as Texas fans cannot claim that we would have won that game had Colt been able to play. We can run through a million scenarios in our heads of how the game might have played out differently and ultimately gone in our favor, but none of them did play out. Only one history can unfold, and unfortunately that one developed into an Alabama national championship. Consequently, as sincerely as I believe that Texas had the better team and would have won with Colt McCoy at quarterback, I can’t in good conscience convince myself that it is a fact because it didn’t happen. What might have been is not what was.
The post was not about UT making excuses, it was about accepting what happened and realizing that the “what ifs” in life are never certain.
One more thing
I just read my post and wanted to make sure you understood that I don’t think the hit that knocked Colt out was a cheap shot. It was a normal hit that just had unfortunate consequences. I’m sure that even diehard Alabama fans wish that Colt had been healthy for the whole game, so that the Tide could prove they were, without a doubt, the best team on the field.
I think most of us realize that
I was disappointed that McCoy went down so early (or at all, of course), and I immediately knew that these sorts of debates would go on after the game. All the people around me in my section were trying to keep up to date on his injury and I was glad to know he was okay.
Unfortunately, injuries are part of the sport. We had some of our own, and while none were as big as a game-ending one against a star QB, I think most Alabama fans realize that it’s only natural to lament the loss of your star QB in such a huge game, and that most Texas fans realize that the “what if”s aren’t as important as what actually happened. Of course every fan base has a few trollers, and of course those are usually some of the loudest voices in the crowd. I met some annoying Texas fans in Pasadena and I have absolutely no doubt that there were annoying Alabama fans as well, but we both know that both teams have great tradition and class.
I hope we play y’all again soon. I’d like more chances to try and even that 1-7-1 series record.
by billycthulhu on Jan 10, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I know most realize that,
but I just don’t understand why someone would make a post that basically agrees with the one on BON, and then try to bash BON for posting it. At some point you just have to ignore the trolls and pass over the stupid comments.
For me it was the backhandedness of the post
“there are no asterisks, BUT we would have won if McCoy had been in”, which was what a lot of posters stated.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Jan 11, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Congrats guys!
Enjoy the crystal ball as long as you can. i know i sure as hell did in 2005, and i enjoyed every minute. I’m not a fan of losing, but if i had to choose, i’d much rather lose to a team with so much class and history. The reason why you have some UT fans coming over here and posting trash, is because they are upset and annoyed to death by the 1000’s of “Bama” fans who just now got an account on SBN to troll and flame over at BON. i apologize for some of the comments made here and i can assure you that they are not directed to the intelligent ones over here at RBR, but rather those 12 year old kids who stayed home from school this week. In no way is this right, however, i want you to understand where some of these UT fans are coming from.
Also, the post made by BZ over at BON is in NO way made to be disrespectful. If it was taken that way, I’m sorry about that. BZ is one of our best authors when he’s not at law school or acting.
Thanks, and Hook em!
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
I understand why you're mad at them
but I don’t think posting over here will do much good, since I really don’t recognize any of the Bama trollers who have been hounding you guys. Maybe you should look for them on Crimson & Cream or 12th Man?
by billycthulhu on Jan 10, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not mad
I’m not the one I’m referencing. I can care less.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
Word
Maybe some of us get more riled up than others. This is why I have to refrain from looking at Youtube comments (other than the fact that they’re just stupid all around)
by billycthulhu on Jan 10, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
How long are Texas fans...
going to be hanging around RBR suckling off our success. They don’t owe us any justification as to why they lost, we don’t care. Texas just got caught up in the process.
"When you give a Gatorade bath, you're not suppose to hit the coach in the head with the bucket !" - Saban
Is this still going on?
Debating is only fun when it works two ways, not when people get their ass on their shoulders and get super sensitive to comments and opinions while talking trash about the other team.
Ok, BON posters that fit the above description, I bow down to your superior skills. YOU WIN TEH INTERNETZ! Have fun, I’m done with these shenanigans.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
If that helps you deal.....
…more power to you. I do agree that it’s time to stop arguing about it. Bama has the trophy and Texas doesn’t. ’Nuff said.
Auburn-Where almost happens.
Nailed it right on the head.
’’When he went down they were ill prepared. So for his poor strategy Brown got no Heisman and no NC throphy.
Notice when our Heisman winner did get hurt against Auburn and then against Texas we just went on and won. Why? Because at Bama it is never about one guy, not even our QB. And if McElroy had not been able to go because of cracked ribs AJ MaCarron was going to come in and win the game.
I hate the NCAA more than UT & AU combined. At least with UT & AU you got a fighting chance.’’
by 5026 on Jan 10, 2010 12:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It all boils down to preparation,and recruiting the best players.And you best believe AJ or Star would come in fired up and ready to go.
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